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this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news. let's go to manila in the philippines where u.s. president donald trump is speaking at the asean summit. let's listen in. >> president duterte, distinguished leaders, friends and partner, i'm honored to represent the united states of america at this u.s. asean commemorative summit. we gathered today at a time of great promise and great challenge. i speak to you on behalf of 350 million americans with a message of friendship and partnership.
i'm here to advance peace, to promote security, and to work with you to achieve a truly free and open indo pacific where we are proud and we have sovereign nations, and we thrive, and everybody wants to prosper. this year we mark 40 years of friendship and cooperation between the united states and this organization. it's a long time. i also want to congratulate asean on 50 years of promoting peace and prosperity and stability in southeast asia and in the broader indo-pacific region. rodrigo, i would like to commend you on your success as asean chair at this very critical moment in time, and in the association's history, such an important event. and i want to thank you for your incredible hospitality and the show last night, the talent at that show, i assume mostly from
the philippines was fantastic, thank you. and you were fantastic, also very much from the philippines. [ applause ] we couldn't tell the difference. i send the people of the philippines warm greetings from the people of the united states. i also want to thank prime minister najeeb of malaysia for the excellent job you have done as coordinator. and i appreciate it very much. i really appreciate it. you have coordinated so well with us. for five decades, this organization has brought together a vital assembly of nations to build consensus on critical issues facing the region and the world. you have created a forum for all nations with a stake in the indo-pacific to listen, learn, and develop solutions to common challenges through strategic dialogue. the united states remains committed to asean central role
as a regional forum for total cooperation. this diplomatic partnership advances the security and prosperity of the american people and the people of all indo-pacific nations. in recent decades, nations across the regions have built strong society, robust economy, and vibrant communities of citizens. really proud, totally proud always of the heritage and confident in who they are. today we celebrate your incredible success, and we also seek economic partnerships on the basis of fairness and reciproc reciprocality. we have the highest statemeock t
we've had, the lowest unemployment in 17 years. the value of stocks has risen $5.5 trillion. and companies are moving into the united states. a lot of companies are moving. they're moving back. they want to be there. the enthusiasm levels are the highest ever recorded on the charts. so we're very happy than. and we think that bodes very well for your region because of the relationship that we have. we want our partners in the region to be strong, independent, and prosperous, in control of their own destinies, and satellites to no one. these are the principles behind our vision for a free and open indo-pacific. so, again, i wish you all the best of luck. it's an honor to be here. and rodrigo, thank you very much for the way you treated all of us. thank you. >> well, you've been listening to the u.s. president, donald trump, speaking there just moments ago in the philippines capital at an asean summit, a
summit gathering the leaders of southeast asian nations. now several things that mr. trump said that we heard throughout his trip really. first of all, mentioning the indo-pacific region a number of times. that's a word we've heard throughout the trip. of course this part and parcel of the new u.s. strategic vision for that region in opposition to mr. obama's pivot towards asia. mr. trump calling that the indo-pacific region. also heaping praise on his host, the philippines president rodrigo duterte saying, quote, you were fantastic. referring to the welcome ceremony that mr. trump received last night. and another theme that we've heard throughout this trip when mr. trump has been addressing foreign leaders, saying that -- well, heaping praise on himself. saying that the stock market in the u.s. has been doing better than it has in a long, long time. all right. well continue to keep an eye on what's going on in the philippines. but for now, another top story this hour. well continue with coverage of
the earthquake on the iran/iraq border. at least 207 people have been killed after that powerful quake just on the northeastern border of iraq near iran. more than 1700 people were injured and in iraq at least four people have died and dozens were injured as well. the 7.3 magnitude quake was felt throughout the region. let me turn to ivan cabrera who has been following this with us over the last few hours. ivan, what can you tell us? the death toll has increased quite significantly. >> that is not a good sign. it's basically doubled in just a couple of hours here, the occasion of quite an event, no question about it across portions of iran and into iraq as well. but the casualty count has been coming in mainly from iran. we've had now one of the strongest quakes in this region. 7.3 is a major quake. any time you get a quake over 7.0. that only happens 15 times during the entire year. here we have one of them. it has been quite a deadly one.
the depth we also look at. a deep earthquake usually doesn't cause as much damage. this was a shallow one, 23 kilometers or 14 miles below the surface here. as far as the earthquake history across the region, no stranger to earthquakes. we have basically no more than -- no less than four tectonic plates right interacting with each other. we have a lot of seismic activity throughout the year. back in '67 we had 56.1. the horrific 7.4 in 1990 and the current event we're talking about at 7.3. as far as what we expect and what people felt with this quake, 19 million feeling weak. upwards of 19 million felt the quake. where it gets dangerous is once you get into the very strong and severe. that's the shaking that can bring down buildings. it's all relative really. as far as what we expect, after shocks, this is the important factor here. it always is over tnext few day
and weeks. expect 4 and 5. numerous of those. the strongest throughout the night which has been a 5.3, also very shallow. and that in and of itself is basically a small earthquake which can cause additional and pretty significant damage. the progression, though, is for the freaksly and intensity to lessen. by the time we get into next monday, things continue to decrease as far as the intensity. the forecast is important. nothing doing here as anything moves through. pretty quiet weather. so recovery efforts will be ongoing with fair weather. that's important. temperatures in the upper 20s there is going to be a lot of search-and-rescue missions here. so folks are going to be perhaps even trapped in structures there, and the weather is going to play a role. i don't think it will be cold enough to be dangerous. the highs in the 20s and not much in the way of rainfall. we'll keep you posted on the earthquakes, the additional after shore, expecting those to continue throughout the day. >> definitely have to keep an eye on the aftershocks. ivan, thank you very much for your work here. we'll have to get you back this table in the coming hours. thanks a lot.
let me turn to jerusalem man-- jumane. >> this was a really powerful earthquake. it was felt throughout this region including lebanon, kuwait, israel. even in pakistan. as you mentioned earlier, cyril, this was focused on iran-iraq border. when it comes to iran the hardest hit is the western province. that's where we're hearing from iranian authorities that more than 200 people have been killed. and we're seeing that death toll rising hour after hour. and more than 1700 people have been injured. and as you can imagine, when it comes to the search-and-rescue operations, this happened late in the evening, making it very difficult to assess the damage, assess casualty figures. so now that we are in the daytime hours, we are seeing
these casualty figures rising. when it comes to iraq, cyril, we still don't have clarity on damage, on casualty figures. the latest we had heard from authorities there that it was several people killed. dozens wounded. it was mainly concentrated in the kurdistan region of iraq. it seems that the city, town to the east this was the hardest hit. some fatalities also reported in eastern province of diala. and of course the concern here when it comes to. >> cyril, is that these are rural areas where these houses there are built of mud bricks. and they really cannot withstand powerful earthquakes like this. >> jomana from iran. thank you. i want to go back to the other top story that we're following. we opened this show with remarks from the united states president, donald trump, who was
speaking at an asean summit. that's in the philippines, where he is being hosted with leaders of the southeastern asian region. matt rivers is covering that from manila. matt, what was your takeaway when you listened to what the u.s. president had to say? >> well, what we saw with the u.s. president said, talking from very scripted remarks. he wasn't really off the cuff, definitely talking in a way that generally has a lot of people breathing a sigh of relief in the sense he does stick to prepared remarks and moderating his tone in a way that we've seen him do throughout this asia trip. with know he talked about a gathering in a great time of purpose and great challenging. he raised rodrigo duterte, the president of the philippines for his success as the chair of the asean summit. and then he talked about how good the u.s. economy is doing right now. something we've seen him talk about a lot. and he also talked about seeking
economic partnerships based on fairest and reciprocality. the big question, we do know human rights and the alleged human rights abuses committed by the duterte administration, his ongoing war against drugs, was brought up very briefly according to the white house in the context of the philippines' fight against illegal drugs. not a very expanded from the white house. we might hear a little bit more about it as the day goes on. but clearly it wasn't talked about at great length. for more on that i would like to bring in maria ressa, one of the well-known philippine institutions. what is your take away from the fact it doesn't appear there was a long conversation about human rights between these two men? >> we expected it. what's interesting is the philippines spokesman actually said that president trump did not bring it up. that it was president duterte
himself who brought it up. and in that context, that president trump just nodded and seemed supportive of it. what we know for sure is that these two men like each other. we've seen this in the videos and the photos of them in the last day and a half. and they share many things in common, including the fact that they're both maverick styles of leaders. they often leave the institutions behind, and they both share a passion for dealing with drugs. >> how will that be viewed by the filipino public in terms of not having a very long conversation about human rights, at least if there what we can tell so far. generally speaking, do people here care about it? >> the philippines always has. but keep in mind president duterte is an extremely popular president. one of the surveys pointed out he is the most popular of our last three presidents. he holds from 72 to 80% approval ratings. i think it goes to a question of values. the fact that the united states
did not bring it up. again, former president barack obama expected the former u.s. ambassador, that was expected. but i think what you're seeing is not just in the philippines, but globally there is this kind of turn that is more personality driven. and so the questions many filipinos have here is what are the values that will guide both the united states and the philippines? having said that, president duterte has also been extremely important in a pivot of the philippines from the united states to china and russia. that's something president duterte himself brought up. and that has changed the geopolitical power balance around the south china sea, what we call the west philippine sea, and around the region. so a lot of eyes are on this. and again, you go back to what are the values that are going to guide this. >> does the fact that at least so far the president of the united states has not really been critical of the president of the philippines, does rodrigo duterte take that as a sign he should keep on keeping on so to
speak, continue to do what he has been doing over the last year? >> i think what you've seen is a man, rodrigo duterte, nothing stops him from what he sees as his mission, his vision. this is a man who came to office and was elected with very clear ideas of what he wanted to do. and he has done it with or without the institutions in the philippines. >> i want to touch a little bit what you said about pivoting away from the united states. under the obama administration, president duterte even went so far to question the military alliance. these are treaty allies between the united states and the philippines. so clearly there was pivot towards russia, towards china, away from the united states. under the trump administration, i know that we heard general h.r. mcmaster, the national security adviser talk about a pirouette, completing the circle so to speak. do you think the philippines is eyeing the united states more or still more pro-china or pro-russia? >> i think what you saw before president trump took office was a united states that was in a
place it had never been in the philippines. at one point, filipinos liked the u.s. government more than the americans did. but now with this personal relationship between the two men, i think the u.s. in terms of policy making, in terms of defense now stands a chance against china and russia. because what you're seeing, you're seeing this the leaders of both china and russia here now, right? you're seeing a tussle for who can provide the most. and in that way, you go back to trump unashamedly saying we're america first. and in a way, these leaders are saying we want our countries first, but we can take you along with us, maybe. >> fascinating times. thank you for your insight. we'll hope to keep you around and continue to get some of that insight. thank you so much for joining us. and so cyril, clearly ea very interesting meeting between these two men. human rights perhaps not talked about as much as human rights advocates around the world would
have liked them to. but it's not over yet. we do expect to hear more from the president of both countries throughout the day today. so when we hear from them, we'll certainly bring it to our viewers, absolutely. it's not over yet, matt. we'll have more questions next hour. do stand by. thank you very much. matt rivers live from manila in the philippines. next up on "cnn newsroom," they ran freely in the beirut marathon, but saad al hariri was conspicuously absent. we'll have more. stay with us. subscription cover. ...when you get a family plan with two or more lines. really? that's incredible. so go ahead and watch however you want. you're messing with me, right? all at no extra charge. this is awesome! another reason why t-mobile is america's best unlimited network. mic drop.
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against another party. i am not against hezbollah in the sense that it is a political party a, which is what it should be. but that doesn't mean that hezbollah should ruin lebanon. >> hariri also said he is free to leave saudi arabia, and that saudi king salman sees him as a son. but by staying in riyadh, he missed one of his favorite events in beirut this weekend. ben wedeman has this story. >> go! go! >> and they're off. runners in the 15th beirut marathon. in a country where divisions have led to war, this is a race about unity. joining athletes professional and amateur, young and old, the able and the disabled and others.
a record number of people are participating in this year's beirut marathon. however, one person who participated in the past is conspicuously absent, and that's runner number 3. that's saad al hariri, who resigned suddenly as prime minister from saudi arabia more than a week ago. sunday evening hariri spoke up on lebanese television for the first time in eight days, explaining his resignation was intended as a wake-up call for the people of lebanon to the dangers facing them from iran and others. and he promised to return soon. there were plenty of reminders of the 47-year-old leader left out of the running. may halil organized the first marathon in 2003. >> the prime minister has been a great supporter to the beirut marathon.
a sportsman himself, young, very dynamic. and not having him here today definitely we all feel very sad. >> reporter: his absence from the race and from politics has left a gaping void and sparked intense concern lebanon could be sucked into a proxy war between saudi arabia and iran. the lebanese have long been accustomed to outside involvement in their internal affairs. but that doesn't make it any more acceptable. hariri's fate is unknown, and that makes us angry, says veteran runner katya rashad. we completely reject any interference in our country. says another runner, the anti-lebanese and the lebanese are all brothers regardless of their sect. and that's our goal, to united. ♪ i want to break free >> reporter: after the race, the united for street party,
overseen by santa claus, dancing to a song close to the hearts of a people weary of outside interference. ♪ i've got to break free >> reporter: ben wedeman, cnn, beirut. u.s. president trump rarely pulled his punches, and he had some choice words for former u.s. intelligence chiefs. now they've hit back. we'll explain after the break.
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after a powerful earthquake on the border between iraq and iran. iranian officials say at least 207 people have been killed there, with more than 1700 injured. and on the iraqi side of the border, at least four people were killed. shots were also felt in pakistan, lebanon, kuwait, and soccer. u.s. president donald trump is taking part in the asean summit with southeast asian leaders in the philippines. he met one oabout one earlier with his host, philippine president rodrigo duterte. they did not respond to reporters' questions about whether they would discuss human rights, although the white house said the issue did come up briefly in their conversation. once again denying allegations of sexual misconduct from almost 40 years ago. roy moore is accused of pursuing relationships with teenaged girls, and one girl claims he made sexual contact with her when she was 14 years old. moore called these accusations a desperate attempt to stop his campaign.
two u.s. intelligence chiefs tell cnn that president trump is downplaying the threat posed by russia's election meddling, and that's dangerous. after mr. trump met with russian president vladimir putin, he told reporters that he believes russia was not responsible. the president stopped short of saying russia didded me until the election, saying only he is with his intelligence agencies. he had said earlier formal officials who overstate the russian effect are, quote, political hacks. two have respond. >> first of all he was responding to us as political hacks because he was trying to delegitimize. jim clapper and james comey did not write that assessment. it was written by law enforcement officers of this great country. secondly, i feel very honored to be associated with jim clapper and james comey in the same category. considering the source of the criticism, i consider that criticism a badge of honor. and third, i found it
particularly reprehensible that on veterans day that donald trump would attack and impugn the integrity and of jim clapper who served in uniform for 35 years, who responded to the call of his country to go to vietnam, flew in over 70 combat support missions over vietnam. and like senator mccain, really did put his life at risk because of this country's national kurt. and to impugn the character of somebody like jim clapper on veterans day who has dedicated so much of his life to this country, i find that outrageous, and it's something that i think mr. trump should be ashamed of. but it doesn't seem as though anything he does he feels any shame whatsoever. >> putin is committed to undermining our system, our democracy, and our whole process. and to try to paint it in any other way is i think astounding and in fact pose as peril to this country. i have to reciprocate what an
honor it has been to serve with the likes of john brennan and jim comey who are dedicated public servants and have served this country long and well and with great integrity. i think it cannot have a positive impact on the morale of the workforce intelligence community. but i do believe in my heart that the men and women of the intelligence community will continue to convey truth to power, even if the power ignores the truth. >> joining us now is cnn political commentator and conservative radio host ben ferguson from dallas, texas, and from new york, columnist from metro papers, ellis hennequin. gentlemen, glad to have you both with us. >> good to be here. >> is this the talk of political hacks? we just heard mr. brennan, mr. clapper. that the talk of political hacks? >> no. it's something who loves his country who is a peril to. listen, this is absurd. this work was done by the
professionals there. there is no credible argument on the other side of it. i think donald trump may be the last person in america who seems to have a real tough time getting it through his head that the russians indeed tried to influence our election in 2016, and they as far as trump is concerned may never pay a price for it. >> we've been down this road before. >> clapper and brennan have a right to their opinion, but they also have a right to be criticized. it's very clear that both these individuals have an extreme and probably the most disdain for donald trump of any political individual in this country. because it -- >> they're not pundits. they're former u.s. intelligence chiefs. >> and now they currently are pundits. let's be clear. they're not in the intelligence community anymore. they are being paid for their opinion as a pundit now. and they're clearly wanting to settle the score with donald trump. they don't like the fact that donald trump questioned the
intelligence community and some of their friends. and they took offense to that. lack, you should be able to criticize those in the intelligence community. and guess what? when you retire, or you're forced out, these two individuals have a right to their opinion. but i also don't think the intelligence community should always get a pass. >> is donald trump giving russia a pass? >> no, i don't think he has given them a pass at all. i think what he is saying is he is the president of the united states of america. he is going to look at issues whether it be china or whether it be north korea that maybe we can find some common ground on and see if we can have a consensus on, while also not necessarily trusting hmm on everything else. it's also the same policy that barack obama and george bush both had. >> ellis, same question to you. is donald trump giving both russia and putin a pass? >> so far. he doesn't seem to be able to condemn him in any straight way. 24 hours ago he was saying how sincere he sounds and he is sure he believes he didn't do anything bad at all.
and when pressed on it, we got a lukewarm well, maybe i sort of believe the guys who i have in the intel community. this is not a president who is ready to say anything condemning of vladimir putin ever on any topic. and i'm still waiting. >> let's listen to that what you're referring to. when donald trump was asked to stay unequivocally whether putin had meddled in the u.s. election, this is what he said. >> i believe he feels that he and russia did noted me until the election. as to whether i believe it or not, i'm with our agencies especially as currently cuted with their leadership. i believe in our intel agencies, our intelligence agencies. i've worked with them very strongly. there weren't 17 as were previously reported. there were actually four. but they were saying there were 17. there are actually four. but as currently led by fine people, i believe very much in our intelligence agencies.
>> all right. so for a politician who can be so crystal clear in his statements and in his views, this one is muddled at best. ellis, what is this one so confusing? >> because he doesn't believe it. for whatever reason we still don't know the motivation. well don't know what putin holds over him. we don't know what secret thoughts are in his head. but he does not believe it. so he can't say. >> ben? >> look, he said he believed what the intelligence agency said. the intelligence agencies have pretty clearly said they believe there was meddling in the last election. they tried to meddle. they also said they tried to meddle in virtually every election we've had since the cold war. >> ben, hold on. just a second. he said that he believed indeed what the u.s. intelligence agency said. he also said he believes vladimir putin is sincere when he denies meddling. the only way those two statements can be clear if there was large scale meddling of the
u.s. election going on in russia unbeknownst to vladimir putin. is that something that seems likely to you? >> look, i think you have a president of the united states of america who has said he believes that his agency, and i also think he wants to move forward on multiple issues, including north korea and other issues that are very near and dear to the u.s. heart when it comes to lat have iy, lithuania, estonia and other areas. i don't understand why people are so obsessed with him talking directly about vladimir putin when clearly there are other issues out there. you know for a fact russia doesn't like america. i don't know they meddled in the election. >> ben, why can't you answer my question? there are two parts of the president's statement that don't seem to connect. >> i think the statement he made about him talking about the intelligence and they believe what they say is what the president believes. also that something is something that russia is a part of and deals with constantly on a regular basis. >> so that meddling went on in russia and vladimir putin knew
nothing about it? >> that's not what he said. and that's not what i said either. >> that's the only possible inference. >> the inference is the way you want it to be. >> no, no, no. ben -- >> i think that russia constantly is meddling in not just our election, but every other election where they think it could have interest to them. i also think that i doubt it's on the front desk every single day of vladimir putin. he is doing a lot of other shady things in his own country and other countries and other places. when the president says he believes the intelligence community, and the intelligence community clearly says they believe that russia meddled in our election, i think at this point it's time to say that's what he believes and moves on. >> i get that. there are two statements juxtaposed here. and my point to you, ben, and ellis, i'll give you a chance to answer this is that they don't square unless you're saying that vladimir putin was unaware that there was large scale meddling in a foreign country's election, which seems implausible. >> i do think there is a little
bit. here is my point about this. i think there is a little bit of hypocrisy here. if you go back and look at the lack of criticism when you were trying to somehow trying to normalize relations, and i'll give you a great example with barack obama with cuba. people didn't have him be forced into attacking castro while they were trying to help build relationships and open up some sort of diplomatic relations with cuba. clearly he knows that the cuban people are being punished by their leader. clearly they know the castro family and regime is a terrible regime. you can do two things at the same time, and it makes sense for the interest of the united states of america. that's exactly what the president is trying the do right now. i didn't see anybody out there criticizing barack obama for not going hard enough at the castros and what they had done in the past when he was trying to normalize his relations. i think what you're you're trying to see from dump is he is trying to be diplomatic here. do you want to keep having a verbal war with the russians when there is a north korea nuclear power that i don't might
have to have consensus on and issues like china? those are issues where you doed doh need to have some sort of a conversation and some sort of dialogue with russia. when he said i believe and back the u.s. and what we have said in our intelligence community, i'm not going to get into a war of words with vladimir putin. obama did it with castro family and the regime when he was trying to -- in cuba. >> ellis, real quick, last word. >> i can probably do it a little quicker. i'm not going to go down the rabbit hole in cuba. but clearly this is a president who is unable to do that. of course he wants to move on. this is very uncomfortable for him. there is a serious investigation, several of them in fact that are closing in on him. he would like us to talk about anything but this. but he still can't say anything bad about vladimir putin. >> gentlemen, ben ferguson, ellis henican, thank you both for joining us. >> good seeing you. thanks.
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myanmar leader aung san suu kyi is currently in the philippines for the asean summit. but the crisis in her country probably will not be a topic of conversation. more than 600,000 rohingya muslims, more than half a million people have fled violence in myanmar since august. the u.n. has called this textbook ethnic cleansing. yet the draft statement for the summit makes no mention of this exodus. and suu kyi herself did not mention it in her speech. despite global pressure to do something about this humanitarian crisis. let's talk to jeffrey gettleman who joins us from new delhi, india. when you last spoke to cnn, you
gave an absolutely harrowing account of the persecution of rohingya muslims. i would encourage everybody to go read that in "the new york times" archives. this is diagnose bun by aung san suu kyi's government. is she going to face any criticism for this? >> she has faced enormous criticism. i was just hearing today that she had visited oxford university a few years ago, and they have decided to take her name off of several places on campus because they're so disgusted with her inaction on this issue. she was celebrated as this peace activist. she was heralded the world over for taking a stand against this harsh military regime. and now that she is in power, that same military regime is massacring people. i myself -- >> jeffrey, i meant is she going to face criticism from her are neighbors, from the regional leaders? >> you know, from what i'm gathering, the region has not been that organized on this issue.
there really has not been a strong voice supporting the rohingya people in that entire area. and there is not a lot of hope that the asean nations are going to come together and solve this crisis. >> back when aung san suu kyi was fighting for democracy in her country, and when she was under house arrest, she blamed asean countries for saying nothing. and there is a rule of political noninterference in neighboring countries' political affairs. today she is benefitting from the same silence. >> she is in a really awkward position, obviously. because she probably does not support the widespread massacre of civilians like we've been hearing in this area. but at the same time, the military remain versus powerful in myanmar. her position is fragile. and it's not clear whether her heart is on this issue. because these people have suffered so much. as you said, 600,000 have fled with almost nothing. they're continuing to come.
just last night there was hundreds that came across this body of water on these makeshift rafts, risking their lives. and we're just not hearing any sense of outrage or deep concern by the leader of this country where this is hang. >> and i think what's different to understand for the international community is that aung san suu kyi was long seen as a democracy icon. i know she herself does not like this word icon, but she is a nobel peace prize winner. for years she was under house arrest. and she is one of those world figures that stood up for democracy. and yet she seems to be condoning this. so what are we missing? is it just the price for her to pay to stay in power? >> you know, i frankly don't know. but there is the a very complicated issue here with the rohingya. the people and many people, vast majority of people in myanmar do not believe the rohingya are true citizens of their country. and they have been persecuted and demonized for decades.
they've been called insects and snakes and vermin. and many people across the country have no sympathy for them. and so what we're seeing in her position is a transmission of how wider myanmar society feels there has even been denials, that these people are making this up, they burned down their own villages which is beyond believable. so it's a deeper problem within myanmar. and i think it's -- sadly, these people don't have anywhere to go. and i don't think there is going to be a solution any time soon. >> yeah, and as you speak, we're seeing pictures. what it look likes when these people leave their country and cross over into neighboring bangladesh. in fact, tell us than. what is bangladesh, if anything doing about them? because they've become bangladesh's responsibility now. >> so bangladesh is saying they are not, you know, from bangladesh. they need to go back to myanmar. myanmar is saying, no they're not from myanmar.
they need to go back to bangladesh there is few people in the world, few ethnic groups that are truly stateless. and that's what we're seeing with the rohingya. nobody wants to claim them. their very origins are in dispute. so they're coming in to bangladesh by the hundreds of thousands. bangladesh's ambivalence is translating in that they don't want to put in water towers. they don't want schools to be built to accommodate the children because they don't want them staying there forever. while they're in this limbo, the services they get and the life they're going to lead is going to be pretty desperate and uncomfortable. and they don't want to go back to myanmar. because that's -- as you said in the introduction, this was an ethnic cleansing campaign to get rid of these people, to wipe the landscape clean. so why do they want to ga go become to that country that just did that to them? >> yeah. jeffrey gettleman, thank you very much for coming on the show. and also thank you for your
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