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new york city police say he rented a truck and ran people over on bike path. eight people were killed. 12 injured. one is still in critical condition. one survive or had to undergo an amputation. all of this information coming in today as the man according to police behind the carnage as acting in the name of isis. they say he left a note, a handwritten note in arabic in his truck. >> based on the investigation overnight, it appears that mr. sayfullo saipov had been planning this for a number of weeks. he did this in the name of isis. and along with the other items recovered at the scene was some notes that further indicate that. he appears to have followed almost exactly to a t instructions that isis has put out in social media channels
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before with instructions to their followers on how to carry out such a attack. >> investigators also say the suspect was not on the fbi radar but a source says he had been in contact with someone who was. this accused killer 29-year-old father of three came to the united states from uzbekistan back in 2010. we heard from the president calling for an end to allow this man to enter the u.s. in the first place. >> this man that came in, or whatever you want to call him, brought in with him other people. and he was the point of contact, the primary point of contact for, and this is preliminarily, 23 people that came in or potentially came in with him. and that's not acceptable. so we want to get rid of chain migration. >> our white house team is now trying to get more clarification
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about what the president meant regarding the 23 others. we have teams on the ground of course covering all angles of this horrific attack for you. cnn ryan young has talked to acquaintance of the suspect. and they are outside the home. athena, let me start with you. i can only imagine that place is covered in investigators trying to understand why and if any one else is involved. >> reporter: hi brooke. well, this street was blocked off when we arrived here several hours ago. and this street was full of investigators. there were at least a dozen fbi agents and other law enforcement out on this street. we saw them going in and out of this red brick building you see behind me. this is where sayfullo saipov lived with his wife and children. we saw them carrying various items out. hard to know what those items were. one was a rather large rectangular item. at another point looked like agents coming out with perhaps a stack of documents, at least
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shaped like sacks of documents. aen then later on we saw fbi agents wearing blue booties to protect their feet from contaminating the residence coming out with large black garbage bag. several hours ago we opened the streets, but there is still applies presence here. and brooke, we've been able to talk to some of the neighbors in the immediate vicinity. three people, none knew him well but they described him as nothing particularly remarkable. they have been seeing him around for perhaps a little more than a year. one 32-year-old man described him as pleasant. another neighbor two doors down by the nape of carlos said that he had been a peace maker at one point. this neighbor carlos got into a bit of an argument with two of his friends about six months ago when he, carlos, was riding a loud bike late at night and
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sayfullo saipov approached him to quiet down and it was sayfullo saipov this neighbor said who stepped in hand calmed things down. he was a peace maker in the words of this neighbor. so interesting details we are learning from the neighbors of this man, this suspect, this 29 yee 29-year-old uz beck national. >> neighbor says peacemaker. let's see what ryan young has spoken to this acquaintance of this alleged attacker. what does the acquaintance have to say? >> reporter: well, it seems like we are getting a little bit of a different story. he actually talks about a troubled young man, someone who was sometimes would get upset very easily. so that's something we heard from him saying that every now and then little things would upset him and felt like he was troubled. we have been talking to people
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in this community, brooke, and they have been very worried because they are concerned about this entire community around here. they don't want any of the blow back from this. they believe this sa good community where they haven't had troubles before now they are worried about people coming into this community trying to cause trouble. in fact we went to the local worship center and they'll have a news conference around 5:30 this afternoon to talk about the involvement in this area. in facts, they said they didn't see had imin this area very much, yes he did play soccer and show up to play. but not someone they saw all the time. also talked to a man who was a fellow truck driver who said he would see him around knew he had a family but never had their wives together or met like that. they would just see each other in the community. he said look he knew he was a troubled soul. he moved away to tampa, he got up one day and moved, and the fact they figured out he was in another uz back community and
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that's how they kebted it. people in this neighborhood were shocked by the idea this can happen. we have seen investigators in this this neighborhood this afternoon canvassing talking to folks. we are hoping to hear more from some of the people this afternoon as this community leaders come together and sort of talk about the ramifications of an attack like this and the fact that someone in this community could possibly connected to all of this. >> thanks ryan for talking to this, we know he was in ohio, and then in florida and new jersey. let's talk through the pieces with bob bear. the fact that he's alive and investigators are obviously trying to get him to talk. what are those key questions that they are going to want answers to? >> well, brooke, the first thing is, is there another pending attack, and that's what investigators always ask that first thing. doesn't sound like there is at this point. but once they move on from there, they are looking for
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connections to isis networks, which might be other places. they are going through cell phone. notebooks. it looks like at this point he's a lone wolf but they can't be sure about that until they actually talk to him. and uz becks are difficult insular people, so i don't think heel he'll be answering questions. over time they break down. but we'll see. >> how many years were you in u be uzbekistan? >> it was an awful place. i went around the mosque and speaking arabic to imans, a lot of them and actually got detabd by the kgb and took me to the hotel and said stay here, don't go out, it's dangerous. but i can tell you the uzbek
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islamic movement is very difficult to get inside. as we know, they joined al qaeda and joined the islamic state. they are ferocious fighters and caused problems in central asia. we don't know this man is connected to those groups. but on the face of it they are suspect. it's profiling, it just happens, brooke, but theus be uz beck ar particularly susceptible to this. >> what did that interrogation look like? >> i think the best way is you'll see a friendly face. and as the israeli do so well, they'll bring in a cleric to talk to him about islam. clearly he wasn't very educated in it. explain to him why he was misguided. and over time it will break down. he shouldn't be sent to guantanamo. you are not going to get anything out of him there. but i think nypd sent some vet
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o investigators that know islam. you might get somewhere. that's the best chance. >> okay. bob, thank you so much. again, watching and waiting for the white house daily briefing to start. president trump has made news today on multiple fronts with regard to this terror attack in new york city. let me bring in dana bash, chris, and former department of assistant secretary in the george w. bush julie myers wood. good to see all of you. >> welcome to washington. >> thank you. good to be here. as we wait to see sarah huckabee sanders you know she's going to be asked about the visa program which is apparently how this 29-year-old got in the country in the first place in 2010 i believe it was and how president trump is today saying over. what are your questions about that? >> well, one of my first questions is he's saying, okay, we are done with this lottery.
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it's called a lottery. and it's supposed to be. >> diversity vista program. >> and it's done on a lottery basis. and intent was to get people who are coming from countries where the u.s. doesn't have a lot of immigration into this country. and but the way that the president described it earlier, it made it sound like there is just kind of a lottery. and if you win the lottery you can pack your bgs and get in 1, 2, 3 which is not how it works. >> right. >> it works, or at least supposed to work the way other immigration and visa programs do, which is a lot of scrutiny and questions and basic fundamental rules that have to be followed in order to be able to get in here. now, if there is a problem with that system across the board, that's something that certainly needs to be looked into. but it seems to me, and certainly the more we learn and
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know about this particular individual, is it's not necessarily where he came from. it's what happened to him when he was here. >> right. >> that he used the internet and got radicalized. we don't know. but i think it seems to me, and we'll see what happens on capitol hill, that the first question is is this easy politics to do this? because it's something that people can quickly relate to and people can say, oh, good, we'll at least have a solution. but a solution to the wrong problem perhaps? maybe. >> right. so jim acosta making the point, talking about injecting politics not even 24 hours after this attack happened in lower manhattan. and to you on how dana pointed out this is the sweeping change that the president wants to make after this horrendous attack. it's a horrendous attack in tribeca in new york. but look at that compared to las vegas. nearly 500 people hurt. 58 people killed.
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when the media was asking the white house over and over, what about changing gun laws, bump stock, not ready to talk about it or go there. how can they be both? >> the simple answer, brooke, is when an event, tragedy fits into his donald trump preconceived view of politics, policy and the world, then he speaks out on it quickly. when it doesn't, when it's not in his interests, he doesn't. gun control, domestic terrorism, las vegas, these are not things that donald trump talked about on the campaign trail and put front and center. isis, international terrorism, immigration law, these are all things he talked about extensively. go down to how he described the two people. las vegas shooter wires crossed in his mind. paraphrasing but that's basically it. today repeatedly this animal.
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yes, there is no question that for donald trump's basis, it's good politics. i always keep coming back to this though. being president doesn't mean saying things that your base likes. of course a president this is true of barack obama, george bush, so be mindful of it. but donald trump there has never been a difference between candidate trump and president trump in any meaningful way. and we have not seen that ever before in a president. and i'll say in the modern era. because i always put modern era because zachary taylor may have mixed politics and policy. i can't speak to it. >> oh, come on you were there. >> it's true. i aged extremely well. but this is a different thing. it's important to pause in moments like this and say this is not a normal thing we have seen before. >> how about the fact that the president said the justice system is a joke? >> well, that's really an
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unfortunate statement. and certainly now i hope that the nypd, fbi, other hsi who are there can try to get this man to talk. we need all the information we can. and certainly there have been great successes in the criminal justice system. but i understand he's frustrated. we are all frustrated. it's a terrible tragedy. i would say the diversity lottery system this has not something been popular among republicans, it's rampant with fraud. >> had its issues. >> it's time for it to go, aside from this attack, time to go. so i don't blame him from raising that point. but i agree there are larger itch ooh us that need to be looked at how to prevent these attacks. >> and the point here is when he does the we are going to guilty rid get rid of this, he rob's it good or bad and makes this broad sweeping. whereas let's be honest, if donald trump had said on the las vegas shooting was october 1th, let's say on october 5th donald
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trump was asked about bump stocks he says we'll look into it. if he said we need it get rid of this and i'm going to call on the alcohol firearms to do it. that's what they want. they would do it. >> here she is. sarah huckabee sanders at the white house. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. i'm going to start by offering our thoughts and prayers today with the people of new york city. some of the toughest most resill e end people on earth. this under course the terror attack is real. as we do isis a broad we must be vigilant in our country. inspiring such attacks through hateful propaganda has always been isis and other strategy. this under goes the need for careful vetting who enters our country. there are hundreds of active law enforcement investigations into
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foreign nationals suspected of engaging inter rhythm and we must vet those seeking entry into the united states thoroughly. last night hours after the attack a million new yorkers including families with their children marched through the city for a halloween parade. their message was heard loud and clear. the american spirit will never be broken. those who hope we will succumb to fear will never get what they want. and those who seek to divide us will only bring us closer together. in the midst of the attack, new york city finest, incredible police hand first responders, rushed to the aid of their fellow citizens. they did their duty. ran into danger so that others could run away to safety and performed like the heros this were born to be. specifically, officer ryan nash, five year veteran of the nypd was among the first to respond to the scene. and fired the shot that stopped the attacker from continuing the violence. he's ha hero. but that doesn't come as a surprise to most of his colleagues. already received two awards
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during his young career. one for excellent police duty and another for other police action. yesterday he earned something that could never be properly displayed by a ribbon or a metal. he earned the never ending thanks of a grateful nation. the president has vowed to defend our country, protect our communities and put the safety of americans first. this is the oath he took as president and that is his sacred pledge to the citizens of our country. with that, i'll take your questions. john? >> sarah, in the hours and in fact days after the horrific shooting in las vegas, president said now is not the time to talk about policy and politics. that is for another time. we have to mourn the death. yet this morning he got into a political argument with chuck schumer on twitter literally hours after the incident yesterday. why was he so quick to go the political route and point fingers at chuck schumer at the
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point this person was in the country at all? >> look, this wasn't going political route. this is something the president has been talking about for a new policy. this isn't a new policy or conversation. the prase has been talking about extreme vetting and the need for that for the purpose of protecting the citizens of this country long before he was a president. this isn't a new argument or position. and this wasn't new for the president to speak about it. >> we heard today about 11:30 this morning from the mayor and governor of new york who said at that time the president has yet to call. has the president called them? >> the president has spoken with both the mayor and governor of new york. >> sarah, why wasn't u beck stan on the travel ban list? >> congress helped play a role in determining a lot of those factors in placing specific
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priorities on different countries. and that would be the reason that they weren't part of that. >> are you calling for u beck stan to be put on the willist? >> that may be something that's looked at but not at this time but certainly haven't ruled it out. >> i'm curious as to why? >> there are again a lot of criteria we use to determine which countries should be on there. and they haven't been determined as one of the countries yet. but i'm not saying that that's not been ruled out either. jordan. >> on senator shchumer, can you tell us when the last time they spoke. >> and more broadly president said he is responsible in part for the attack. >> before you go any further the president has not blamed senator shum mana shoe mana schumer and responsible for the attack. we feel very strongly the individual carried out the attack is responsible and no one
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else. however we do feel there are policies that help american citizens. we have been talking about those for a long tim and continue to push and advocate for those policies. >> does the president still seek sh schumer. >> i think if he is willing to do that on vetting we'll welcome his support on that. john? >> thanks a lot, sarah. the president was asked a little earlier when meeting with cabinet about the possibility of sending this terror suspect to the detention facility at guantanamo bay, cuba. and he said he indeed is open to that. does the president believe he has authority as commander in chief to sent this to gitmo. that's my first question. and what advantages does the president see in sending this terror suspect to guantanamo bay, cuba? >> look, the point he was making is he supports or would support that but wasn't necessarily advocating for it but would
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certainly support it if he felt that was the best way. >> are there advantages in terms of sending any terror suspect to guantanamo? >> that's a question we would have to dive into deeper and talk with interagency process before answering that. matthew? >> thanks, sarah. the president said last night that he ordered dhs to step up quote already extreme vetting. i'm wondering if you can tell us specifically about what extreme vetting entails? and if there is any indication ta it might have had impact on preventing yesterday's attack? >> sure. some of the specifics for extreme vetting would be enhancing the collection and review of bio metric and biographical data. improving intelligence screen. and verification. improving information sharing with partner nations and foreign law enforcement. and intelligence services. and over all heightened scrutiny and thorough review procedures for cbp and other agencies that would play a role in that process. >> sarah, separate from the
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guantanamo bay question, does the president think he should be classified as enemy combatant? >> i would think that, yes. >> would say not to charge him in federal court and therefore use the powers of enemy combatant and that status to treat him differently not only in terms of interrogation but prosecution? >> i don't believe that term nas has been made. i think that's something we'll wait until we get further into the process. >> not having him charged at all in federal court? >> again, i said we haven't made that determination so i won't speak to that. >> you said you are open to the enemy combatant thing. >> i said we would consider him that but in terms of how we would process, yes. >> on what basis? >> i think the actions he took certainly justify that. >> does the status influence that determination? >> not that i'm aware of. >> sarah, i want to follow up on the question john was asking you earlier.
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you are making the case these are not policies he's talking about. and yet the question still remains. he is delving into a policy and political discussion. he and you were clear after the las vegas discussion it wasn't appropriate to talk about policy. so what's the difference now? >> i said it wasn't appropriate to politicize the conversation. which i don't believe we are. we are talking about protecting american lives. and there are things that this president has consistently and repeatedly talked about, advocated for, pushed for, introduced executive orders for, supported legislation for. time and time again since long before he was even president of the united states that support this position. it's not a new position. there are facts that we know about this horrific tragedy that we know caused some of the things in this horrific tragedy that i think determine what those policy positions he's been advocating for long before yesterday are very consistent
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with activity that could have prevented something like this from happening. >> the president said the chuck shoe mana schumer name so how can you say that? >> he has done these opposing policies, so i think that is very basic fact. >> [ inaudible question ] is he failing to unify the country? >> he helped implement them on the front end long before that. and it would have only addressed one part of that question as we talked about many times before. he might have helped isolate one part of the problem but exacerbated so many other parts of the problem that fall within our immigration system. if you only address one part and not in the totality of it and in throw dues a fully and more responsible immigration reform like the president has proposed and outlined, then you are not addressing the problem and not fixing the problem. only making things worse. >> when he's talking about
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quicker and greater punishment, is he just talking about better enforcement of laws that currently currently exist? or extra judicial process and are you looking at doing executive order that would empower him? would he make something like that public? or would you consider doing a secret order? and very quickly i also want to ask you is he really serious about tiger the obamacare? >> very different questions. let me try to address the first part in terms of i believe he was voicing his frustration with the lengthy process that often comes about a case like this. so i think that was simply the point he was making. in terms of the mandate we are focused on pushing through tax cuts and tax reforms separately. obviously we have never made it a secret we would like to repel and replace obamacare. we would still like to do that. but we still think it's probably
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more likely to do something like that in the spring. >> sarah, police commissioner said the suspect. [ inaudible question ] in the name of isis. governor cuomo said he was associated with isis. how account president make the case we are annihilating isis when a case like this occurs? >> i don't think there is any way you can discredit the progress that has been made on isis with total defeat taking place in taking away their strong holds in both raqqa and m mo mosul. but as that happens you have people splintering off. and we are continue to do that. another reason president wants to implement extreme vetting to keep people out of our country
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that want to do us extreme harm. >> the president said earlier on. [ inaudible question ] what did he mean by stocking the process? >> just that, we'll continue pushing for and advocating for getting rid of this program. something he's talked about. we would like to see the lottery visa program not be part of any immigration system that we have in this country. >> just to follow up on margaret question. so the president isn't considering any broader criminal justice reform? >> as i said, we'll look at other specific ways to deal with it. but right now simply voicing his frustration with the lengthy process. >> follow up question on john decker's question. the criterion that you listed for enhanced vetting sounds very much like that for a national id card, subject that comes up every few years but never acted
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on. is the administration in favor of a national id card as pardon of the enhanced vetting? >> look, we have laid out what our principles and priorities are and we'll work with congress on determining the best way to make those specific pieces of legislation. but the things that i outlined or what we'd like to see and whether or not what form that comes in that's yet to be determined. but those are the principles we'd like to see take place in any extreme vetting program. >> you are not ruling out a national id card? right but also not saying that we are fully that. i'm saying we laid out principles and priorities we'd like to see and think are important in extreme voting program. >> between time the president set the tweet out last night saying that he's called for a step up of extreme vetting until now, can you layout exactly what has been stepped up in that time frame? >> look, i think he's taking a call to action. i know he's spoken several times with members of his national security team to look and see
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what specific things can be done. but we have put in place executive orders already since the president has taken office that help gr as far as we can at this point. >> and tax reform if i can, it's possible that one of the things that republicans are looking at right now is drastically lowering the cap for 401(k). the administration has consistently said that this tax plan has to help the middle class. so how would bringing down the cap on 401(k) help the middle class? >> look, we are continuing to work with the house. i think every day this week with you guys here in the media. i'm going to let the economic team here at the white house work with members of both the house and senate to put forth the best bill possible. we also are making sure the priorities that we've laid out including helping the middle class are part of the final piece of legislation. we support where we are in the process right now. we are going to continue working with both the house and senate to make sure we get there. >> thank you, sarah.
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on the tax cut bill, what does the president want that to be called? reports he wants to call it the cut cut cut act. is that accurate? >> look, i think the president, if it's called the cut cut bill, great. i think that the biggest priority that he has is making sure it does what he's laid out or his priorities in that piece of legislation that's providing tax relief for middle class, that's making it more fair and simple. those are the things that he's mostly focused on. if it's called cut cut cut and includes massive tax cuts like this president is proposing i think we would be perfectly fine with that name. >> reserve chair fed is a man or woman? >> no, i cannot tell you that. but i can once again echo that it's not major garrett again today. still consistent on that. >> president talks about wanting merit based immigration today and then criticized the diversity of the visa program. is he aware it does have a merit
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base component to it? >> look, there may be a component of it it. but the fact that we have a lottery system that randomly decides who gets the greatest opportunity in the world. one of the best things that we have in this country is the fact that everybody wants to be here. and to give that away randomly to have no vetting system, to have no way to determine who comes, why they are here, and if they want to contribute to the society is a problem. and the president strongly supports making sure that the people that come here want to be here for the right reasons. and not to bring harm to our country. and i don't think that's something that any american shouldn't want to support. jim? >> people are reigninged anked job. >> whole idea is they are randomly selected. >> certain rankings. >> it's the lowest level of criteria through the lottery system. so to try to argue this is a system that thoroughly vets people shows a total lack of
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understanding what this process is. >> comments since the gentleman one apparently has been accused of terrorist attack. will they create a problem? >> there may be more. look all i know is you can't randomly select people and not have them vetted. and not have the ability to see if they want to do good or bad things. i don't think it's unreasonable to ask people who want to come to this country go through a vetting process that when they get here they won't harm the society. >> why did the president call the u.s. justice system laughing stomp. >> he didn't stay that. he said the process has people calling us a joke and calling us a laughing stock. look, i think as i told margaret simply pointing out his
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frustration of how long that this process takes, how costly this process is. and particularly for someone to be a known terrorist, that process should move faster. that's the frustration he has. >> other folks have a couple of questions each. getting back to george papadopoulos, does the president recall at that march 31st, 2016 meeting at national security advisory board mr. papadopoulos suggesting the meeting between then candidate trump and vladimir putin? does he recall that. >> no, i don't believe he does. april? >> sarah, two questions. first, mary francis barry head of the commission of civil rights says everyone wants vetting but to stop people from coming because they come from different country is totally wrong. what say you? >> nobody said because they come from a different country. i think that's the whole definition of immigration is they wouldn't be u.s. citizens. we certainly haven't said that
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immigration as a whole should be outlawed. >> lottery is specifically for those coming from other nations that you are not favoring right now because you believe there is a possibility of terrorism. >> i believe we have a fundamental right to protect the people of this country. and if we see or think that someone is a threat to united states citizens, that we should take every precaution that we can to protect the people of this country. and i don't think most persons would disagree with that. in fact, most americans do support extreme vetting, and certainly support the protection of the citizens of this country. >> second question. last question. compromise, issue of compromise, what is the definition of compromise as it relates to slavery and the civil war? >> look, i'm not going to get in and relitigate the civil war. like i told you yesterday. i think i've addressed the concerns that a lot of people had and the questions that you
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had. and i'm not going to relitigate history here. >> still lingering when you left. so i'm going to ask the question again. >> why don't you ask it in a way that apparently you are cuesing me of. >> i'm not ha cuesing. i'm asking the question, seriously, sarah. the question is does this administration believe, do this president believe slavery was wrong? and before you answer, mary francis barry, historian said in 1860 there was a compromise. the compromise was to have southern states keep slavery but the confederacy fired on fort sumner that caused civil war. and because of the civil war what happened. >> i think it is disgusting and absurd to suggest that anyone inside of this building would support slavery. peter? >> yesterday from that podium you said all of our leaders have flaws, washington, jefferson, roosevelt and kennedy. what are president trump's flaws? >> probably that he has to deal with you guys on a daily basis.
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>> in fairness he doesn't deal with us every day. >> most every day he does. >> simple question. >> i just gave you one. >> tray? >> thanks sarah. two questions fwor you, what does the future of guantanamo bay look like under the trump administration? >> i don't have any announcements or adjustments to policy at this point. >> on last night can you tell us more about how the president found out about the terror attack in new york city? how he responded? trying to get a better understanding where he was at this time what he was doing and what actions he took following the news? >> the president was in the oval office when this took place. and he was first briefed by general kelly shortly after it happened. >> i'll taking one last question. >> thank you, sarah. >> right here. will preston, will president trump look for enforcing ant
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anti-tore rhythm majors during his visit to asia? and also will he call them? >> i believe he is working between the two teams to set that up in the countries. in terms of looking at conversations around anti-terrorism that will certainly be discussed throughout the trip over the next several days. and as i've said earlier this week, general mcmaster will be here tomorrow to discuss the trip in more detail and depth for the briefing tomorrow. thanks so much. and have a good day. we'll let you know later today what time that should be. but both will most likely take place in the afternoon. thanks, guys. >> all right. so in this first white house briefing since the terror attack in new york, along the headlines the white house says that president trump is not politicizing the attack and not
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blaming senator chuck shchumer for leading up to the attack. and defend the president immediate calls for legislation even though he didn't do that after las vegas when 500 people were hurt and 58 people killed. so back with me dana bash. dana, to you first, it's hard to see how the president wasn't politicizing this attack with his tweets this morning. >> well, certainly, going after chuck schumer the deck cratic leader in the senate who happens to be the senior senator from the state of new york where this attack took place, of course it's political and at this point, you know, both men are being political. and it is unfortunate. because this was kind of a last thing of political free zone, even 24 hours after a terror attack where you had people come together on both sides of the aisle, that didn't happen in
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this case. but i do think that the response that you heard from sarah huckabee sanders about something that you were bringing up earlier in the show, brooke, about the difference. >> two reactions. >> different reaction that the president had on legislation particularly, not proposing legislation after las vegas. and now, yes, she said this idea of getting away with this lottery program, the special immigration lottery program is something that the president was thinking about before. but, look, at the end of the day let's get real. he can continue to push that because it is easy politics. oh, my god this guy came over on this special immigration program, okay, we'll get away with it. ps, i'm doing something about this. and it was not so cut and dried at all after las vegas. because the man who perpetrated this was not kind of an easy thing to understand other than as the president said his wires
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were crossed. and he certainly is very, very cautious about going there on anything having to do with gun control, even something like the bump stock issue, which has a lot of bipartisan support. >> right. >> so, yes, of course, there is politics in the washington. there is politics in the white house even. and not just this white house but past white houses in general. even unfortunately in the wake of tragedy. >> julia, i want to ask you in a second how she was talking about maybe a lack of vetting on this diversity have i diversi diversity visa program. and there was sarah huckabee sanders basically defending the president saying that. >> yeah, i mean, it's just frustrating candidly, brooke to watch this. the white house is to defend the president interest and spin. that's the nature of the beast.
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but donald trump said it's a laughing stock. it's a joke. he didn't say people say it's a laughing stock or a joke. you can literally just go become and watch it. you can read a transcript of it. i mean, this is not a debate over what he said. it's very clear what he said. it's like me saying, hey, brooke, do you went an apple? then five minutes later i asked for a banana. >> we have it. >> you may have picked up that reference. >> i got that. apples and bananas. let me play the sound in case people haven't heard the president. roll it. >> we also have to come up with punishment that's far quicker and far greater than the punishment these animals are getting right now. they'll go through court for years. at the end they'll be who knows what happens. we need quick justice and we need strong justice. much quicker and much stronger
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than we have right now. because what we have right now is a joke and it's a laughing stock. and no wonder so much of this stuff takes place. >> it's a joke. it's a laughing stock. >> it's right there. this is the point. you can say if you are sarah huckabee sanders look the president is saying this tickle meant of the immigration system is a joke. you can say lots of things. but what you can't say is well he was saying many people think it's a joke. that's not how it works. and when you are the president of the united states the words you use matter. he called it an animal or wires crossed or laughing stock. i mean, what continues to amaze me is this administration exaggerates, misstates, and sometimes out right lies about things that are easily checkable. that's the thing i don't get.
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i know part of the president's supporters will say just because we are saying it's a fact. it's not. but for the broader american populous, you have to it be able to see that what he said a few hours ago and what sarah huckabee sanders is saying he said is not the same thing. >> let's get the facts. this is why we have you. because a lot of people reading about this and tuning in today trying to figure out what it is. so listening to sarah huckabee sanders she was painting it almost like a random lottery system. not an appropriate way to vet people. how does it work truly? >> it's pretty clear that our vetting on imgriggs has not been sufficient. if you think back to san bernardino we were flot doing sufficient vetting to monitoring. it's not clear here in this
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instance in 2010 the vetting done was in sufficient. but it has been a program. so for a long time many parts of the u.s. government have pushed to kind of stop this program. i think it is important to think about what sort of vetting are we doing. are we really connecting all the dots, not only when someone is applying to come over here, but once they are here. and that's where i'm concerned is that did the u.s. government focus enough and think enough about his relationships, looking at the social media, really tracking his profile. we need to reverse engineer this and figure it out to try to prevent it again. and the justice system, we need the justice sigs tystem to do t >> and you were making the point before the briefing there were issues with this vista program already. do you think quickly it should be ended? >> i do. i do. i don't think it really brings to the u.s. the type of people that we want to have come there.
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it allows us to make the choice. so i think it's out lived its purpose. and i think immigration reform, part of it should be ending that and focusing on the types of workers and skills we need to make our country stronger. >> and dana, just on the politics of that, weren't we saying earlier not only this has been an issue with republicans, i mean democrats would support that as well. yes? >> likely. likely. just like democrats and republicans came together to create this, this program, in the first place. you know, obviously there should be questions asked about any program that ended up with somebody in this country who did what he did yesterday. it would be irresponsible not to ask that question. but it seems to me that the broader question is what julie just asked is, is the vetting process in general strong enough. is it adequate? because i mean julie can correct
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me if i'm wrong, my understanding is no matter how the person is picked, once the person is on his or her way coming here the vetting process is spoeszed to be the same across the board. sarah huckabee sanders made it sound like if you are in this lottery program you don't get v vetted. i don't imagine that being accurate. >> that's not right. there certainly is vetting. and in fact due to accusations of fraud the state department increased vetting back a few years ago on this program. but i think we can recognize across the board that the vetting has been somewhat in sufficient thinking about social media and other sorts of things. and really again once he's here, what are we doing once he's here, who is he talking with, what are we finding out. that's what we need to do. hopefully we can get someone in there to talk to him and tleel talk to us. >> thank you so much. thanks for playing musical chairs with me as well. more breaking news here on cnn. this acquaintance of the alleged new york attacker speaking out to cnn describing the suspect
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adviser jeff sessions who ruled it out. so with me, cnn political analyst josh greene. he is a national correspondent for bloomberg business week and the author of "delve's bargain" which details the relationship between president trump and the former strategist steve bannon. josh greene, so on the note that it was ultimately sessions who said no to this trump/putin meeting, does he sound like the coffee boy, as has been transcribed of htribe described of his role? >> well, no, it doesn't. if he's a senior foreign policy adviser. if he's sitting next to jeff sessions, the future attorney general at meetings, clearly he was somebody who was listened to by the staff. i don't think we have any indication on anything that has been released publicly yet that they were taking his advice, that anyone from the campaign did meet with a niece of putin or whatever the latest charge is. but clearly this is a guy who had access to trump, to sessions
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and to a lot of the principals on the trump campaign. >> you know steve bannon better than most, right? we know about your book. you wrote this piece for "the new yorker" that bannon has always encouraged the president to put up a fight against the special counsel bob mueller. i'm quoting, i believe the quote was throw some effing hey makers, although now the news today that president trump will not take bannon's advice. what did you make of that? >> for now, well, look -- >> for now, you say. >> back in may, bannon was deputized by trump. this when he's still in the white house. it my back from saudi arabia and set up an outside legal entity because trump had woken up to the threat that mueller's investigation posed. so bannon came up with a model based on bill clinton's white house that told him, look, we need real lawyers on the outside, outside the white house so they can aggressively confront the prosecutors that we're going to be facing. he brought in marc kasowitz,
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trump's lawyer, and pretty quickly that operation fell apart. the lawyers that have replaced them, john dow, ty cobb, have taken a much more conciliatory strategy towards mueller. that's something that has been -- it's premised on the the idea that investigators aren't going to find any kind of collusion. what we can see from papadopoulos' guilty plea is at the very least there were attempts at collusion. think that's something that trump and his legal team need to worry about. >> josh greene, thank you so much. before i go, let me turn to the reason i am sitting here in washington, d.c. in the first place. i was just absolutely honored this morning to sit in the afghan embassy with the former first lady laura bush, who is so generous and the current first lady of afghanistan. the first ladies are on capitol hill today talking to lawmakers about their work as co-chairs of the u.s./afghan women's council. a group helping to return to afghan women the voice they lost really under the taliban rule. i started our wide-ranging
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conversation about their work to help empower afghan women. >> mrs. bush and mrs. ghani, thank you so much for spending time with me this morning. and first, just mrs. bush, you know, we know you are so dedicated to women's issues, but it was especially after 9/11 we remember the radio address and your passion for afghan women specifically. but for people who don't know, why afghanistan? >> well, after september 11th when the spotlight turned on afghanistan, american women were shocked, really, at the plight of the life of women in afghanistan. i mean, at that time women couldn't walk out on the street by themselves. they were not allowed to be educated. which is really shocking. and what you see when half of a population is left out, like it was then in afghanistan, is a failed country. and that's what we saw. and, of course, afghan women really have a very, very long
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history of being strong women and what we've gotten to see since then is afghan women bloom across afghanistan. >> as the co-chairs of the u.s./afghan women's council you're in washington, d.c. for a very important reason today. mrs. ghani, you know, to you. the u.s./afghanistan relationship is very important, specially when we talk about empowering women. what is your message to american lawmakers in washington today? >> what i would like to say is that during those now almost 16 years, our women have progressed tremendously in afghanistan. >> how? >> they're more visible. you start seeing women in government organization. you start seeing them in the private sector. we have now a, for example, a women's chamber of commerce. we have many more girls studying. we have them also at the university.
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so women are a little bit everywhere. but what is really very important is that it's not just that they're being visible, they're also starting to speak up. >> for women in this country, i'd be remised to not ask about this watershed moment for women in america. the strength of women, and i should also point out men now speaking up. there has been a watershed moment on speaking up against sexual harassment. you're a mother. you're a mother of two girls. what is your message to women in this country? >> i don't have a message particularly to my girls. i know how strong barbara and jenna are. they respect themselves and they expect respect from the people they associate with, and i think that's what american women should do. >> what about just the reports about your father-in-law, president george h.w. bush, and he acknowledged, he apologized, do you have any reaction to
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that? >> well, i'm just sad that we've come to this. that was something that was very, very innocent that he's been accused of. but i know he would feel terrible. he would never in any way hurt anybody. >> your daughters left notes for the obama girls when you all left the white house, and i'm just curious if you as a -- i mean eight years in the white house, did you as the last republican administration leave anything for melania? have you had any conversations with the current first lady? >> sure. i've talked to melania. i've been back. i had tea with her and saw all the staff. she very nicely had all of the white house staff standing around the oval of the diplomatic reception room, because the people that work there, that's their job always. they're permanent employees. so i got to say hello to the chef and to the butlers and to the ushers and all the people that work there. >> any message to melania in particular that you can share? >> she did a lovely job. she's a beautiful woman. she's a wonderful representative
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for the united states. >> lastly, it's a very different administration than that of you and your husband in eight years. what is it like watching the trump administration? >> well, i wish them the very, very best. i know what it's like to live there. i know how difficult every decision is and what the scrutiny is by everyone that has an opinion. every single person has an opinion on the people that live there and i'm certainly aware of that. i wish them the very best. and i think that's what every american should wish for the people that live in the white house, since they are our house, since they are our president and our first family. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> they joined us to share in conversation, share their amazing stories about overcoming odds in this particular country. you know, especially through an education that kept coming up.
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education is empowerment for these women and entrepreneurship and working with the first ladys to really pay to forward. we're going to have those inspiring stories for you on cnn.com. i'm brooke baldwin here in washington, d.c. thank you so much for being with me. we're going to send to to jake tapper. "the lead" starts right now. thanks, brooke. president trump says the process through which we prosecute terrorists in this country is a laughing stock and a joke. "the lead" starts right now. a man who rented a truck commits the deadliest attack on new york since 9/11. today, new information on the suspected radical islamic terrorist who was taken alive and pledged allegiance to isis. his plan and his path to radicalization here in the united states. new today, president trump doesn't rule out sending the suspect to gitmo and calls for an end to the diversity visa lottery program. will congress go along? plus,