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and he was. he did everything everyone else did. >> for three days of his life he was in a world he didn't have to think about it. he was happy helping people. >> reporter: in fact, ramon was in no pain. >> he's a police officer first and then it's cancer. >> reporter: his wife of 13 years however was concerned. he posted this picture on the murky water to let her know he was all right. >> i was worried increasing-wise, didn't know how it would affect him, but at the same time, there was no way i could hold him back. >> reporter: rescuing others from the brink while in a battle for his own life. cnn, houston. >> we're live in the cnn "newsroom." top of the hour. great to have you with us. this time tomorrow, the first person could be in custody in the russia investigation, result of 5 months of work by special
counsel, robert mueller. while there is no comment from the white house on these pending indictments, the president did have quite a few things to say today. he tweeted, all of this when the republicans are making their big push for historic tax cuts and reform. is this incidental? not. and he put out a barrage of tweets about hillary clinton and collusion. >> contrary to what many have suggested the president's comments today are related to the activities of the special counsel with whom he continues to cooperate. >> i'll start with you, you've been working your sources. what are we to expect tomorrow? >> all indications at this point are we should expect something
tomorrow, two things, law enforcement action, either surrenders or arrests by the fbi or people surrendering to the fbi here in washington, d.c., and at some point later on, there will be court activity, arraignment and presentment and hopefully, we hope, indictments will be unsealed at that point. all indications at this point to us, based on several people we've talked to, it appears something will happen tomorrow. again, we don't know specifically what that is or who's going to be charged or what the charges are because the indictments remain sealed. again, every indication something will happen tomorrow. >> former u.s. attorney says they will be paying very close attention how president trump reacts to these charges. listen. >> i would look for a couple things. one, whether donald trump has reaction and talks in a way that could be used against him in the future because bob mueller would
do that. the second thing i would do is see if the president of the united states is sending some kind of message to the potential defendant or other witnesses. that's in two categories. one, is he sending a message of intimidation in some way through himself or his cohorts suggesting people should not be talking and people should keep their mouths shut, which happens in life from time-to-time. the second thing is whether or not he sends a message of reassurance. >> i want to get your legal perspective on this. how prarcht is it to watch how trump reacts to this? >> i think it's very important. he says inappropriate things all the time. you wake up in the morning, there are three tweets from him usually. you can be sure once this arrest goes down he will probably say something relevant to it. he's off-the-cuff many times. he's certainly not running it by a lawyer doing it at 7:00 in the morning. i think preet's point is a good one. you have to look to that.
there's something bizarre going on here on the basis of shimone's reporting. i've surrendered clients in similar cases. usually when it's a voluntary surrender, you take your client into the fbi office and get him in real early so he can be fingerprinted or processed and in front of the magistrate and get bail set so he doesn't have to spend the night in jail. if it's manafort or flynn, people represented by counsel, they would have worked this voluntary surrender out a while ago. >> what does it tell you? >> it says maybe we are in for a surprise tomorrow. maybe it's not manafort and flynn, maybe somebody related to them involved in their businesses. i'm saying something doesn't ring right here about this arrest process. >> the president would tell you
what's not right, it's the wrong person being indicted. in his mind, it should be an investigation into the actions of hillary clinton and the democrats, what he's been tweeting about all day. in fact the "wall street journal" editorial board wrote this, since the "washington post" revealed tuesday the hillary clinton campaign and democratic national committee jointly paid for the infamous dossier full of russian disinformation about donald trump, strip out the middlemen and it appears that democrats paid for russians to compile wide allegations about a u.s. presidential candidate. did someone say collusion? >> any evidence of collusion they're referring there? >> i think you can say democrats have lost their high ground on this and so has trump because they were both involved in dealing with the russians and trying to buy opposition research to her, you know, opposition candidates. >> there is a difference between
working with a private citizen, christopher steel, the person who went out to collect information in the dossier, a british citizen. >> yes. >> than it is to work with somebody you know part of the russian government. >> there is a difference, although trump supporters would say steel was a british spy. that's a foreign country, you're working with a foreign country to influence an american election. admittedly we haven't had a war with the british since 1812, nonetheless, that's how trump supporters would characterize that. the thing that gets me about trump in all this nonsense, if trump wants hillary clinton investigated, guess who's the head of the fbi? trump. guess who's the head of the justice department. all he has to do is pick up the phone, call jeff sessions and say, i order you to commence an investigation of hillary clinton. he's the boss of the justice department. >> let me ask, then, what would
be the strategy of these tweets or trump surrogate. >> actually, the president shouldn't be picking up the phone to tell the justice department who to prosecute. that's been one of the problems as we saw his attempts to interfere with the prosecution of michael flynn and pardon of joe arpaio. that would not be appropriate for the president of the united states to do. i think it's quite obvious what the president is doing. for whatever reason he feels under the gun, he feels the walls are closing in. that statement by his lawyer you read at the beginning of the show, ana, it's sort of like saying, i'm not thinking about pink elephants, not thinking about the possibility there may be indictments. it's very hard to otherwise explain his comments today and some of them obviously went directly to this issue. i think he is doing what he always does, throw a lot of dirt in the air, hope people say, oh, well, what about -- and they're off to the races with hillary
clinton. in fact, nothing concerning hillary clinton is relevant any longer. she's not president of the united states although you wouldn't know it from watching another network. she is not in the presidency. whatever she did or didn't do, frankly, most of it has been investigated and debunked, has nothing to do with this president. we're looking at what he and his colleagues did during the election. he can rant all he wants. bob mueller will not be thrown off by his nonsense and tweets. >> shimone, you talked to justice department regularly, have they raised concerns the president may try to fire more? >> we talked to legal experts in washington, d.c., there's always that concern. the justice department officials there stayed clear of the bob mueller investigation. the only person at this department that can speak about it is the deputy attorney general, bob rosenstein overseeing bob muller and his
team. he was the one who appointed him as special council. mueller. they are not permitted to talk about anything in this investigation or mueller. we have stories there's concern the white house, the president is interfering in some investigations or perhaps putting pressure on the department of justice for action or maybe making inquiries that he shouldn't. that certainly has been a concern throughout, but nothing that people have openly expressed to us. >> jennifer, chris christie had this warning for mueller's target. >> i think anybody who has been advised by the special counsel's office they're a target in the investigation, which i'm sure he has done to those people who are, should be concerned. >> if these indictments aren't for even smaller fish like and associate of a trump associate, is that good for the president? would it help support his
assertion that this investigation is a witch hunt? >> no. we're at the very beginning of this investigation in a way. it seems like we've been living with it for a long time. in prosecutorial terms, this is a very short period of time. what is significant is he's beginning to issue one or more indictments this early in the process. the normal process is you go after the little fish, see if you can cough up someone bigger, bring those people and see if they will cough up someone even bigger and work your way up the chain. i think there is nothing good here for the white house. you've seen their reaction, which is near hysteria over the last 24, 48 hours. >> paul, do you agree? >> i do agree. there's bad news for the president in this. when we look at the manafort investigation, manafort's business was being investigated, things he did before he was even involved in the trump campaign wound up being part of the investigation when they did the
no-knock raid on his house. i think what that suggests is the trump business empire may eventually fall under the microscope of mueller, as he starts looking at things that arise out of this investigation. that's where i think trump's achilles heel is. i think it will be very difficult to make out this collusion charge with the russians. frankly, i think the russians are too smart to collude with the trump campaign, because they will think these people would leave fingerprints all over the evidence. i think the russians just wouldn't do it. trump's real e sposure may be with the trump business empire. >> here's something i'm still trying to understand in temps of process. if you're a shoplifter, the police are called, they arrest you right away. right now, we're left speculating and left with all this suspense because we know these charges were filed and somebody is going to be taken into custody a couple days ago, yet that hasn't happened yet. are they getting special treatment.
you talked about the fact it seems like there's a little bit of something that's not normal going on. >> the way these usually work out in white collar investigations, they've had lawyers dealing with the special prosecutor all along. they would call up -- the special prosecutor would say, bring manafort in. manafort would come in. this is being handle like you handle a drug dealer who's on the run and afraid once the indictment is announced, he will flee the jurisdiction or kill the witnesses against him. you seal the indictment and send the police out to surprise him. that's how they're handling apparently this arrest if the cops are out looking to make an arrest. that's very unusual in a white collar criminal case. that's why i say, i don't know. it feels we will be a little surprised by what happens. >> at this point, is it possible anyone being charged may still
not know it? >> absolutely. they may not know until the morning when the fbi comes knocking on their door at 6:00 a.m. that may be their first indication. absolutely. >> jennifer, there have been called this week from some republican lawmakers for mueller to resign. what kind of impact would that have? what would the chain reaction be if the president were to take some kind of action to set that up? >> i think it would be highly unweiu unwise to do that. there would be calls for impeachment. a clear sign he's using his powers as president to protect himself. republicans would certainly be under the gun to take serious action. democrats certainly would be. frankly, i'm surprised you read the editorials in the "wall street journal." i'm surprised a legitimate paper like the "wall street journal" would call for such a thing. very bad idea. and for the republicans to say that out loud, don't even think
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♪ stare with me into the abyss ( ♪ ) so as robert mueller's investigation of russian meddling enters a new phase, the republicans seem eager to finish their investigation. expecting one to end by early next year. and in charge of the house committee, the chairman saying he has no interest in prolonging the investigation one second than longer. joining us now is a democratic
member of the house. mike quigley. thanks for joining us. you said the public would want you to go full throttle if they had seen what you had seen during the house investigation into russia's meddling. we now have the indictment pending from the mueller probe. have you seen anything worthy of an indictment? >> i believe there is evidence of collusion. i believe that there are trump associates who obviously, we know many, that reached out to russians, roger stone, alexander nicks, the president's son. what was his expression, if that's what it is, i love it. peter miller, the list goes on. mr. kushner. these are at least five examples, before, during and after the election, with trump associates reaching out to the russians to work on something obviously against hillary clinton. so i think i've seen enough for
the investigation to move forward. it's obvious the republicans don't like the investigation because it's embarrassing, makes them look bad and frankly, puts many of the people in the trump world at legal risk, as we're seeing tomorrow. >> as i mentioned, at the top offing this segment, republicans in both the house and senate have talked about a swift conclusion to their congressional investigation. now, with this indictment, is that dough to impact anything as far as your committee goes? >> look, i think our committee should continue the investigation no longer than it should take or no shorter. when people ask me, however, are you connecting the dots? the fact of the matter is, as we find more dots, more and more dots become evident. once you interview one person it becomes obvious you should interview three others. the watergate investigation took over a year. the democrats were in control of the house and senate.
this is a far more complicated investigation than watergate. obviously because it involves a foreign counterpart to it, but it is probably calculus to watergate's algebra. this is something that strikes at the very heart of our democracy. let's remember boards of election were hacked into, the very core of the credibility of our elections is in danger. you can easily imagine if you're a hard core republican, that the tables could have been turned, that the russians could have been trying to target a republican candidate to benefit a democrat. if you believe in democracy it shouldn't matter who was targeted. the fact is the democratic process was targeted. get past the partisan part. this isn't benghazi part two, this is something we should all take a look at because it's so critical to our very core. >> you brought up the partisan nature of what i-appears to be
the house investigation, people have criticized your committee's politicizing the russian investigation. how confident should the public be or how can you expect the public to be confident with any conclusions that come from your committee? >> look, i think there's a core group of democrats and republicans trying to follow the facts to get to the truth wherever it may be. i think mr. connoway from texas is trying to do that from the republican side. it isn't easy when the president has called it a witch hunt and denied the consensus the russians hacked into the process to help one candidate over another. by the way, shortly there after said president obama trumped -- wiretapped trump tower, which is obviously an outright lie, something he read on breitbart
and talked about. that is a series of long series to distribute the way and eventually, i believe, evidence of obstruction, the fact he directed mr. comey to not investigate general flynn, that he fired him for that russian thing. these aren't small matters. he's simply hoping if there's a shiny enough object out there the american public will help his 38% approval rating. >> the head of the democratic campaign and debbie wasserman-schultz beth say they had no idea the clinton campaign was funding the president's connections to russia. we learned that this week. do you buy they had no idea about it? >> i have no idea. i think what we knew from all along was what the original part of the dossier was paid for by a
republican think tank and republican candidate. apparently, that was taken over by democratic interests. the fact of the matter. >> hold your thought for one second. we actually did confirm that republican entity was the washington "free beacon," they are a conservative media outlet. they say they initially funded some research -- opposition research into then candidate trump. wanted to get that out there because that is new information we got. >> sure. shock and surprise, people do opposition research on their opponents. the fact of the matter is the crux of what came out of that dossier is what the intelligence community has reached a consensus on. and the dossier did it first, that the russians attacked our democratic process to help the trump campaign and to hurt the hillary clinton campaign. that's the most important thing to come out of it. the bottom line is we're not investigating that as a committee, we're investigating
four prongs of what took place. what did the russians do, how did they do it? how do we prevent it from happening in the future? what about the leaks that are taking place. not is the dossier correct or not? the fact of the matter is a large part of it is correct. >> some of it hasn't been corroborated. intelligence officials also said it isn't just the dossier that has given evidence in russia's involvement in the election. that aside, you could eliminate the dossier and they would still be doing the investigation. thank you so much for your time, congressman quigley. coming up, former president george h.w. bush set to make a public appearance amid a groping scandal, live in the "newsroom." business has been great.
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first public appearance since facing groping allegations. >> reporter: president george h.w. bush, facing allegations from at least three women who say he touched them inappropriately. the accusers, one of whom asked to remain anonymous sharing remarkably similar stories about the president touching them during photo-ops. one actress met him last year during a photo in maine. >> there was a photo-op and he came back to take a pictures with a group of girls. he was in a wheelchair and he reached his hand around and said to the group, do you know who my favorite magician is? we said, no, who? he said david copperfield. at that moment i felt him grab my behind. >> in a now deleted post on instagram, actress heather lynn wrote that push touched her inappropriately a few years ago as they were posing for this
photograph. while lynn did not get into the specifics of the incident she referred to it as a sexual assault. he didn't shake my hand, he touched me from behind his wheelchair with his wife, barbara bush by his side, and told me a dirty joke and all the while being photographed touched me again. a third woman who wished to be anonymous said she met him at an event in houston in 2015. she said he squeezed her behind a couple of times. it was unmistakable. it was not just a pat, a serious squeeze. >> spokesman, jim mcgraph acknowledged the incidents citing the president's age and physical limitations. to try to put people at ease, the president routinely tells the same joke and on occasion he has patted women's rears in what he intended to be a good natured manner. some have seen it as innocent, others clearly view it as inappropriate. to anyone he has offended,
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thinks that's an excuse. >> do you think his age excuses it? >> no. i don't think it excuses it. for us to make progress and reach the true equality we deserve to have we need to stop making excuses and letting that be okay. >> athena jones, cnn, new york. out in the "newsroom," president trump says the media is not giving him a very fair shake. hear him make his own case next. people don't understand, i went to an ivy league college, i was a nice student. i did very well. i'm a very intelligent person. . get 4 unlimited lines for just $40 bucks each. taxes and fees included. and now netflix included.
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i did very well. i'm a very intelligent person. the fact is, i really believe -- i think the press creates a different image of donald trump than the real person. >> president trump making the case he is a good person, and that we in the media are creating a less than flattering image of him. you make the call. here's a look back at some of the president's most civil moments. >> little marco, they hate him in florida. we call him lying ted. elizabeth warren is terrible. in the senate everybody hates it. you can have pocohantas. >> i love the old days, you know what they would do to a guy like this? be carried out on a stretcher. >> when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything.
>> do whatever you want. >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> do anything. >> sir, with all due respect, that's the argument of a 5-year-old. >> i didn't start it. >> you would say that. >> joining us now, cnn senior media correspondent host of reliable sources, that was a walk down memory lane there. is the media creating a more bombastic version of trump or reflecting him? >> as the white house office likes to say, you just have to look to him himself for his uncivil comments like michael more this weekend. it's worth remembering some of those comments, i sometimes forgot what happened on the campaign trail or after. if you're a trump supporter or
detract tore, watch his full speeches once in a while and not getting the sound bites to make sure he's not taken out of context. i think his interview recently, i don't know if i'd call it an interview, his conversation with lou dobbs was receiling. it made trump fans like him even more and detractors more critical. was revealing. >> and we have sound bites of that interview he talked about fake news and actually bragged about creating fake news. watch. >> i really started this whole fake news thing. they turned it around and calling stories put out by facebook fake. they're fake. what could be more fake than cbs and nbc and abc and cnn, you look at some of these stories, you look at the level of approval of media of general media, if you look at it from the day i started running to now, i'm so proud that i have been able to convince people how fake it is because it has taken
a nosedive. >> the president said he created that term, "fake news." >> you say he has it backwards. >> he does. the term "fake news" was originally used a couple years ago prior to election day to describe stories designed to deceive you. totally bogus stories. you could say it was a fake comment. a responsible president would try to support media and encourage accurate information and discourage misinformation. that's not president trump's style. >> on friday night when the news was broken about the investigation, how they handle the news did vary. it goes to show where you get the news does matter. here's an example. that same night, fox's sean hannity tweeted, "when will hillary clinton be indicted."
and judge jeanine said, lock her up. that's what i said, i actually said it, lock her up. >> to some degree there's a fog created by the sean hannitys of the world. judge jeanine was trying to link her to the dossier involving russia. there's been an attempt to change the subject by trump media allies. we will see more tomorrow if there are indictments or moves on the robert mueller investigation. we will see an attempt to confuse the issue and suggest it's the dems that need to be investigated. president trump is hearing it on fox news and repeating it on twitter. this is why there's checks and balances, the media, the courts, robert mueller, to try to unmuddy the water? thank you. you'll be back with me next hour. coming up, facebook, twitter
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catalogs to let you see the active campaigns on their services. the policy change comes after facebook, twitter and google all uncovered examples of russian operatives buying political ads to sew division up to the election. two that have signed onto the bill called the honest ads act. a republican and democratic congressman. i'll start with you, congressman kaufman, tell us about this bill. >> it is common sense legislation. it already exists. disclosure rules already exist for tv, for radio. our laws have never been updated to reflect the internet. political ads on the internet. it's so critical to do this. i believe russia playing in our
2016 election is a catalyst for this. this should occur were respective of russia's involvement. >> congressman, it sounds like a >> i think it's good news this is a bipartisan bill. because at the end of the day, this is about the american people's right to know who's trying to influence elections and it's about trying to keep more money out of our campaigns. >> congressman could'veman, have you heard from the white house on this? >> you know, no, i really haven't. i think that -- i think we've seen -- i've seen some comments about facebook in the press not being supportive of the legislation but i think, again, this disclosure, transparency, is just the essence of campaign finance reform and so, this, this law is just so necessary. again, never been updated to reflect the internet. >> i'm kind of curious how you view this differently maybe than
some other issues because i know in general, republicans largely aren't supportive of more regulations or more government in interference you could say or control over, over the public. why might this particular issue be different? >> transparency is different. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> go ahead, congressman kaufman, then we'll come to you. sorry, go ahead. >> okay. okay. i'm sorry. i just think -- i think republicans have always been supportive of transparency. and so, and this is, i think the essence of transparency. and i certainly hope my colleagues are supportive of this on my side of the aisle and some of them i think might be concerned about russia investigation and the partisanship and the polarization involved in that. i hope that they see this as just something that really needs
to be done irrespective of russia, in that we have laws on the books right now that require this same reporting for tv and for radio. so i think for political advertising. and so, you know, why not the internet? >> congressman kyl her, what do you think about the actions facebook and twitter announced this week? >> well, i think any time you have the technology companies trying to do things that provide more transparency, that's a good thing. that's progress. but i think the real litmus test is does it take the actions that are called for? having an online -- >> search shl data base where the information is available about the ads. where the content of the ad is made available, where the amount that's being spent is made available. and i think we'll see whether the technology companies provide all of that information. >> and representative kaufman, what are the biggest questions
you want answered when social media companies address congressional investigators this week? >> well, i think -- certainly what congressman kilmer said, i think they're going to kind of say well, we're really sort of doing this -- well, they need to do all of this prescribed and this legislation, i think is so critical. we should not have one standard for radio and tv and another standard for the internet when it comes to political advertising. the american people have a right to know who's buying these ads and how big these buys are. and so i think it's too bad that it wasn't in place before the 2016 election. we can have it in place now because of the 2018 election. >> and congressman kilmer, there's a new poll out showing a partisan gap, nearly three quarters believes the politics have reached a dangerous low point. you are an example of a
bipartisan effort, why do you think we're not seeing more of this? >> well, you know, i share the american people's disappointment with how congress is failing to function. listen, when i'm back home with my constituents they want to see the government moving forward too. i think we've seen way too much parking lot san bickering, not enough focus on making progress on behalf of the american people. and i commend mike for working with me on this bill. i mean, this is as you put it earlier, this is a no-brainer. this is about giving people the right to know who's trying to influence campaigns and influence electoral outcomes and importantly, listen, i'm not outraged about russian involvement in the last election as a democrat, i'm outraged about it as an american. i believe it's important to the integrity of our election system that we keep foreign money out of our political system, and whether it be on this issue or others that move things forward for getting our economy on track and getting our government on track. i think there's opportunities
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we're live in the cnn newsroom, thanks for being here. thanks for rolling with me this evening. i'm anna cabrera in new york and this time tomorrow, the very first arrests could be made in the special counsel investigation being led by robert mueller as we've been reporting, federal grand jury has now approved charges, but what those charges are and who they're against is sealed for now. so far, there is no official comment from the white house on the pending indictments. the president did have quite a few other things to stay, however, he tweeted this, all of this russia talk, right, when the republicans are making their big push for historic tax cuts and reforms, is this coincidental? not. he also unleashed a barrage of blistering attacks on hillary clinton and the democrats,