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>> was he in the middle of the country? what job was he quitting out in the middle of the forest? so to the twitter employee who on your last day did whatever was possible you earned the all time quit stories and the "ridicu-list". that's it for us. time to turn it over to don lemon. cnn tonight starts right now. this is cnn tonight. i am don lemon. and this has been a week of one big revelation after another in the russia investigation. so many that you may have trouble keeping track. though it all -- through it all the white house are denying, deflecting and distracting here. but don't for a moment lose sight of everything that has happened in just the past five days, because the facts do matter here. so let's go through the facts first. okay? monday morning we learned that former trump campaign chairman paul manafort and his deputy rick gates were indicted on 12 counts. their trial proposed for may 2018, for charges including money laundering and improperly
filing disclosure forms about foreign lobbying. that surprised virtually no one. but this did. the revelation that back in july trump foreign policy adviser george papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his contacts with russians. court documents suggest he has been a cooperating witness for months, maybe even wearing a wire. tuesday the president takes to twitter, of course, to try to do damage control. quote, few people knew the young low level volunteer named george, who has already proven to be a liar. check the dems. but wait, there's more. today the president said this about his meeting during the campaign with his own foreign policy advisers, including that so-called low level volunteer named george. >> i don't remember much about that meeting. it was a very unimportant meeting. took place a long time ago. don't remember much about it. >> well, in the interest of refreshing the president's memory, according to what he said just nine days ago, one of the great memories of all times, there is this photo of the meeting. tweeted from his very own account.
on wednesday we learned that that meeting, the president entertained the possibility of a sit down with vladimir putin, and it was suggested by, wait for it, george papadopoulos. on thursday we learned that jeff sessions rejected the meeting idea but somehow neglected to mention it in multiple congressional hearings. that same day former trump foreign policy aide carter page says he told sessions in june of 2016 that he was taking a trip to russia. that's not all. we also learned that president trump's own son-in-law, senior adviser jared kushner, has turned over documents to robert mueller's team. other witnesses in the investigation have been asked about kushner's role in the firing of the fbi director james comey. and that brings us to today. friday. carter page telling our very own jake tapper that he mentioned that planned trip to russia to a few people on the campaign, and president trump says this as he heads out on a trip to asia. >> all i can tell you is this.
there was no collusion. there was no nothing. it's a disgrace, frankly, that they continue. you want to look at hillary clinton and you want to look at the new book that was just put out by donna brazile where she basically bought the dnc and she stole the election from bernie. so that's what you ought to take a look at. >> there are some certain real questions about hillary clinton's relationship with the dnc, questions that we have been covering and will continue to cover. but hillary clinton lost the election. she's not the president of the united states. donald trump is. and that makes the russia investigation a matter of national and international importance. don't let anybody distract you from that. i want to bring in now cnn's chief national security correspondent jim sciutto, cnn political analyst margaret and cnn political commentator mat lewis. thank you for coming on. jim, the president is heading out of the country right now as things are heating up with the russia investigation. his administration under pressure. remember this from back in
february? >> can you say whether you are aware that anyone who advised your campaign had contacts with russia during the course of the election? >> well, i told you general flynn obviously was dealing, so that was one of them. as he should have been. >> during the election? >> no, nobody that i know of. >> that was an unqualified denial there. but the key question after this week did president trump and jeff sessions mislead about campaign contacts with russia? >> well, listen, don, the trump world story on their contacts with russia has changed a number of times, because remember the initial story was there were no contacts or meetings. they were dismissed out of hand. that has been proven false overtime. there was documentation of these meetings, e-mails, et cetera. and now you have president trump himself and others admitting that such meetings took place, but dismissing them as unimportant. the next story was that there was nothing untoward discussed in those meetings, that they were a matter of course, normal kinds of conversations during a
campaign between a nominee and an important foreign country and officials of that country. but we now learn, and again, there's documentation that there are e-mails that describe that russians were offering damaging information on then nominee trump's political opponent, hillary clinton and in more than one instance, beyond the trump tower meeting in june of 2016. now george papadopoulos describing other russians offering him similar dirt as it was described in the court documents. so the story has changed a number of times, and each time it's expanding. and we know that this is very much of interest to the special counsel's investigation. >> jim, i want to stick with you for a moment because i understand you have been doing more reporting late tonight on the russian investigationment what do you know? >> that's right. "the new york times" a short time ago broke a story that said that carter page had in fact met with russian, at least one russian government official during a trip to moscow during the summer of 2016.
i have since spoken to carter page himself just a couple of minutes ago. he confirms that this is true. he says, though, that this was not a formal meeting. that he met, in his words, this russian official. they were at the same event. they were both speaking at the same event at the new economic school in moscow and that he met him there. he said it was a matter of course because they were both participating in the same event. this person, i should add, was a senior russian official, a deputy foreign minister of russia. and i just want to look down at my notes here because i want to pronounce his name correctly. his -- it's arc ade-- and i have to -- i just have to get it right. >> that's all right. take your time. it's friday night. >> come back at me so i get it right because i don't want to misstate it. but it was the deputy foreign minister of russia. and again, carter page confirmed it took place, but again, he says it was not two officials sitting at either end of a conference room table but that
he met him as a matter of course during an event that they were both taking part in. now, the trouble, of course, is that in previous interviews when asked about these kinds of meetings in the past carter page has denied that they've taken place. >> matt, i want to bring you in. you heard the president say that he doesn't remember that national security meeting where papadopoulos proposed a putin meeting. it was just last week that he said this. watch this. >> there's no hesitation. one of the great memories of all time. >> so does the president have a selective memory? it was in july that he told "the new york times" he didn't remember details about his one-on-one meeting with comey. >> well, i think he's like everybody else. he doesn't remember everything. he should quit bragging about having a great memory. he's human. and so maybe he doesn't remember that. that's plausible. he meets a ton of people. who knows? but, look, the problem is it's hard to give any of these people the benefit of the doubt, right. carter page, what he just explained makes perfect sense.
you're speaking at an event. you bump into somebody else who is speaking there. is that a meeting? i don't know if that qualifies as a meeting. if that was the only instance, then you could just, you know, give him the benefit of the doubt. but it's like these things keep coming up. and so it's really hard to give these guys the benefit of the doubt because there's always whatever they're saying, there's another shoe to drop. >> yeah. the president is saying he doesn't remember another person in that meeting. j.d. gordon told cnn trump heard papadopoulos out. what do you think? >> who knows about that? here -- what i've been saying all along is they'd better be telling the truth, okay, because you've got this investigation now where you have the ability to indict people and squeeze them. you've had no-knock raids on peoples' houses. you've had their storage facilities raided. you've had donald trump's security guard, i think is going to be questioned now. anybody who is lying about
anything right now could go to jail just for that. if you're lying to the fbi, that is a crime. they are putting the squeeze on these people, and i do think some of these, especially the younger folk here, may be stupid enough to really get themselves in trouble. >> yeah. margaret, i want to bring you in. listen, margaret, i cover this every single night, and there's a lot of information. it's confusing. wait a minute, what's happening with this person? what's happening with this person? president trump's long-time adviser former bodyguard as matt just mentioned will face a wide range of questions on tuesday from congressional investigators including on the president's 2013 moscow trip and the firing of former fbi director james comey. he only left the white house in september. and again, when the president says this investigation has nothing to do with him, he's wrong. >> you cannot overstate how close these two men are.
what a confidant he has been to president trump. how sort of the president felt in those days after he left the house and returned to the private sector. what he saw, what he heard, obviously that's going to be of intense interest to investigators and to lawmakers. what he's going to share with them and what he actually did here is another matter. and when you talk about loyalists to the president, i'd be hard pressed to think of many people who are closer or more loyal. >> margaret, you're right. you could hardly get a picture with candidate trump, trump, you know, the real estate person, the candidate and then as president without shiller in the picture. i mean, they were together pretty much all of the time. jim, carter page spoke to jake tapper, as we have been talking about there. but listen, i want to move on because i want to talk about how significant these developments could be and what could come next. can more be coming next week? >> well, listen, just on carter
page now, so as we said earlier, i spoke to carter page tonight. he confirms what was first reported in "the new york times" and during this visit to moscow in the summer of 2016, he met with someone who was quite a senior russian official. his name, just to be clear, and i wanted to make sure i pronounced this correctly, but the deputy prime minister, like i said, carter page describes this not as a formal meeting, but that he met him in the course of an event in which they were both speaking in moscow at the new economic school of russia. and he described that meeting as sort of a passerby kind of meeting. met in the hallway backstage before they were both speaking at this event. but to be clear, carter page was on our air just a number of hours ago, jake tapper spoke to had him at length for a number of minutes and asked him a number of questions about whether meetings in this category took place, and he didn't say so. and now we are learning -- and again, i just spoke to him on the phone him saying yes indeed it again.
but again, from his perspective, it is something he does not describe as a formal meeting. that said of interest enough that we know that it was something that the house intelligence committee was questioning him about when he appeared earlier this week for a number of hours before the house intelligence committee, which is, of course, as part of its investigation looking at russian interference in the u.s. election. so as part of that questioning, this was a topic that came up, and he faced some hard questions about that. >> thank you all. it's been a long week. get some rest. recharge because next week i have a feeling will be another long week as well. i appreciate it. when we come back, attorney general jeff sessions denied meeting with russians before correcting himself. is he in legal trouble? i'll ask my experts. i love to eat. i love hanging out with my friends. i have a great fit with my dentures. i love kiwis. i've always had that issue with the seeds getting under my denture. super poligrip free. it creates a seal of the dentures in my mouth. even well fitting dentures let in food particles just a few dabs
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welcome back. before taking off on his asia trip today, president trump answered a few questions from reporters, and there's some bad news for jeff sessions. the president didn't rule out firing his attorney general. >> well, we're going to pearl harbor. [ inaudible ] >> i don't know. i'm really not involved with the justice department. i'd like to let it run itself. but honestly, they should be looking at the democrats. they should be looking at podesta and all of that dishonesty. they should be looking at a lot of things, and a lot of people are disappointed in the justice department, including me. >> let's discuss now. cnn legal analyst laura coates, former federal prosecutor and john flannery, former federal
prosecutor for the southern district of new york. welcome to the program. good evening all. >> hi. >> so, laura, the president is under the gun when it comes to russia, and as usual he's trying to deflect. today refusing to rule out firing his attorney general and pushing the justice department to go after his political enemies. is it just the latest outrageous statement just meant to distract? >> i think it's probably a distraction and an intentional trying to distract. but i think it's also confirmation he really fundamentally misunderstands how this whole thing works. the fact that he is not supposed to interfere with the fbi or justice department, not because they're trying to inconvenience him, but because it is a matter of policy you want those agencies to be independent. they are not the mayor nets of the president of the united states. they're supposed to make independent decisions based on their prosecutor editorial discussion. not about the vengeance or axis grounds by the white house. >> so, john, former president
obama aide tommy beater, if the press uncovered secret conversations between trump and doj where he pushed the fbi to investigate hillary, it would be a massive scandal. watergate level. but when he tweets repeatedly, it gets brushed off. do you agree? what would be the consequences? >> well, i do agree with that. there's like no boundaries for this fella. and it's like he deflects a punch by talking about what we should be doing about the democrats. he's fixed in the same thing in the election that got him into this trouble. that is to say that he's looking for stuff against hillary and he can't get over the fact that the fbi has twice cleared her, and so what does he expect the department to do? but he still talks about it because it's the only thing he can latch onto because he can't talk about anything else. and i think secretly or not, he's prepared to do the most boorish things. i mean, he is the original bull in a china shop, and the china shop is our legal system. >> interesting.
we're now to our attorney general jeff sessions denied meeting with russians. before correcting himself, he also said he didn't know of anyone from the campaign who did. this week's revelations contradict that. so is sessions in any legal trouble here? >> well, i think he is. >> that's for rinado. >> sorry. pardon me. >> that's okay. don, what i would say is mr. sessions in his testimony before congress did an expert job of avoiding answering questions. he tried to when he was giving the answer that you talked about he tried to qualify it later. i think at one point in the transcript, you know, he did, i think, directly say that you just mentioned. but in many other points he would say, well, when they would ask him, you know, were you aware of meetings with russian officials, he'd say, well, i was not aware of any meetings involving collusion or inclusion that would affect the election. he was always trying to qualify them. so, you know, i think that
realistically much of what he said sounded evasive but wasn't chargeable. it's possible that there may be a statement or two to congress that is chargeable as a crime. as viewers may not know, lying to congress is a crime. but you have to prove that he knowingly did so. so i imagine the defense is going to be from jeff sessions and his team is that he didn't remember at the time. you know, he misremembered, et cetera. those cases can be more challenging to prove than you think, and i certainly do think that the attorney general is doing his very best to expertly avoid, you know, being charged with a crime. >> so, laura, should sessions come back to correct his testimony to congress? >> well, i mean, if they'll have him, and i'm sure they'll welcome it. however, it would put him into greater legal jeopardy for this reason. selective amnesia really does breed suspicion and increased scrutiny. part of the role for the fbi and any investigator worth their
chaps is to have the hairs on the back of their neck raised whenever somebody tries to qualify statements and give different caveats and contingencies to try to make their statement make sense. and i think that's what's going to get him in the most trouble of all is that he continues to try to give different reiterations of what he's originally said. and the problem it behooves him at this point knowing that he is the top attorney in the land i think earned know better than anyone else that to qualify statements and continue to try to re-explain them would put him in jeopardy and have accusations of perjury be much more supported than they would before. >> so, john, you want to weigh in? >> yeah. one of the things that's interesting about his lack of memory is that he doesn't remember any meetings and then when he's confronted with the meeting with papadopoulos, he says he knows specifically what
happened at it and he speaks against the trip to russia. so the meeting he didn't remember. he now remembers what was said at it and it's an exculpatory statement as we're considering whether or not the campaign is mixing visits and associations with russians during the campaign. so that's the kind of thing you would look at, this kind of selective memory that laura was referencing when you have a person who he remembers no meetings and had nothing to do with the campaign. now forced to confront things, he grudgingly admits what he's confronted with and no more. and he now also remembers that he said affirmatively we shouldn't have any trips. and then there are, of course, trips. >> we talked about this a little bit in the last segment. cnn has learned that long-time donald trump bodyguard keith schiller will be questioned by investigators about the president's trip to russia in 2013. what kind of questions do you think investigators will ask him? >> wow. well, whenever you have somebody
with that level of access to the president, i would think investigators are going to ask him everything that the president heard, everything the president said, everything that the president reacted to or whatever feelings he had. really trying to get a complete picture of what -- you know, what the president did, saw, heard and who he interacted with in russia. someone like that man is very much like a human listening device to the extent to which he's truthful and forthcoming. >> john, what did you want to say? >> well, there's a very interesting way to do that which follows these categories, which is to take the e-mails that trump junior had that he first lied about and to drill down with the correspondents with the person who was with trump back in 2013 at the beauty contest and with his bodyguard and who is arranging the meeting at trump tower during the election to get the dirt from the prosecutor general of russia by a former prosecutor, russian
prosecutor from moscow. that's really pertinent stuff. and he may, quote, not recall anything, but i think his energy will be focused when the fbi is talking to him. >> speaking of what they're going to ask him -- go ahead, laura. >> and here is why the timing is so important. remember, 2013 is the time that donald trump went to moscow for that miss universe pageant, and the bodyguard was accompanying him on that particular trip. you may think to yourself 2013 predates the presidential election and probably before the president of the united states even declared that he was running for office. so why is that important? and that's where you have the domino effect of what happened with mueller's indictments for manafort and gates. the idea that during the course of an investigation that was centered around the collusion alleged during the campaign, you have to figure out where the foundation for potential interference would come from. was there information in the dossier, was it information that was gleaned in 2013 that would have compromised now president of the united states in a way
that would have made his team more susceptible to being involved in collusion, so you've got manafort and gates' indictments and you've got mueller's team who really is following their charge of anything that arises out of the course of their investigation, they're following the money and now they're following the passports. >> thank you all. appreciate it. when we come back, the president attacking one of his favorite targets. guess who? hillary clinton and clinton's own party may be giving him the ammo. we35 mules,ur doors with 70 mega-watts, and an ice plant. but we brought power to the people- redefining what that meant from one era to the next. over 90 years later, we continue to build as america's 3rd largest investor in infrastructure. we don't just help power the american dream... we're part of it.
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the president on his way to asia trying to deflect this week's revelations on the russia investigation calling on the justice department to again investigate hillary clinton. i want to bring in political commentator keith boykin, ed martin, simone sanders, and republican strategist rick wilson. hello, welcome to the show. let's see. rick, i'll start with you. it was just monday morning that robert mueller announced indictments against paul manafort and rick gates, a surprise guilty plea from a former trump campaign adviser, george papadopoulos, who admitted to lying about having contacts with russians during
the campaign. muler is also set to question trump's former bodyguard, keith schiller. white house aide hope hicks. how bad do you think this is for the president? >> here is the thing i find most amusing. there are a lot of people on the trump side of the fence who thought hillary clinton or podesta were going to be indicted this week. and the fact of the matter is mueller laid out one card. he's got a whole hand full and frankly has probably got a royal flush in here. and these guys have had a catastrophic week and the ones that don't understand that are just too dumb to figure it out yet. this has been extraordinarily bad for this president and the fact that he's going to asia for a week is a nice escape route for him, but i don't think it stops the grinding process here. and trump is going to be very nervous, especially about hope and about schiller. >> ed, i'm looking at you. >> well, don, i mean, look, rick has been locked into a mode for a year and a half. i mean, this is one of the best
weeks when they look back on this week, we're going to talk, don, about how this is the week the democrats lost the 2018 election. the exposure of the cheating by hillary clinton at the dnc makes it clear you can't trust the democrats. and then by the way -- >> that would be like a fart in a hurricane. >> hold on. >> listen, let me finish. listen, let me finish. it's very simple question. who do you trust, democrats or republicans? >> not donald trump. >> but wait a second. don, you asked me a question. this president this week confirmed five judges, conservative right wing judges that rick wilson says he likes, he confirmed five this week. the announcement today was the best jobs report that anybody could see coming. unemployment is down. you guys are missing a great presidency, because you're yelling "russia, russia, russia." >> you're juggling a lot there. god love him. it was about the russia investigation. but to his point. >> well, don -- >> you were asked about the week. it's a great week for trump. >> yeah, okay.
>> it's a great week. >> it's not been a great week for donald trump. and no amount of spin in the world -- >> there's no spin. >> -- can manufacture that. i agree that the jobs numbers are up, that nasdaq, dow, everything is up. >> five judges. >> i'm not here for those right wing judges because i really do care about criminal justice reform. but i will tell you is you can talk about the job numbers, but that builds on the enormous success of the obama presidency. he has no major legislative accomplishments. the republicans are fighting on the hill about what to do about tax reform. folks are still talking about repealing and replacing obamacare. and this white house is yelling oh, no one has anything to do with collusion or russia and everybody who has ever been on the trump payroll it seems like is being paraded in front of the special counsel. so this is definitely a problematic week for this white house. >> you know how you know it's a bad week? donald trump is on twitter. he's attacking his own attorney general. he's attacking the justice department.
he's attacking the fbi. >> he does that all the time. he does it all the time. >> he's attacking the fbi. he's attacking the u.s. military judge. he's attacking hillary clinton, barack obama. he recycled the old attack against pocahontas, elizabeth warren. he's on a tirade on twitter today because he really literally is understanding that his presidency is disintegrating before his own eyes. bob corker who has already been a critic, came out today and said this is totally inappropriate. at what point will republicans start to realize that just calling something totally inappropriate, you have to take action. and just one little comment about those jobs numbers, they're actually down from where they were last year. we had more jobs created in the first ten months of 201 than 2017. >> stay with me, everyone. when we come back, hillary clinton is putting herself in the spotlight again, but is she playing into trump's hands, giving him a target? directv has been rated #1 in customer satisfaction over cable for 17 years running.
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back now with my panel. simone sanders, you first. there's been a lot of talk about the the revelations in donna brazil's book where she writes that the dnc and clinton campaign had entered into a fund-raising agreement that gave the clinton campaign a great amount of control over the party because she had locked up the nomination. but today the mmo obtained by cnn, we learned that the agreement was meant only for the general election, not the primaries, and that both campaigns had signed the same agreements. we discussed that last night, both campaigns had signed the same agreements. so what happened here, simone? >> well, what i'll note both campaigns did sign a joint fund-raising agreement with the democratic national committee. the difference between what we signed and the agreement everyone has now seen at this point details some language about staffing, oversight, fund-raising and some research stuff and all of these things were signed into and codified into, if you will, contract in september of 2015. but what i'll say, whether it was hillary clinton, papa smurf,
boo-boo the cat or whatever, that agreement that the dnc entered into was improper. >> so yes or no, was it rigged? >> well, look, did somebody have their thumb on the scale, the dnc for hillary clinton's campaign? yes. but were the primaries themselves rigged, no. because if you know anything about the democratic primary process, that's not how it looks. >> elizabeth warren, she left no doubt about what she thinks. >> very quickly, senator, do you agree with the notion that it was rigged? >> yes. >> all right. >> was it rigged or was it just hillary being hillary? ed? >> oh, look, i think -- you're asking me or rick? >> go ahead, rick. sorry. sorry, rick. >> look, this is classic clinton. she's methodical, she's plotting. she's an apparatchik. and of course, they were going to do this. of course they were going to go and make these arrangements for fund-raising. both parties make these
arrangements with candidates in the general. both parties do these kind of operations. it's not really surprising. i didn't find the brazile revelations all that shocking or disturbing. it's just sort of like, you know, but obviously these scandals that are building up, they're going to lead to the impeachment of president clinton anytime now because that's obviously all that donald trump can think about is how hillary is just ruining this country as president. it's time for robert mueller to really go after the real criminal here which is hillary clinton. >> two things. i had the same when i heard the thing i was like didn't we go through this through the campaign because bernie sanders and his folks said all the time that it was rigged. and some of this stuff was pointed out. the other thing is apparatchik is one of my favorite words and you used it. i'm going to send you a bottle of wine. >> hey, don, i want to say something more broadly. i think maybe rick will agree with this. both parties have been what we say as corrupt. both parties are used as money
laundering entities. i was on the rnc from 2013 to 2015 and i kept saying the same consultants are making millions of dollars to do things like data and media buys and they're putting their thumb on the scale for a system that favored jeb and marco. donald trump blew that up. it was extraordinary. and bernie sanders almost did. when the american people, both parties, remember, sanders got millions of and votes. they look at the party system and they say they're both corrupt. and the people are right. and i think you're going to see the democrats have to face it sooner, but the republican party is not exempt. trump does not have control of this sort of consulting class that makes money by laundering money through these parties. and it's a huge problem. >> clinton kept a very low profile in the immediate aftermath of the election. these days she is much more visible now. here she is on the daily show criticizing president trump's leadership style. watch this. >> you know, of course he can have his own point of view and push his policies. that goes with the job. >> right.
>> but not to continue to divide americans against each other. so he just doesn't have any empathy, and you can disagree with somebody over all kinds of partisan issues, but you want to have a president who can try to put himself into the shoes, the feelings of somebody else. >> right. >> and he has not been able to do that. >> and this question is by no means a criticism. hillary clinton is a private citizen. she's free to go on tv and speak as much as she wants. but do you think that she is giving president trump and republicans the ammunition they need to distract to point away from russia, because the polls will show that people dislike hillary clinton, republicans, more than they like donald trump. >> yeah. >> and he knows that. >> donald trump is going to attack hillary clinton regardless of whether she has a book tour or whether she says something or doesn't say something. remember when the harvey weinstein story broke they said how come hillary clinton didn't
speak up in the first 72 hours. well, now as soon as hillary clinton does say something, well, why is hillary clinton speaking? you can't have it both ways. you can't see -- look, the election was 360 days ago, and donald trump is still relitigating that election from 2016. >> oh, my gosh. has it been that long? >> it's high humor for hillary clinton to talk about people with empathy. if there's one thing the american people know she has no feeling for people, okay -- >> wait. hold on. hold on. >> that's totally -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> hold on a second. let me say something. >> that's totally obvious. >> she's the one who helped to get the children's health insurance bill -- >> oh, give me a break. she's somebody who doesn't have empathy or concern for people. don't just go calling somebody crooked because donald trump says it. >> i'm saying it. >> she's a loser. >> i think -- no. [ overlapping speakers ]
>> these are the facts. the fact of the matter is the -- >> she lost. that's the fact. >> be quiet. no. no. hillary clinton -- the fact of the matter is hillary clinton was the first woman to be the candidate for a major presidential party. >> rigged. it was a rigged primary. she rigged it. she cheated. >> i'm sorry. i worked there. are you going to literally sit here and tell me about what i experienced? i'm literally telling you, one, hillary clinton has the right to be in this space. we're not going to tell her to shut up. we're not going to tell bernie sanders to shut up. >> i didn't tell her to shut up. >> i too, it wasn't rigged. the people have their hands and maybe their whole foot on the scale, yes. but knowing that i worked there, our campaign made calculated decisions that resulted in us not being victorious. >> and bernie sanders. >> yes. bernie sanders, our campaign. we made calculations decisions that resulted in us not being victorious. now, were things happening at the dnc that contributed to us not being victorious, yes.
but were they the main factor, no. and i do not want to continue to relitigate the 2016 election. i think it's more that as we move forward we preserve the integrity of our democratic process. >> i agree -- >> i've got -- >> whoa, whoa. rick, i have to say it's interesting to hear democrats say, yeah, they think that things need to be changed, that their thumb was on the scale but by no means did it cause bernie sanders to lose the nomination. you don't hear republicans saying the same thing about the russia meddling in our election. they just keep saying it's fake. there's a difference there, isn't it? >> nuance. >> well, look, the folks around trump have built this entire art -- artifice up, and their entire argument rests on the dossier is fake, all the investigations are fake. all the intelligence agencies are lying. russia never did anything. they're perfectly nice people. vladimir putin is a swell guy and donald trump is the only one telling the truth in this entire process.
and as you can already see, that artifice is falling apart. that edifice is cracking. there is nothing that is going to sustain them through this except, you know, the pretend fantasy bubble, the her metric bubble around donald trump supporters where they think everything -- they're going to find piles of evidence -- bob muler has a mountain of evidence about donald trump and russia and about the campaign and russia and about russia's attempts to manipulate the election. >> i've got to run. >> this is not going to go well for them. >> thank you. when we come back, enough blockbuster news in the past week to last a month and most of it hasn't been good news for the president. but what do people across the country think? our radio guys will fill us in next. so, verizon and google have teamed up on the pixel 2. it's a match made in tech heaven. it's like verizon is the oil and google is the balsamic. no, actually they separate into a suspension. it's more like the google pixel 2 is the unlimited storage. and verizon is the best unlimited plan.
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president trump has arrived in hawaii on his way to asia for a 12-day trip with a dark cloud of russia's election meddling hanging over him. i want to bring in now two men who have the ear of america. john frederick, syndicated talk radio host who is a former co-chair of the trump campaign in virginia. and joe madison, a host on sirius xm. good evening. welcome to the program. joe. this has been a whirlwind week for president trump, the trump administration. two former campaign aides have been indicted. another pled guilty to lying to the fbi. and e-mails reveal that aide
repeatedly tried to set up meetings with vladimir putin. overall, would you say this is a good week or a bad week for the president? >> oh, it's been a bad week. i initially was prepared to say it was mixed because again, he's going to take credit for the job numbers. but before john gets started, let's be honest. he inherited a great job numbers that were given to him by president barack obama. much better situation than barack obama got. so good week there. and if i were in the trump camp i'd be bragging about that. so we can put that aside. but when you get three people on your campaign -- and please, john, done say that the one young man was nothing more than a coffee boy. coffee boys do not sit in high-level meetings over at least two or three times. the reality is any administration in their right
mind would know that this is serious and more is to come. the other thing that i think, and i'll conclude by saying, this tax proposal that he is presenting, to try to sell to the american people that $1,100 -- oh, gee. just think how much that's going to get you. well, let's see. that's $3.20 a day. now, you tell me what most people can do with $3.20 a day, and that's on average. so all in all, maybe it's a good thing he's leaving the country. >> john, a new "washington post"/abc poll shows nearly half of americans believe president trump likely committed a crime in connection with russia's election meddling. the president has been trying to deflect and distract attention. but is he failing to convince americans there is no there there, there's nothing there? >> well, maybe they're watching cnn as you guys blast him 24/7
and that's skewing some of the poll numbers. let me just start with joe's $1,100 and i'll get to your question. joe, that is so elitist and so new york and so i'm making $400,000 and so what does $1,000 mean to a family of four. >> joe's in virginia, by the way. he lives in virginia, i think. right? >> he doesn't know where i am or what he's talking about. >> we have so many working people, whether it's virginia or anywhere, that $100 a month, when you're making $60,000 with a family of four, these are working people. that $100 a month, joe, is a car payment. it's football practice. it's baseball shoes. it's -- >> oh, john, it's all of the above and sometimes they both come at the same time. and then these people -- you want to take the editist view -- >> you want to take the elitist view that $1,100 doesn't matter to average working people. >> what is elitist is when you give billionaires 400, 500
thousand dollars. that's the elitist in the group. you're right. it is a payment on the car. it is a cell phone car. and guess what, sometimes they all show up in one month. >> joe. the tax plan of donald trump has nothing to do with tax breaks for millionaires. actually taxes for people that make over a million dollars are going up pretty significantly. and they have that new -- >> so joe -- >> -- rate in there that takes this into account. this is a tax cut for middle-class working americans which is the trump revolution. >> john -- >> you refuse to understand -- >> john, please stop. john. please stop. the question was a new "washington post"/abc poll shows nearly half of americans president trump likely committed a crime in connection with russia's election meddling. the president has been trying to deflect and distract attention. but i'm wondering if he's failing to convince americans
there is nothing there. that's the question. >> the same polls that predicted that hillary clinton would win in a landslide are now saying this. it's all nonsense. fake news. fake polls. there is don and joe, i know you're going to be really disappointed. there is -- >> i'm not disappointed. i'm just asking you the question. you're answering it. >> i'm answering it. paul manafort and rick gates are bad guys. they're bad guys. the biggest mistake that donald trump made had nothing to do with russian collusion or breaking the law. it was hiring paul manafort. >> and papadopoulos? >> this was a disastrous decision -- papadopoulos is a volunteer. let me tell you about papadopoulos. he came in -- >> and flynn? >> no one ever saw him -- you asked me about papadopoulos. no one ever saw him in trump tower. he started -- >> i was just going through the list of people who have been fired or let go or -- >> you've got to get your facts
straight. >> -- some connections to russia. >> you asked me a question. i never get a chance to answer it. >> well, because -- guess what? we're out of time because you go on and you filibuster. john, let me tell you this. i have -- john, let me tell you this. >> he's a volunteer. >> i have time constraints on this show. you go on and you filibuster i ask you a question and you don't answer. you answer something else. >> because you don't want the answer. >> you don't answer -- john, please let me talk. can you please let me talk? you don't answer a direct question. if i ask you a question, if i say hey, john, what color is the sky, you go, well, the sky, that's not important, let's talk about the tax cuts. i didn't ask you a question about tax cuts. i asked you about a poll. huh answered the poll question directly, you would have had plenty of time for you to finish your answer. but you didn't do that. and now i have to go to the break because i have to get to another segment. thank you gentlemen for coming on. when we come back, breaking news tonight on the russia investigation. cnn's jim sciutto just spoke with carter page, and he has new
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