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would say if we don't have someone else, she'll appoint 15 supreme court justices. so the fear of hillary was big in that. you look back and trump is constantly relitigating the 2016 election. >> does it work without hillary? >> i'm sure he's going to find another boog gi man or in her sense a boog gi woman. it's also translated, of course, to politics. it was interesting to see it work with someone who was clearly a bully and trying to be the boogeyman himself. i think we remember the moment he was standing right behind her in the presidential debate. it can work, the problem is the policy as i said in the last segment. >> mike does it work without hillary clinton? does he have to find another foil? >> yeah there's one person
that's despised in politics even more than sb that's nancy pel i pelosi. so republicans are trusted more on taxes, the economy, we're going run against nancy pe low sis, it's probably one of the problems that ed gi gillespie had. he didn't have nancy pelosi. >> i think it was on the dan king show, that nancy pelosi nancy pelosi may have a possibility of becoming speaker again. thank you, appreciate it. see you next time. it is 11:00 on the east coast and breaking news on the russia investigation. sources telling cnn that his first national security advisor michael flynn is worried about the legal face of his son, michael flynn jr. president trump is in beijing
meeting with his counter part. the two will hold a press conference short and we'll hold it live for you. good evening thank you all, good to see you. like the bow tie john, always. jim i need to start with you. tell me what you're learning. >> i'm told by multiple sources family with the matter that general flynn has expressed concern about the potential legal exposure of his son, who like his father, is urnt scrutiny by special counsel robert mueller. it could affect decisions on how to respond to his investigation. it goes to the business dealings of key trump advisors as well. i'm told his wife shares the concerns about their son's legal
exposure. >> what are the legal questions the special counsel is focussing on regarding flynn? >> i've spoken to two witnesses who have been interviewed by the special counsel investigator or thes and they told me the questions focus on his and his son's business dealings including their firm's reporting of income from their work lobbying overseas. just a reminder the foreign agent act, requires those to disclose their relationships with companies or countries as well as what they're getting paid for that work. flynn jr. not a minor player. he served as his father's chief of staff, and top aide, at the flynn intel group and that included joining his father on some of the overseas trip, including russia in 2015 when flynn dined with vladimir putin.
i should say as well flynn senior also under scrutiny by mueller's team for undisclosed lobbying during the campaign on behalf of turkey and discussion about removing a turkish cleric who's been living in exile in pennsylvania and that's something the president of turkey wants to happen. a spokesperson for flynn denied those discussions took place. >> what's next for the investigati investigation? >> there's no sign the investigation is slowing down or ending. flynn's dealings have been under investigation for some time, it goes back to november last year, prior to mueller's appointment in may of this year. it's not clear that either of the flynns will face charges once that investigation is complete. i will note that flynn's attorney did not respond to request for comment on this story. flynn jr.'s lawyer did decline to comment. >> thank you, jim. i want to bring in now john and
david. so john, as jim just said, michael flynn has been under federal investigation since november of 2016 for lying to among others, the vice president of the united states about his russia contacts. how might the two investigations overlap? >> i think they overlap, if you look at manafort and you look at the parallels between the charges that manafort has and what themes we see here for flynn and flynn jr., that's a problem. but if you remember in the early days of this, the delay in firing flynn when they knew he had misled the vice president about the sanctions that were underdiscussion with the russian ambassador and how the president resisted the investigation talking to comey and it makes you think that flynn is of concern to the president. because he went out on a limb with comey.
he fired comey. and it looked for a long time like flynn was his greatest concern. and so, i think that mueller would like to have flynn cooperate and put pressure on him. but flynn is between a rock and a hard place. and at some point he'll probably be dietindicted and his son wil indicted if they don't agree to anything, to the point they have to deal with the reality of being charged and if they don't cooperate they'll keep going on because they have the witnesses and there's talk of secret indictments, we'll see if that's true. so the walls are closing in on the flynns, and not just them, other people involved. i always thought there would be a second wave and mueller zbifing them a chance to make up their minds. >> this investigation continues to go on and you get things, david, like carter page's
testimony, the top staffers talking to mueller's team. it is growing. is it having an impact on the president politically? david. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> just quickly, yes. you look at last night's results, you look at recent poles, you see the president's poll numbers in the mid, maybe high 30s and you see a lesser voter turnout among his core supporters in particularly virginia last night and a more robust turnout among voting demographics that have not supported trump. 80% of the people of color vote went to the democratic candidate, the winning candidate in virginia last night, over 60% of women, over 60s% of people under 45. all signs point to a reaction against what people have seen over the past year for president trump. and it also has been a distraction for president trump. i agree with john that if you
look back at flynn, he left the white house, he left the national security advisor role before fbi director comey was fired, before special counsel mueller was appointed. outwardly at least it looked for a time like maybe the legal jeopardy in the white house was going to be walled off with flynn. clearly that's not the case. he's one of many threats going on in this investigation. obviously neither he or his son have been charged yet, but from jim's reporting tonight if you look at the idea that the senior flynn is worried about the younger flynn, clearly this is something swirling very close to the president's orbit. >> that was the perception from the media, because flynn was the first one, maybe the first domino to fall so to speak. but no one thought philosophy, papadopoulos. >> i think we have no idea how many other people are
compromised. and trump is wearing thin not just virginia and new jersey because the combination of bullying, intolerance and lies, that's what brought down the republicans in virginia. it was a method, a way of conducting one's self-publically and politically. northam may not be the most exciting person in the world but you have a notion he's a solid guy and he serves in virginia and he means what he says, he has a history in the state. he wasn't lured to make any of the kinds of statements that you are hearing from republicans. if you notice the new seats in the general assembly, they flipped them ten points in a lot of these. and that was pretty dramatic. it's possible the democrats will yet take over the general assembly. >> thank you, generally. i need to move on. i want to get to the results of the election.
you heard john talking about the distractions and his words, the lies, in your piece today you write the virginia election last night was clearly a referendum on trump, trump-ism on the president. and it's a warning to republicans. what made virginia so special here? >> democrats needed this. you can't overstate the emotional importance of what happened yesterday. going into election day yesterday, going into virginia, democrats hadn't had the encouragement they needed that the liberal base was as ener jazzed as they said it was. there were marches but there wasn't much we could see at the polls. he won by nine points in a state hillary clinton only won by five and his democratic predecessor won by 2. this was an enormous margin offing victory put up by a
candidate who wasn't the most exciting person to put up there. ed gillespie can't run a terrible campaign so there's no way to look at the result and not see donald trump. >> you said the it was an emotional victory? >> i think the emotional importance of yesterday for the democratic party going forward, if somehow northam had lost, i think democrats wouldn't have gotten the momentum they need. they need to feel that voters are seeing what they're seeing in terms of donald trump's behavior, in terms of the way he's governing or not governing. this gave them that sign. >> what's difference than virginia from the georgia six? >> it's friendlier democratic turf. >> because georgia was backed by trump. >> yes. virginia is bluer, but not
nearly as blue as many republicans are saying. it's interesting to listen to some republicans and as some have been trying to spin it, they said there's never much hope in virginia, it was such a blue state. i remember up until about 2:00 p.m. yesterday everyone we were hearing gillespie has closed the gaps, he can win here. all of a sudden he looses by nine points and virginia is too blue for victory. >> they were saying it on this program as well. white college graduates went for trump over hillary clinton last year by four points. this year they went for the democrat over the republican by three points, a seven-point swing. will that be replicated nationwide, and so f so, what does it mean? >> it's possible to know, because in political terms there's an eon between now and when the 2018 midterms happen. i don't want to give any guesses
on that. i do think that democrats who were discouraged before yesterday, feel a new sense of purpose, new sense of hope. i think it's also important, donald trump's election told one story about america and we have been parsing and living in that story for a long time. it's a dark story of racial division, white resentment. yesterday told a different story. there were victories by redirect examination transgender accounteds, asian-american victor ris. this is the inverse of the 2016 election. >> it's interesting because that's what america really looks like, and i think many people have been looking around over the last year saying wait a minute. is america just 34% of the country, which is mostly white, some who, you know, have shown
in shocharlottesville. so maybe you're right bt the emotional importance of this. >> a friend of mine referred to yesterday as the rain beau bow revolt. but i think it's the rainbow correction. >> you think that's a fight for 2018? >> i do. i think people need to feel their voices can be heard and there is a way to kind of exercise their power and donald trump's election, especially having, you know, not won the popular vote, incredibly narrow mar zwr margins in those states that delivered the electoral college. i think people felt the election was rigged and they couldn't be heard. they were heard yesterday and that will matter going forward. >> we can put up your column, but i want to ask you about it because you wrote it in your
column today asking about the victory. i want to know if it gives more corkers and flakes, if this gets some people in congress or in the senate motivation to say, okay, enough is enough. >> i think that will happen. i don't think it's going to happen in big numbers. what we've seen today-to-date is republican cowardness, to think it's going to change overnight is ridiculous. but what donald trump showed in the tweet last night, he's not going to do with what mature politician would do and let republicans who need to win reelection, establish some distance between them. he's on twitter lags night, even though he's the reason ed gillespie lost, if you brought analysis to it, he's on twitter, saying if he hugged me tighter,
he would have won -- >> that's a talking point. >> do you see anything in these returns to suggest that's the case? >> no. no. not at all. i have to ask you before we go. what happens if taxes don't -- tax reform doesn't go through? >> i think it's a huge problem for republicans if tax reform doesn't go through because yet another occasion has happened where they set a goal, they wanted to pass legislation, they didn't. they will look inept and unable to do anything. however, if it passes that could be its own problem because there's a lot in the tax bill because it's going to ail nate certain voters they need in 2018. >> i think they're going to pass whatever they can because they need a win. they cannot go back to their districts without it. >> i've had republicans say to me, if we don't get anything done, we have nothing to campaign on, why would anyone vote for us. >> happy holidays or merry
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under the plan if it becomes law. i want to talk about the bill with william cohen, and richard painter a former ethic's white house lawyer. william, you first there's some red flags for the president's tax plan, only 35% of people approve of how the president is handling taxes in a new poll. what's the problem here? >> don, this is -- >> big sigh. >> yeah. i don't understand the plan. i don't know who it's going to benefit, certainly not the middle class and donald trump's wealther friends. basically the tax rates don't change except for corporations. so if you are a shareholder that's going to be great for you, partnership income, that's great for you. but if you live in new york, connecticut, places where
there's high state and local taxes, if you can't take those deductions anymore you're not going to be very happy. so i don't see who this benefits except corporations and people like donald trump who have a lot of partnership income. so i don't understand why he's saying he's going to be a big loser in this. he's a master of misdirection, so i guess that's an example of this. >> there's an analysis that say some in the middle class will pay more. but tonight the white house's budget director said president trump will reject a bill that raises ta raises tax gs on the middle class. >> i'm waiting to see what the senate comes out with. i don't understand the house plan. i don't understand when the president says he's going to sign a bill that raises taxes on the middle class when this bill
proposed by the house is not a benefit to the middle class or his rich friends. i don't get it. >> richard, i want to talk about the plan as i question you here. talk about the big loser thing. the president called a group of democratic senators to get support for the plan. he told them his accountant said he'd be a big loser, but based upon the only tax return we have seen, 2005, he paid $38.4 million, 31.3 is amt, which is the alternative minimum tax that would be repealed in the current plan. do you think the president would be a big winner or a big loser? >> i think he'd probably -- he'd clean up if we get rid of the alternative minimum tax. that's the only thing that made him pay any tax really at all that was significant in relation to what he earned that year. the alternative minimum tax is a big bite for a lot of upper middle income earners and they
should raise the threshold for it kicking in, but to take it away entirely would let people like donald trump get off scot-free. the bottom line is this tax plan, like the other ones we've seen in the congress, are a rip off for the middle class. i'd like to see tax cuts, but for middle class, the working americans we don't need them for the top of the scale for corporations. if he's not going to disclose his tax returns we don't know his interests sw and he has no business moneymonkying around with a tax code that helps himself. he needs to disclose the returns or not talk about taxes. he has to recuse from it, he has a conflict of interest. >> i certainly agree with richard painter on that. the other thing worth mentioning here is he's repealing the
estate tax or proposing to repeal the estate tax which is doing to help generations of trumps. we don't know how much he's worth, he's not worth the 10 or 11 billion he says, but he's worth plenty and he's not going to have to pay estate taxes which benefits him. >> he claimed the estate tax -- he claimed that the estate tax was a toss in because the plan is just so bad for rich people, obviously it would help the president and his children. is it bad for rich people? >> the federal tax rate for people who make a lot of money, the top tax rate remains at 39.6. so that doesn't help. that's a push, right? what hurts people of all -- all citizens of places like new york state and california, high tax -- local state tax
environments is you can't deduct that anymore. they're talking about limiting the mortgage interest deduction. that could be a problem for middle class and upper middle class people who own their home and have a big mortgage. i don't see who it benefits except really rich people who pay estate taxes and corporations. and people like donald trump who have a lot of partnership income. >> after last night will republicans in the suburbs want to vote for this plan? >> i don't think so. this -- this is not going to help anybody but the super rich. e bollish the estate tax it means you can have generations of families who don't do anything for a living except sit around and spend money somebody earned decades ago. i don't see anything in this for the middle class. the message is clear from voters, they want a government that's responsive to the economic needs of ordinary
americans and we need to focus on our economy, getting our economy going again, and putting pockets -- money in the pockets of ordinary families that need money to support their kids and send kids to school, the basic expenses that people are having trouble keeping up with. and that ought to be the focus. not just any huge amount of money to corporations and making sure that rich families like the trumps don't have to pay any estate tax. wince again, if he won't disclose his tax returns we don't know what kind of benefits he's getting from this tax plan, he has no business messing around with the tax code. every other president has disclosed his tax returns. there's no excuse for this. he says he's under audit. this audit has been going on for an awful long time, i have no idea what that's about. and the bottom line is people don't trust him, that's what we saw in virginia last night, the
person people don't trust our president. >> thank you. incredibly harsh words from north korea against trump. and any moment president trump will address the press alongside the president of china. >> standing with the united states -- you pull out the tube and you spit in it, which is something southern girls are taught you're not supposed to do. you seal it and send it back and then you wait for your results. it's that simple. use pantene shampoo together with 3 minute miracle daily conditioner. their pro-v formula is like a multi-vitamin. making your hair 2x stronger see the difference when you add 3 minute miracle daily conditioner.
president trump and china's president xi jinping will soon hold a joint news conference and we'll bring it to you live. thank you for coming on. samantha, all eyes are on the president's trip to china. here's the president earlier tonight. >> the hosting of the military parade this morning was magnificent and the world was watching. i've already had people calling from all parts of the world. they were all watching. nothing you can see is so beautiful. so i just want to thank you for the very warm welcome and i look forward to many years of success
and friendship, working together to solve not only our problems, but worlds problems and problems of great danger and security. i believe we can solve almost all of them and probably all of them. >> samantha, what needs to come out of these bilateral meetings especially with the north korean tensions so high. >> i agree with president trump that a lot of people are watching the outcome of his meeting with president xi. it's no secret that trump has seesawed china during the campaign, to bullying them on twitter to lavishing them with praise. the fact is there have been positive sound bytes coming out of this visit to beijing. but president trump has not raised any of the issues he spoke about during the campaign. if he fails to speak with
president xi about unfair chinese market practices or property left, he's going to send a message he's all about bluster and doesn't follow through on his threats to hold countries accountable for their misbehavior. now kim jong-un could interpret that to mean that donald trump also isn't serious about his threat to strike north korea if they don't denuclearize. >> did you hear a coherent strategy during the president's speech last night in south korea? >> he fluctuate between saber rattling and we will destroy you and the softer tones i think south korea wanted to the hear from him. so there is a concern about what are the chinese hearing, they're the key players, and their worries that trump is so erratic. they're watching his language and how he carries himself inside china. if he does speak out, it'll be seen as deeply insulting.
so it's a delicate balance, i don't think he has come up with a policy. >> let's look how north korea responded calling him, quote, a lunatic old man. is kim trying to goad trump? >> he is. this is a transparent move by kim jong-un. we know trump has taken a less aggressive stance with these two leaders who are against military options more because they don't want to see u.s. troops in the korean peninsula. kim is trying to egg donald trump on. and donald trump should remain on message, on his talking points if at all possible so that he can convince both xi and putin that a military strike is not a fore gone conclusion. if he doesn't, the chinese and russians are not going to put additional pressure on kim jong-un because they'll think
it's for not. >> he also made big promises when it comes to trade and talked tough on china during the campaign. watch this. >> we can't continue to allow china to rape our country -- that's what they're doing, they're taking our jobs, money, our base, our manufacturing. i'm going to structure my treasur treasur treasurer secretary to label china a currency manipulator. >> so david, what would be a win for the pot this trip especially considering his lagging poll numbers at home. >> he has these executives with him, he's going to unveil trade deals. but the south china see he's not raising that at all. and a lot of allies are waiting to see, will he confront china? he's not going to do that. he needs their cooperation on north korea, he's not getting that. back to his base, he's promised
the changes on trade and high paying jobs. i don't see that coming out of this trip. >> is there a win? >> the win is he's calm, he's statesman like, sticks to his scripts. but that doesn't deliver the campaign promises he made. >> david, thank you. samantha, thank you as well. appreciate it. when we come back, last night wasn't just big for democrats, women, people of color, lgbtq are winning races, and will it last. hi, i'm the internet! you know what's difficult? armless bowling. you got this, jimmy! you know what's easy? building your website with godaddy. pick a domain name. choose a design.
african-americans, gay and transgender were elected across the country. was this a rebuke of the president? can you say that? >> there's no question about that,don. it was sweet poetic justice with all of those wins when you had for example a historic win by a transgender woman who took the seat of the most anti-lgtb delicate there. so this happened across the board you had two latinas in the house of delegates. you had african-americans as lieutenant governors. a record amount of women who ran and won. and what i think this proves is it was a resounding rejection of trump's agenda, philosophy, temperment, policies, language
and his twitter habits. >> listen, ed, she's tauing about -- let me get the question. she's talking about dan ka, defeating robert marshal, sponsored the transgender bathroom bill, described himself as the chief's homophob? >> no. the two white guy who won in virginia and new jersey weren't outside of the gem graphic when you look at me. where i'm from we had a senate race between a guy and a woman, and the guy won. when you're seeing there's more money, in the case of marshal, he got beat. everything else is elections based on the numbers. virginia was not a surprise to
anyone that knows politics, and new jersey was not a surprise. so the idea of reading a mandate into this seems so farfetched. >> do you think it's cherry picking? >> poor ed. as someone who does know politics. it's true that the results in new jersey were not that surprising, it's a blue state. it went 13 points for hillary clinton over trump -- >> there was a republican governor but chris christy had problems. >> yes, he won by 22 points four years ago, but that's not surprising. what is surprising, though, in my state of new jersey, for example, was how underperforming republicans were doing in districts they should not have been. districts that were normally a strong hold. we have legacy families in districts in new jersey and the republican only -- actually, the democrat there outperformed the
republican in ways that no one expected. which is not good for the modern republican states like new jersey. in virginia, what was surprising to those of us that know politics was the fact that the house of delegates down there in virginia is about to flip potentially. that was -- no one expected that. >> yeah. >> even close observers didn't expect that. republicans had almost a 2 to 1 margin there. it should be alarming, because it's indicative of what happened in 2006 and 2008. they lost the house of representatives in 2006 and in 2008 that continued on with the wave of barack obama. there was a lot of things that you can glean from what happened. >> i want to read this, in new jersey, the city councilman, became the state's first schick
mayor. but democrats turned out big, but the president still has his core supporters. i want to read a piece, this is from politico. he revisited a town called johnstown, pennsylvania. trump is simply an unceaseingly angry on their behalf, battling the people who vex them the worst obstructionist democrats uncooperative, establishment republicans, the media. black lives matter protesters and nfl players boyo boy do they hay nfl players. he spoke with a couple that called the nfl players a horrible name, including the n word. can that kind of racism be
overcome do you think? >> i do think it can be overcome. we saw it last night. look at the piece you put up last night, don. this is the president of the united states who prides himself on representing hatred, racism, bigotry, on representing vengefulness -- >> that's ridiculous -- >> -- on representing anger. he represents the worst in all of us. >> you sound angry. >> and is proud of it. so i would say what last night represented is the majority of americans who have come out to say enough. this is not a man who represents -- >> the majority of americans? come on. >> i'm not finished. who have not -- this is a majority of americans who have said, like they said in the election, ed, because he did not get the support of the majority of americans that he does not represent full on american values. and that is a huge piece that
republicans really need to take a strong look at going into 2018. >> come on, don. look. are you going to give a lengthy speech on what you think of the president, this and that. these are offyear elections, everyone knows in virginia and new jersey we expected energy to be on the party that's out of power. everything else i agree with the president's assessment. >> of course you do -- >> she was responded to the politico article. >> she said all that stuff about the president being somebody about hate and all that stuff. >> absolutely. i stand by it 100%. >> i understand. >> did you hear the response from the politico article that he said that trump is simply unceaseingly angry on the behalf, battling the people -- >> that's someone's description. >> using the n word to -- >> that's not acceptable, and i don't think the president does too. but when somebody is interviewed and the politico article has an
angle -- my point is people have lots of reasons to vote for people. people voted for barack obama because they thought of him something we may not agree with it. look at the president's speech in south korea last night. for these people to come on your show and say over and over again they wish we change the rules and elect our president by popular vote, that's never been the system, we have a constitution, most people, including hillary clinton thought it was a good system -- >> where did that come from? >> she brought brought that up. >> it is a nonsense argument -- >> hold on. wait, hold. after the break. [vo] quickbooks introduces rodney.
>> just so you know, 11, 16 s 12, the electoral college is a disaster for democracy. >> what did i say right before the break? >> you did. you mentioned it. that was the point i was making before we had to go to break -- >> come on, guys. >> i don't want to go down this rabbit hole, but yeah. >> trump is all over the place >> wait a minute a second, don. can i just say something? it's true that people make criticisms of the system. whatever the system is before -- you know, when ever that -- but when you run and set the rules, the rules trump ran on was to win and he won. you guys want to play chess -- >> and trump complained about it the whole time. >> hold on. ed, what are you talking about? what are you talking about? >> i'm talking about the people that are so diluted that they come on and say oh, hillary won the popular vote, therefore it's something special. >> she did win the popular vote. >> that doesn't matter. so did al gore. it's not how you become president. >> but here's the thing, ed -- >> so would you say to the president that we have a constitution and we elect presidents a certain way and that he needs to abide by that and respect it?
would you say that to the president of the united states? >> i sure would. any president. >> after he tweeted that it was a disgrace? >> no. that was before he was a candidate. again, you can criticize the system. you can criticize the system any time -- >> oh, my god. >> here is the problem. >> all right. >> here is the problem with what ed is saying, because he's saying that it doesn't matter that hillary won by 3 million votes. you're right it doesn't matter in terms of who is president. but it does matter when it comes to governing. donald trump does not care -- >> no it doesn't. no it doesn't. >> -- that he is only supported by less than a third of americans. he doesn't care that communities of color feel that they are left behind. >> that's not how it works. >> and abandoned and are fearful by the kind of divisive and hateful rhetoric this president has spouted from the day that he announced his candidacy. >> can i say something? >> you're missing a good presidency. >> can i get a word in here for a second? >> sure. yeah. >> okay. look, all those things, how
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