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of golf. and it is my particular delight that this time i'm able to welcome my dear friend president trump and madame melania trump to japan. this first trip of president trump to asia is an historical visit to the region, which is ever more tense. and his first nation to visit on his tour is japan. this made this historic significance even greater. in this way, the two of us were able to show to the rest of the world the unshakeable japan-u.s. alliance. thank you, donald. for the last two days, i was able to have an in depth discussion with donald on a plethora of issues that the international community is faced with. in the discussion, overwhelming
importance was occupied by t north korean issue. we were in complete agreement as to the measures to be taken upon the analysis of the latest situation of north korea, giving a good amount of time. japan consistently supports the position of president trump when he says that all options are on the table. through the talks over two days, i have once again strongly reaffirmed that japan and the u.s. are 100% together. for more than 20 something years, the international community attempted dialogue with north korea. at the time of framework agreement of 1994 and at the six-party agreement of 2006, north korea committed in abandoning their nuclear program. but each time the promise was broken, which resulted in north korea buying time for their
nuclear and missile development while we were making efforts for dialogue. there is no point in the dialogue for the sake of dialogue with north korea. now is the time not for dialogue, but for applying maximum level of pressure on north korea. japan and the u.s. must take leadership in closely collaborating with the international community to enhance pressure on north korea through all possible means. i agree with president trump that we welcome china strengthening her pressure over north korea, and it is incumbent upon china to play even greater roles to let north korea
relinquish nuclear capabilities. we -- north kr before this press conference, president and mrs. trump were good enough to meet with the members of the families of abductees. i would like to render my heartfelt gratitude for their listening to intently to what the family members had to tell them. until the day when all the families oh -- embraced their loved ones in their own arms, until that day my mission is not complete. i am sure that the families -- i have renewed my resolve to work
in full force to seek the resolution of this issue. i have decided to take our own additional sanction measures in our efforts to seek the solution of the nuclear missile and the most important abduction issues of north korea. tomorrow, there will be a decision on freezing assets of 35 north korean entities and individuals. going forward, japan and the u.s. will continue to cooperate closely for the early rolution of the north korean issue. i also discussed bilateral economic issues with president trump. we welcomed that in the second meeting with the japan-u.s. economic dialogue held last month between deputy aso and vice president pence -- was confirmed. and we will go deeper into our dialogue. we agreed that we president tru
cumulative efforts in creating fair and effective economic order in this region. with the president, i discussed east asian summit meetings we will be going after. in the pacific region covering the vast areas is the growth center of the world with more than half of the world's population. it is critically important for the peace and prosperity of this region, and we concurred to strengthen our cooperation toward realizing and on indo pacific. under the unwavering japan-u.s. alliance, i shall play a leadership role for the peace and prosperity of this region, hand in hand with president trump. for the last few days, i have indeed very serious discussions
with president trump. i also had an opportunity to play golf with our top pro yesterday. indeed, the match was a neck and neck competition, in my opinion. what was the reality? i hope that mr. trump will give his evaluation. the dinner where mrs. trump joined was in such a truly relaxed atmosphere that we almost forgot how time flew. i am greatly very much satisfied. i hope that they enjoy the banquet later on by all means. thank you very much. thank you very much, president trump. the floor is yours. >> thank you. thank you very much. well, thank you very much. this has been a truly enjoyable trip and one where we're accomplishing a lot. and i agree with you that our
relationship is extraordinary, and i agree with you also that there has never been such a close relationship between the leaders of two countries, these two countries, japan and the united states. so it's been great to be with you. and we'll be spending a lot of time with you over the years. melania and i are deeply grateful for the warm welcome we've received in your remarkable country, and that's what it is. it is a remarkable country. this is a land of incredible history, culture, tradition, and spirit. first, let me congratulate you on your great success in the recent elections. you won very big and very easily, and i'm not at all surprised. we both share in common and really a deep loyalty to our citizen s and a deep faith in te destiny of our people and also
our people and our countries working together. i also want to take a moment to continue sending our thoughts, prayers, and deepest condolences to the victims of the horrific assault on a church in a beautiful area. so sad. sutherland springs, texas. such a beautiful, wonderful area with incredible people. who would think something like this could happen? so i want to send our condolences, the condolences of our first lady. in tragic times, americans all pull together. we are always strongest when we are unified. to the wounded and the families of the victims, all of america is praying for you, supporting you, and grieving alongside of you. prime minister, i want to thank you and the people of japan for
of strategic patience is over. some people said that my rhetoric is very strong. prime minister abe has also shared with me the tragic stories of japanes young people who north korea has abducted of the years. together, we met with the parents of magume yakota, who was abducted as a young girl in 1997. no child should ever be subjected to such cruelty. no parent should ever have to endure 40 years of heartbreak.
we also had a young, wonderful man in our country, otto warmbier. we all know the story of otto. it's a horrible story. a sad story. and we can't let that happen. we cannot let that happen. the united states of america stands in solidarity with the people of japan against the north korean menace. history has proven over and over that strong and free nations will always prevail over tie rants who oppress their people. our powerful and enduring u.s.-japan alliance includes more than 50,000 members of the united states military stationed right here in japan. in addition to that, we have 33,000 stationed in south korea. american and japanese military
personnel train together, work together and will stand together to defend the security and sovereignty of both of our countries. i want to thank the entire japanese people for acting as such strong partners for our men and women in the armed forces. america is also committed to improving our economic relationship with japan. as president of the united states, i'm committed to achieving a fair, free, and reciprocal trading relationship. we seek equal and reliable access for american exports to japan's markets in order to eliminate our chronic trade imbalances and deficits with japan. we're working on that. it's something we've all been working on very hard from the very beginning of our meetings. as we continue to pursue closer economic ties, i believe it will create new and exciting
opportunities to create greater prosperity in both of our nations and to advance new frontiers in science, medicine, and technology. the united states respects an honors japan's heritage, and admires your deep well of perseverance. i appreciate very much your acknowledging and stating the fact that the united states economy has done so well since our election on november 8. close to 2 million jobs. the highest stock market in our history. so many different things are happening for the better, including the cutting of massive ape mounts of regulation, which is one of the reasons that the market's reacting the way it's reacting. this mutual respect for cultural and sovereignty will continue to bring our nations closer and
closer together. and open up new avenues of cooperation and success. mr. prime minister, thank you again for inviting me today. and for opening the arms of your majestic country to our american sell gags, all delegation in th. i look forward to working side by side with you. in friendship, we will have success like rarely seen between two countries. japan and the united states of america, twovery, very special places. thank you for having us. thank you very much. >> translator: thank you very much, mr. president. now we will accept questions from the press. if you wish to speak, please raise your hand and be recognized by me or by ms.
sanders. and please come to the standing microphone, and please identify yourself by stating your name and affiliation and proceed to your question. first, the japanese press. i will ask for a question from the japanese press, which will be followed by the u.s. accompanying press. so we will accept questions. please identify to whom the question is addressed, either to the prime minister or to president trump. so first is the japanese press. any person to speak up? yes, please. >> translator: hello from nhk. this is a question from prime minister abe. president trump has agreed on maximizing the pressure towards the relinquishing of nuclear development by north korea. mr. trump is going to korea and china, and then there is going to be a meeting.
so mr. abe, what is your idea about the significance of this bilateral summit meeting? north korea is still fixing its attitude, not responding to the relinquishing of nuclear development, what is necessary in order to avoid any accidental military confrontation? >> translator: well, the japan-u.s. alliance being the foundation of the regional peace and prosperity. precisely when the japan and u.s. partner strongly, the peace of this region becomes unshakeable. from that perspective, i consider at this time we were able to reaffirm strong bonds and ties between japan and the united states. on this opportunity of the visit of president trump. this was quite significant for the regional peace. on the north korean situation, between president trump and myself, we confirm that we are
together 100%. we will enhance the pressure that the entire international community exercises over north korea to the maximum extent by both japan and the united states collaborating and working toward china and russia. no one likes conflicts. i don't like it, mr. trump neither. but north korea continues its provocation against the international community. so we need to cooperate, so that they change their policy. we must exercise pressure, and from the north korea, we will change our policy. so please come to talk to us. i think this is what is most important that we say and that we have a complete agreement with president trump. and together with many countries, i'm sure that we share in the same thinking.
also, the free and open maritime order based uponhe rule of law is the foundatio of the prosperity of the international community. this time around, as the first leg of his tour in asia, the president and i were able to reaffirm that both countries will look towards the indo pacific, which is free and open. there will be epic leaders meetings, and these meetings, i would like to take leadership in driving this kind of discussion. so free and open indo pacific strategy. if any country would agree with this strategy, so we'll continue to have -- so we can have peace
and stability in the country. >> steve holland from reuters. >> thank you, sir. in response to the texas shooting, what policies would you support to reduce these violent actions? is gun control the answer? and secondly, you spoke yesterday about the warmth of the north korean people. what is your message to their leader kim jong-un as you prepare to head to south korea tomorrow? and if i could ask the prime minister a question, as well. could you respond to what the president said this morning that trade is not free and reciprocal with the united states? thank you. >> as far as the north korean people are concerned, steve, i think that these are great people. they're under a very repressive regime, and i really think that ultimately, i can tell you this, that i hope it all works out. it would be better for everybody. certainly would be better for
north korea, but it would be better for everybody. so we hope that's going to take place. as far as your second question, which is really the first part of your question, i think that mental health is your problem here. this was a very -- based on preliminary reports, a very deranged individual, a lot of problems over a long period of time. we have a lot of mental healt oblems in our country, but this isn't a guns situation. i mean, we could go into it, but it's a little bit soon to go into it. fortunately somebody else had a gun shooting in the opposite direction. otherwise it would have been much worse. but this is a mental health problem at the highest level. it's a very, very sad event. these are great people and a very, very sad event. but that's the way i view it. thank you.
>> translator: trade and economic matters, bilateral issues, we did discuss. on the economic matter, how u.s. and japanese economies should be, there is dialogue going on between mr. aso and mr. pence. there were two meetings already. so on the question of the economy together with president trump, not only regarding bilateral trade, we would like to see the entire region of the indo pacific as something we want to pursue. so with both countries in this region, we will make efforts to create an economic order, which is fair and effective. so that regarding both economies mutually, we would like to see the mutual development of both
so in the united states, already since the start of the trump administration, partly thanks to the japanese investment, 17,000 jobs have been created in the united states. so all countries of the world vis-a-vie the united states, they make investment, but japanese investment ranks in terms of job creation. so the economic relations between the two countries may develop further. there by creating jobs, thereby growing the economy. so in creating both country's economies, aso and pence's economic dialogue framework would be quite relevant and we would like to see a good outcome. we'll go back to the japanese press for questions. yes, please. >> translator: i have a question to president trump. you met with the family members
of abductee abductees. how can you comment on your meeting with them? to north korea, is there a possibility of u.s. military action? suppose the u.s. decides to go on it, the abductee's rescue, how do you think about it once the military imminent? >> well, i think it's very sad. i look at what's happened and it's a very, very sad thing. who has ever heard anything like this? abducted by a hostile country for purposes of language, for purposes of -- could be any number of other reasons. we'll see what happens in terms of the ultimate conclusion. but i did put it in my speech at the united nations, and many people in japan were really thrilled that i did, because a lot of people thought that the folks were talking about were
forgotten about. like i say, the forgotten people where they were, may be the forgotten people. but i can tell you, your great prime minister didn't forget at all. so we'll work together and see if we can do something. now the spotlight is on, and perhaps we can have some very good luck. and perhaps the regime itself would send them back. i think it would be a tremendous signal if kim jong-un would send them back. if he would send them back, that would be the start of something very special, if they would do that. but i spoke with people who were devastated and they've been devastated for many years. they think they're alive, but they don't know. probably makes it even tougher that way. but we'll see what happens. thank you. >> thank you. the second question from the united states. mark from "the new york times."
>> thank you very much. my first question is to president trump. mr. president, you've spent the last two days reaffirming the u.s.-japan alliance, and you have begun sketching out this vision of a free and open indo pacific. but in two days you're going to travel to china, a country that's neither free nor open. so my question is, how can the u.s. be a force for freedom and openness in this region without inevitably coming into conflict with china? and then to the prime minister, mr. prime minister, the president has spoken on many occasions in the past about hoping to see the japanese take a strong role in their own defense. he would like to sell japan military equipment, and there have been press reports that the president was disappointed that the japanese didn't shoot the north korean missile out of the sky, the one that was shot over hoe kido. -- hokkaido.
did this message come up and what mess an did you have about what role you would like to see japan snake -- japan? >> he will shoot them out of the sky when he gets the equipment from the united states. just like we shot something out of the sky the other day in saudi arabia. that was a very rapidly moving missile. that was a needle in the sky and it was hit immediately and exploded without damage. so one of the things that's very important is that the prime minister of japan is going to be purchasing massive amounts of military equipment, as he should. and we make the best military equipment by as far. if he purchases it from the united states, whether it's the f-35 fighter, which is the
greatest in the world, total stealth, or whether it's missiles of many different kinds, it's a lot of jobs for us and a lot of safety for japan. and other countries that are likewise purchasing a lot of military equipment from us, that frankly a year ago and two years ago were not. as far as china is concerned, my relationship, as you know with president xi is also excellent. i like him a lot. i can him a friend. he considers me a friend. with that being said, he represents china, i represent the united states. his views are different on things, but they're pretty similar on trade. the problem we have with china is that for decades, they've been -- it's been a very -- let me be very kind to previous administrations. it's been a very unfair trade situation. our trade deficit is massive. it's hundreds of billions of dollars a year.
anywhere from $350 billion to $504 billion. that doesn't include intellectual property. and we've already started discussions with china, because it has to come down. has to come down. and that has to do with free trade, fair trade, or reciprocal trade. and frankly, i like reciprocal the best of the group. because when you explain to somebody that you're going to charge tariffs in order to equalize or do other things, some people that don't get it, they don't like to hear that. but when you say it's going to be reciprocal, that we're going to charge the same as they're charging us, the people that don't want a 5% or 10% tariff say oh, reciprocal is fair, and that could be 100%. so it's much more understandable when you talk about reciprocal. and reciprocal trade is very important to me. we have many countries, not just china or japan or so many oths
that we see. we have one country that chargeks us 100% tax if we sell things into that country. yet when they sell the same product into our country, we charge them nothing. now, i've been against that for a long time, and you will be seeing we do things about it. now, it also takes a period of time to do that, because as you know, you have statutory limitations and time. you have to put out notices. you have to wait 90 days before you can put out the next. and then you have to wait another 120 days, then 30 days. much of this has already been caught, and caught up. some of it was unnecessary statutorily. but you will be seeing things of countries that have been treating the united states and the united states worker, and companies, because i view the companies as an extension of the worker, but have been treating our companies, our country, and
our workers very unfairly. you will be seeing that the united states will take very, very strong action. it's already started. but most of the legal foundation has now been done. and you're going to see a very big difference and it will happen very soon. because the united states has been treated very, very unfairly when it comes to trade. thank you very much. >> translator: regarding japan, defense equipment, a lot of them we purchase from the united states. north korean situation is becoming very tough. the asia pacific security situation is becoming very tough. we qualitively and quantitatively have to enhance our defense capability. as the president mentioned, f-35 is a case in point.
we have other plans to purchase from the united states. egis vessels, the quality and the quantity must be enhanced. in that process, we will be buying more from the united states. that is what i'm thinking. now, north korea. north korea launched missiles. ne immediately after that, we traced where they were going. missile defense is something which is based upon the cooperation between japan and the united states. missile defense system is a cooperation between the two countries. for the intercepting and shooting down, if it is necessary, of course we will do that. if it is necessary. but in doing so, u.s. and japan will closely coordinate our actions. thank you. thank you very much.
with this, we will end the joint press conference by the two leaders of japan and the united states. thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen of the press. >> and the u.s. president donald trump there, and the japanese prime minister shinzo abe. after their joint news conference where there was a lot of mutual admiration. mr. abe saying that the bonds between the two countries have never been closer. he called donald trump his dear friend, and donald trump, for his matter, said the relationship is extraordinary. never been such a close relationship between these two countries. i want to bring in alexander field now in tokyo to talk about this. your thoughts on the headlines there, alex? your take awaaway from this?
trade has been a major issue between these two countries, but not a lot of firm answers really. not a lot of, this is what we're going to do. >> reporter: no. the talking points were largely what we would expect them to be, because you have seen both of these leaders alluding to this throughout the course of their trip, saying discussions on trade and security would be the top priorities here. you did have them coming out and really glowing and surpearltive terms, talking about the relationship that they have cultivated. not just the personal relationship, but a shared vision, a shared strategy, and suggesting over and over again from both sides that the relationship between these two allies has never in the history of the alliance been stronger. let's take the point of north korea first. because we knew when president trump began this trip to the region, this would be a top priority. this would be part of the trip closely watched and he would find his closest ally in terms of strategy right here in japan.
certainly prime minister shinzo abe said over and over again that japan was with the united states 100% when it comes to the goals in terms of de-nuclearization ofhe korean peninsula, and containg this threat that has ctinuedo ratchet up over recent months. you heard the prime minister going even further saying japan will take additional steps, which include new sanctions on 35 different entities and individuals related to north korea. certainly that's been the push of the trump administration, not just these u.n. security council resolutions, which have meat soe of the strongest sanctions against north korea and urging those who do business, to sanction them that do business with north korea. so you did hear the prime
minister saying over and over again that he stands closely with president trump. to that end, they talked about something else you heard president trump speak about before, which was the plan to sell more defense equipment to japan. that's been a top priority for prime minister shinzo abe, who was re-elected with a strong majority. it is his position that japan needs to increase its defensive capabilities, given the north korean threat. you heard him talking just moments ago about the purchase of additional equipment and also potentially the purchase of additional missile intercepters. this is something that's been an issue that is clearly raising concern for people here in japan. they've had two missiles flying over the northern part of japan in the last couple of months. that's a top priority for many japanese people. to your other point, michael, about trade. we did hear trump say over and over and over again that trade would be a top priority, as we
makes his way through this five-nation visit of asia. he has spoken harshly about trade deals with japan. has spoken about a deficit and unfairness to the united states. talked about establishing a more fair and reciprocal deal. that's the future according to president trump. it's not something that prime minister shinzo abe contradicted, although in the past we've heard him articulate his support for a multilateral deal like the tpp, which president trump did pull out of. but they are continuing to work together to have more discussions about what a bilateral trade relationship will look like in the future, michael. >> no detail, but plenty of ideas. as you say, very much a mutual admiration society. and donald trump saying that the japanese could be able to shoot those missiles out of the sky once they purchased massive amounts of military equipment from the united states. alex, thanks so much. stand by there.
president trump also talked about the shooting in texas. let's play that for a moment. >> we have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries. but this isn't a guns situation. i mean, we could go into it, but it's a little bit soon to go into it. but fortunately somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction. otherwise, it would have been much worse. but this is a mental health problem at the highest level. it's a very, very sad event. it's a -- these are great people and a very, very sad event. but that's the way i view it. >> and cnn's jim acosta was at that news conference and joins us on the phone from tokyo. jim, first of all, let's touch on that comment from texas. we heard a very similar comment after the massacre in las vegas where he said that the shooter had his wires crossed or
something. he says in this texas massacre, he said this isn't a guns situation, this is a deranged person, a mental health problem at the highest level. what did you make of that? >> reporter: well, michael, this is the president really going back to his position that always seems to be the position that he has after one of these mass shooting events, that is now is not the time to talk about gun control. he even made that comment when asked about this here at this news conference with prime minister shinzo abe. the other thing that i thought was notable in reference to the texas mass shooting is what the president said, who could think such a thing could happen? president said that, you could see sort of the response on social media asking the question and the comment well, of course you can see something like this happening again in the united states, these mass shootings tend to happen a lot.
they're happening with more frequency, as you've seen in the last month or so. you've had two of the deadliest shootings in history happen almost back-to-back, in las vegas and now with this shooting at the church in texas. so the president just trying not to deal with that issue of gun control, as you do hear from gun right supporters that this is more of a mental health issue. it suspe a gun safety issue. >> all right. we're losing the line there with jim acosta. but we got most of that in. jim, thanks so much. we're going to take a short break. we're going to discuss what came out of this news conference, what happens did not come out of this news conference when we come back. ♪
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just a few minutes ago. let's bring our experts back in. jean lee joining us from seoul, south korea in los angeles. thanks to you all. jean, let's start with you. your thoughts on -- the thing that struck me, you don't always get a lot of detail out of these news conferences, and i don't think we got much out of that one, certainly when it came to trade. we basically got the sense that they like each other very much and we'll figure it out. what did you think? >> the bromance has certainly deepened. it's going to be very hard for the south korean president to match that. there are a couple of things. i am reassured that he didn't use the phrase "little rocket man" and there were no threats to destroy north korea. and also that he recognized that the people of north korea are the ones whose lives are the ones at stake in this.
so that should be reassuring to the people of south korea, too, who have been concerned that the president's strategy does not take into account what's best for the south korean people. >> mark, let's ask you the military man, he was asked -- the president was specifically asked a question by a japanes w military action to happen. he actually did not answer that. i don't know if that's reassuring or not. he did point out that the japanese prime minister would be able to shoot down north korean ballistic missiles after they had bought a massive amount of u.s. military equipment. your read on that side of things, the north korean situation? >> first of all, i want to go and decipher for just a second the mutual statements of both of those leaders, both able and trump. once you get past the diplomatic eloquence and the mutual commendations, if you're looking at it from an international
strategic perspective, the only thing that was in common that adds value to this conversation is a statement on both their parts that we have moved beyond what has been called since the 1990st wall street the clinton administration in '92, first really confronted with the issue of the potential nuclearization of north korea, this concept of strategic patience. both said in their own words, no longer, delay is not something we're going tolerate. we're going to take action. now, what that meant, abe moved a bit to a definition that went this way. pressure on north korea to the maximum extent, using all types of power, whether it's economic, military, or the other areas of power. that said, both were appropriately cautious about coming forward and defining the next step
use of military power which i think almost everybody says is not the appropriate first step. >> no, exactly. donald trump saying some people say my rhetoric is very strong. but look what happened with weak rhetoric over the last 25 years. look where we are now. and the japanese prime minister saying there is no point in dialogue. time to apply maximum pressure on north korea. michael genovese, when it comes to the political aspect of this, where do we end up after this news conference? nothing very hard came out of it other than the bromance. and that really was extraordinary. what they said about each other and their bonds and how they get along. what was your takeaway? >> don't underestimate the power of personal relations. donald trump's relationship with
leaders quite often, they don't know him, he doesn't know them. so he has to build them. and build many of them from scratch. but you'll recall when george h.w. bush was in power, he used to be jokingly referred to as the rolodex president. because he had a rolodex and knew everyone that was hugely important in the first gulf war. kit be hugely important for donald trump. personal relationships my mandalay bay buy a little bit of time. they may buy the things you value in a crisis. >> did you think that we learned anything about the trade issue, michael? did woe we go anywhere with that? they're on different pages when it comes to trade. mr. abe, a big fan of tpp. donald trump pulls the u.s. out of tpp. talks about very unfair trade imbalances. are they going to figure this out? >> friends often agree to disagree, sometimes publicly. but in this case privately. they do not get along on this
issue. they're not going to. and so i think some things you just brush under the carpet and say well, we'll deal with those in another way, another time. this is a time for a love-in. this is a time for a celebration of our mutual relationship. >> jean lee, michael genovese, mark maccarley, thank you for sticking around. >> thank you. just moments ago the u.s. president donald trump and we were discussing this as well with jim acosta had something to say about the texas shooter. let's listen. >> we have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries. but this isn't a guns situation. i mean, we could go into it. but it's a little bit soon to go into it. fortunately somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction. otherwise it would have been as bad as it was, it would have been much worse. about this is a mental health problem at the highest level. it's a very, very sad event.
these are great people and a very, very sad event. but that's the way i view it. >> all right. let's bring in juliette kayyem, cnn national security analyst, former assistant secretary for the u.s. department of homeland security. juliette, as i was chatting with jim acosta a little earlier, it sort of smacks of what we heard after 58 people were killed and people shot in las vegas, that it's too soon to talk about guns and that mental is the reason. >> right. so mental health doesn't kill people. guns do. and i think the president is right in the sense that other countries do have mental health issues. but why we see so much violence of these mental health issues is because of the weaponry, because of guns. that's why we see so many people killed in such short periods of time like in las vegas or today in texas. so two comments to what
president trump said. first of all very similar to las vegas regarding we're not going to talk about guns. that's not the policy issue. and immediately putting it on the suspect's new dead mental state. that that is really the cause of it. instead of looking at the issues around guns and gun regulations. in some ways it's a very defeatist attitude because it assumes there are crazy people. that will get guns and therefore innocent civilians will die there is essentially nothing you can do to stop that process. so that's where the debate is going toe are side. >> without putting too fine a point on it, we've only got a couple of minutes left. i want to ask you after the terror attack in new york, policy pronouncements came out pretty quickly. whether it was on extreme vetting, whether it was on ending the visa lottery program. but both after las vegas and after this. it's not the time to talk policy. >> that's right. and that's an irony if you want to call it or that hypocrisy is
often the case where if it's an american without ties to any international ties who uses a weapon, that they easily can assess in this country and goes after innocent civilians, that's mental health, where if it's someone who may have tangential ties to isis use as car. and therefore we can deal with that. in the end, it's about america's vulnerability. it's a homeland security issue. how are our citizens vulnerable? i'm not saying don't deal with the terrorist threat. but if you are going to have policy changes for terrorist threat, you also have to have it for the kinds of threats that are killing more americans than any isis attack ever has in the united states. %-p you think what is making americans vulnerable? what is killing americans? it's not isis. it is actually the combination of mental health issues with easy access to guns. and until we start to see this as a safety and security issue
rather than a mental health issue, we'll never get to the core of this, which is accessibility of weapons that kill a lot of people in a very short period of time. look, a mental health person, a person with mental health issues with a knife is a scenario i would much rather take as a security expert than one with a gun. >> right. juliette, got to leave it there. appreciate your st. peter tease, as always. juliette kayyem, thank you so much. and thanks everyone for watching our special coverage. i'm michael holmes. do stay with cnn. we'll have more on donald trump's trip to japan and that news conference. also, the texas shooting after a quick break. everyone's got to listen to mom.
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this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, everybody. thank you for joining us. we want to welcome our viewer here is in the u.s. and around the world. i'm cyril vanier. >> and i'm rosemary church. we are following several breaking news stories this hour. donald trump son his first trip to asia as u.s. president. he just held a news conference last hour with japan's prime minister where mr. trump talked about north korea. more on that in just a moment. but first, we want to tell you about the horror and disbelief that hasripped texas in the u.s.test mass shooting the diest that texas has ever known. at least 26