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they're going to make sure we're safe. >> why wouldn't you come out here? >> right. >> reporter: this is sort of an awkward question, but were there any reservations just knowing so many folks lost their lives and still coming out to celebrate? >> it's somewhat fearful, but if you change your life, the bad guys win. you have to go out and live the way you're going to live. enjoy what the city has to offer all the time. >> reporter: we want to point out both the mayor and governor walked part of the parade out here tonight, anderson. again, heavy police presence. but a lot of folks doing exactly what they were advised to do, come out and go on with their lives. >> that's about all the time weave tonight. time to hand things over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." this is cnn breaking news. here's breaking news as we look at these live pictures. a deadly truck attack in new york city.
police calling it a an act of terror just blocks from the world trade center. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. thank you for joining us. here's what we know right now at the moment. eight people are dead, at least eight injured. a brazen terror attack. a truck rented today from a home depot entering the bike path at housen street at 3:05 p.m. plowing south through cyclists and pedestrians for 16 blocks. slamming into a school bus injuring two stupidities and two adults. the attacker then jumps out of the vehicle with what turned out be a paint ball gun and he's shot and taken into custody. a source says he left a note in the truck claiming the attack was in the name of isis. law enforcement sources say he came to the u.s. from use back stn in 2010 and most recently
lived in new jersey at least part time. witnesses reported the suspect was yelling -- according to four sources. there's a lot to get to tonight. just about a block away from that scene, good evening to you. you're downtown in front of the freedom tower where that attack occurred. >> reporter: yeah, don, i can look up to my right and i can see the freedom tower lit in red, white and blue. and over my shoulder there's more lights. those are investigators working this crime scene. that truck that the suspect used to commit this attack, that is at the end of the isstreis stre. see we're not far from it. i have talked to witnesses all day, law enforcement officials on-the-scene almost immediately. and they all describe it the same way. the horror between the mangled bicycles on the zeen, between the people crying out for help that were injured and of course
the bodies that were there along that bike path. ask you laid it out for you viewers but again it was along 3:00 this afternoon. you can imagine how busy a bike path here in new york city was at that time with people commuting or exercising or just hanging out. the driver of that car we've identified through sources is -- drove that truck rather and mowed over those people leaving eight people dead. just a horrific scene here in new york city, don. >> really unbelievable. brin, thank you. we'll get back to you. now i want to turn to cnn's chief national correspondent mr. jim sciutto. jim, good evening, to you. we're looking at this video now. what have you learned about him tonight? >> let's run through what we know. we know his name is -- he's 29 years old, originally from
uzbeckstan. he's been arrested in the past, this picture you're seeing here is from an arrest in missouri in 2016 for traffic related violations. to this point we don't know whether he was on any sort of watch list or whether law enforcement, the fbi, et cetera knew him to be or suspected him to be someone who had jihadip tendencies, that relevant because as witnesses have said he shouted alaakbar, god is great after carrying out this attack. and we also now know he left a note either in the truck or around the truck claiming he carried out this attack in the name of isis. >> and the white house, how is the president responding? >> well, the president tweeted just moments ago i have just ordered homeland security to step up our already extreme
vetting program. being politically correct is fine, but not for this. now, to be clear as you and i have talked about a number of times, we've reported on this broadcast and others, the president has a travel ban still working its way through the courts. this is actually the third version of the travel ban. previous ones ran into legal issues. but i should note the majority of muslim majority countries on this list, uzbeckstan is not one of them. and this is an issue that comes up frequently. you have some homegrown terrorists, been here forever, some immigrants may have come here years ago as children perhaps. we don't know when for instance the suspect here was radicalized. he's been in the country for seven years. so we don't know if the rad clgization took place in his home country or more recently. typically they carry out those
attacks soon after their radicals iegz. so it's possible that took place when he was here in the u.s. >> jim, thank you very much. i want to bring in now an eyewitness to the harrowing attack here today. and he joins us in the studio. thank you for coming in. we reel really appreciate it. as i said you were on the way to pick your your son from school? >> yes. >> what did you see? >> i was coming down the west side highway and then looking down on the phone and my uber driver said a car is mowing down people on the bike path. and when i looked up i saw like four or three people lying down and blacked the high school. ask i told the driver it must be a halloween prank. people pranking people, did the bloody make-up. and he's telling me no, no, no i
saw the truck plowing through people. and then literally the light was red and we were standing there and then the unmarked police car came. and then i saw two policemen running, and then there were eight or nine, something like that, very loud shots fired. and then basically they started waving us to sort of free the highway. >> where were you exactly? on the west side highway? >> near chamber, right by the high school. >> but your uber driver saw not initially from the beginning, but he saw actually people get mowed down. did you see people get run over? >> no, not personally. but it probably happened when i looked down on the phone. >> but the uber driver saw it? >> yes. >> what happened next? you said you saw an unmarked
police car. >> i saw an unmarked police car coming north, down from the west side of the high wy. and then two policemen ran forward, and then i heard like nine gunshots fired. and then all the while i was looking -- before the gunshots were fired, i was actually discussing with the uber driver that it was probably a trick. he was telling me, no, he saw a car. and then what happened next is we sort of pulled forward and i then i saw that sort of rental u-haul type truck what appeared to have collided with a very large deliver truck, but then i saw a school bus badly damaged. and then the police were sort of waving us to go ahead, go ahead. and then i saw a bearded
gentleman lying on the floor with the blood on his abdomen, so i presume he was shot, but i did thought see him being shot. and then i actually saw a second gentleman that was standing on his knees on a grassy divider that separates west side highway from the bike pass. and the gentleman was standing on his knees with his hands up in the air. and the gentleman would strike me he sort of wore not weather-like clothes, he wore a t-shirt that was not t-shirt related weather. i don't know. maybe he was a passerby. >> and they wanted to stop him. so you heard the shots, but but you didn't see him get shot? >> no. >> but you did see him? >> yes, i saw him on the ground. >> and you saw the truck? >> no, i didn't see the truck mowing people, but i saw the truck once it collided. >> your 10-year-old son, you
were going to pick him up? >> yes. >> lenny? >> yes. >> you took him trick or treating tonight. >> yes. >> were you afraid to do that? >> i told him, look, i saw something bad but, you know, life goes on. we have a plan. we have to continue and we just have to be careful crossing the street. don't let -- sort of look around so no one tries to -- >> you mention all these streets. these are the streets right near the world trade center. we remember the names of these streets from 9/11. so you never know. >> you know what i was thinking, i was thinking of the -- >> say again? >> evil. evil does not look scary. it wasn't the guy. it wasn't very dramatic. it was this sort of very
low-key, ordinary evil doing tremendous damage to so many people. so many lives have been wasted for nothing. >> thank you for coming in. tell your son we said hello. >> thanks for having me. hope it was under different circumstances. >> let's discuss the investigation now and what we've learned so far. he's a co agent of agent storm, and also philip mudd, a senior terrorism official. what a harrowing story we've heard this evening. 29 years old, came to the united states in 2010. why is this significant? what can you tell us about terrorist activity in
uzbekistan? >> there are two major groups. the first affiliated with isis and the second affiliated with al-qaeda. both those groups have significant presence in syria and iraq. at least 1,500 ubeks have traveled to those foreign countries, there's a lot of jihadi propaganda in uzbek. and some have notably carried out attacks in the west. so investigators are going to look at perhaps if there was travel back and forth between uzbekistan. also there was a dhs study which looked at foreign-born violent
extremists and found that most of them had become radicalized after they came to the united states and through social media, propaganda on the internet and so on and foe forth, don. >> it's interesting, phil. i don't know if you were the last guest. he said what he found -- what he struck him was the biinality of evil just how ordinary looking this man was is or is. >> back when we had the al-qaeda gy, we would have them in to talk with us about what they do, to give us classes on terrorism. so from day one you have this perception that the people we're seeing are the face of evil, that if you saw them they might be different than the person you saw on the street, if you talked to them, they might be extreme.
they might be the people you talk to every day, they just have a switch go on. >> we see the suspect having a paint ball gun and a bb gun. why have those guns? >> i think almost certainly he wanted to be killed by the police, that he craved -- in his vision he wanted to depot to paradise. you see that in so many plots in the west and elsewhere where this is a big motivating factor. and that is similar thing that happened in niece, france in 2016 whether it was the deadly truck attack killing 80 people. the suspect in that case had a gun and here in the u.k. we saw a case with another vehicle attack on london bridge where the three suspects were wearing fake suicide vests again because they meant today be shot dead by
law enforcement. in that case they were. in this case the suspect in his estimation likely has failed to get what they want to die. >> thank you very much. i appreciate that. when we come back, much more on our breaking news. eight people killed, multiple injuries in a deadly new york city attack since 9/11. one new york trade center flooded in red, blue, and white tonight. new york governor calling it a tribute to freedom and democracy. now i'm turning into my dad. i text in full sentences. i refer to every child as chief. this hat was free. what am i supposed to do, not wear it? next thing you know, i'm telling strangers defense wins championships. -well, it does. -right? why is the door open? are we trying to air condition the whole neighborhood? at least i bundled home and auto on an internet website, progressive.com. progressive can't save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto. i mean, why would i replace this? it's not broken.
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our breaking news tonight, eight people are dead in what new york city officials are calling an act of terror. a truck on a crowded bike path. joining me now two formerew york city police detectives, cnn law enforcement analyst larry uk and law enforcement at or near tom burny. sources telling cnn that the attacker left a note in the truck sing he carried out thi attack for isis and then yelled allah akbar. given what you know about this -- >> my coolences to the family and those injured. we're going to tear this guy apart and find out everything we can about who he is and where he came from. we're going to find out where
he's been living. we're going to knock on every door we can, neighbors, friends, past acquaintces, where he's been for the last year, the last ten years. have to find out everything we possibly can to make sure he's not part of a larger plot. it seems uto this point he is one of these kind of lone wolf people, maniacs. so we want to make sure there's nothing hiding underhe bushes so to speak. >> can i ask you something because people always say lone wolf. chris, can you actually have lone wolf when you have the internet? the internet, it can be a group of people on the internet? is that feasible anymore? >> i don't beeve, you can, do i don't believe in theerm self-radicalsation. lone wolf is descriptive in some ways, but your point is
well-taken. this is mass media campaign by isis to recruit people. and because of the scope and breadth of their campaign, they're going to get som followers. they tell them how to conduct these attacks, when to construct these attacks, stay in place and do it, don't try to come to the battlefields. so this is a very specific direction,n my opinion. so i don't believe in the self-r self-radcliization thing. >> we heard that most-are radicalized here in the united states. he came to the u.s. in 2010 and most likely at least acorg to paul crook shank and others, he was cad clzed here.
authorities think he acted alone, but they can't be sure. especially considering the whole internet factor? >> yeah, exactly they're going to look at his facebook, twitter, if he's on that, they're going to find o who his close friends are. the letter that was found, though, going to ascertain whether that letter has any other dna on it besides his own. is it in his handwriting or somebody els? they're going to look close and find out if this was affiliated with anybody else or anybody else knew about ts attack. when he represented the trued te useis credit card, or was somebody else with him at the time? they're going to check his apartment, was there any other dna in the apartment? track that person down, did that person know about the attack? a lot of work to be done here,
but there's a lot they can find out. >> is it always people can use whatever excuse they want for their own craziness or their own issues, right? and it could be he's so angry and he's so upset, and he's just using this isis thing as an excuse, who knows. >> it's very possible. don, i mean that's very possible. but probably a little unlikely. i want to know how well this guy was vetted so many years ago coming back to the united states. he was at a young age coming from uzbekistan, 22 years old. he's around that age where people are radicalized. >> i want to know how many people are using that as an excuse, because they see that on the internet, if they think it's cool wrosh who knows whatever they'r trying to rationalize o if they're part of a big
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back now with my panel of experts and we're talking about the breaking news, the truck attack in new york city that officials call an act of terror that kills eight people and wound at least 11 others. tom, i'm going to ask you why would he travel from tampa to come to new york a conduct >> well, if you're going to do a terrorist attack, new york city is the place to do it, right? we had 9/11. there has not been a successful death in new york caused by a terrorist attack since 9/11. 16 years they've been trying. and that's cukudos to the law enforcement agencies in new york that's thwarted all those plans. now that's happen. so we have to now be vigilant again and keep that level of vigilance to make sure if we can possibly help to thwart another
attack just by the common person seeing something that's out of line and then alerting law enforcement. >> let's talk about some of the obvious things here, chris. what today is, the holiday and all that and why would he choose the location he did? halloween tonight, other attacks have been on hards like christmas in berlin, bas still day in france. any significance there? >> yeah, think so. can't get insideis head, but we know isis has been calling these attacks since 2014 in the publication they have online. al-qaeda has been calling for these attacks. new york is the iconic city. this is real close, of course, to the world trade center monument. so there can be a lot of simpblism here. >> what's the message beside -- i guess it's the obvious message
that it' beside the world trade center. go ahead, chris. >> yeah, that's our monument. obviously that's probably the most single most iconic american monument when it comes to terrorism, it's our pride. it's us standing up to teorism. and this may be his way or isis' way of striking back. we've seen there's one incident recently where thereas an isis flag, an isis post showing an isis flag right at the tower. so they obviously put some stock in that symbolism on that target. >> i want to ask you, the nypd allowed the halloween parade to go on tonight. what does that say? does that say i guess they're confident enough this person acted alone? >> even if they're confident enough there's not going to be another attack tonight, but, listen, we can't stop living our
lives. and i think by keeping the parade on tonight, which is real big parade in new york every year, it's a good time. we're letting isis and everyone else know you're not going to stop our way of life here. no matter what you do life is going onto go on, and no matter what you do, wre going to fight back and live our lives as normally as possible. and i think it's great they did. >> chris, i'm wondeng what are the challenges for the fbi i the early stages in terms of gathering evidence, whether it's in new york city or in florida? >> well, just making sure that there aren't other terrorists out there, trying to understand his social network, if you will. might be a malignant social network behind him, talking to his friends and family, just making sure there isn't something else going on out there. we really want to dissect this one. we'll be able to sort of study
him like a frozen cave man so to speak. and this is a great opportunity to get at his motivation, anyway, and see how he was inspired or even directed. >> usually they die, but now the nypd can get information. go ahead, eric. >> he's saying to himself his mission wasn't accomplished because he's still alive. >> thank you all, i appreciate it. >> although he -- >> go ahead. finish your thought. >> yep, that was it. he's justot to be thinking to himself that, you know, his mission has not been accomplished. and he's probably feeling terrible about that. and i'm glad he's feeling terrible about it. and hopefully we'll be able to get to the bottom of this and find out if anyone else was connected to this attack. >> appreciate it. when we come back, much more on what officials are calling an act of terror on new york city today. james woolsy will join me next.
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york city just blocks from the world trade center. i want to bring in james woolsey former director of the cia. we know it was a terror attack, but we don't know whether he acted alone or by some sort of direction or what's going on. what's your read on this? >> well, part of my read it doesn't matter that much because we're going to find -- the islamists are jihad, and that's certainly not the majority of the muslim world, but it's a section. and the ideology can spread through all sorts of ways. through social media, through internet, through individual contacts. and people talk some about lone wolves. i'd say, you know, most wolves travel in packs. and it's a pack that doesn't necessarily have to have been
formed by one spokesman teaching people in their presence. >> you could be on this and get direction and be among the group. >> absolutely. >> but sources are telling us now they believe he acted alone, but that doesn't mean he wasn't directed by someone, is that correct? >> well, and that doesn't mean he wasn't influence bide someone. >> does it matter if it's isis? you know he's saying it's believed it's isis. he's saying allahu akbar, but does it matter to identify this specific terrorist? >> only if it's going to help us stop the next wave. and we did a good job in namely providing assistance and support and so forth to our allies in the region and helping to defeat isis pretty decisively now in iraq and syria. but that's in part that they are
migrating to other places like unfortunately yesterday, new york. >> in your years, when you were working with this newer director, were you making people aware of these vehicle attacks? i ask you because let's look at these vehicle attacks. this is that in the last year. the niece, france attack, berlin christmas attack. two in london, one in barcelona. what's going on? >> terrorists have found that by using knives and trucks, which can be almost anyplace, you don't have to smuggle anything. lots of people have knives and lots of people have a truck. so if you can kill dozens of people that day, although you're not killing the hundreds that you did that you did if you
brought down an airplane, they're satisfied with that. they wreak havoc, and new york is telling them -- and i'm proud of new yorkers in a lot of ways. the new yorkers are telling them something rude and going ahead and having their parade. i think that's the right thing to do, and i'm glad they did it. >> so then how do you know -- so what are you fighting here? because you're not fighting against chemicals. you know what i mean, you can ban certain chemicals. if someone buys too much of this or buys this ingredient, at least you know. if someone buys this weapon or tries to rig the weapon, you may know about that. how do you know about a -- >> a truck or a knife, you don't. >> so what are we fighting here? >> i think you're fighting an ideology. and you have to integrate law
enforcement and people who work for law enforcement into the community. so this is partly related to the broken windows syndrome of making sure that things stay well-done in the community as a whole. but you have to have as i think guiliani and certainly other people did several years ago when they implemented this in new york, you've got to get into the society, into the community. you've got to get to know people. you've got to know who's brother-in-law has just come back and is saying crazy stuff when he speak at the mosque. you've got to get into the society. because we can't win on this just by rocking back and waiting for somebody to knife somebody else or somebody to ram a truck over them. >> it was -- jewel yaguiliani a
and then -- there was a lot of criticism, but in some ways it worked. and now i think they are working on how to fine tune that. >> well, i think we have to be pretty tolerant with the enforcers under these circumstances because we really at war with an ideology. and we've got to fight, and we can't fight if we sit on our hands and wait. . >> the administration says they are pushing isis out of certain territories, that they are gaining over ice overseas. is that pushing it over here? >> well, to some extent. it's also creating great chaos increasingly so i think in africa, where the influence of the islamic state is starting to push. and so the africans, some of them are trying to resist and we're helping them, in niger we're helping them. and that's part of the problem, too. >> ambassador woolsey, appreciate it. when we come back, much more on our breaking news. what officials are calling a
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word out of the white house tonight that president trump's sticking with the strategy of cooperating with special counsel robert mueller and rejecting steve bannon's advice to take a harder line at least for now. so let's discuss. he's a former counselor to watergate scial prosecutor and cnn political analyst ryan. so ryan hope hicks will be interviewed by the special counsel. his team, how significant is this development? >> i think it's very, very significant because she is one of president trump's closest aides. she has been by his side since the very beginning of his presidential campaign in summer of 2015. and i really mean by his side. i mean she often played the gateeper role for trump when he was a candidate. and even in the white house, one of the few people that can get reporters and other people
immediate access to the president. so she's seen everything. and she often communites on behalf of the president, prints out articles for him, sends messes. so e's, you know, very, very important, very, very close to him and has been through the entire scope of where this russia investigation is looking. so she has a lot of information. >> but it's been quiet and behind the scenesnd not as well-known as many of the people who are around trump at least until recently until she got this communications job. >> she replaced anthony scaramucci, but has a much lower profile job. >> as a communications director should. as ryan just said, hicks has been employed by trump for years, before he was president. can mueller ask hicks about anything before herenure with the president, as president
or -- >> yeah, regarding collusion during the campaign. so it's what did she know, any questions. it can be papadopoulos and how serious was his role, questions about don junior and his meeting with the russian lawyer. i think that's all open territory. >> but what about when he was a developer and she worked with him? >> i think not. the i think it's the scope of this time. the point of the conviction of the guilty plea of papadopoulos, everyone now knows they have to be truthful speaking to the fbi. >> just to add to that,on, she worked for ivanka at the ivanka company previously, so she wouldn't necessarily be an expert on the trump financial complicated dealings, although sh might go something about that. trump himself is in the cross has as far as we know ad the reason this interview is important is because of the
obstruction of justice allegation. she wod have knowledge of the meetings that went onto the point where they fired comey. she would kno something about this statement that was relead from the white house and coordinated with don trump, jr. overhe trump tower meeting that is being investigated. so i doubt, although i doubt it's about trump organization and his life previous to being a canadian. >> previous to being a candidate. >> some say steve bannon should hit back hard. be more combative but not all his advisors agree. her is one who told the post -- i like steve but his advice is not always most helpful in this case, whatever steve says the president should do the opposite. so if we were to listen if he were to listen to steve bannon and nothristopher ruddy and
fired mueller what would that mean? >> i think that would be a big mistake from the president's own standpoint because that really would set up a confrontation with his own justice department. as you know the mueller appointment was made by deputy general assembly was trying to retrieve credibility after firing james comey and deputy said he wouldn't permit the firing of mueller unles he was satisfy there'd were grounds and i don't think the president uld come up with grounds. >> we'll discuss the president lashing out about the mueller investigation after this.
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everyone tre's nothing to see here when it comes to the russian investigation. backow with my panel. i want to read what the president has been saying about this. he continued to lash out this morning about this investigation blaming it on the special prosecutor and the media saying the fake news working overtime as paul manafort's lawyer sai there was no inclusion that took place long before he came to the campaign. knew knew the yng low level na george who h already been proven to be a liar, check the dems! is this all leading up too him firing him. >> i do think it will happen. bannan is their dream to do this. we have to completely divided a a nation politically. his base watchers of fox news are genuinely outraged and believe this stuff.
i. >> do they read theack checks on the iranian deal. >> no. >> all you have to do is rea it. it would te nine levels of the government. hillary clinton would have to go, it's just a weird -- >> and she wasn't personally involved. she wasn't personally involved. >> the trump solid core of 35% of trump supporters do not care about the hard facts. they simply go with the trump billy flynn raz dalzle philosophy. if he is directoring their attention off at the shiny object in the corner they simply will not focus on facts. >> he's effeive. the hole crazy like a fox the tweet storms, it works. i mean, people believe him over much the main stream media his support eers do. >> if heere to fire mueller, he could, that he could get away with it. that the american people would
have no say or congress? >> i think heould get away with it because his core base would not be eroded in smallest and will terrify republicans to make them vulnerable in the house. >> you think he will listen to steve bannon? >> truth is he didn't listen to bannan when he was in the with white house. he struggled on a range of issues and was frustrated quite frequently. bannon is not the spend golly figure he's made out to be and trump isot micromanaged by bannon but obviously trump is no fan of the special counsel that's why it is important republicans in congress push to get on record what they would do if he takes that action. if people think this is a real attack on the rule of law should speak up now and make sure the president doesn't cross that
line. one thing i want to say on his tweet about highwow this was al yes ago, if you read the indictment yesterday, the special counsel is accusing mueller and gates in engaging in what? in a seek money-making scheme to influence american politics on behalf of a foreign power that seems pretty relevant if you're investigating a secret scheme -- >> all you have to do is look at the date 2017 s as far as i kno manafort was working for the campaign in 2016. >> don there's one other point important on that. the diametindictment is clear i identifying whose behalf they were working wasa cove itch uk crane who the indictment identifies as pro-russia because
he was putin's man and the indictment said he fled to russia after he was pushed out. >> people are really missing that. glad you put it that way. if someone is running a secret campaign on pro-putin alley to influence american politics that is definitely a person of interest investigating collusion with russia. >> tnk you all i appreciate it. we're live with breaking news, police are calling an act of terror worse in new york city since 9/11, eight are dead, eleven injured, in a brazen daylight attack on a crowded path along the hudson river. a truck rented from home depot entered a bike path plowing south for 16 blocks, slamming into a school bus injuring two students and