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okay, i need an ambulance right here. right here. >> two adults and two children injured on that bus. one of the children went through surgery yesterday and appears to be on the mend, one of the adults had two operations and expected to recover. that's a miracle for those four individuals. and thank god that bus only had four people on it at the time. thanks for joining us, anderson is next. good evening, breaking news in the russian investigation dominates the program tonight and reaches directly into the president's inner circle, touching oldest advisers, supporters and own family. major developments for son-in-law jared kushner and attorney general jeff sessions, sam clovis and president himself, his own actions lately and state of mind. breaking news as well on what people think of it all, polling from "washington post" and abc news showing 58% approval for
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robert mueller's investigation. question whether they believe or suspect president trump committed a crime, slim margin say yes. evan perez on the kushner story and manu raju on the story today about campaign contact with russia and puts new scrutiny on the highest law enforcement official in the last tells congress under oath about contact with russia. what did carter page say today? >> more than 6 1/2 hours he was behind closed doors with house intelligence committee and talked about a range of issues. one thing he was asked about, july 2016 trip he took to moscow. question came, who in the campaign knew about it. he informed the committee under oath that jeff sessions, the senator from alabama and top
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campaign surrogate in fact knew about it. he said he mentioned to him at a private dinner with other people who were involved on the trump national security team, he told him in carter page's words, in passing about this trip he planned to take to moscow. he said it was not related to the campaign, simply for him to go overseas and deliver a speech overseas in russia. why this is significant, jeff sessions on a number of different occasions has been asked about connections with russia, any contacts he had,ualhad, whether he was aware of anyone working with russia in the campaign, slew of questions on capitol hill, every single time, didn't recall or no didn't happen. asked in june before senate intelligence committee directly by carter page and whether he was aware he had met with russian officials.
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he said he did not know. questions whether or not he should have disclosed this meeting, even if just in passing. >> what is the justice department saying about it? >> tonight they're not commenting. mike conaway, top republican on the investigation didn't think it was problematic for jeff sessions, didn't see anything sinister here, perhaps understandable he was not aware of this. one source familiar with the meeting said they did have an interaction at that meeting, confirmed that. it occurred toward the end of the meeting when page approached sessions. and page told me that was one and other interaction they ever had in the campaign season, but he did confirm he mentioned he was planning to take this trip next month to moscow. >> this is on top of renewed scrutiny from members of congress about jeff sessions'
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testimony about george papadopoulos? >> in court documents, papadopoulos had proposed a meeting between president vladimir putin and then-candidate donald trump. at that meeting where papadopoulos made this suggestion, jeff sessions was in attendance and we're told by source in the room that sessions rejected this call for meeting between putin and trump, saying we should not go there. that raised a number of lawmakers i talked to today, why didn't sessions disclose this in his testimony asked over and over again about russian contacts. even two senior republicans, chuck grassley of iowa, chairs senate judiciary committee and john korman, number two in the overall senate wanted to learn more about it. grassley said it was looking into it and courten said worthy area to explore. democrats going more
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aggressively after this, saying sessions may need to verify his testimony. >> thank you manu. want to play a tape. question from senator al franken to jeff sessions. >> you don't believe that surrogates from the trump campaign had communications with the russians, is that what you're saying? >> i did not and i'm not aware of anybody else that did. and i don't believe it happened. >> you don't believe it now. >> i don't believe it now. >> bring in panel. legal analyst, michael zelden, former assistant to robert mueller. michael, start with you. how big a deal, if what carter page said is true, he told jeff sessions this, whether in passing or not, how big a deal that jeff sessions in front of three different committees seemed to not recall this or
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much about russia frankly? >> this is problematic for sessions. earlier back and forth with franken, asking about contacts with russia, it was a bad question, wasn't well-formed and answer couldn't stand up to scrutiny as false statement or perjurious, here is specific question, do you believe there are any surrogates that met with russia? answer was i didn't, i don't know of anyone that did. that's direct question and answer on which i think false statement claim could arise but more importantly get called back to congress and have to figure out what his answer is, how come he can't remember these key things but anything else that impugns his integrity. >> he's 70 years old, could be part of the reason he'll say, lot going on, minor mention from guy, carter page, who he didn't know at all. >> takes place in larger context
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of serial lying by jeff sessions, attorney general of the united states, by the president of the united states, by the children of the president of the united states, by his campaign manager, by his associates in his business enterprises. what the special prosecutor is now doing, two things, follow the money, follow the lies. there's an intersection of the 2, we're coming to a precipice in this investigation, both in terms of public hearings that we're seeing on the hill, but especially in the legal terms that investigation special prosecutor is developing we only see this much but it's deadly serious, we're at precipice and we're going to find out where we go in the coming weeks and months. >> i keep coming back to the point carl made, what we see is tiny fraction of what mueller and his team have already seen. >> and in one of the court
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pleadings he said that, papadopoulos pleas he said this is a small part of a larger matter and what we're presenting to court today is only a portion of what information has been provided for us. enough for the court to take the plea, enough facts that the court can say, i find you guilty, but not enough to reveal all of what mueller is doing. to carl's point, the indictment and plea, manafort has followed the money, not necessarily money actually connected to collusion investigation but business operations generally. anden in nobody is too small to be indicted for lying to a federal agent. both ends, big and small and everybody in the middle i guess. >> idea that carter page wasn't going to russia in official campaign capacity, a, does the distinction matter here, and b, does it defy credibility?
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clearly the russians had interest in him because named like mauna from hefb as a foreign advisory for him, even though never met with candidate trump and hasn't met president trump. >> looking at bigger mosaic. george papadopoulos, carter page, volunteers but in name advisers on a foreign policy advisory board to donald trump. they get to sit in on meetings and go to policy meetings. if you're trying to infiltrate a campaign, you work from the bottom-up, whether carter page was aware or papadopoulos, it's up to the special counsel and all the rest. but you can look at this picture, there he is at table
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with donald trump. he's suggesting, papadopoulos, hey how about a meeting with putin, which sessions shoots down, trump is noncommittal. and you get to see the larger picture here. i can't speak to whether jeff sessions -- he shook carter page's hand after dinner meeting, whether he remembers or didn't, that's issue between the congress and jeff sessions to work out, he might have to amend his testimony. but i do think there's another bigger story here. exactly what the russians were doing in trying to infiltrate this campaign that i'm sure the special counsel is looking at and investigating. >> carl. >> serial lying by all the people is about russia, what's happening in terms of an investigation into the undermining of the american election by a foreign power. that's what the serial lying is
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about. it's about a cover-up that is attempting to keep us from learning what these people did and what they knew in regard to this election, to their finances, and to what happened generally speaking during the campaign in terms of getting information about hillary clinton, about the democrats from the russians. it all comes together under one umbrella. question is whether or not there is a real conspiracy to obstruct justice among other things in the investigation, whether it is about illegality, but we certainly know it is about a cover-up and we need to know now whether the law has been broken in the cover-up in a way to extend to the president of the united states and those closest to him. >> we have to take a quick break. also more breaking news on the russian investigation, new attention on jared kushner tonight. all of this with president about to head overseas for talks about
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with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. quick note. before the break played a portion of attorney general sessions senate testimony, mistakenly identified it as confirmation hearing. it was different context. jared kushner, documents he turned over to special counsel mueller and questions he's
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answering about the firing of james comey, could be part of obstruction of justice investigation. part of the team that broke this story, he joins us now. what are the documents? >> sources tell us that kushner voluntarily turned over documents he had in his possession from the campaign and transition, relating contact with russia. similar to what he gave to congressional investigators, came as investigators are asking witnesses about kushner's role in the firing of james comey. we know before special counsel mueller was appointed in may, fbi had begun looking at kushner's failure to disclose russian contacts when he made application, all documents the fbi had in its possession. >> why is the special counsel interested in kushner's role if any in the comey firing?
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>> we're told that investigators asked witnesses about whether kushner played any role in firing of comey. some seize he was driver of the decision and others he didn't oppose it, something the president had made up his mind about, intent to do it. sources closer to the white house say based on what they know, kushner is not target of the investigation. >> how significant is this? >> mueller's team asking questions about kushner is a sign that investigators are reaching into the inner circle of the president, extending well beyond the 2016 campaign actions taken at white house level, highest levels of the white house. white house official tells us mueller's team's asking questions about kushner is not a surprise and say he could be on the a list of a lot of people who investors would be asking about. lawyer for kushner, should be noted, did not comment for this
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story, and white house also declined to comment. >> thanks evan. before going further on the impact of the news, it is worth looking back at reminder of stories of what went down in the firing of james comey and scramble to justify it. in many ways the genesis of what we see now and will see in weeks ahead. >> loss of confidence in the director. >> may 3rd, six days later president donald trump fired fbi director james comey. that much was clear but reason he was fired was anything but. hours after the firing sean spicer, then communications director, locked himself in his office in the white house and when the media caught up with him, huddled with staff in the bushes on the white house ground. then went on camera with fox saying the president's firing of comey followed a recommndation
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from deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and boss attorney general jeff sessions. said nothing of comey's russia investigation. >> president made a decision to accept their conclusions and remove director comey. >> next day sarah sanders stuck to script. >> president over the next several months lost confidence in director comey and accepted the remgts of deputy attorney general to remove james comey from his position. >> very next day, a completely different story from the president himself, boldly telling nbc he had made the decision to fire comey on his own, the reason was the russia investigation. >> what i did is i was going to fire comey, my decision -- not -- >> you had made the decision. >> i was going to fire comey. when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, you know this russia thing with trump and
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russia is a made-up story. >> sanders was left to clean up the inconsistencies. >> i went off of the information that i had when i answered your question. >> another voice adding to confusion and kont dictions, vice president mike pence saying the firing was not related to the russia investigation. >> let me be clear, that was not what this is about. >> then perhaps the strangest twist of the entire saga a day after comey's firing. in the oval office of all places with a russian. it was there that president trump told russian ambassador serg sergey kissly yak that comey was a -- job and firing him relieved pressure. >> back with the panel. how significant is it special counsel is asking about kushner's involvement in the firing of comey, also overview
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of how you see the various tracks of this, russian investigation and also financial. >> sure. i don't think that asking kushner about his role in the firing of comey necessarily does anything to advance the obstruction of justice claim. obstruction of justice claim is really on the president and what he did to interfere with the investigation. i think it's on the margins relevant to that. we'll see whether or not mueller thinks that firing of comey, asking of his national security team to get out in front of the media on this story, also to ask comey to stand down the investigation, whether he asked flynn's investigation to be stood down, all of that stuff mueller has to sort out, then deal with the constitutional question of if the president does something he's constitutionally allowed to do, can that be obstruction of justice or not, that's open
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question. >> you think it's possible that michael flynn has already flipped. >> yeah. so in answer to the question you asked, big picture, when you look at manafort indictment and you're michael flynn, you have to think this is what i did too, probably. except with turkey. and i have a son in part of my group too. and i see too that under the sentencing guidelines, papadopoulos cooperates, takes sentence from three to five years to zero to six months. if manafort were able to fully cooperate, i don't think he's capable at this point, would take sentence down to four or five years. powerful incentive to cooperate. probably that's at play. would be surprised if flynn wasn't cooperating. >> which would be huge, had a pretty close relationship with candidate trump throughout the
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campaign. >> exactly. just as manafort for a little bit of time, gates for a longer time. mueller looking at possible witness for collusion case to be made, gates is far more credible and important because he stayed after manafort left. went through the transition with trump. he's got a lot more information and more credible witness. strands that you asked about earlier, i think there's a financial group of investigations that mueller is conducting, manafort the first, flynn will be the second. kushner and his properties, maybe the eb-5 visa program, properties in new jersey, reach out to russians for financing of property in new york city. >> 666 4th avenue. >> 666. they may have some road back to rome, collusion, but i think they stand as financial crimes investigations.
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then you have papadopoulos, carter page, roger stone, all these people and interactions with the russians and whether or not this was designed to get hillary clinton's e-mails in october surprise sort of way. late in the campaign in order to damage her at a time when she couldn't respond to it in time. >> would the third string be the obstruction of justice? >> exactly. >> carl? >> also, some of the lawyers involved who know things say that indeed flynn is cooperating. don't call it flipped, but say he has been cooperating with the investigators. but more, what we see with kushner, he is a focus of mueller's investigation in all these areas we're talking about. remember that kushner was running around the world during the transition and during parts of the campaign, looking for
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money, foreign money, russian money, money where he could find it, to try and get himself out of a bad financial position. mueller is looking at all of this, trying to put -- i'm not saying this information comes from people in mueller investigation, but reporters know a good bit at this point from piecing from various sources together what the broad outlines of what mueller is looking at. it is all three of these areas and he's very far along in terms of what we saw this week. yet we only know this much. >> right. and the thing to add to that is don junior gives a speech back in '08, asked about the financing of their trump empire properties, he said essentially we don't get money from u.s. banks, we get them from rich russians. they have a financial relationship with the russians that go back a long way, not
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withstanding president's statements on that are. i think that also informs the investigation. >> ethnorussians too, not just people in russia. >> do we know -- >> that's a question i've been doing a lot of reporting on. i have sources on both sides of this. good sources who say he was driver of the comey firing. don't forget he was in bed minister the weekend that the president made up his mind as was adviser steve miller who wrote a memo, and he believed it would be a politically good thing to do and democrats would jump on board, which of course they didn't. then i have other sources who say in fact he was not a driver of this at all, you heard donald trump say this was my decision, and that in fact he did not oppose it, that jared kushner
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did not oppose it, went along with it, and perhaps he did that because he wanted to please the boss, also his father-in-law. so it is a question i think that the special counsel is going to try to get to the bottom of because jared's name comes up in a whole bunch of places. he was on air force one when they had to come up with the statement about what occurred at trump tower meeting that they had to revise a few times. he had had all of these repeated meetings with russians to establish a back channel to russia. during the campaign, he had the fs-86 form which had to be filed repeatedly. i think they have a lot of questions they want to ask jared. sources in the white house say they're convinced he's not a target of the investigation but a witness. it all remains to be seen. >> i want to play a clip we just
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got in, president trump speaking to washington, d.c., radio station about investigating leaks and this is what he said. >> saddest thing is because i'm president of the united states i'm not supposed to be involved with the justice department, the fbi, doing the kinds of things that i would love to be doing and i'm very frustrated by it. >> hear the president of the united states bemooning the fact he can't be involved in the investigations. >> because investigations of him, his family and people around him. ridiculous statement on its face. but i want to say one thing about this idea of a target of the investigation. usually you don't become a target of an investigation and get a so-called target letter from the federal government until you have about to be indicted. right now it's no secret that jared kushner is the focus of many inquiries by both the
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intelligence community and the fbi. we know that and presumably mueller is coordinator of all that incoming information about jared kushner. all of these areas come together often on his portfolio as it were, which is so broad it extends to politics, family, money, all over the board. that's why he's -- >> one point to that. other area i think that kushner is being inquired of is cambridge analytica data operation. >> which he had talked about. >> that's right. and how does that marry up with social media, russia, troll campaign. because they seem to have some similarities with respect to ability to target key voters in states you wouldn't have thought they would go to. they had information, i don't
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know whether it's coincidental, whether facebook is unwitting conduit between the two but another area they have to look at. >> thank you. coming up, jeff sessions under new scrutiny papadopoulos and testimony under oath. does he have explaining to do to senate judiciary committee? hear from them next. directv has been rated #1 in customer satisfaction over cable for 17 years running. but some people still like cable. just like some people like banging their head on a low ceiling.
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uh, the beethoven festival. pure. love your insurance. as we reported, attorney general jeff sessions is under new scrutiny about testimony with russian contacts because of the meeting with george papadopoulos and revelation from carter page. before air time i spoke with senator richard blumenthal, a member of the senate judiciary committee. >> if carter page is telling the truth and informed attorney general jeff sessions about his trip to russia, seems to raise new questions. >> not only raises questions but really another powerful compelling reason that attorney general jeff sessions needs to come back before the judiciary committee and justify his statement that he was unaware of
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any contact between the trump campaign and russian officials, belied not only by report from carter page but also by the statement from george papadopoulos. there were numerous meetings and communications between him and campaign supervisor and high-ranking campaign official about his contacts with the russian foreign ministry. >> it is pretty surprising the extent to which jeff sessions seems to have pled ignorance on anything to do with russia. i would have thought somebody at his level would have people in the room, assistants who might take notes about what happened in any given meeting, particularly on the campaign. >> and particularly incredible because of the intimacy of the trump team. it was a small team. these advisers were seated around that table with the then-presidential candidate and attorney general sessions in a
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very small group. so the absence of any notes certainly raises any questions, along with lack of recollection. >> carter page has always said his trip to russia is unconnected to role in the campaign. first of all questions about his role in the campaign at all, donald trump named hims adviser although carter page said he never med donald trump though he told russians he had. does it make a difference if the trip really was unconnected to the campaign? caveat is i find it hard to believe he would have been invited to speak if he didn't have this official role with the campaign. >> and that's exactly right. pattern is the same as it was with george papadopoulos. russians became aware of their status as foreign policy advisers and therefore reached out to them and engaged them, a very familiar tactic of the russian foreign ministry and intelligence services.
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and sought to provide george papadopoulos with dirt on hillary clinton and e-mails, much as they offered to do later with jared kushner and donald trump jr. and paul manafort. so there's a pattern here. special counsel is working his way up the ladder of criminal liability. and we can see more surprises, we can expect them. and they are likely to include potential charges and also convictions. >> against sessions or in general? >> in general, not speaking about sessions in particular. but there is a moment coming when jeff sessions will, i hope, be forced to explain these apparent contra dictions, his saying he was unaware of contact between the trump campaign and russian officials which is
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contradicted by carter page and george papadopoulos. >> also want to ask you about the reporting that special counsel is looking into what role jared kushner may have played into firing of james comey. is that of interest to your committee? >> very much because we're very interested in the obstruction of justice, within our responsibility. we have oversight, purview, when it comes to the department of justice and fbi. firing of jim comey is very much of interest to us. and jared kushner's possible involvement in it. i have said for some time that jared kushner should be subpoenaed, donald trump jr. should be subpoenaed, so should paul manafort, probably claim fifth. but anybody involved in the meeting, obstruction of justice in firing comey. >> testify in a public hearing. >>?
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all a public hearing under oath. all of them should. nominee for chief scientist at department of agriculture withdraws, nothing to do with fact he wasn't a scientist but because of the russian investigation. house republicans reveal tax plan, pitching as middle-class tax cut and president is calling big christmas present. what is in it and will it pass? next.
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accused of obstructing justice to theat the fbinuclear war, and of violating the constitution by taking money from foreign governments and threatening to shut down news organizations that report the truth. if that isn't a case for impeaching and removing a dangerous president, then what has our government become? i'm tom steyer, and like you, i'm a citizen who knows it's up to us to do something. it's why i'm funding this effort to raise our voices together and demand that elected officials take a stand on impeachment. a republican congress once impeached a president for far less. yet today people in congress and his own administration know that this president is a clear and present danger who's mentally unstable and armed with nuclear weapons. and they do nothing. join us and tell your member of congress that they have a moral responsibility to stop doing what's political and start doing what's right.
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now to what the president says will be one of the great christmas presents. house republicans revealed new tax bill, saying whole purpose is middle-class tax cut, lowers
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the -- and does away with some deductions. what does it look like for middle-class americans? >> answer to whether or not could be good for bad for middle-class americans could be factor that makes or breaks the plan. paul ryan earlier today. >> can you guarantee that all middle-class taxpayers will see a tax cut? >> that's the whole purpose of this. family of 4, $1,200 tax cut. going to help people living paycheck to paycheck. going to be a game-changer for the economy. >> it's a little bit more complicated. reductions on rates. boost in child tax credit to help families, nearly double the standard deduction. positive. but also $300 billion in reductions individual side and
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about $1 trillion reductions on the corporate side. that latter point matters a lot. reason they're doing that is republican belief and stated position that help on the corporate side help boost income for individuals and wages. that will be crucial, sell idea that tax cuts on individual side, lose significant deductions on student loan debt, mortgage rate deduction that boost from the economy on the corporate side will help things out. if it doesn't sell, could have problems. if it does, could be in good shape. >> most of the republicans haven't seen the plan until today. >> they're enthusiastic to have a plan and do something they haven't done at all this year, accomplish a major legislative goal. but issues like mortgage rate deduction, capping property tax,
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removing income tax deduction altogether, hairy issues. northeastern republicans from high tax states have stated unequivocally will be against if they don't see changes. but what will win out? wanting to move forward or in the weeds propositions? >> republicans obviously want to move quickly on this. >> they're not -- hyperspeed is way one described it to me. staring at reality. there's a reason this hasn't been done. interest groups and people that care about deductions you have to get rid of to fund the rest. they want this done in the house and senate by thanksgiving. they want it on the president's
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desk by christmas. can they pull that off? very, very aggressive schedule but according to the speaker, answer is yes. >> phil, thanks. up next, as the russia investigation news breaks, sources tell cnn president is agonizing but he said to the "new york times" he's not angry. speak to author of the "art of the deal" but how the president deals with this pressure.
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accused of obstructing justice to theat the fbinuclear war, and of violating the constitution by taking money from foreign governments and threatening to shut down news organizations that report the truth. if that isn't a case for impeaching and removing a dangerous president, then what has our government become? i'm tom steyer, and like you, i'm a citizen who knows it's up to us to do something. it's why i'm funding this effort to raise our voices together and demand that elected officials take a stand on impeachment. a republican congress once impeached a president for far less. yet today people in congress and his own administration know
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that this president is a clear and present danger who's mentally unstable and armed with nuclear weapons. and they do nothing. join us and tell your member of congress that they have a moral responsibility to stop doing what's political and start doing what's right. our country depends on it. jim acosta has some new breaking news in the russian investigation. what are you learning? >> this goes back to the investigation we learned about over the last couple days about george papadopoulos raising this idea, prospect of a meeting between then candidate trump and russian president putin, at that national security advisory board
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meeting in march of 2016. we had only heard from sources up until now. one of the attendees in the room, a former national security official j.d. gordon. if you're looking at this picture on screen there's george papadopoulos in the middle, donald trump on the ends. right in between jeff sessions and papadopoulos is j.d. gordon. he now says to us on the record that then candidate trump heard him out, referring to george papadopoulos, then candidate trump heard out papadopoulos's pitch about meeting with vladimir putin. we've been reporting that senator sessions and now attorney general sessions knocked down the idea. and, of course, all of this is a very big interest to the special
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council's office, they want to know what the president's reaction was in the room that day. and according to j.d. gordon, at the very least, he heard him out. >> we're learning more before how president trump himself is reacting. the president was fuming, agonizing over the news of special council mueller's indictments. then the president spoke to the new york times and said he's not personally under investigation, and he was not angry at anybody. >> joining me now is tony is warts, contributor to the dangerous case of donald trump, a new book. >> i want to play something the president said on a local radio station in washington. let's listen. >> the saddest thing, because i'm the president of the united states, i'm not supposed to be involved with the justice
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department, the fbi i'm not supposed to be doing the things i'd love to be doing. i'm very frustrated by that. >> that's scary, he'd like to be in charge of everything. he'd like to not make a distinction of those agencies, he'd like to be the emperor's have full control over all of them, that's what he wants. >> the last time you were on the program, you talked about how the president and how donald trump in his past focuses in the short term to get through -- it goes into a survival mode. can you explain that? >> it's what he's in right now, it's ludicrous to think that he is -- as he told maggie haber does man that he's not angry at anyone. he's angry at everyone right now, i guarantee you. if you're sitting in that white house you feel it.
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there's nothing donald trump feels more intolerable than to feel weak, potentially humiliated. here comes mueller indicts these three people. sets trump's teeth on edge that it's coming toward him. this is a tsunami. to use a morell vant description, a hurricane, a stage 4, stage 5 hurricane moving toward him at a slow pace. it's coming toward him. what happens to him is rather than feeling the intolerable weakness or vulnerability he moves into aggressiveness and goes after people, that's what you're seeing now. >> where does that come from, the roy kohn school he was taught from. >> i think he was taught it a long time before roy kohn. his father taught him that from a very early age.
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strike back and strike back hard. that's what his father did. and for sure, that was roy kohn's style, we're going to see that more and more now as more and more revelaions -- i don't know if there will be indictments, i suspect there. more and more news from mueller there's a level despite his desire not to feel it, trump is very, very, very anxious that mueller's going to get him. i've said before, and i'll say it again, i believe he will. interestingly, i don't know that mueller will get trump for russia. he's going to get a ton of people around him what he's got is 40 years of trump's actions in the marketplace. that's a lot for him to be looking into. >> in terms of past litigation. i'm wondering if his strategy can sort of be an indicator of how he deals with an ongoing
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investigation. is there's some debate how he should deal with the investigation. >> the last thing he wants to do is accept this investigation is continuing. he hates that and would love to fire mueller now, tomorrow. i believe he will. and i believe he will do it on an impulse in spite of whatever voices may be telling him, that's a dangerous thing to do. i think we will see another saturday night massacre. >> he does continue to say he's not under investigation. >> he's trying to thread a needle. it's possible trump is not culpable around anything related to russia. what he's worried about is that there is a lot of other stuff he is culpable for.
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>> the reporting that jared kushner is now certainly of interest to mueller, jared kushner has given over documents, coming that close to be in donald trump's family, that's got to be extremely difficult. >> what's fascinating is -- and i said this six months ago, there was going to come a time when trump in his relentless lack of loyalty was going to turn against his own family members. well, he's done it. >> we heard yesterday, gabrielle sherman reported he went in and went after jared kushner, he's blaming him for getting rid of comey. i can see him as he isolates himself and he's looking for enemies, i can see him going after the blood members of his family. i'm waiting for donald jr., for eric. i think ivanka would be the last to go. >> tony schwartz, thanks for being with us. >> the breaking news that
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