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mystery. he had three passports and travelled with a cell phone under a phony name. why all the subterfuge for president trump's former campaign chairman? good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we're going to start with the national lead today and the latest into the investigation into yesterday's deadly terrorist attack in lower manhattan. officials say charges will likely be filed today against sayfullo saipov, the suspected radical islamic thrift who seems to have been inspired though not necessarily directed by isis and apparently was planning yesterday's attack for weeks. saipov, authorities say, rented a home depot truck in new jersey and drove it down a busy bicycle path along the west side highway, hopping a curb at west houston street and plowing several blocks towards the site of the world trade center attacks in 2001. he killed eight innocent people and injured 20 others. nine remain in the hospital. some in critical condition. cnn's jason carroll starts us
off near the attack scene. >> be advised, we have multiple people on the ground from chambers all the way up to houston. >> reporter: it is the deadliest terror attack in new york since 9/11. authorities say it took just four minutes, but had been planned for weeks. >> this was the actions of a depraved coward. >> he appears to have followed almost exactly to a "t" the instructions that isis has put out in its social media. >> reporter: the alleged attacker is 29-year-old uzbek national sayfullo saipov. eyewitness video shows him brandishing fake guns immediately after tuesday's attack before police shot him. >> we have the vehicle at chambers and west. >> reporter: multiple knives and a note pledging allegiance to isis left at the scene. >> the gist of the note was that the islamic state would endure forever. >> reporter: this as sources say the married father of three was not on any terror watch list.
>> mr. saipov has never been the subject of an nypd intelligence bureau investigation, nor has he been the subject of an fbi investigation. >> reporter: as investigators execute search warrants at saipov's home in new jersey, we are learning more about his past. he entered the united states from uzbekistan in march of 2010 under a diversity migrant visa. he later worked as a truck driver with stints in ohio and florida. a neighbor at his former residence in tampa says he and his family moved out abruptly three or four months ago. most recently, he lived here in new jersey, where he was hired as an uber driver less than a year ago. uber tells cnn, saipov passed the company's background checks despite a previous misdemeanor offense and traffic citations in other states. those who know him say they are shocked by tuesday's grizzly attack. >> translator: we didn't see characteristics of a terrorist in him.
he was an aggressive young man with a romantic sense of adventure. >> reporter: authorities say the suspect rented the truck used in the attack from this location in new jersey tuesday at 2:06 p.m. at 3:04, he began his mile-long massacre between houston and chambers street in manhattan. shortly after the truck crashed into a school bus, 28-year-old nypd officer ryan nash shot the suspect in the abdomen. >> dozens more lives could have been in danger. ryan stopped that threat immediately. we owe him a great debt of gratitude. >> reporter: more police to subway stations and public stations. the city's mayor is urging locals to carry on. >> do what you do best. be new yorkers. show the whole world right now that we will not be moved by terror. >> reporter: and, jake, police say the suspect is talking. they interviewed him at his hospital bed in bellevue.
they're also going to be interviewing anyone else who may have known him, his wife, his family, his friends, associates, anyone who might have more information about how exactly he became radicalized. jake? >> all right, jason carroll in manhattan for us. thank you so much. today, president trump attacked the process through which the u.s. prosecutes suspected terrorists. he called it a joke and he called it a laughing stock. additionally, he said he'd consider sending the new york terror suspect whom he called an animal to guantanamo bay, cuba, for his trial. that as he also called on congress to help get rid of the diversity immigration visa program that allowed the suspect to come from uzbekistan in 2010. >> we need strength, we need resolve. we have to stop it. so we're going to get rid of this lottery program as soon as possible. he came in through the diversity program, as you know, and we're going to stop that. >> president george h.w. bush signed that visa program as part
of a more comprehensive immigration law in 1990. it randomly awards visas in select countries with low immigration numbers to promote diversity. senate minority leader chuck schumer, democrat of new york, was in the house at the time. he was credited with coming up with the concept, though in recent years schumer has tried to replace that with a merit-based system. cnn's sara murray joins me live now at the white house. sara, after the las vegas shooting, the white house cautioned folks against any politicization of the plaurt. but this morning we got some very pointed comments from the president about immigration laws and also about senator chuck schumer. >> reporter: that's right, jake. and usually this tough tone is something the president reserves for his political opponents or for foreign enemies, but today he even used it when talking about the u.s. justice system. listen to what the president said. >> we need quick justice and we need strong justice. much quicker and much stronger. than we have right now. because what we have right now is a joke.
and it's a laughing stock. >> reporter: now, in the press briefing just now, sarah sanders still insisted the president is not politicizing this tragedy. saying there is a difference between playing politics and discussing policy. this in spite of the fact that the president took to twitter to call out chuck schumer as well as democrats more broadly in the wake of this attack in new york, jake. >> all right. sara murrayy, thanks so much. lots to discuss with my terror panel. phil mudd, juliette kayyem, the former assistant secretary in the department of homeland security and retired congressman mike rogers. phil, let me start with you. does the diversity visa lottery do any good? is it worth considering the u.s. getting rid of it? >> look, this is a very for politicians and for americans thinking about american culture as an immigrant society. as a counterterrorism professional, i don't think people in my industry would view people coming into that program as a particular threat. if you look at the people who are threats in this country over time, you're talking about native american -- people who
are american citizens who are radicalized after they are born here or people, for example, in this case who came to this country and i believe we'll find who were radicalized after they came to this country. i doubt this individual was radicalized before seven years ago. so if you're looking at the question of whether it epps us from a counterterrorism or security perspective to keep immigrants out from some of these countries, i don't think it's a significant threat. >> chairman rogers, what do you think? >> yeah, i mean, i don't think it's the threat we need to get up and worry about every day. i believe in a merit-based system. i think even senator chuck schumer said we need to move to a merit-based system on the immigration system. i think it's probably a debate to have later. throwing that political bombshell right in the middle of the aftermath of a, you know, the most significant terrorist attack in new york since 9/11 probably not the right answer. but, again, i think in calmer heads should prevail. i think they were moving to a
merit-based system any and i probably would support that. >> juliette, let me ask you, president trump said today that our justice system for punishing terrorists is a, quote, joke and a laughing stock and he said he would consider sending the suspect to guantanamo bay. what do you think? >> so it's not even clear what jurisdiction he would have or guantanamo bay would have to cover this case. just to remind people, guantanamo bay was created as a sort of judicial entity because of the challenge of the captures we were making in afghanistan and later on in iraq. in the theater of war, you couldn't find evidence these were hostile militants against the united states. there was a process built there for military commissions. the united states justice system is really good against terrorists. just ask tsarnaev, just ask dylann roof. there are a lot of people facing the death penalty. it is strong. it knows how to deal with evidence. and in this case, there is no -- there is nothing different about the evidence. nothing different about the
courts that would justify taking it legally to guantanamo bay. i think the president is making a political argument, not a legal argument. one quick thing, if you want the terrorists to win, you have them abandon our judicial system, which is the envy of the world. this is a case that the new york judicial system can handle. the federal judicial system can handle. >> chairman rogers, as you know, gitmo is not exactly known for its speed. in fact, they have yet to prosecute suspected 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed or hold a trial for the suspected terrorist who bombed the "uss cole" in the year 2000. why would sending this terror suspect to gitmo be better than trying him in the u.s. courts? >> yeah, let me go out on a limb here, jake. i think the president may have gotten a mix up here. there was a lot of debate early on, i think juliette summed it up pretty well, about what you
do with enemy combatants taken off the battlefield. and many of us, me included, argued you don't bring them back to the u.s. justice system and then house them in the united states. we had to have an alternative, which is why gitmo and other facilities were talked about and developed and discussed. this is someone who has legal standing in the united states, like it or not, and i think that the legal system is the absolutely right place for this individual to go through. and i think there are some 650 different terrorists sitting in jail right now because of the very tough u.s. legal system. and even the cases which i didn't agree with, by the way, under the obama administration, where they went and extracted individuals, some of them foreigners and brought them back to the united states for trial, went through the process here and are either in jail or headed to jail. so american justice system does work. i think the president mixed up those debates. you want enemy combatants overseas to be dealt with different, completely agree. you want the u.s. justice system
to operate the way it is. and i think he may have merged those two issues. >> phil, let me ask you, officials said the terrorist has never been the subject of an nypd intelligence bureau investigation nor has he been the subject of an fbi investigation, but sources tell cnn he was connected to an individual who was previously investigated. what can you read into that? >> that tells me almost nothing. look, if you use that word connection, let me give you a number of ways he could be connected. maybe there was an e-mail connection years ago. maybe he was a member of a club somebody else was a member of. maybe he had physical contact, met in a cafe with someone. i need definition on that connection. was it a friendship? was it a casual relationship years ago? common members of a chat room in some sort of online forum? that word connection doesn't mean anything it to tell me somebody was connected with a terror suspect at some time in the recent or distant pass. >> all right, stick around.
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killer was radicalized here in the united states. sometimes i think we get -- we got lulled into sleep with the battle against isis is going so well on the ground in iraq and syria, but this ideology is something that we still have to counter. and it's hard. it's nothing -- you know, there is not going to be an easy fix here in congress that is going to make this all go away. we're going to deal with this for a very long time, if not forever, and making sure that we're working together to stop this radicalization is very important. >> it's a good point because after every disaster, politicians and the media and the public all wonder, is there some law that could have prevented this? is there anything that could have stopped this? do you think that there is any law or legislation that might have been able to prevent this attack? >> look, i don't think there is any specific thing that could have prevented this. what we need to be focused on, terrorism is like influenza. it's something that, you know, is not going to go away. you can inculcate communities from it. you can take -- have strategies
to address it, but this is something that we're going to have to -- we've been dealing with for a very long time and we'll be dealing with it into the future. it's very easy for folks up here in washington, d.c. to have a knee-jerk reaction to some of these activities. this is hard. this is something that we have to make sure that our local law enforcement is getting the support that they need, that our federal folks are working with state and local agencies as well as they possibly can and we also have to remember, terrorists, you're not going to scare new york, you're not going to scare americans. this is something we have proven we can work together to keep terrorists on the run and off our shores. >> president trump said today the way that the u.s. deals with terrorists, the justice system is a joke and a laughing stock. do you agree? >> i don't. i think there have been many people that have been -- that have done attacks here in the united states that have been brought to justice. you know, the grieving families, you know, my heart goes out to
the families that many of them were overseas when they woke up and found out they lost a loved one. but we're going to be able to administer that justice here in the united states of america, and we've been strengthening laws since 2001 to do things like put people in jail for, you know, material support. this guy killed people. and so i'm pretty confident that our justice system is going to be able to take care of is that. >> this is the first attack like this by an islamic radical, alleged suspect, we should say. by a car in the united states. we saw a white nationalist, white supremacist do this in charlottesville, but we've seen these kinds of using a vehicle as a weapon, isis-inspired attacks in europe but not in the united states. should we expect more of this, do you think? is this going to be the new normal? >> we should. i think over the last couple of decades we have seen the tactics, techniques and
procedures of terrorist organizations evolve and where you see it in one place, you see it metastasize to other places. this is something that we're going to have to continue to think about and when you have wide-open public spaces, we're going to have to be prepared to defend against these types of potential attacks in the future. >> congressman will hurd of texas, always a pleasure to have you on, sir. thank you so much. this attack comes as new york city prepares for one of its largest tourist events of the year. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything
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each of the eight victims. the nypd identified the two americans as 2-year-old darren drake from new jersey along with 23-year-old nicholas cleves from new york. five others were a group of friends from argue argentina. the friends were in new york city celebrating their 30th high school reunion. today flags in their home country are flying at half staff. the eighth victim, 31-year-old annular decot, she was from belgium. her husband described her as a fantastic wife and the most beautiful mother to their two sons who are 3 months and 3 years old. let's continue the conversation with my panel of national security experts. chairman rogers, the suspect was taken alive, we're told by authorities he's cooperating somewhat. in these situations, how reliable do you think he might be and is his information worth
anything? >> his information will be worth something. it takes rapport. so normally in the first few days as a former fbi guy can tell you, those first few interviews will be wildly inaccurate. but there is always a thread of truth in there. they'll spend a little time, build a little rapport and get to the information they need. sometimes it takes a little longer, sometimes a little shorter depending on the suspect. they'll do all of that. they'll look at all the clues. it looks like he's travelled around quite a bit. he's lived up north, in florida, in new jersey. so they'll try to find all of that pattern of life and any intersection that they can find with any radicalization effort. i guarantee you he didn't do this all by himself in a basement on a computer, there were some external factors somewhere in that process, and that's what they're going to spend time trying to figure out, where exactly did that happen? >> phil, the terror suspect
lived in paterson, new jersey, with his wife and three children. she must be key to the investigation right now. >> she is. and i agree with chairman rogers. this is not simply a question of whether someone was a co-conspire tore in the investigation, jake. i want to know everything about pattern of life, including things like home life, work life, anything related to drug or alcohol, mental. any comments he made in changes in religion. comments about american politics. i'm not looking for strictly whether someone knew he was going to drive a truck in new york city, i'm looking for whether someone knew there was a change in his pattern of life that leads us to understand why he went to do this attack yesterday. >> juliette, the attacker said he was inspired by isis. he left a note in the truck. there is no evidence, however, as of now anyway that he was trained or this operation was ordered by isis. at this point, does that matter? is isis inspired basically equivalent to isis-directed in this era that we live in?
>> it's a great question, and i think the answer -- i know the answer is no. in fact, the isis-inspired attacks intend to be less coordinated. individual actors, maybe they had coconspirators, weapons like cars and trucks and possibly knives and guns. what we want to avoid in the united states, though, is the isis-directed one. those tepid to be multiple events. highly coordinated, high casualty and fatality rates. so there is a difference. just picking up on chairman rogers' point. there is going to be a difference between what he said about his relationship with isis and what we actually can confirm. isis is an ecosystem now. some people are in very tight. some people are on the outsides just passively absorbing what isis is telling them. he may have a conception of himself that is actually not true. that matters for law enforcement purposes because our goal now is not only to convict him, but also to try to figure out how we stop this from happening again.
that's always the takeaway from these, if we can learn something from that radicalization process, can we try to avoid or deter the next person from doing this. >> chairman rogers, the suspect is from uzbekistan, which is a part of the world in many cases being described as a hotbed of radical islamic activity. but we are also told he was radicalized here in the united states. >> yeah, completely so. and interesting, early on in the air strike campaign in the early part of 2000s, uzbeks had the highest body count in these air strikes. mainly because they were great fighters. they merged into places like afghanistan, even along the pakistan border, and were eager to get into that fight. and what was fascinating was that the groups around there, some of the lobal tribes did not really care for the uzbeks being down there. they actually looked at them as foreigners and lopts of information was passed along. they are used effectively on the
battlefield all around the world. this individual apparently may have had some connection back there. we don't know yet. i would leave that as an open chapter quite yet, but also seemed to get here to try to fit in, something happened and all of those travels. and i'm going to guess that somebody gave him permission to do what he did in a spiritual way that allowed him to continue on. we see this in case after case after case, even in lone wolves, it's a simple e-mail, it's a simple communication. that's what really investigators are going to need to find out. where was that spiritual guidance? where was that individual that said it's okay for you to do this and take those lives? that always happens in these cases. now we just have to find out where that happened in the united states. and candidly, if he had those moves around like that, he's a perfect profile for recruiting of somebody to push him into this radicalization phase. couldn't quite fit in. couldn't quite fit in. he's exactly the kind of person
that these folks are going to look for and try to reach out and touch. and, again, doesn't mean it was a heavy hand, doesn't mean it was intense, doesn't mean that isis was meeting with him every day. probably none of those things happened, but somebody along the way helped him get that switch flipped that allowed him to believe that this was his duty under his faith. >> all right. phil, chairman, juliette, thanks so much. really appreciate it. the details sound shadier than a palm tree. why did pump's now indicted former campaign chairman have three passports and a cell phone under a fake name? that's next. ♪
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trump tweeted out at the time. a person in the room tells cnn that then candidate trump didn't say yes to the idea and didn't say no, but jeff sessions, pictured at the other end of the table, did shut down the idea. press secretary sarah sanders said today she does not believe the president remembers that suggests. papadopoulos on monday of course this week pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his myriad of contacts with individuals who have kremlin ties, including one professor who told him that the russians had dirt on hillary clinton. this all comes as we learn more about the activities of former trump campaign chair paul manafort, who we know now had three u.s. passports and travelled extensively using a phone and e-mail registered under a fake name. cnn's jessica schneider is here with me. jessica, it's not illegal to have three passports, but it's unusual. >> it is. it's raising eyebrows. the multiple passports, while often approved for u.s. citizens combined with manafort's extensive travel around the
globe in the past year, it led prosecutors to argue he was a flight risk and the judge to order house arrest. and now while manafort and gates have both surfarendered their passports -- >> a secret side of donald trump's former campaign chairman. tales of fathree passports. what special counsel robert mueller calls a history of deceptive and misleading conduct on the part of paul manafort and rick gates. two are under house arrest after a federal court judge agreed with the government that the two are flight risks. manafort currently has three u.s. passports, each of them under a different number. this alone, however, is not illegal. the prosecutor said he has submitted ten passport applications in roughly the last ten years. this year, manafort has travelled to mexico, ecuador and china with a phone and e-mail account registered under a fake name.
also over the past year, he traveled to tokyo, shanghai, dubai, madrid, havana, grand cayman island, cancun and panama city. both manafort and gates were frequent travellers to cyprus. manafort wrote in financial documents that his assets were worth $19 million in april 2012 and $106 million in april 2016. when he was serving as trump's national campaign chairman in august 2016, manafort said his assets were worth $28 but wrote he had $63 million in assets on a different application. meanwhile, gates frequently changed banks and opened and closed bank accounts, prosecutors said. in all, gates had 55 accounts with 13 different financial institutions. in england and cyprus where he held more than $10 million from 2010 to 2015. >> when was the last time you spoke to the president. >> reporter: cnn spotted manafort coming back home to his alexandra, virginia condo
yesterday. being under house arrest, manafort and gates can only leave their homes to meet with lawyers, or medical or religious reasons and must check in with authorities every day. the new details are -- vetted manafort in the first place. >> paul manafort has a long reputation working on campaigns, on presidential campaigns. but the fact that he has is an outlaw to the extent that has been disclosed so far is deeply concerning i think to all of us. and i'm beginning to wonder if he wasn't an agent of russia. if. >> reporter: manafort's attorney told reporters on monday that his client has not guilty. gates has also pleaded not guilty. >> there is no evidence that mr. manafort or the trump campaign colluded with the russian government. >> reporter: and more of the details surrounding paul manafort and rick gates, it could come out when they appear in court tomorrow. of course, jake, both men face sentences of up to ten years if they're convicted on all of
these counts. >> jessica schneider, thank you so much. we have a lot more to talk about, such as why did the president need -- why did the president's ex-campaign chairman need an ailian. stick around. ccasion. so the the broom said, "sorry i'm late. i over-swept." [ laughter ] yes, even the awkward among us deserve some laughter. and while it's okay to nibble in public, a lady only dines in private. try the name your price tool from progressive. it gives you options based on your budget. uh-oh. discussing finances is a big no-no. what, i'm helping her save money! shh! men are talking. that's it, i'm out. taking the meatballs.
we're back with our politics lead and my panel. let's start about the russia investigation. we have former trump campaign chairman paul manafort has three passports. applied for ten passports over the past ten years. jen, you're a former spokesperson for the state department. that's not illegal. but it's unusual. >> yes. no doubt about it. there are people who have several passports, including
people who work for the federal government. when i worked there, i had several because we were traveling so much and because there are certain countries that may hesitate to let you if you have a stamp from another country. >> like if you have a stamp from israel, you can't get into any number of arab countries. >> exactly. it can be very difficult. so for that reason, people do. however, this is with the context of it very unusual. with all of the false information, false phone records, false names, and that's something that certainly is a big red flag. >> and, amanda, this year he traveled to mexico, china and ecuador. we're told it was with a phone and e-mail account registered under a fake name. meanwhile, rick gates has 55 different bank accounts opening and closing around the world. i mean, i don't know anybody like that. >> no. listen, it gets down to the question, did the trump campaign bother to vet paul manafort or did they not care? did they know this information and not care? the biggest question for paul manafort is that he doesn't tell the truth. this all is just background
information to what i think the bigger deal is, is how many times he went before the public and said there were no contacts with russians. this is something that gets to everyone in trump universe. a tally of the past two years, there are at least 20 occasions where people in trump universe said there were no contacts with the russians. he did an interview with you where he talked about a fake attack on a nato air base in turkey that never happened. >> it was part of russian propaganda. >> straight russian propaganda. yes, all of these things about his questionable past are relevant, but even more relevant is his straight denials of things, contacts with the russians and who he was representing and who he was really working for, we don't know. >> he was representing his firm was notus years ago for representing bad guys. there is a piece in the "washington post" a firs person account of someone who used to work for him.
they send this person and a colleague to africa to try to convince a war lord, hey, you have really bad press. you need to give us $1 million. sign this contract. he says, you know, he's a bad guy. he says something like, yes, but we need to make him our bad guy. >> he is a like a character out of a spy novel. so the question is who were his -- who is he loyal to? amanda raised some really interesting points. one of the things we don't know yet from this process is why on earth did he take this job and what was he getting out of it? he wasn't getting paid, as we know. what was the quid pro quo, if there was one? we don't know. there are significant questions there given his past. >> the white house made it out to be that this indictment for financial crimes shows that this has nothing to do with them or the campaign. i'm not necessarily sure that's accurate. >> well, i mean, some of the things that he's being indicted for do go back to a period of time. >> sure. >> but it gets into who was he representing, like you previously mentioned. but the person who pled guilty,
the white house came before the public and said, well, that had to do -- nothing to do with the campaign. well, what he lied about to federal investigators were his activities on the campaign. so this just gets down to the fact that when it comes to this russia investigation, you cannot take at face value anything that anyone in the trump administration or trump world says because it's born to be false again and again and again. >> wow. tell us what you really think. everyone, stick around. lawmakers hammering social media giants for russian meddling in 2016. one senator even telling facebook, your power scares me. that's next. (honking) (beeping) we're on to you, diabetes. time's up, insufficient prenatal care. and administrative paperwork, your days of drowning people are numbered. same goes for you, budget overruns. and rising costs, wipe that smile off your face. we're coming for you too. at optum, we're partnering across the health system to tackle its biggest challenges.
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some of the russian ads that were released on facebook during the 2016 election. i guess we knew -- we'd seen them before, we just didn't know they were russian before. attorneys for facebook, twitter and google tefld on capitol hill today and answered questions about ads produced by russians that were designed to influence the 2016 presidential election. the house intelligence committee released some of the ads circulated on facebook. some of them have anti-hillary clinton or pro-bernie sanders messages. here is one that shows satan and jesus arm wresting. a photograph of a dignified transfer paired with a quote by hillary clinton, depicting her as rather callous. my panel is back with me for more. i think i recognize some of those. what do you make of them? >> they're quite good at this and i think we underestimated them and the impact of propaganda no doubt through the course of the election, but even months afterwards. think the troubling piece we should focus a little bit more on here is, you know, twitter
and facebook they were pretty slow out of the gate after the election and their responses immediately after were denial of them having involvement, which i think everyone will look back and think is not the right approach. >> every week they have a new story. >> they'd be in a better spot now had they responded differently. they have an opportunity to be somewhat of a force for good now. this is not done. it's ongoing. not just here, in countries around the world. maybe with businesses. we don't know the scope of what russia is capable of and they're not stopping. we're not focussing enough on that. certainly i hope we do in the months ahead amanda, take a listen to what senator feinstein said to the company's lawyers today. >> i must say, i don't think you get it. what we're talking about is a cataclysmic change. what we're talking about is the beginning of cyber warfare. you bear this responsibility. you've created these platforms. and now they are being misused. >> and she went on to say that
they need to do something about this and if they don't, congress will. i know that there are first amendment advocates that are very concerned about what congress might do in this platform of social media, facebook and twitter. >> yeah, and i find it interesting, number one, that these social media executives sent their lawyers to capitol hill. the ceos wouldn't go and face that questioning. but it is a question of whether they're going to allow their platforms to be used to cyber warfare. that is spot-on. they have their heads in the sand if they think this is only related to election issues. there no reason the russians can't spread misinformation about health care, medicine, crime. does it go to a question of corporate media responsibility? and i don't see any recognition from the social media execs that they care about having platforms that uphold integrity. they're chasing the dollars. they're accepting rubles, for goodness sake. if they're not at least willing
to disclose where the information is coming from to their users then congress has every right to take action. >> jen, i do wonder what would the appetite of congress be, especially a republican house and a republican senate at more government regulation, more government rules -- i know that there are a lot of hawks in the republican party, but by the same token there are a lot of people who are very worried about telling people what they can or cannot write on facebook. >> that's right. and facebook and other platforms make the argument that there could be standards in the united states that other countries are aren't going to set. how do they deal with that? there are some interesting arguments on the flip side. there are things like disclosure -- >> for ads. >> exactly. that is required of other media platform platforms. that's something some of them have come around to. all of them have not. but i think the other issue here is that, you know, some of these companies if they were eliminated, facebook and twitter, would russia still be
going after our systems and would they still be trying to get into companies and the government? >> that's right. >> and they would. so we need to deal with all of these pieces at the same time. >> and these executives like to pretend as though they're only in the data business. no, they are into media distribution. and a newspaper, for example would not, should not accept a letter to the editor, say from an anonymous source. a responsible newspaper would call and make sure that it is a real person with a real address. facebook and twitter, if they want to be involved in the media distribution, they need those kinds of same internal standards. >> i want to play the sound from al franken that you kind of referred to just a second ago. let's play that sound. >> electoral ads paid for in rubles were coming from russia. those are two data points. american political ads and russian money, rubles. how could you not connect those
two dots? >> we should point out, facebook, again, raised a number of people who saw content from a specific russian troll farm. now they're saying it's 150 million people. they've raised it almost 25 million people just this week. not exactly confidence-building, amanda? >> no, it's incredible what transpired on those platforms. and i don't see anything that they're really willing to do to stop it because all of these social media platforms are so interested in chasing the cliffs. -- the clicks. the clicks and money matter more than the content and that's a very dangerous thing, even though i believe in free some people 100%. >> they like the rubles. jennifer psaki, amanda carpenter, thanks to both of you. be sure to follow me on facebook and twitter. that feels strange saying that. that's it for "the lead" today. i'm jake tapper. turning you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room."
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