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aimed at the south korean government and south korean assembly. people in south korea praised for what they've been accomplished in a short amount of time. but you're definitely right. there was also a small portion of the speech that he said, the president, he was ready to offer a path to a much better future for north korea where they could embrace a future of light as opposed to the darkness they live in now. but it was a very muscular speech, very forceful against what north korea is. he talked about otto warmbier, the american student who was tortured and eventually died as a result of his capture in north
korea. he did not mention that, so i suppose since they were expecting the worse, that also counts as some sort of -- what's the word i'm looking for -- olive branch that he didn't put them back on the list. >> who knows now if that'll be in the rearview mirror because there was so much rhetoric from the president. and it wasn't filling in the rocket man and how horrible this idea of a nuclear north korea is but really going through the human rights atrocities that go on every single day and have for years, for decades under kim jong-un and of course his father and grandfather. and, look, he was speaking to the south korean national assembly. they don't need to be educated on what's going on 30-something miles north of seoul.
what they do understand is the tough rhetoric and the message and the audience that the president had obviously was well beyond the people in the room. i thought that human rights issues, talking about how people are starved and tortured, they don't know the most basic information about their so-called dear leader is also aimed at china and other countries around who the united states and its allies are trying to really kind of reign in and pull into the mix. unclear if that's really going to happen. >> general hayden, former director of the cia and nsa, i want to ask you about president trump seemed to be saying this brighter path was available. but he seemed to set two preconditions. one, an end to the threats. that would be easy enough to stop for a week or two. but then two to dismantle the nuclear program. that seems like a nonstarter. >> i think it is.
and i think the broader judgment is we might be able to tap, slow, put this under greater control and transparency and so on. but the prospect of the koreans actually denuclearizing is probably near zero. i mean they are not irrational in this regard. they've seen what happens to states who have given up their nuclear program -- >> iraq and libya. >> right. and the president was quite articulate and masters also expressed this, the great fear is you just cannot park this, and it's just for survival, that they will use this for intimidation. and the president did talk about the darkening cloud of the north trying to spread to the south. this is going to end up on a table somewhere. the only aungz option on the table is armed conflict.
i don't think we can make a precondition for the talks what it is negotiation are designed to end up at. a different status for the north korean program. >> do you think that's just for a better term, rhetoric? >> look, i think it's very useful for the president to act and sound tough on this. a couple of years ago i made the observation that within our current acceptable level of risk we know where this is going, and it was a dark place. so we have actually opted to up the tempo here, to decrease the stability, to increase the risk. i get that, but it's got to be done very, very carefully. now, i was struck, though, when the president actually talked about a way forward, actions on our side of the wall. it was diplomatic. it was political. it was economic. it was isolation. so i do think there's a call there to continue to amp up the pressure on the north korean regime. not the rocket man, not the fire and fury, not this is my first
option. >> for the past six months or so the line from this administration has been the era of diplomacy -- excuse me -- the era of strategic patience is over. but until now it has been kind of a line in search of a policy. do you think the president found the policy in his speech tonight? >> it wasn't clear. i don't know if not this therefore what. all right, that say a left a little unstated, and that's fine. he doesn't have to give his bottom line in a speech. but there is some ambiguity, and frankly compared to what some of the other things the president has said, i'll take to ambiguity right now. >> jen ral hayden, always good to hear from you. wolf? >> reporter: the president did say the u.s. would not tolerate a nuclear north korea, and he added the longer we wait, the
greater the danger grows. i want to go to pyongyang right now where will ripply is there. the only western reporter representing a u.s. tv network. will, you were listening to the speech, watching the speech. i wonder if there's been any immediate reaction from north korean officials. >> reporter: we were going over the speech as it was happening with north korean officials, and they reiterated what they told me just about an hour before president trump spoke which is that they were down-playing the significance of his words in seoul about 120 miles from where i'm standing right now. of course the two countries as the president mentioned cannot be farther apart. and the north korea said, this is quote here, they don't care what that mad dog may utter. mad dog referring to the president. the koreans are certainly doubling down on their fiery rhetoric saying this situation right now is the most tense that
it has been since the korean war. that is the official word from north korean government officials. and they're accusing the president and the united states of trying to ignite another war on the peninsula. what we need to see now is if north korea will respond to any other way to the president's words. >> let's see what the actions on the part of the koreans are. will, i want you to standby. anderson, there's a lot, a lot to assess right now. >> yeah, there certainly is. >> i think this was a very strong speech without name-calling. and it was very clear what he was saying. he said provocative action by north korea would be a fatal s miscalculation. he said this is different administration, david axelrod, than he's been dealing with in the past. and he said do not underestimate
and do not try us, he meant me as opposed to barack obama obviously. one thing that interested me is he called for the complete and verifiable denukeerization, which clapper said would be impossible. and ehe called for china and russia to sever all ties of trade and technology. so what does that mean? i'm not quite sure what that means and what he was asking for at that particular point. so lots of threats and very clear threats. not quite sure how we would get the denuclearization or china severing or russia severing all ties. but he put it out there. >> but certainly in terms of the kinds of speech this president has given, it was certainly more traditional in the foreign policy -- >> it was. and the ambiguity was part of that because he went as far as he should have gone. he offered some possibility of
diplomatic resolution to this, regardless of the terms he laid down would be ones they would accept. he left vague but menacing what the other options were. i guess the other thing on his speech was the plug for his golf course -- but he was fairly serious and fairly disciplined. >> and he's been fairly serious and blustery in terms of his rhetoric around this before, the fire and fury. he called him a little rocket man before the u.n. the question is what's the deliverable? like what is he actually going to do? is he going to actually be able to move the ball forward in a way that previous administrations haven't been able to do? so far it has been rhetoric. this is really a discipline speech. i'm sure he might be less disciplined on twitter and more fiery.
we do know north korea is getting closer and closer to a nuclear weapon that can be delivered to american shores. and so far donald trump is pretty much making the same speech over and over. >> there's also been some sequencing. if you speak to folks inside the administration some will argue to you, not that it was the most thought out strategy, but some will argue the fire and fury, the rocket man, the saber rattling allowed the president to then get to this place of a more steady hand, stern message delivering than just random tweets. that he did the saber rattling to capture the attention on the back end, and the message we'll see -- >> it should be noted that the people who have most at stake were in that audience in south korea. so there's a reason the presidents of both parties have found this such a vexing issue. because if you start a military engagement, the results are
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very big night. very big night for democrats in key states right now. let's take a closer look in virginia. the democrat ralph northam who wins the gubatorial contest, defeats bill dulespy. in new jersey, he's the winner. phil murphy will succeed crist christy as the next governor of new jersey. in new york bill de blasio sweeps and wins very easily in new york. look at this, the democrats won everything in virginia. lieutenant governor justin firfax defeats vogel. and mark herring is the winner over john adams. the democrats carry all three of those important races. there is some silver lining for those republicans right now. we have the projection. let's take a look. cnn predicts john curtis will be
elected to the u.s. house of representatives in the utah special election third district beating dr. allen. the race was called because jason chaffetz resigned from the u.s. house of representatives. so a win in utah as expected. let's go over to john king. you've been studying virginia. earlier it looked close, but he went onto win and he won impressively. >> and one of the reasons democrats are celebrating is because of the margin. democrats were expected to win this state, they should win this state. but to win it by a margin like this they're also picking up seats in the house of delegates with a chance to take control, the democrats are very encouraged in the state of virginia. and democrats around the country are very encouraged because of what they see in the state of virginia. and i can say during the reporting, a lot of jitters in
the republican party as they look at what happened here. you see ties vote total. ed gillaspie is a little bit short of what bob mcdonald got, a last republican to win statewide. this was not an underperformance by ed gillaspie. but the growth here in virginia is in the suburbs. this is repudiation not only of ed gillaspie but of donald trump in the suburbs of northern virginia. look at this 60% here, 67% here. this is traditionally more of a swing suburb,f 1% for ralph northam. so this is very impressive math in the sense that the republican needed what he needed to do here. ralph northam this is a -- we expected him to win in norfolk
but the margin is huge. if you move over here, though, the virginia beach area, this is more of a swing area. so you add in this is where he's from, a little bit of local here from the democratic party getting over the wounds of the primary, turning out liberal voters in the northern part of the state. you have very happy liberals tonight. it's a state they needed to win, they thought it was going to be close. the fact it's not close has a lot of energy in the democratic conversation tonight. >> cristase, now there's going to be a democratic governor of new jersey. he wins in new jersey tonight. >> no surprise if you think of the demographics of new jersey. crist christy is very unpopular at he goes out. just remember the conversation we were having in this studio on this night four years ago because of this. crist christie won with 60% of
the vote. he won the latino vote everywhere except newark and jersey city. the conversation four years go is chris christie the future of the republican party? is he the front-runner of the 2016 presidential nomination? well, we know how that went. crist christie going out of office, incredibly unpopular. >> i'm sure the president in new jersey, a democratic state, president trump not necessarily helping the republican candidate either. >> yeah, and if you remember if you go back to 2016 in both states the democrats are winning tonight. if the republicans can make the argument these are blue states and democrats won, so what? there's no question if you're looking at 2018 and you're looking at where the key house races are, you're looking at where the key parties are coming
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governor's race in new jersey as well as the commonwealth of virginia. you've been looking at some of the other races we've been monitoring. >> our decision as you know is the democrats need 17, to flip 17 seats in order to gain control. we've projected they've flipped 13 seats so far. and there are still 16 seats in the hunt for democrats. so the idea democrats may be able to flip control is a real possibility as john mentioned, this will likely come down to absentee, provisional ballots, a lot of those situation for the remaining 150 votes. two of those wins democrats are most excited about, that i'm getting a lot of feedback on is the first transgender publicly openly transgender state lawmaker in the country, ousted a social conservative.
dan curome is the democrat's now who now has that seat in the state legislator. and you remember reporter was shot and killed on television and her boyfriend at the time, crist hurst, was an anchor at the station she's working for. crist hurst is now going to be in the house of delegates, and that a victory as well for delegates. >> we were looking at these results from new jersey and virginia, and nobody predicted -- everybody thought phil murphy would have a blow out victory in new jersey. froebd predicted this margin for ralph northam. and very few people -- nobody predicted that the house of delegates would actually -- >> actually, northam is speaking now, so let's list in.
>> we need to close the wounds that divide and bring unity to virginia. whether you voted for me or not, we are all virginians. and i hope -- i hope to earn your confidence and support as we move forward. the virginia way is to work together to get results. i have taken care of a lot of sick children over the years and their families. and nobody has ever asked me whether i'm a republican or democrat nor have i asked them. when someone's life is at stake they don't care whether you're a democrat or a republican. they just want someone to help. that's the way that our administration will govern our commonwealth. we will put the people of
virginia before politics, before party and before ideology. and i want to thank so much to virginia for putting your trust in me. we put a lot of miles on -- my man seth and me, we drove all over this commonwealth. we listened to a lot of 80s music. and sometimes we bumped it up to the 90s. you know as we traveled across virginia, i have seen an out pouring of support. i saw an out pouring of people looking to get involved. to those of you who knocked on doors, who made phone calls and talked to their neighbors about the principles and values that are so important to us as
virginians, i say thank you so much. and for those of you who supported our campaign financially, the people who scraped $5, $10, $20, your contributions sent a message that will be heard around the country and the globe. i am so proud of my team led by brad comar and gabriel greenfield. i have never been around a team that was more professional, that was more talented, more hardworking. and so to our team, the ones that got us to where we are today, please join me in giving them a big round of applause. >> that's the next governor of the commonwealth of virginia, ralph northam who won handily in
the commonwealth. and we were talking about the message for republicans but the message for democrats tonight. does this have a message for the democratic party? >> i think so because tom purelo, huge winner for the left wing of this party. he got beaten and he got beaten by a moderates who's a guy in our party by any stretch of the imagination. and yet people came out anyway. both wings came together and elected somebody to say they signal donald trump has stirred up something in this country that's going oo be heard from eleck torally. you have had now for a year liberal, democrats, progressives in need of therapy, waking up every morning, looking at their cellphones and freaking out oz they're freaking out for a strategy.
now we have a stratsagy. fight hard at primary and then bury the hatchet and start winning elections. >> there's an interesting issue, the other issue in addition to health care that was big of with northam voters was guns. which is fascinating because virginia is a tricky place on gun issues for democrats typically. and in addition to that the new member of the house of delegates, chris hurst who won in virginia, we won kind of a gun rights candidate against someone with a an "a" rating from the nra. this is race to look at and see what we can learn from it. >> there's this real fight going on in the democratic party. >> your point is well-taken. fight hard at the primary and move on, i don't think your party is listening. because they're still fighting it out, and i think that's wrong with your party now.
you haven't moved on. they're still fighting it out. >> but tonight looked pretty good. >> i think donald trump motivated people. look, that's the way it was with obama for eight years. republicans didn't agree except on one thing. we wanted to fight against barack obama. >> and that was the tea party. >> that was the tea party. and there were divisions. we got through all those divisions and our people won because they were energized. >> democrats were energized tonight, republicans were not as energized, and if that doesn't change -- >> ralph northam said i'm here to help people and heal people, and nobody asked me if i'm a democrat or republican. that's interesting because it's a way we should maybe think about running in other parts of the country and traditionally not something we would have
thought of. >> the obama suburban house republican right now, i'm a little nervous. because you look at the margins that murphy won with in new jersey, 54% of college educated white voters. northam 51%, winning open seats and beating suburban republican incumbents down ballot. if i'm a suburban republican, i'm thinking you know what, donald trump is doing no good. >> i agree with van's earlier point about democrats did what they had to do, organization, turn out, door knocks. and rick makes the point about a motivated base does much better than a base that's not motivated. i think if the congress doesn't pass legislation that's going to bite donald trump. they're going to have to go home and answer their constituents. >> you don't think anything that
happened in virginia is -- >> but organization feeds off of energy and the energy that is felt out there is being sparked in part by donald trump. >> exactly. >> but there's plenty of people working precincts for these house of delegate candidates because they wanted to express themselves. and it is important to note again that a lot of the battlegrounds in particular for control of the house next year is going to be in the suburban districts. i think you're going to see more members retire on the republican side. >> again, if you pass the tax bill it has all this regulatory reform, get a health bill next year -- >> barack obama passed more legislation in his first two years than any president since linden johnson. and we got our butts kicked -- >> and on the tax reform bill,
ed gillaspie was a tax lobbyist. so it's interesting to me what you're saying what you want to run on is a tax bill. >> i'm saying length slative successes that put americans in better positions than they were -- >> i'm going to say this one more time. you've got something in your party that offends a lot of people. -- >> i would argue that you have something in your party that offends -- >> but we won. i want to say this. it sounds to me a bit of happy talk to say all you guys to do is pass legislation and it's going to be fine. the reason people came out in droves including those suburbs is they just don't like the divisive rhetoric from donald trump and there seems to be something going on there. please don't address it if you -- >> but elections are snapshots in time. that's today. the election is a long, long
way. america has a very short memory. and what i'm talking about when i talk about the economy and legislative assess -- >> i remember saying that in 2000. >> i'm going to agree with you, dan -- i'm going to agree with dan on this point. the rhetoric of this president, the twitter bombs, it is hurting him. it is hurting the republican party. and republicans are telling me that, democrats, everybody's telling me that. and tonight the president needs to look at particularly suburban districts with this type of rhetoric, this type of schoolboy caught of in your face, doesn't go over well among college educated suburban voters. it's not his agenda they don't like. they're going to be for the tax bill that passes, for the health reform that passes.
but they're not going to support a president who continues to demean people in public. and that just -- that is just -- >> what do you say to the steve bannons of the world who encourage him to be that way, who encourage him to mime these cultural divides and torque up his rhetoric? >> i would say that i don't know if steve bannon is encouraging him to be as offensive as he can be in being the kind of bully he can be in these tweets. i think he is out there pushing very hard to defend turf, whether it's immigration or trade or his views on national security. he's pushing on those issues. i don't think he's pushing the rhetoric per se. i think he's pushing the push back to the media clearly. and i don't think that's hurting. i think it's the personal attacks and that edge that is just beneath the office of the
president, and people are turned off by it. >> now, they're not going to vote against him -- if you're bob corker you're not going to vote against him if you had a fight with donald trump, i understand that. but it hurts him with republicans. >> i agree. >> so they're not going to do one for the gipper. they're going to do one for their own self-interest. we're going to go deeper on the issues we saw in play tonight. we'll be right back. my cholesterol is borderline.
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we've got incredible candidates down ballot. in virginia the democratic party has never won more than seven seats at once in a house of delegates race. we needed 17 to take over the house. we have something like 11 now with about 8 hanging in the balance. this is all about great candidates who had a great message. and the message was we want leaders who unite. we want to make sure that people have access to health care, affordable education, a future for their children. and we're sick and tired of an america where our leaders are dividing us. the message was sent loudly and clearly here in new jersey and virginia and frankly a lot of mayors races across the country. we organized heavily across this state, built great partnerships, and we learned a lot from this lesson. and i'm happy for people who want to see an america in which we're all united. >> obviously the governor elect mr. northam, ralph northam is
not on the far left of your party. he's more of a center-left candidate. in the week or so before the election he came out against sanctuary cities. and one of the progressive groups, deckocracy for america founded by howard dean, left the race. they said they were disenchanted with what he had done. is tonight's victory a message to the progressives, the grass roots in your party that they cannot have purity tests and they need to in some cases embrace more moderate candidates? >> listen, ralph northam is spectacular candidate. he has fought for immigrant rights, workers rights, fairness everywhere. i'm a big fan of his. i worked hard to get him elected. i worked hard in the latino community. and know he's going to serve the
community well. ted kennedy once taught me if you have someone working with you that agree with 90% of the time, that's the definition of a friend. and that's what ware about in thedommic party. it started in the primary, continued in the general election. and tonight is another lesson that our unity is our greatest strength. and it's frankly donald trump and the culture of corruption in congress that he's working with on the republican side. it's their worse nightmare. >> well, how much do you think the election results this evening are a referendum on president trump versus all politics being local? >> well, the think about it, jake, is if you look all over the country, democrats have been winning seats. we thought in the mayors race in charlotte the republican help spent our candidate something like 10 to 1 and she was able to
win. here in virginia everyone thought it was going to be a nail-biter. it turned out to be an 8 point race. this is referendum on american values. this is referendum on whether we're a nation that values health care for all. when you have people like donald trump and ed gillaspie and chris christie and others who are constantly dividing us, the american people are fed up with it. they want an america that we can be proud of. that's what brock built, that's what ralph northam and phil murphy are building, and that's what we're building across america. that's what we're organizing. we're going to every zip code across north america. and frankly, we didn't do that for too long. we're leading with those values. and clearly those values we saw tonight command the respect of the majority of our voters.
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our country depends on it. welcome back to our continuing coverage of the governor's race in the commonwealth of virginia. there was a disturbance during governor elect victory speech. he was actually taken off the stage by security for a moment as i believe it was a protest or was removed from the crowd. he was then brought back on the stage and continued the speech. so you were talking about -- >> unity. >> unity. apparently -- >> to your point, apparently the reason the protest happened is because in the middle of this race our candidate did flip-flop on the question of sanctuary cities. so, listen, nobody is saying that because we did well tonight everything is good, everything
has been healedment there still needs to be more airing of the differences. i for one am proud that donna brazile was able to come forward and speak her truth. tell the truth about what has worked and not worked and move forward. but tonight we saw a fortunately la where you can have a real serious division in our party and yet on election day you put it to one side. everybody goes and votes and it makes a big difference. and people are going to be happy in the morning. >> and in many ways what we saw was back to basics because the ground game was very strong. we obviously turned out more people than we have in va in the past, which is great news. we had a candidate who was more down the middle, but we always think there needs to be a brand-new strategy. of course, after trump won it was like democrats need to rip everything up and do totally different. we can't conclude what we need to do at this point, but we did have a strong ground game. we ran a strong campaign in
virginia and some of the traditional tactics we've used worked. >> what's going to be interesting in the congressional races in 2018 is there has been an absolue explosion of candidates all over the country. and they're going to be one after another multicandidate races. it's not clear who is going to prevail in those races. and some will be candidates of the left. some will be more candidates of the center. and so this notion, van, was party coming together will be challenged again in 2018. put this was certainly a good dash. >> do you see what's going on in the democratic party right now in terms of the battles between the left and the center -- or david, i mean? >> well, look, i think, jen, there is an establishment versus sort of an insurgent dynamic within the democratic party just as there is within the republican party. i happen to think it's less wrenching than the one the republican party is going through. because in the main i think people share goals, but i do think that the danger for both
parties are absoluteists who insist on a 100% fidelity on every issue, as jen was saying. and that can rip a party apart. and so this was heartening in the sense that there was this sense of maybe democratic enthusiasm would be a little bit muted by the fact that there had been this primary, and that didn't turn out to be the case. the now, i will say that tom per ellow campaigned very, very hard. >> did an amazing job. >> for raffle northam. >> he set that example. and part of the thing too, it wasn't just that the primary was tough. it was then as the race went on, you know, our candidate did some stuff that offended some people. like not even the african-american lieutenant governor in the marl. some people said are african americans going to be offended and sit down. i think people are going to have to learn, unfortunately, that sometimes you've got to take a little bit of frustration inside
the coalition, stick together and win and then try to fix this stuff later. >> it's also true that we're a big diverse country. and what may be popular in your neck of the woods may not be popular in someone else's. and candidates who are going to succeed are the ones who reflect their communities. >> tests are going to be gone from your party, right? can you imagine your 2020 nominee being able to have that nominee without being in favor of single payor and in favor of impeachment? >> yeah, i could see that. i could see that. i don't know that a democratic candidate is going to run for president on the impeachment platform in 2020. >> but in 2018 what the democrats have is a mutual enemy and that's trump and trumpism. >> but is there a danger in that for -- isn't that what -- >> the danger is that you rely solely on that crutch and you
run -- >> but in 2018 you run solely against trump and when people say oh, we don't really love the republicans, we don't really love trump, but we're not really sure about what these guys stand for, you want to have something that you're standing for. >> but that is very hard to do without a candidate. >> exactly. >> candidates define parties. >> yes. >> so the question is who emerges as the domestic knee of the democratic party because that candidate will have a lot to say about what the party's program is going into the election. >> out of this -- >> i was just going to say let's not forget that midterms historically terrible for the party in power, right. so we all know that there are going to be big losses. >> are you making excuses already? >> i'm stating the facts. they're not excuses. anybody who looks at anything in politics knows only two times in the history of this republic has the party in power gained seats. so there are going to be losses. it's up to you guys at how many, right. it's up to whether or not you have good candidates to make
11:00 p.m. on the nose here on the east coast. we have some breaking news to you tonight. an anti-trump wave sweeps democrats to victory in virginia. raffle northam claiming a huge win in the governor's race. at least 13 seats in the statehouse flipped from red to blue. many other local races going to democrats tonight as well. the big question, will that wave hit president trump and the gop in 2018? my political dream team is here. but i want to mr. john king. john, good evening to you. you're at the magic wall for