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you're live in the cnn news room. great to have you with us. right now, president trump is en route to japan. the first stop that will take him to five countries in 13 days all amid concerns about a nuclear north korea and while president will have plenty on his plate abroad, the trip comes at the end of a landmark week and robert mueller's russia investigation, including two indictments, one guilty plea and plenty of questions abo ant h t 2016 meeting when according to court documents, a foreign
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policy adviser says he floated the idea setting up a visit between then candidate trump and russian president putin. we have a team of analysts standing by, but i want to begin with cnn white house reporter jeremy dimon joining us from tokyo where the president will arrive later this evening. how crucial is this trip? >> reporter: first on the agenda is going to be addressing the north korean crisis. the president this week is is going to be meeting with the top leaders in the region who are most essential to this problem. he's first in japan then he'll be meeting with the south korean leader as well as the chinese president xi. this comes all as the national security adviser warns that united states and the world really is quote running out of time when it comes to address ing the north korean crisis. this crisis is of course grown by the week. the risk of potential military
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confrontation and this may be the president's best chance yet to work with leaders in the region to try and rally them around the common strategy. that of course is going to be difficult. we know this is a president who has repeatedly undermined his administration's strategy. whether his secretary of state rex tillerson when he was trying to open communication with north korea, perhaps less communications. so this is going to be the test for the president is whether he can present this kind of clear, coherent u.s. strategy when it comes to this rally u.s. allies and kind of try and bring an end to this crisis. >> now on the russia proposal, jere jeremy, the president has insisted he doesn't remember much when george papadopoulos mentioned the possibility of a meeting with putin, but take a listen to how that compares last week. >> i don't remember much about that meeting. it was a very unimportant meeting. took place a long time. don't remember much about it.
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>> i'm a very intelligent person. >> one of the great memories of all time. >> so what else are we learning about that meeting? >> yeah, that's right. it is interesting to hear the president say that. when of course he was saying just a couple of days ago that he does not really recall that meeting and that he characterizeded it as unimportant. you know, we were told by a source who was in the meeting that the president, then candidate trump, didn't dismiss the idea of meeting with russian president vladimir putputin. the source says he didn't say yes or no. but it's a convenience for the white house to say the president doesn't recall the meeting. maybe it was one o of the many, many meetings he has that he didn't quite recall as well. >> thank you for that reporting. now as the mueller probe intensify ps, president trump is getting more aggressive with his criticism of the justice department. tweeting people are angry at
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some point, the justice department and fbi must do what is right and proper. the american public deserves it. then as the president prepared to leave for asia, he also said this. >> i'm really not involved with the justice department. i'd like to let it run itself, but honestly, they should be looking at the democrats. they should be looking at podesta and all of that dishonesty. they should be looking at a lot of things and a lot of people are disappointed in the justice department including me. >> and here's the president in a radio interview earlier this week. seeming to lament his lack of control over the justice department. >> the saddest thing is that i'm the president of the united states, i am not supposed to be involved with the justice department. i'm not supposed to be involved with the fbi. i'm not supposed to be doing the kind of things that i would love to be doing and i'm very frustrated by it. >> want to bring in our panel.
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cnn presidential historian, douglas brinkley. former frl prosecutor and writer for the right turn blog for the "washington post," jennifer reuben. doug, the president is upset he can't direct investigations by the justice department. what's your reaction to that? >> well, donald trump seems very nervous. he's turning on his own justice department. it may not be an accident, but on friday, a martin luther king document got released where the fbi just looks terrible like they were hounding martin lewiser king jr. and now today's fbi where along with our old friend mueller is hounding him. this puts jeff sessions i think attorney general in a very weird position. on the one hand, the president of the united states distrusts jeff sessions in many ways. he lambastes him publicly. on the other hand, the democrats led by al franken, don't trust the attorney general. they think sessions has been lying about what he knows about russia and the campaign so it's going to be interesting in amy
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mind, to see where this leads to and what role jeff sessions plays in the coming weeks. >> we heard the president say he couldn't remember that controversial campaign meeting when george papadopoulos brought up the idea of a putin meeting. how effective is that i don't remember as a legal defense? >> well it can be effective as a legal defense. in the sense that you know, it a allow us you to avoid answering the question. it makes it hard for you to be charged with committing perjury for example because if you don't remember something, it's hard to disprove that. what i do, what i have found in my career when i was a, spent a decade as a federal prosecutor is that people who the tend to misremember or forget things or don't recall things lose a lot of credibility with the jury. so the question is just whether or not mr. mueller will find enough other evidence to make mr. trump or others like mr. sessions pay the price for
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suddenly not having a good memories. i will, i do find that, i did find in my career that being veinvestigated by the fbi tende to affect people's nerves. >> now, jennifer, attorney general jeff sessions seems to have a case of russian amnesia as well and now there are congress members saying he perjured himself during congressal hearings. here's a reminder of what he said. >> you don't believe that surrogates from trump campaign had communications with the russians. is that what you're saying? sfwl i did not and i'm not aware of anyone else that did. and i don't believe it happened. >> well this week, former campaign policy adviser, carter paige, says he told sessions he planned to take a trip to russia during the campaign and on top of that, adviser george papadopoulos said he also talked to sessions about arranging a meeting with trump and putin. how much trouble could sessions be in? >> i think a lot of trouble.
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he's already changed his testimony a couple of times. he went from not having any meetings to having a couple of meeting with a ambassador from russia, but allegedly not about that campaign. to this now, contradiction. i think the senate is going to be after him to explain himself. not only to senator franken write a letter along with other democrats demanding answers, but the number two man on the republican leadership team, john cornyn, said this is something that needs to be looked into. listen, this guy played a central role. not only was he in that room when george papadopoulos was saying he was trying to set up a meeting with put p. we have carter paige's testimony and then he was involved in helping to draft memos that terminated the employment of james comey. so was he very much aware that russia was on the mind? if so and he's arranging to in essence, fire the man who is investigating them, that's a
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problem for jeff sessions. and i think he's going to be one for whom there's going to be a lot of pressure on and the special prosecutor is going to take his time building the case, working his way up the chain. but i think mr. sessions is going to have a lot of difficulty. >> so with all these different players, sessions, paige, jared kushner, his name has come back up this week. trump's senior adviser, his son-in-law. we learned he turned over documents to the special counsel as investigators look into the firing of fbi director, james comey. we also know keith schiller, who hand delivered the comey firing letter, will go before the house intel committee this comie ing week. can the president say this has nothing to do with him? >> no, in this probe is close ing in on the president. it's like a vice grip. but there may be people that are fall guys. iran contra with ronald reagan, people like oliver north took the hit and not the president himself. reagan went on tv and constantly
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did the my, he said my mind and my heart tells me i didn't do it. but the facts speak otherwise. was able to get around it. jared cukushner, i think, by th end of this process, may very well have to leave government. he may be just as bill clinton got disbarred from the legal profession during the lewinsky scandal, you might have kushner being punished. but the big question is will this touch trump? is there enough plausible identity? we know trump doesn't use e-mail. you're not going to find an e-mail record. did somebody tape record him? is it going to be trump's word versus flynn's word and we think kushner is going to be loyal to his father-in-law. he may know a lot of secret, but it's not clear if he's going to spill them even if the fbi lays out documents in front of him saying you're busted. >> do you believe the president himself is going to have to ultimately explain to the special counsel what he knew,
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when he knew it? can you see a circumstance in which that doesn't happen? >> not really. first of all, there's no serious question that the president of the united states is now under investigation. you look at the document requests that mr. mueller presented to the white house. that he has requests are asking for documents related to the firing of james comey. firing of michael flynn. the statement that was allegedly dictated by the president relating to the trump tower meeting and a variety of other events that are specific to the actions of the president of the united states. so the question is is there ever going to be a time where mr. mueller decides that he has enough information that he doesn't need the president's account of events or is enough information you know that he can sort of rule out any wrong doing by the president. realistically, it's hard for me to see a circumstance under which you know, either of those circumstances come to pass.
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i think in any investigation of a matter in which the president was the person who did the action in the case of james comey, the firing of james comey, i don't see how you conclude that. >> now the president has tried to turn the narrative upside down in the past. he's poked holes in the crede bability of mueller. seen other republicans do that same thing, yet jennifer, this is a really interesting poll that just came out this week. when americans were asked what they think about these investigati investigation, first of all, nearly half believe president trump likely committed a crime during the campaign and just three in ten americans surveyed think this that alleged wrong doing ends with those who were charged just this week by the special counsel. on top of that, we know about two-thirds of the americans approve of robert mueller's investigation. what does this tell you? >> it tells me they need a new
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strategy. mueller doesn't care b about all this dust being blown up in his face and apparently, the american people aren't buy iingt either. it's largely due and a compliment to mr. mueller, who has let his work do the talking. you don't see him giving press conferences, making statements, retaliating against the president when president questions his conduct or his ethics. so he is methodically doing his job, bit by bit, a former fbi director himself and i think people are impressed. certainly lawyers and people who are involved in these kinds of investigations were impressed with those two inindictments and with the plea bargain as well. he is working very carefully. very slowly and he's going to have a lot of information by the team he reaches the president. >> very quickly, do you expect we'll see additional legal action taken anytime soon after that initial dump earlier this past week? >> there's no question there's
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going additional charnlit's jus matter of when. how soon is soon. i don't know about that, but they're coming. >> all right, thank you all for joining us. and coming up, a bombshell new report about dnc chair, donna brazile, why she once considered replacing hillary clinton with joe biden as the 2006 team 2016 democratic nominee. and later, two former presidents break the code of silence to unleash on donald trump. just wait until you hear what they said. plus, a full-court press at twitter at a rogue employee takes down the president's account. how did it happen and what's twitter doing about it? all that and much more live in the cnn news room.
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as the 2016 democratic presidential nomineement now this possible switch with biden crossed brazil's mind after clinton fainted at the 9/11 memorial service in new york last year. this is according to brazile's new book. let's talk it over with former chairman of the washington, d.c. democratic party and cnn political commentatocommentatoi sanders. scott, what do you make of this? >> i got to tell you, those excerpts today for hard for a good democrat like me to read. i must say, she unloaded. i thought that the when i got done reading it, i thought that gop had gotten to donna brazile and she had flipped and is now testifying against the democrats. i also think this. that it feeds into donald trump's narrative, if you will,
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and you've heard him jump on this. so i think it's difficult and i really am not sure why the timing was, my last thought on the book itself was simply this. this idea of replacing hillary clinton simply is unrealistic. the rules don't allow for it and she never got out of the race. now, if she had gotten out of the race, it would have been a very public process, consulting with senators and congressman, as well as governors. not sure if she could make that change, but she could start the ball. hillary clinton would have to get out of the race. >> that's true. dnc officials are saying brazile did not have any authority to do what she said she was thinking. there was no vacancy, but it's sure to stir a lot of emotion inside the party. we heard it from scott but, what do you see as the impact of this? >> i want to be really clear. a couple of weeks ago, maybe a month now, all the times are running together. secretary clinton came out with her book and so many people were like why now? why is she saying this?
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i said secretary clinton is entitled to tell her story. much like secretary clinton, don donna brazile is entitled to tell her story. some folks may have differences, but she is absolutely entitled to tell her story and that's what we're going to see. >> sorry. >> this is her vantage point of the story. i think what's important is that now, democrats, we have a really frank conversation about what's going on inside of our party, what what has happened and about what will happen going forward and that we are better than we were last year, but we cannot allow this to district us. tax reform is something we need to be paying attention to. the repeating attempts to repeal and replace obamacare and abortion ban on republicans to ban abortion before women are able to find out if they're pregnant. elections are happening next tuesday. this is a conversation it
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shall -- to take our eyes off the ball. >> the response, letterm's get out now. really focus on the common opponent, which is donald trump and the gop. but i will tell you this, not wi withstanding her right to do the book, we're going to hear about this book and these allegations in 2018. 20 and even i'd say next week in some of the state primary, state general elections we have next to us in virginia. and so this is a very dangerous time. these are dangerous words. and now it's another hurdle i think dems have to overcome because the gop and donald trump are going to use it in their narrative to strengthen their narrative against democrats. >> it definitely paints a picture though of deviciveness that's happening inside the
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democratic party. bust simone, i want to ask you about some information that came out and what we learned this week, this unethical agreement she alleges hillary clinton's campaign and the democratic national committee to keep the party afloat financially. now we're getting more information about that knowing this that was an agreement signed in august of 2015. it gave some authority to the clinton camp over spending in the general election primarily, which is standard practice and it also gave her role though here in helping the dnc choose officials and communications, research, and technology in primary season. i think that's what a lot of people are taking note of. do you think hillary clinton owes bernie sanders an apology? >> look, what i think is it has been very clear from a lot of folks, from bernie sanders campaign, myself included, that there was lots of people who work ed at the democratic national committee in 2015 that had their whole hands, feet, and
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fingers on the scale r for hillary clinton. i'm going to say right now that i do thot think the primaries were rigged because if you know how they're set up, the individual states and individual states administer the caucuses and the primaries. if you ask me about the debate schedule, that was definitely manufactured so it did not benefit everybody on the democratic ticket. but what i think is important here is this. that we now have real revelations, now all the totalities of the american people know. what many people have known inside the democratic party for a while, a lot of nefarious things went on in 2016, things that compromised the integrity of the democratic national committee. because of that, we need to committee to commit to transparency going forward. to the party officers being fully involved, to party delegates such as myself, to have full understanding of what is going on on the side of the democratic national committee so we do not compromise the integrity of our party or the election process. that's what's needed going
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forward. >> it's an appearance issue more than anything. i also think this. i think that bernie sanders, if he were a democrat -- >> okay, scott. >> if he were a democrat, i think we could have avoided a lot of this stuff, but the integrity of the party, an optics issue more than a substance issue, but it needs to be reformed. >> hold on one second. >> need to be reformed before 2018. >> let me be really clear. the agreement that the democratic national committee entered into with the clinton campaign in august of 2015 was a bad deal and whether it was -- >> were you offered the same deal though. >> be clear. >> he turned it down. >> i don't want to litigate the 2016 election, but i want to be clear that nbc and abc had the agreement that our campaign signed and it didn't say anything about oversight of staffing or hiring so that is not same deal. we need to kill those talking points right where they are. >> also, i think it's important
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also to have full transparency. also bernie sanders did not raise any money for the dnc. >> i don't believe i'm having to break this down for the american people. there's a difference between a joint fund raising agreement and added addendum that keeps the democratic party afloat. these are two separate things. yes, bernie sanders sign ed the joint fund raising agreement for the democratic national committee. which he never raised funds for. but there's a separate issue of a loan, if you will, the democratic national committee being strapped for cash and entering into a loan adwreemt with someone who would happen to be b a candidate for president. look, this regardless of who it was, it was a bad deal for the democratic national committee to enter into. it compromised the integrity of the party and that is why we're having the conversation right now. >> i think guy, we've got to leave it there. but thing, we are learning a lot more about how the political process works through the past year's election. thank you both for sharing your
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interview. >> former president bush told wrou when trump entered the race, he thought -- >> interesting won't last. >> won't last. >> won't last. but when trump started to rise, i think he became concerned. because he saw this populism of donald trump getting in the way of america's position in the world. >> he gave you rare insight though. into his criticism. of donald trump. what did he tell you? >> one of the things he said was that one of the hallmarks of great leadership is humility. so when donald trump said i amy o my own adviser, bush thought, and this is a quote, this guy doesn't know what it means to be president. >> what was his tone when he talked to you about trump? >> restrained. the bushs are very retrained and i think they realize they have a role to play as former
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presidents and they have to be restrained. dig nified. >> he weighed his words. >> i think he did, yes. >> president bush 41 was blunter. he said he thought donald trump had quote a certain ego and then he told you point-blank -- >> he's a blow hard. he's a blow hard. and said i don't like him. plain and simple. and i'm not excited about him being a leader. was hit quote. if you look at the bush family, it makes perfect sense. donald trump is everything that the bush family is not. george bush grew up thinking about the greater good. donald trump i think is manifestly narsistic. it's part of his brand. that brand is the antithesis of the bush brand. >> how do you think these two men feel that donald trump is is now the standard bearer of the
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republican party? >> i think it's pretty clear if you look at their records and views politically, i'm going to quote george h.w. bush, they're not excite d about donald trump being our leader. that's not a leap of faith. that's pretty clear. and i think the most clear demonstration we get of that recently is charlottesville. the bush s came out with a joint tweet, which they had never done in the past, condemning antisemitism and all the things that were on display in charlottesville among the white supremacists. that was a clear betrayal of american values and the bushs came out with that. i think that spoke resoundingly about the void in leadership they were seeing from the white house. >> there are a lot of quotes from the bushs that are going to make news. in this book. bush 43 talks about whether vice president dick cheney had played an outsized role in his
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presidency. something that gets talked about all the time, was dick cheney too powerful. bush 43 told you. >> well, he was talking about the neo concerns in general and specifically, about cheney and rums field. and he said and i quote, cheney, rums field never made one [ bleep ] decision. >> that's the quote. >> i understand his frustration because at the time, dick cheney was the acting president, but george w. bush had a lifetime of making bold decisions. he has this natural confidence in himself as a leader and the you talk to those around him, they have confidence in his leadership. and so this notion that cheney was making the decisions is ludicrous. >> when you started to write this book, let me guess, the title was not the last republicans. >> when i set out to write this in 2013, it was a very different time. but the last republicans became
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the right title during what has become the trump era. >> because? >> well, you know, george w. bush himself said in 2016, private and to me, i fear that i'll be the last republican president. >> he confirmed that to you. >> he confirmed that to me and it wasn't just about hillary clinton becoming president. it was because donald trump represented everything that the bushs abhorred. >> our thanks to jamie for that interview and in response to the comments, a white house official tells cnn this. if one presidential candidate can disassemble a political party, it speaks volumes about how strong a legacy its past two presidents had and that begins with the iraq war, one of the greatest foreign policy mistabs in american history. president trump remains focused on keeping his promises to the american people by bringing back jobs, promoting an american first foreign policy and standing up for the forgotten men an women of her great
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the actor. all of whom say the actor created a toxic work environment for young men. they described his behavior as predatory, including nonconsentual touching and crude comments. one claims spacey sexually assaulted him. you called dozens of employees, people who worked on house of cards. >> over 100. >> what more are you hear something. >> so as the story has broken in the past few days since we you know, opened wide this you know, epidemic on the show at the h d hands of kevin spacey, the ep and the star, more accusers are coming out every day. they're reaching out to me with their own stories, but here's the thing is that a lot of people are accusing asking me why are these accusers no t putting their names to these accusations. a lot either still work on show or in the industry and they're afraid of the professional reprecussirep recushions. less than 24 hours after our report broke, netflix cut ties
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kevin spacey. a lot of these people who still work on the show, they want it to continue, but without kevin. so they're hoping his character maybe gets killed off because there's hundreds of people who work on the show in baltimore, maryland, who are worried about whether r not they'll be able to feed their families. the wire, veep and shows have been filmed there, but not a lot of shows come in their backyard there. so that's another big issue we're seeing because of the fallout. >> you say like the flood gates have opened. since you broke this story, you, people have been reaching out to you, not just you calling them. >> yes and i do want to stress the fact that you know, we had a team of attorneys helping make sure this story was ironclad and vetted. we corroborated these people's accusations and allegations with friends and family members and co-workers. i spoke to females, too, who said they would see keen spacey onset in front of people massaging people's shoulder, touching them inappropriately. making sexually lewd comments
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and after my story broke, netflix and mrc media rights capital, the production company behind netflix, house of cards, they said there was an incident in 2012 that dealt with a former production person and kevin space. they didn't go into what it was an then netflix says we didn't know b about this until today. so there's a lot of questions about breakdown of communication and power. i will tell you this. the production assistance claiming kevin spacey sexually assaulted him, complained to his supervisor that he was sexually harassing him in the months leading up to the assault and they still ended up putting him in a car with spacey off set to bring him back to set. there's a lot of questions as to why that happened and this accuser is looking into possibly coming forward and into whether or not criminal charges could be brought against spacey. i will continue to investigate. keep going.
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absolutely. >> and what are you u hearing about awards season? >> let me tell you, he's a two-time oscar winner and has a movie coming out in december where he plays a famous oil tycoon and the push for him for oscar season is over. and remember, netflix, they were going to do a movie with him called gore and drop ped it. they're not doing it anymore. i don't think we're going to see him on screen maybe ever again. >> so disappointing to hear this. thank you for sharing with us. coming up, a rogue employee takes down the president's twitter account on his last day. so how did it happen? plus, the serious security questions it raises. next. d what you said, doc... ...changed everything. you switched to the capital one quicksilver card. and how do you feel? [sighs] like a burden's been lifted. those other cards made you sign up for bonus cash back. then they change categories on you every few months. then you had to keep signing up! you...deserve...better. now get out there and keep earning that 1.5% cash back on every purchase everywhere.
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it's the president's favorite method of communication, his soap box, his mouth piece, his bully pulpit all rolled into one. but for 11 intriguing minutes, he didn't have control over it. instead his 41.8 million twitter followers were met with this message "sorry, that page no longer exists." a worker on their last day somehow took down his account. the president responded "my twitter account was taken gown for 11 minutes by a rogue employee. i guess the word must be getting out and having an impact. >> a lot of jokes followed that about the world without an an @realdonaldtrump in it.
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>> this is a huge, huge issue. i was told by sources inside that right after the election, they tightened the circle of people that had access to donald trump's twitter account. and there are supposed to be alarms i'm told that will go off if someone is trying to access that account. so somehow something went wrong. i'll tell you, speaking as someone who recently left the company, this person said i'm not surprised but there's a lot of internal debate going on at twitter. one employee told me they believed there was some chatter that they believed donald trump should be taken offline after his tweet about north korea, that he thought it incited violence. and another employee said, no, that's not the case, wasn't against our code of conduct or our policies and then you see a rogue employee who takes down
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the account. so these decisions made behind closed doors are impacting all of us. it's interesting to get this inside look into what can happen and the power of these tech companies, even an employee. >> just any old person who's inside and has access to all kinds of technology at their fingertips. the timing was so interesting, heading up to capitol hill, testifying in the russia investigation about how rush meddled in the u.s. election. we also got a look at some of the first ads, fake ads like this one telling hillary clinton supporters to skip the line and just text in their goat. you explore this issue of text companies as gatekeepers, mostly human. what more are you learning? >> you're seeing real challenges. >> i said this could not have happened on a week for us. they're trying to convince
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people they have control of their platform. you begin to look at these ads and it's really hard to decipher because some of them aren't correct facts. very much they're trying to divide the country. and you're beginning to see tech owners really grapple with the power. what do we do with had content, if it's been weaponized, if there's a gray area in between. i spoke to the founder of cloud flair. they power a good part of the internet. he made the decision recently to kick off a neonazi site. it seemed like a no-brainer and he talked to me about that power and what happened when he did that. take a listen. >> he said i woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn't have been allowed on the internet. >> i think we have the right to pick and cloos whoose who we do
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business when and not do business with jerks. but it is important to have a discussion about -- we could have done it differently and said they violated section g of -- >> and that's b.s., right? >> it's b.s. when we did it and it's b.s. when any other technology company does it. there are arbitrary and editorial decisions that get made and we should own those decisions. >> you don't usually get tech leaders that are that transparent about decisions. a lot of tech companies are grappling with the idea of transparency. he said it's a problem if there are ten ceos and if you bother one of them or offend one of them, you can be off the internet. in this particular scenario, it seems as though it didn't take a ceo to are offended for donald trump to get kicked off the internet. i think that's worth looking at. >> i have just a quick
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follow-up. maybe you don't know the answer but are they grappling with how to handle this because they truly feel responsibility? or are they grappling because they don't want to have congress come in and pose some kind of regulation? >> look, i think -- i'd like to go back to the idealistic silicon valley ethos if we want to change the world for the best. i think we're at a specific moment in time when we see tech can be used for good and evil and we need tech to step up and make sure that they're not weaponized and used for good and not for evil. >> we'll be right back. at planters we know how to throw a remarkable holiday party. just serve classy snacks and be a gracious host, no matter who shows up. do you like nuts?
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newsroom. i'm ana cabrera live in new york. president trump will take a marathon trip to asia, visiting five countries in ten days. and back at home, the russia investigation intensifies. according to multiple sources, next week congressional investigators will question one of the president's closest confidantes, his long-time bodyguard keith schuler. the president is so close to schuler, that he asked him to hand deliver the letter james comey. and cnn senior white house correspondim


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