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to abduct a muslim cleric wanted by a key u.s. ally. his special counsel robert mueller closing in on flynn. moscow money man. cnn tracks down a russian billionaire with ties to vladimir putin and to indicted former campaign chairman paul manafort. wait until you hear how he responded to our questions. and snapshot. president trump is all smiles and handshakes with vladimir putin as they pose for a summit photo in matching shirts. so why aren't they able to get together and sit down for formal talks? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're "in the sitroom." "/* "you're in the situation room." >> this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news tonight, republican senate candidate roy moore bombing sexual misconduct
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allegations calling them completely false. moore savaging his campaign in alabama a month before the special election. "the washington post" points to an illegal sexual encounter with a girl when she was 14 years old and she was 32. tonight the campaign says it's ending a campaign to raise money for moore. the white house and republicans are distancing themselves from moore saying if the allegations prove true, he should withdraw from the race. we're also following alarming new allegations involving president trump's fired national security adviser michael flynn. "the wall street journal" reports that flynn and his son were allegedly offered as much as $15 million to forcibly remove a muslim cleric from the united states and deliver him to turkey. this special counsel's office is investigating. and there's new intrigue tonight surrounding president trump and russia's vladimir putin as they attend an economic summit in asia.
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while the two leaders briefly chatted and shook hands during a group photo, the white house says they won't be holding formal one-on-one talks after all. but the kremlin suggests some kind of meeting may still be possible. this hour, i'll talk to democratic congressman jim hines, a member of the house and senate intelligence committee. and our correspondents and specialists are standing by. first, let's go to cnn's martin savage tonight in alabama for us with the breaking news on the sexual abuse allegations against senate candidate roy moore. martin, very firm denial from moore tonight? >> reporter: absolutely, wolf. and there is no question that the allegations that have been made have shaken not just the state of alabama, not just the supporters of roy moore, and not just his campaign, right at a time that it appeared they were on the way to winning, but as also evident this evening, it has shaken roy moore himself. roy moore taken to conservative
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talk radio making comments about the accusations against him, including the allegation of sexually abusing a 14-year-old girl in 1979. first reported by "the washington post." >> these allegations are completely false and misleading. but more than that, it hurts me personally because, you know, i'm a father, i have one daughter, i have five granddaughters, and i have a special concern for protection of the young ladies. this is, this is really hard to get on radio and explain this as these allegations are just completely false. >> reporter: moore says he has no recollection of his most serious accuser, lee cordman, who says when she was 14 and moore was 32, he undressed and sexually abused her. >> i don't know miss corfman from anybody. i've never talked to her, i'ver in had any contact with her, allegation of sexual misconduct is completely false.
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>> reporter: should moore quit or continue his quest for senate? and republicans and democrats are divided. >> i don't know what is going to happen. alabamans are going to vote, they will make a decision. they will likely end up sending him to the senate. and if the allegations are true, he'll be replaced. the problem is whether they are true or not. >> reporter: moore is still finding support in his state of washington where he's hoping to take over the senate seat. more than a dozen gop lawmakers are saying moore should step down if the accusations are true. >> if they're true, he should step aside. >> if that's true, i don't believe that there is a place for him in the u.s. senate. >> reporter: the political scandal triggering reaction from president trump halfway around the world, speaking on air force one between china and vietnam, the white house press secretary spokesperson sarah sanders first gave the impression trump was supporting moore. >> the president believes that we can not allow a mere allegation in this case, one for many years ago to destroy a person's life. >> reporter: but in the very next line, sanders repeating and
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increasing her theme. >> however, the president also believes that if these allegations are true, judge moore will do the right thing and step aside. >> reporter: moore himself is showing absolutely no indication of quitting. in a phone interview, moore's brother says his brother's accusers are either being paid or supporting moore's democratic component. then comparing his brother's political problems to the persecution of jesus christ. but the question remains, are the shocking accusations impacting alabama voters? it depends on who you talk to. >> i was already voting for doug jones just for other reasons, so it wouldn't change my vote. but i think it would change others' votes, if they're true. i would hope. >> reporter: that is the real question. many people, voters, it seems, are asking themselves, are these allegations true or not? those who know moore will tell you these things for certain, he's not going to quit, he won't back down, they definitely don't expect the state gop to intervene in my way. and they do expect that roy
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moore will be the next senator for alabama. wolf? >> just giving a statement, martin, from senator mike lee, he just issued, he's a republican senator from utah, having read the detailed description of the incidents as well as the response from judge moore and his campaign, i can no longer endorse his candidacy for the u.s. senate. a lot of republican senators saying, if the allegations are true, if the allegations are true, he will, if the allegations are true, they say that he should drop out of the race. but mike lee now saying flatly, flatly, that he should drop out of this race. he cannot endorse him for the senate. john mccain similarly said that earlier. and millionontana senator steve also said that, he should step aside. the numbers are clearly growing in the u.s. senate among republicans. we'll see if that impacts the senate candidate. we'll have much more on this story coming up. i want to get to the new allegations right now involving
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the fired national security adviser michael flynn. we're joined by our justice correspondent pamela brown. you're getting new information, what is the latest? >> reporter: that's right, wolf. we are learning more about the alleged plot that moore and his son were involved with turkish officials to exchange millions of dollars just before he took on the role of national security adviser. it's a bombshell allegation, former national security adviser michael flynn and his son michael flynn jr. were offered up to $15 million to forcibly remove a muslim cleric living in the u.s. according to "the wall street journal." cnn has learned special counsel robert mueller is investigating the flynns' role in this alleged plot. "the wall street journal" reports the fbi has already questioned several people regarding a meeting between the flynns and turkish government representatives in mid-december at the 21 club in manhattan. at the time, flynn was just weeks away from starting his new role as donald trump's national security adviser.
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>> the next president of the united states, right here. >> reporter: in an interview with cnn's fareed zakaria conducted before "the wall street journal" story broke and airing sunday on "fareed zakaria gps," he denies any deals were made but said that would help him win an extradition. >> had michael flynn provided you with any assurance it would happen? >> no, no, no, no one has. we are not dealing with michael flynn. we are dealing with the government of united states. >> but he was national security adviser. >> he -- after that he left. >> reporter: at this point, it's not known if a deal was reached or whether money was exchanged for this proposed plan of forced extradition. the december meeting follows revelations of related discussions months before and during the campaign. former cia director james woolsy was part of the meeting with
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flynn and turkish officials aboutpotential ways to get erdogan back to turkey to face charges. >> there was at least some strong suggestion by the one or more of the americans present at the meeting to the turks that we would be able, the united states would be able through them to get hold of gulan. >> reporter: at the time a spokesman for flynn denied there were any talks about physically removing a muslim cleric leader and legal permanent member of the u.s. a failed militant coup attempt in -- >> if we are strategic partners or model partners, do what is necessary. >> reporter: and tonight flynn's attorney released a statement saying, out of respect for the process of the various investigations regarding the 2016 campaign, we have
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intentionally avoided responding to any rumor/allegation raise in the media. but today's news cycle has brought allegations about general flynn ranging from kidnapping to bribery that are so outrageous and prejudice s prejudicial that we are making an announcement exception to our usual rule that they are false. >> he got, what, $500,000 for the initial work. >> a lot of money. >> okay, thank you very much for that, pamela brown reporting. tonight cnn has caught up with an elusive billionaire and power broker with links to the russia investigation. we're joined by our seen area national correspondent matthew chance at the asia pacific economic summit in vietnam. matthew, you had a chance to speak with the russian oligarch with ties to vladimir putin and to the president's former c
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campaign chairman paul manafort now under indictment. what happened? >> reporter: first of all, he didn't want to speak to us, wolf, but he arrived at the apec summit here in vietnam shoulder to should we are the russian president, vladimir putin. they walked into the hotel where we were waiting for mr. putin. in fact, to have a meeting with various other leaders from the asia pacific region. and i ended up standing next to him, and i threw key questions to him about paul manafort, the former trump campaign chairman. take a listen. it's matthew chance from cnn. is it true that mr. manafort owed you millions of dollars when he was -- when he was the head of the trump campaign? did he offer you these private meetings so that he could try to be paid?
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were you a secret back channel from the kremlin to the trump campaign? why won't you answer the questions? we tried to get an interview with you properly, sir, and you keep walking away. did paul manafort owe you millions of dollars as the head of the trump campaign? we just want the real truth. did he owe you millions of dollars? did he offer those private briefings to you as a way to try to repay that debt, mr. deripaska? it's a big issue in the united states, sir. did he offer you private briefings to try to repay some of that debt to you, is that why he offered them? >> get lost, please. thank you.
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>> reporter: a pretty adamant refusal there but deripaska, the russian oligarch, to answer any questions. off camera, he told me there was no meddling in the u.s. election from the russian side. and that cnn was fake news, both words we have heard expressed, of course, many times in the united states. >> good try, matthew, excellent work. he clearly did not want to speak. he's not very comfortable by that, even though his english is very good. matthew, thank you very much. matthew chance reporting for us from the economic summit in vietnam. let's talk more about this with congressman jim hines, a key democrat on the house intelligence committee. congressman, thanks for joining us. >> good evening, wolf. >> you just saw the russian oligarch deripaska avoid our reporter matthew chance who repeatedly tried to talk to him, ask him serious questions, is this someone in your committee, the oligarch, that your committee would like to talk to?
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>> reporter: yeah, sure is. i was admiring your reporter's ability to get that close and to ask some questions, because he -- my committee, the intelligence committee, he is a key figure with relationships with paul manafort. we would love to have the opportunity to get him testifying under oath. of course, as a non-u.s. national who doesn't come around the u.s. all that often, it's unlikely we're going to get that chance. >> why do you think this oligarch allegedly forgave paul manafort, who was the campaign chairman for the trump campaign, now indicted by the special counsel, robert mueller, he forgave a $19 million loan to manafort. >> yeah, i mean, that's one of the questions that we would love to ask. i mean, one person's loan forgiveness is another person's bribe. and so, when that kind of value moves around, you really want to know what is being -- what is being promised or what is being done on the other side of it. and as i said, you know, of all of the many russian oligarchs
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whose names come up, deripaska is one that seems to be in this nexus with the trump campaign because of his relationship with paul manafort, look, it's quite possible there's no connection, that was not an avenue of collusion. if that is true, it would be wonderful if he would answer those questions. and i would think he would be eager to answer those questions if, in fact, that was true. >> we'll see if you get a chance to ask him those questions. we'll turn to the russian investigation, "the wall street journal" reporting that the special counsel robert mueller is investigating an alleged plan from trump's former national security adviser michael flynn and his son michael flynn jr., who one one of his father's advisers, they worked together. the journal reporting they were offering $15 million to forcibly remove a muslim cleric from turkey, gulan, who currently lives in pennsylvania, and return him back to the turkish government. gulan is accused of being
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involve inside a 2016 coup against the turkish government, accused by the turkish government there. you're a member of the house intelligence committee, have you been briefed on this? what can you tell us? >> we have not been briefed on this, in particular. and it's important you know, wolf, and that everybody know that the mueller investigation, which is the investigation that will and has undertaken indictments, that has, you know, pursued the criminal side of this. and if these allegations are true, of course, they are allegations, if the allegations are true that represents any number of possible criminal violations, the mueller investigation is not briefing the congressional investigation, which is as it should be. so no, we have not received this briefing, but i have to be just as an interesting observer, i'm sort of interested in the fact that this information was made public to "the wall street journal." mueller's investigation has not generally been leaky. in fact, when things have come out, it is usually pre-staged or predicted activity like the announcement of the george
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papadopoulos guilty plea and, of course, the indictment of paul manafort and his business partner. so the fact that this information got out is in and of itself as somewhat interesting. >> just flush that out for a moment, it is deliberate to do what? >> well, you know, if you look back over the last couple of months or so, we became aware of the no knock entry into paul manafort's apartment. and then became aware of the indictment of paul manafort several days before that indictment was actually unsealed. so one possibility, and this is a possibility, it's not anything i know, but is that mueller is using this kind of statement to apply pressure on somebody for some reason. again, i just observe that the fbi investigation really has not been leaky and this information is out there. and it puts, i have to be -- your story cited former cia
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director james woolsy saying he recalled a meeting prior to the election in which this came up. of course, the flynn side has denied that. michael flynn having lost his job for having lied to the vice president amongst others. and james woolsy as a former director of the cia, i certainly know who i would be likely to believe in that situation. >> michael flynn sr. did meet with turkish representatives both before he was named national security adviser and he had another meeting after he was formally named national security adviser during the transition before he started his role after the president took office. but do you know, congressman, if those are the only two meetings he had with turkish representatives? >> i don't know. and i'm not sure that anybody could know. meaning, you know, it's quite possible there were other meetings out there that aren't reported. so no, i don't know. what i do know is that meetings that which a non -- before the president became the president,
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if there was a discussion with turkish government representatives of something like this, quite apart from the obvious charge of kidnapping, we do in this country try to run one government at a time. and there have been a number of instances associated with michael flynn where there were discussions or alleged discussions with the officials of foreign governments about what might happen next. that's not appropriate. of course, if these discussions happened after donald trump became president, while michael flynn was national security adviser, this sort of takes me back to the days of oliver north, when, you know, people associated with the white house and the national security council and national security adviser were sort of freelansing foreign policy outside of the usual channels, the channels of extradition and the channels of the state department. so this raises a lot of questions. and again, it is a leak, it is an allege by "the wall street journal." so an awful lot of people will want to know where this goes. >> all right. as you know, president trump's
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former security chief, keith stiller, he testified before your committee, the sbhounlgs committ house intelligence committee, and during that testimony schiller said during the trip to moscow for the miss universe pageant, he waited outside trump's room for a little bit and left. he testified that the whole thing was a joke. did you get that impression that it was all a joke? >> well, first, i wasn't in that part of the testimony, even if i had been, wolf, these leaks outside of the investigation are not helpful to our cause. so again, i couldn't confirm that for you because i wasn't in the room. but it is disappointing that this kind of information is getting out there, because, of course, we want witnesses to be totally forthcoming with the investigation. and in as much information gets out there, it reduces the
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we're back with house intelligence member congressman hines. congressman, i want you to
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standby as i get a live report with the president's new encounter with vladimir putin and the prospects of them getting together again. let's go to our senior white house correspondent jim acosta traveling with the president in vietnam. the president is at the asia pacific economic summit. jim, we saw president trump and president putin face-to-face today. >> reporter: that's right, wolf. and the big question of this trip for trump on this day is, will he or won't he have a formal sit-down meeting with russian president vladimir putin. earlier in the week, the president said the white house expected to talk to putin about north korea. now the world may see a little more than a photo op of these two leaders. after raising expectations of a critical meeting between president trump and russian president vladimir putin at the apec economic summit in vietnam, the two men only make time for this, a quick group photo with other world leaders. the white house says both sides are running into trouble finding time for a meeting.
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as a frustrated kremlin spokesman put it in theory, they could travel to mars to the tonight. life is a bit different, let's wait and see. the administration officials who had said the president wanted to call on putin to ramp up the pressure on north korea are now hedging their bets. >> clearly, the leaders are going to be at the summit together. it wouldn't be at all unusual if they ended up with some kind of a pull-aside. the question is whether we've got sufficient substance. >> reporter: but a meeting would highlight a mushrooming political program for the president back home, the russia investigation. >> that, i think, is keeping president trump from formally having a meeting, because he's going to have to talk about that to the press, and he may not want to upset president putin because he's going to have to be strong. >> reporter: overshadowed by events back in the u.s. throughout the trip from the texas shooting to the virginia defeat to the gop and now the roy moore allegations, the president is changing his subject continuing for calls of
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fair trade deals. but even on the winning issue with his base, the president is changing his tune, all but forgiving them for the current trade balance. >> the current trade balance is unacceptable. i do not blame china or any other country of which there are many, for taking advantage of the united states on trade. if their representatives are able to get away with it, they are just doing their job. >> reporter: that's a far cry from how he blasted china in the past. >> we can't continue to allow china to rape our country, and that's what they're doing. it's the greatest theft in the history of the world. >> reporter: the president vowed to be tougher on trade than his predecessors, but he didn't lay out how. >> we are not going to let the united states be taken advantage of anymore. i am always going to put america first, the same way that i expect all of you in this room
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to put your countries first. >> reporter: the president paid tribute to vietnam war veteran who is gathered where mr. trump remembered the sacrifices made at this once crucial battleground, touting the administration's efforts to build up the u.s. military. >> i got to know him for a few minutes up front. and they are definitely tough, smart cookies. we like them. i think they like me, too, i'm not sure, but i think -- no, i think they do. i think they see what we're doing for our military. >> reporter: and at this point, the white house is all but ruling out the chances of a meeting between president trump and vladimir putin. press secretary sarah sanders said reports of a sait-down wer wrong. and said sergey lavrov were wrong. it seems the kremlin wants a meeting, the white house doesn't. wolf? >> we'll see what happens. jim acosta, thank you very much. let's get back to congressman
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jim hines. were you surprised that formally with putin, at least so far, as so widely expected? >> no, i'm not really surprised. remember, wolf, these big public meetings are done for public consumption, right? if we have something that is real, that is problematic, that needs to be negotiated, these don't happen at big formal presentation-oriented meetings with the press there. that happens that you want to send the signal that a negotiation has succeeded. that there is progress being made. i'm not sure that at this moment in time coming on the heels of the manafort indictment and the guilty plea by george papadopoulos, i'm not sure that it serves the president politically, particularly well to be photographed sitting next to vladimir putin or to be, you know, to have to listen to the shouted questions from the press that undoubtedly would accompany that meeting. so no, i'm not surprised that this is not going to happen.
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>> but there are some major issues on the national security front, the u.s. is interested in getting russia up and dealing with north korea, in syria, in ukraine, crimea and certainly, i don't know if the president will raise it, if they were to have a meeting, russian involvement meddling in the u.s. presidential election. these are important issues. >> yeah, and they may be discussed behind closed doors because when they happen in a real way, they are discussed. again, the public meetings are done to send a signal to the public. i'm not sure it is in the president's political interest with the photograph sitting next to president putin right now. yeah, there's lots of things we need there, we need russian cooperation on, the ones, the ones you listed, you know, whether this president is willing to push vladimir putin on those things, or, you know, bizaarly, one of the strange things where we are today.
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or to push vladimir putin on what most americans know to be true, which is that he's meddling in other people's democratic elections, not just ours, but the germans and others, it's sort of hard to see that happening. >> congressman hines, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. just ahead, alabama republican senate candidate roy moore answers allegations of sexual misconduct and denies he abused a 14-year-old girl when he was in his 30s. but is the gop cutting ties with him? and a bombshell claim that former national security adviser michael flynn was offered $15 million to abduct a muslim cleric living in the united states and to turn him over to turkey. what are his lawyers now saying?
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we are back with breaking news that roy moore is addressing allegations threatening to or the spetorped campaign in alabama. steve danes just moments ago pulled their support for moore. "the washington post" is standing by its story that moore initiated a relationship with a 14-year-old girl when he was 32 years old, which would be illegal now and then. let's bring in our correspondents, analysts and specialists, mark preston, it sounds like roy moore based on this interview he gave sean
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hannity, conservative radio a little while ago, he has no intention of dropping out. >> he has no intention of dropping out. not only are we hearing it from himself today, but we have heard this from his brother, our own martin savage talked to his brother, and we have seen folks around alabama that have supported roy moore that have said they're going to stand behind him. however, there's a couple scenarios that could play out right now, wolf. if he decides to stay in, there's nothing in, he does win, if he wins now on december 12th, there's nothing the united states senate can do to exclude him from entering the chamber. so he would have to be sworn in. what they could do, though, is allow him to be sworn in and then they could expel him if they got two-thirds majority to kick him out of the chamber. if he does stay in the chamber, another way mitch mcconnell could punish him, is he could hold back all his committees. >> what are the chances of a write-in candidate like luther strange? >> it's a suicide mission. there's no way that person could win. but think of it this way, if -- if he were to get expelled from the senate now, if roy moore were to get expelled, you could
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see the governor ivy down in alabama could put strange back into the senate. >> very interesting. the national republican senatorial committee has severed ties with judge moore right now, no fund-raising ties with him, what's the impact on capitol hill? >> this is the biggest step republicans have taken in the last 24 hours to distance themselves from roy moore. and it's something that is tangible, right? it's a severed tie. and it is robbing him of essential fund-raising in the final weeks of the campaign. this is a major vehicle, major muscle for the nrse to comply him essential money in the last few weeks. and now we are just over a month to the special election. so that is an important thing for him. >> so what are the options now, how do you see that this thing unfolds? >> well, republican senators are in sort of a tricky spot. you know, and you'll notice a lot of them are saying, if these allegations are true. sort of begging the question, what other information they would need to up their
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condemnation of this. and part of it gets at the party loyalty over morality. and sort of if they're going to take a stand on morality, and mark was eluding to this, the party gets more fractured if you have a write-in candidate. so you'll see people sort of sticking by him. you also see the close parallel with todd aiken, everybody distanced themselves from todd aiken and his comments controversial, but the party funneled a million toward the end of the race. >> listen to steve bannon, the president's former chief strategist talking about what has just happened in alabama. listen to this. >> it is interesting, the bezos "washington post" that dropped that dumb on donald trump is the same bezos amazon/"washington post" that dropped the dime this afternoon on judge roy moore. now, is that a coincidence?
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that is what i mean when i say opposition party, right? it's purely part of the apparatus of the democratic party. they don't make any bones about it. >> all right, what is your reaction to that? >> drain the swamp, pump in the pond scum. let me tell you what we've got here, we're suggesting there's a liberal media bias against republicans. every talk to anthony weiner, the congressman from new york? how about the governor, eliot spitzer? how about going back in the day, a democratic party candidate, gary hart, taken down by the media as a prominent democratic candidate. how about this guy bill clinton? crushed by the media because of and inappropriate relationship, in his case, a mature woman outside the oval office. if this is a suggestion that this is a party process biased against republicans, i would say, number one, look at history. number two is even more fundamental, we're suggesting within one day of this event that we favor party over person, that in history when we see
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multiple women suggest that a man did something wrong, that they're wrong. history tells us the women are right. my suggestion would be simple, favor the person over a party and ask a simple question, do we have two, three, four days to let this settle, see what the story holds and hold your judgment on whether the liberal media attacked somebody, because it is a same liberal media who took down a governor, a congressman, a candidate and a president. i think that's appalling and the man -- he should vacation enough for ten days, that's not for that dude. >> which dude are you talking about? >> he needs to go away. >> more events are unfolding. we'll be right back.
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there's more breaking news this hour, michael flynn's attorney denying a report alleging that the former national security adviser to president trump was offered $15 million to forcibly remove a cleric from the united states and ship him off to turkey where he's wanted. let's discuss this, this is a pretty amazing development right now. michael flynn sr. and jr. are being investigated big time by the special counsel, robert mueller. >> and i think the questions will be too simplistic, that is, did he sell access to the oval office for money? i think the questions are subtle. and we have already seen those in the initial mueller indictments, that's the special
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counsel's indictments that we saw a couple weeks ago. number one, did michael flynn have a financial relationship overseas that he did not declare to u.s. tax authorities? did he have financial irregularities like we saw with paul manafort and the turks? number two, this gets lugly because his son is involved. when you go into interviews with the former fbi director, if you lie to formal investigators, that they will throw a federal charge at you for lying to officers. when general flynn and his son go in to speak, are they going to tell the truth about the relationships if they don't, director mueller will throw a violation at them for lying under oath. >> mueller is moving very quickly deeply in this area. >> yeah, and look, he has a pretty fantastic investigative team behind him, right? this is why you don't see the special counsels very often.
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once you open the can of worms for the special counsel, you have investigated everything to gently be related. everything is always related. that is the concern. when phil sees this and it has been reported at this point, it would be derelection of duty. >> he was only national security adviser for 28 days before he was ousted. earlier, while he was a private citizen, the summer before, he did get $500,000 from the turks, which he only disclosed after he was fired under the foreign agents registration act. then he disclosed that to the justice department. >> yeah, and i think the $15 million that comes as an offer right before he takes the national security adviser position is the thing they're -- he was that close to an allegation here. >> it may have been in the
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transition to become the national security adviser once the president became president. >> we have seen this with mueller, the ability to, you know, with manafort, for example, put him in a dicy situation where he might offer something else up. that's the thing that the white house, i think, is most concerned about. they were worried that flynn was going to be the first wave of indictments and he wasn't. so i think that's and what else he might know and could offer up. >> i get the impression, you cover capitol hill for us, that yes, there's investigations going on on the senate side, the house side, but the real action, the real potential criminal action involves a special counsel, robert mueller. >> it is and this really underscores how wide of a scope this all is and going back to mark's point, you have an investigation that they might be looking for one thing, but it could uncover something else. so if you're in the white house, if you have anything to hide, you're shaking in your boots right now because you're realize ing that they are being very throw row and they're look iingt
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everything, not just on russia. >> you used to work in the fbi and the cia as well. there's a lot of suspension out there, suspension that the special counsel, robert mueller, squeezing michael flynn by going after his son as leverage to get michael flynn senior to talk. >> let's look at one critical piece of timing. a few weeks ago, you have robert mueller, who i work for, charged against somebody in the trump campaign sickle. when you walk into an interview with michael flynn or his son, what are they thinking today in this complex swirl of what happened during the campaign, they're thinking if i don't come up with the truth, what the counsel has told me is that he will lay a charge of lying on me. that's a charge that carries a federal, federal time in prison. so i think the time iing of the initial indictments is critical to these conversations now with general flynn and his son. they better tell the truth or else they're look iing at what
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happened two weeks ago. lying to a federal official charge, that's five years or more. >> i get the impression that muell mueller's investigation is really heating up following the other indictments. >> you can tell that by the public signs. as we saw a week or so ago, how much privately mueller is doing in only revealing you know, with people were cooperting who we don't yet know about. so i think there's a lot of activity going on. there's potential for more indictments and more interviews. >> i'm sure the president is watching all this and his staff at the white house is reporting on it. they're all pretty nervous. >> i think he said it. if you're in the white house, if you had done something, ooempb if it was very, very little, you are concerned at this point. i think what the president is thinking now, how do i telegraph the people that i will get them off. that if they are indicted, convicted of something, how can i go in and get them off and i'm sure that's going through his mind. >> stand by. more news we're following. we'll be right back.
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anthony bowurdain is servin up something different this weekend. ♪ >> he was the master of ceremonies. the ring master and he enjoyed
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being someone who could play host to the gathering of rich and powerful and important or self-important people. >> i know he spent a lot of time in the kitchen. got splattered ewith some food. he'd come walking out around the crowd shaking hands, saying hello, being jeremiah and i was just looking so totally in control. >> you wanted to see him. you wanted to see who was touching your food, who's making it and who was directing the rest of the guys in the kitchen. i think jeremiah was a celebrity chef. he was one of the first. >> it was like a conductor walking through with an orchestra and that's what he would do. he usually had a glass of champagne in his hand and if he didn't, somebody brought it. >> he joins us now.
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tony, you were executive producer of this film. tell us more about jeremiah tower. what made you to decide to take on this project? >> well, i was aware in my years as a chef, of course, i'd heard the name come up again and again and again in a very reverent way among fellow professionals. i read his mem oir, california dish, and it made me angry and outraged this one of the founding figures in the new american cuisine, the american food revolution. a guy who changed everything about what we eat, how we eat, what restaurants look like, the role of the chef in today's society. that this man had ruled the world for a short while. changed everything and then been largely and to a great extent, willfully written out of history and just disappear. >> wow. i can't wait to see it.
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good work as usual. we're looking forward to seeing jeremiah tower, the last magnificent debuts here on cnn sunday, november 12th, 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific. thanks so much for doing this. >> my pleasure. thank you, wolf. >> that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news. roy moore fires back. facing allegations of sexual misconduct with a 14-year-old when he was 32. moore now claims he never even met her. plus more breaking news. steve bannon, moore's biggest backer, about to speak in his defense. if moore goes down, does bannon go with him? and the russian oligarch is at the side of putin today. his connection to paul manafort? we ask him. good evening, everybody. i'm kate bold

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