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he was putin's man and the indictment said he fled to russia after he was pushed out. >> people are really missing that. glad you put it that way. if someone is running a secret campaign on pro-putin alley to influence american politics that is definitely a person of interest investigating collusion with russia. >> tnk you all i appreciate it. we're live with breaking news, police are calling an act of terror worse in new york city since 9/11, eight are dead, eleven injured, in a brazen daylight attack on a crowded path along the hudson river. a truck rented from home depot entered a bike path plowing south for 16 blocks, slamming into a school bus injuring two students and two adults and he
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jumped out of the vehicle and was shot by a police officer, suspect identified at 29-year-old sayfullo habibullaevic saipov. law enforcement says he came to the u.s. in 2010 and lived in new jersey at least part time. witnesses reported the system penay was yelling allauakbar what's the latest tonight? >> i can tell you tonight sources here on the scene tell me they have actually had to spread out the crime scene further down the west side highway because they discovered shell casings belonging to
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officers again who shot at this suspect when this all unfolded so the crime scene stretches many blocks, we have the freedom tower lit up and all of the lights where the investigation is ongoing. right down this block is where the rental truck that saipov was driving ended up and that's where the crux of this investigation is at this point. witnesses i talked to throughout the day, law enforcement sources who were on the scene after it happened all described the scene the same way, that is just horror between the mangled bicycles that were on this path that this driver took to the people that were screaming at the time that were injured and also just people of course that were killed along this path just the sight of that horric is
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what it's been described as. i talked to one girl, 17-year-old, she was leaving high school and heard gun shots and ran back to the high school took cover for three hour and took pictures ever the scene unfolding of officers and investigators trying to capture this man and the karn age that was left behind. very emotional scene.carnage th was left behind. ve emotional scene. >> thank you very much for that. want to turn to chief jim whaks are sources telling you. >> this is the late eflt we're hearing now. it is the belief that he was no information that he was on anyone's radar as a potential
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jihadi, someone who had been radicalized. i wa told there's no specifi intelligence indicating possibility of an attack on this target at this time. the suspect is 29 years old, came from kuzbekstan and had family members in new jersey. he does have prior arrests but nothing related touzbekstan and family members in new jersey. he does have prior arrests but nod knowledge they've discovered of previous indications of links to terrorism. >> from the white house whatsoever the president saying? >> the president tweeted an hour ago saying the following, i've just ordered homeland security to step up our already extreme
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veing program, bei polit politically correct is fine but not for this exclamation point. the president is talking about beefing up vetting for forei foreigners for muslim-majority countries and now in the third iteration of his travel ban from muslim majority countries of the countries, syria, iran -- venezuela well uzbekistan is not on the list so had this ban gone through it would not have many years ago netted this particular suspect. he's been in this country for seven years and typically in my contact offver the years with intelligence officials typically when jihadi s attacks it would
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be closer to when he came to the u.s. again this is early in the investigation. we're told of no evidence he had ties to national terrorist organization but still investigating that as they move forward. >> thank you jim for that. i want to turn now to our next guest, you're a new yorker. >> good to be with you. >> tell me how you feel about this? >> it's horrifying. this beautiful day, and then to see kids with halloween paint streaked with tears, it just breaks your heart. >> you're absolutely right it is heart breaking living here and seeing that. i had a guest on earlier on his way to pick his ten-year-old son up from school and explaining to him i'm not gng to let the terrorists stop us. we have to move on. >> and of course happen sog
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close to the world trade series. >> absolutely. let's talk about the travel ban. so sayfullo habibullaevic saipov came from uzbekistan in 2010 it is not on the list of the ban syria,libya, chat, iman, yemen, north kor and venezuela. >> islam in that country has been with sometimes u.s. support and anything that's helped to create a backlash tha has radicalized some people in uzbekistan and there isndeed a coder of radicalized uzbeki's around the world and in this case it appears the perpetrator was radicalized in the u.s. after arrivinarriving.
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but uzbekistan is not a classic case of that would makes tt list and president trump said he would amplify his vetting. this is not a case of a refugee or someone from one of the countries he's talked about. >> yeah as he calls it extreme vetting. there's been no domesc isis attacks carried out by those countries since the supreme court allowed this im implementation in juneut hawaii revised the trave ban but at what point does this administration see its ineffective here. >> i don't think they will see it. in fact at least o my twitter feed people somehow ramp up and see somebody from a majority muslim country a it reenforces their belief perhaps president trump was right.
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in fact the lesson to me is he was not from one of those countries and president trump's efforts wouldn't make this country safer. it is incredibly complicated. there's no silver bullet if anything it's silver buck shot. we can limit access to wpons including trucks. the new york city police department has an outstanding counter terrorism operation and have tried hard to prevent trust rental organizations to rent to people who might blow things up but you can't get perfect compliance. >> when you thi about oklahoma city it was a ryder truck, >> i think that's right. >> and then the first world trade center bombing was also a bomb that wasn a garage and left a giant hole in the garage of the world trade center so this has been happening.
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>> that's right. i mean, i must say that there was a period when we were worried about wmd attack that's would be for more lethal and destructive to our social fabric. i don't think there's a way we can perfectly protect our self from this kind of lone wolf attacks whether wit a truck a gun or a nice. we've seen these over the world. they're just heart breaking when they hpen but they don't threaten the system as a whole. >> can i ask about the lone wolf thing, can you really have a internet ithat a lone wolf or maybe someone who doesn't have an accomplice with them but being directed by someone on the internet. >> so they're part of a wolf pack that is in a sense global. >> or virtual. >> a virtual wolf pack if you will but is not tradition algal
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geographic wolf pack . one thing i reflect on is our role in the media and sometimes these lone wolves want to be heroes and we in the media should have second thoughts aboupublicizing their names. i fear we create an incentive for them to commit some acts and we should maybe keep them anonymous. >> do you think people really remember the names of the folk that's much. >> i don't know but i must say i do have the sense some of these folks are frustrated. they feel though haven't achieved anything. granduer, and whether it's the las vegas attacker or somebody like this, i do think there's this aspiration for something larger than they are. and i wonder if the promise of publicity knowing people will say their name all across the country and world may encourage
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them. >> i wonder if it's not people saying their name, because i think people have tough time remembering names maybe it's that they are famous among people they are part of. >> there's something to that. that we can't control. i can control whether or not i mention his name in my column and more and more i think i shouldn't. >> thank you nick. >> good to be with you. >> when we come back what official are calling act of terror that killed eight and injured eleven more blocks from the world trade center. re plaque psoriasis,... ...isn't it time to let the real you shine through? maybe it's time for otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months,... ...with reduced redness,... ...thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has... ...no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting.
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back now with breaking news, eight people are dead in what new york officials are calling an act of terror a truck attack on a bike attack, a brutal and completely unsuspected attack on a beautiful afternoon that turned deadly. n. >> 6,000 to 8,000 residents are on this busy bike path in america officials say this is where the attack unfolded down to the site of the former world trade center. it started at 3:05 when the truck turned off the wesside highway and got on the bike path and accelerated zooming along, the path is pav and was little to slow him down.
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considering how many people you normally see on a nice afternoon it's rather remark able more weren't injured and how far he made it. in any event down in this area it is not exactly clear if he was trying to somehow pull off the path back into traic or to escape into the city but somehow he collide with a bus and that's when this vehicle was disabled. he jumped out of the vehicle and poli caught up with him and he was shot. how long did this take beginning to end, not long. the rental truck he got in new jersey had a big v-8 engine, no concrete barriers to slow him down. the distance just under a mile. event 60 miles an hour the attack would have lasted less than 60 seconds. wow. thank you so much. want to bring in national
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security analyst, and law enforcement analysts, good evening to all oyou. thank you for coming on. michael what stands out to you. >> this is a coordinated attack. the fact that pledge add leejance to isis in the form of a letter in the van. goes back to the isis mo in 2014 when their former spokesman issued a global injunction that muslims couldn't join the ranks of isi on the battlefld there should take up arms whereve they are, pick up a rock, smash down the infidels with a rock or get behind the wheel of a car. i've heard of attacking around the world like this. it definitely is the hall marks of jihadist. >> the fact he said he did it in the name of isis how does that affect investigators. >> they will find out if he is
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in touch with central command in some part of syria and iraq and important understand isis exportation of jihad. they started making placns in te advance of the establishment of the kayla fit that it would one day crumble and they would dispatch all these fighters into europe, asia all over the world middle east of course to create cells that could coordinate and plan attacks without having anybody in the upper echon of isis to know about it. that's the what is known as counter terrorism circles as the virtual entrepreneurs who coordinate these things through the internet. >> virtual entrepreneur. >> yeah. >> my question all evening has been, we keep hearing le wolf, can you have a lone wolf? phrase and i think it is well past it sell by date. in fact most of the cases we
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look at first blush and think this is probably a lone wolf terror attack whether blin or french attacks and alwaysurn out to be somhing a little bit more complicated. not to say someone went to syria and came back. not the only cookie cutter example. could be someone in touch with a isis recruiter. >> art you want to weigh? >> exactly right how many lone wolves does it take to make a pack. it was brought up in an interview y done earlier, it is a loosely formed pact, there's not one indidual directing this to happen. you have all this stuff on the internet, y have a pier magazine, all calling for this. so i think the lone wolf phrase is really gone out the window. i agree with mike that it's just not useful any more. >> julia you want to weighn on that? >> well, nothing new or more to
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toad that except there is a degree of difference if you think of isis as being an enterprise or eco system between what we see, say, in europe or in the middle east and maybe what we're seeing today, i put caveats on what we're seeing today. we don't even know now if there were co-conspirators in the united states who helped him plan his attack let alone the kind of a contacts he had abroad. question is is it a loose affiliation with the eco system or much tighter and this was directed, based on what we're seeing right now now, you have to aume it was probably loose based on the information. i have to say the certainty of the new york pice commissioner solo attack.lieve that this is a i think they would not say that unless there was some informatn to lead them to believe that. they have no interest in, sort, minimizing the risk at this stage, they want to protect new
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yorkers. >> do you think the suspect planned to survive this attack, he had a bee bee gun and paint b. ball gun. >> i don't think so. you don't do this type of attack and get out of your vehicle with two what looks like real handguns and then stand out in the open. i don't think he planned on surviving this attack at all. you look at this attack and compare it to other attacks we had in the u.s. there's been plenty of graphics put up about attacks overeas. i think there's a big difference here and i think law enforment response and what we've done since 9/11 is a key part of that. we he yet to have a so-called sophisticated attack in the u.s. that involved let's say a large cell or multiple people as they have had in europe because we put in place since the 9/11 commission report laws, rules, regulations, we've establishnd jt and fusion centers and we
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have a lot more communication going on between law enforcement which is not occurring at the same level over in euro. i think this is why we inrcontinental convenient in a sophisticated plan a lot quicker than they can in europe. >> he yelled god is great. >> first language for these guys is russian. a lot of them coming from the former soviet union and radicalized through civil war and campaigns being waged in these republics. the two former war ministers of isis last guy reportedly killed by the coalition not long ago was a tajic police commander in an elite squad known as oman
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trained by the brought to the united states. his predecessor was a georgia national, etch nick ethnicitiy, also special forces in russia andrained allegedly reportedly by the united states military. so a lot of these guys are battle hardened with sophisticated military training, they know tactics and intelligence gathering. if you tal to former isis fighters, one i interview in 2016 these are czechians the grab bag for those in syria who have been trained not so say this particular individual did but you look at the airport bombings, these guys look like they had had military training
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by an uzbek, sent by white ited caucuses, this is is the trend, the jihadist weave to be on the look out for. >> do you think we will see bekistan on the nex travel ban list? >> no. first of all let's all get this straight he's been here since 2010. this is our problem. in oer words we have an issue of radicalization here in the united states. let me also be clear, even despite what happened today this is not an epidemic or existe existential threat it is a tragedy for new yorkers. the idea the president note in his tweet, the solution to the problem we're facing today, it's
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just ridiculous. secondly it's leading us in the wrong direction in terms of counter terrorism strategy. the president may be saying this for all sorts of reasons about islam and radical islam that's not couer terrorism strategy, which would be what the united states has done incredibly right. we do not have large pockets of radical individuals planning asserted attacks in united states, that's a success, often becausef our a ability to immigrate and a simulate people coming her from other untries. opportunity to criticize the an other it's not counter terrorism strate it's much darker and it is sort of reckless since we don't know that many details of this system this system pengt
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this suspect. >> the system penalty claiming he committed the attack in the name of isis. whatan be done to stop more attacks. whoooo.
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breaking news, a deadly terror attack in new york city blocks from the world trade center. i want to bring in michael smith a tix terrorism analyst that testified before congressional committee. good to have you on. today i testified before congress on isis and terror.goo. today i testified before congress on isis and terror. before the day is out we're attacked here in united states what do you make of the attack in new york. >> i'm still trying to make sense of it. this afternoon i looked at television channels trying to discern whether news reports might have something to do with the group and we started to see a flow of information posting about the news stories that rapidly transitioned into
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celebratory posting strongly suggesting a linkage to the group. common we see as islam does claim responsibility for whether you see right television channels posting celebratory responses. they have a hashtag campaign around this to promote some of their posters that are high jacking photo graphs from the scenes and incorporating logos and terrible commentaries and even images of president trump. >> you if know they're operating on the internet are by monitoring those sites is there a way to shut them down. >> when you talk about telegram messenger channels it's different than just running a website or being akctive on an open source platform like
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twitter or facebook. telegram is not an easily searchable platform and most of the channels they create you have to get invitation links to join those chat rooms or channels. a lot of times they will close them for access. there are public access ones but for the most part you have to really be engrained into their larger cyber domain to track all th in that activity. >> you can hack them right? >> not quite. it's not that simple. islamic state does run stand alone websites that are not as well publicized as a lot of the channels have been over the past year on tele grams platform that's become the primary point you will see the flow of propaganda from islamic state
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starts on tele gram and moves out ton the youtube so it is difficult for intelligence in the united states because telegram is not base here, so not much we can do in terms of public pressure. >> we have been talking about lone wolf and a left the experts are saying maybe time to retire that term especially if someone can be influenced or directed via the internet. >> yeah that is as michael pointed out in the last segment that is a stale term for sure. really when you hear that term used people in law enforcement and the united states intelligence community know what that refers to. and it's not meant to imply any longer that this is not somebody who didn't necessarily have links to the groups over seas or online or something like that it just mean s at this point in the investigation they have nothing to suggest there's a sell per se that is active in a wider plot
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but doesn't rule out the potential of over seas engagements over the cyber domain. the reach in the west was the focus of the senate hearing today. i've been frankly appalled toe see president trump responding to this by a focus on immigration policy when in fact he should be focused on this group's reach into the united states over the internet. islam state has demonstrated it has achieved a power of persuasion sufficient to cull mim nate this radicalization issues to violence. and he's not limiting the potential of it happening furtherer. that's the starting point right there. >> thus the focus on the questions on the internet. the producers have figured it out but maybe the president hasn't figured it out.
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that's how they are being influenced through the internet. >> they're absolutely aware of this. i had a call with the staffer developing the national security strategy for the trump administrati administration assistant to general mcmaster last month and she's interested in leverages what was in my testimony today for a portion of that but they're not interested in taking the next step and imposing policies on social media companies, internet, file sharing type companies, big companies whose technologies that groups like the islam state and al qaeda continue to exploit here in the united states from afar. that's a real problem. they are aware of this issue. they do not want to be developing new policies to impose them on these industries. >> exactly what happened to today it is a soft tarlget for
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these terrorists people enjoying a bike ride on a beautiful fall day. >> it's absolutely terrible and it's what the islam state has been calling out since 2014 calling out for attacks on civilians hire in the united states and in europe in particular. last year in the original ramadan address in orlando and state of attacks in europe he said the smallest act here in europe or in the united states against civilians is more beloved to the group to defend and expand their territorial holding this is a high priority objective for this group. and you're seeing them demonstrate a power of persuasion far greater than anything we've seen with al
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qaeda especially when you consider al qaeda continues to call for attacks in the west and it's just not happening. >> all right thank you i really enjoyed that conversation. >> thank you, don. >> when we come back, friend of president trump's inler circle, how close will the investigation get to the president himself. just like some people like banging their head on a low ceiling. drinking spoiled milk. camping in poison ivy. getting a papercut. and having their arm trapped in a vending machine. but for everyone else, there's directv. for #1 rated customer satisfaction over cable switch to directv. call 1-800-directv.
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word out of the white house tonight that president trump is sticking with the strategy of cooperating with special counsel robert mueller f now confirming one of the president's closest aides will be interviewed by the mueller team. to my guests now. cnn learned today white house communication director and long time trump aide hopes him will be interviewed who has worked for trump for years now. is this significant development. >> what it tells viewers
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important realize hicks's portion of the investigation is more on the obstruction side of things. she was also reportedly involved in the crafting a statement so when trump tower news broke you kushner and trump jr. with a russian lawyer the president of th united states was supposedly involved in crafting a statement that his son made that turned out to be highly misleading planned mueller is investigating that and hicks is involved in that statement so her pieces of this investigation have really nothing to do with this papadopoulos piece as far as we know, had nothing to do with what manafort and gate were charges with, reminds why mr. mueller is far along on the investigation, the charges
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against paul manafort and mr. gates yesterday, realistic atly thereto still a long way to go in other pieces of the investigation and those portions continue. >> so the investigation on paul manafort's financial dealings is an area president can pursue with the president. >> for ken. >> definitely. this was really round one of the manafort and gates investigation. i frankly, would expect additional charges. one reason for that is that the information and plea agreement refer, i think, indirectly to manafort and others high up in the campaign who had direct mmunications with papadopoulos. i don't think we've seen the last of the charges against paul
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manafort or others at that high level of the campaig and white house. >> why is that? >> well the papadoplos information to some extent is something of a teaser, although it didn't name all of the names of the campaign people that papadopoulos was dealing with in an effort to discuss how to get dirt from these russian operatives that papadopoulos was dealing with, dirt on hillary clinton, they're identified by categories in the campaign. so it's clear that mueller's team is working its way up the ladder of the trump campaign organization and the white house and one of those people on the political side of the list is manart he was present at the mid meeting on the mounding at
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trump tower with don jr. and others and as campaign manager was the point person and coordinated a lot of the contacts with russian operatives. >> got it. so listen in regards to papadopoul, rhe wasn't a namen anyone's radar. i want to recap march 21 trump introduced papadopoulos as foreign policy advisor. april 26th papadopoulos told russia has thousands of clinton e-mails. -- on june 6 don jr. meets russian lawyer offering dirt on clinton. fast forward january 27, 2017 papadopoulos makes false statement in an interview with fbi and july 27th fbi arrests papadopoulos and october 5th papadopoulos pleads guilty. so papadopoulos was arrested four whole months ago but just
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heard about it yesterday. what do you make of mueller's move to announce his arrest just yesterday was that strategic move. >> yeah first of all it tells us mueller is running a tight ship over there. i know there's talks about leaks but i don't think it's coming from mueller's side, i think it's coming from congress or defense or someone else not his team that's first part of it. they kept a huge secret that would have been big news of it had leaked. also it was unsealed even though the deal was consummated on october 5th. the unsealing of that was yesterday. and i think what that tells me is that this gentleman is going to be involved and have something to say about the manafort and gates case. for in other words, i think mr. papadopoulos if the trial of manafort and gates were tomorrow
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he would be on the witness list and he will have something to say about both those gentlemen. and of course asim mentioned mr. padopoulos will have things to say about other individuals named in that charging document, one of whom we learned recently was sam clovis also co-chair of the trump campaign. >> more when we come right back. whoooo. going somewhere? here's some advice. tripadvisor now searches more... ...than 200 booking sites - to find the hotel you want and save you up to 30%. trust this bird's words.
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the trump white house working to down-play the role of george papadopoulos, but could he be the key to investigation? paul manafort is something of a known quantity in washington. papadopoulos, rick gates not so much. what could they potentially reveal to investigators that would cause problems for paul manafort and others perhaps gher in trump's circle? ke i'll ask that of you. >> well, rick gates has been with manafort for quite a few years. and manafort, his circle certainly includes a number of lieutenants including a former gru, a russian intelligence
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agent of the ukraine and others. and the mueller investigation i believe is expanding its circle and interewing really all of manafort's contacts. they've gone through his financial dealings. but i think that his dealings particularly in kiev representing the regime there in ukraine and elsewhere. so i think the political end and the russian connection end of the manafort investigation is still developing and wl be coming in a superceding indictment. >> does that make him vulnerable to preure at all? >> they'veeally been joined at the hip, and there's a lot of
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pressure on gates. and he actually was, according to the indictment and the information available, intimately involved in not only the money laundering scheme but the scheme to represent the yanukovych and ukrainian intere in dealing with every aspect of manafort's money laundering. >> let's give some of the details released aut manafort's spending habits. 820,000 on landscaping in the hamptons. manafort is obviously a man of expensiveaste. why would mueller put this infoation out there? >> well, one thing that you're for the indictmenu're reading
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and one thing i'll tel you as a prosecutor that indictment generally goes back to the jury room. that is their guidepost as to when what the case is all about. and those items that are in the indictment there, that lavish spendi you talked about is extremely powerful evidence to a jury. so people like my parents. okay, my dad's a cashier at wal-mart, if he's on thatury and he hears some guy is spending that mucon rugs or i think there's an item in there he spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on clothing, someone like my dad or my mom are going to be absolutely flabbergasted by that. they're gng to tee mr. manafort as living high on the hog and the indictment saying he's not paying taxes, he's getting paid off by these foreigners it's not something that looks
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good for mr. manafort. you talked about the pressure on mr. gates. i think both of those men are under a lot of pressure. and the only thing that could relieve that pressure is a pardon from the president of the unit states. which is why you saw manafort's attorney coming out and making a very bombastic stement the other day attacking mueller and -- >> got to go. >> and sort of trying to play for a pardon. >> thank you, i appreciate it. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. i'll see you right back here tomorrow.
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good evening. thanks for joining us. we are in lower manhattan tonight, not far from where i'm standing is a bike path that so many people, myself included consider one of the best things about living here in new york city. stands in the shadow of the site

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