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john berman here in for anderson. new sexual misconduct alleges against a candidate for senate roy moore then new revelations about a sitting senator, al franken, a new groping accusation, the seventh against one former president. people reassessing their views of another, bill clinton. finally, there is the current president, himself accused of misconduct by numerous women and on the record bragging that he could get away with it. he is now doing what he almost never does saying well, nothing. he is not talking, not tweeting, even though he is known to tweet at all hours about anything and everything. the new silence in and of itself a screaming statement. more on that shortly. all of this, of course, part of a growing picture of men in power behaving badly. and the increasing number of women and men confronting them about it. in a moment tonight, senator al franken. first, alabama u.s. senate candidate roy moore. a day after the "washington
post" reported the stories of two new accusers, members of the alabama republican party said they will stand behind him. and late today he was defiant. >> as you know, the "washington post" has brought some skurlous, false charges, not charges, allegations which i have emphatically denied time and time again. they're not only untrue, but they have no evidence to support them. there's been comments about me taking a stand. yes, i have taken april stand in the past. i'll take a stand in the future. and i'll quit standing when they lay me in that box and put me in the ground. >> now, you could believe or disbelieve hiss accusers, of which there are now eight. you can agree or disagree with his politics. you can question where he stands, bt you cannot doubt where he stands. now, can you doubt where a growing number of congressional republicans now stand? they want him out. they're no longer saying if he did it. they're now saying they believe his accusers.
in addition, roy moore is now slipping in the polls, running 8 points behind his democratic opponent in a poll out just tonight. and on top of all that president trump you'll recall initially endorsed his primary opponent. just in cold political terms the downside to cutting roy moore loose would seem to be shrinking and yet after days and days of silence, all the president had to offer today was more silence. he sent press secretary sarah huckabee sanders out to sell this. >> does the president believe roadway moore's accusers and does he think roy moore should drop out of this race? >> look, the president believes that these allegations are very troubling and should be taken seriously, and he thinks that the people of alabama should make the decision on who their next senator should be. >> so that's a no, he thinks roy moore should stay in? >> look, the president said in his statement earlier this week that if the allegations are true, then that roy moore should step aside. he still firmly believes that.
>> how would the president like to see that proven? >> look, i'm not going to get into and litigate back and forth, but the president has been clear that if any of these allegations are true, allegations that he takes very seriously, finds very trouble, if those do happen to be true, then he should do the right thing and step aside. >> does the president believe that accusations themselves, that is to say the women themselves and their own credibility can be established outside of them making these allegations? what's the mechanism by which the president would be satisfied that the allegations are true? >> look, i don't think the president has laid out what the mechanisms are. that should be determined possibly by a court of law, but that's also something and a decision that the people of alabama need to make, not the president, whether or not they want roy moore to support them in the senate. >> so even a week after the first accusers came forward and so many more followed, there is no change from the white house. sarah huckabee sanders merely punting it to alabama voters and referring back to the
president's statement. this like most americans the president believes we cannot allow a mere allegation, in this case one from many years ago, to destroy a person's life. however, the president also believes that if these allegations are true, judge moore will do the right thing and step aside. well, judge moore is clearly not stepping anywhere. still, other republican lawmakers have pulled endorsements. the republican party has pulled financial support. the president's daughter says she seize no reason to doubt the accusers, but her father will not go beyond his first and only statement on the subject. he will not say whether he thinks roy moore should be a senator. now, cnn has already reported on one reason why not. a republican source tells our jeff zblel any yesterday he's worried about the conversation moving to his pasta could you sayers. this source noting that the president still believes and again, this is the source talking that his accusers were up fair and some of moore's may be too. all right. 360 is in birmingham, alabama
tonight. gary, since this whole story broke roy moore has done plenty of talking but has yet to answer questions from the press. did that change today? >> well, john, we thought he was going to take questions from reporters. a news conference actually began here in birmingham following a rally that was held here attended by faith leaders from throughout the state of alabama and throughout the country speaking about how much they love judge roy moore and defending him from the amgsz and something that judge roy moore did forth himself. i asked about it but instead of roy moore answering, the woman who organized the rally took the wheel and here is what happened. >> the major issue here is, judge, did you touch any of these women who accused you of touching you. this is a room of faith. >> he's already answered that question. >> answer that yes. >> he's already answered that question. >> have you ever touched any of them, sir let him speak. he's running for senate, ma'am. >> he has spoken repeatedly. in fact, i heard him answer that
question. >> he can answer the question. >> take his microphone. and what i want to say is he's answered that question repeatedly. >> he hasn't answered the question. >> and it was answered sufficiently as was on sean hannity. >> answer the question, yes or no. >> next question, sir. >> has judge roy moore cat gorkty denied. >> you read his letter and it addresses that very clearly. >> can he speak for himself, please? let him speak, please. >> i paid for the microphone. i'm sorry. >> are your accusers lying? >> do you have a question about an issue? >> that's the question right now. >> roy moore and his wife then left the room. he never uttered a single word at the news conference. >> never uttered a single word. really looks like he has no intention of ever really responding to questions. >> it seemed predestined today because when i asked the question the woman organized the rally never even looked at him to ask him if he wanted to
answer my question and he never walked towards the podium. so it does seem like he communicated before this event began that he wouldn't take any questions on this topic. if i asked him about other issues that pertained to this campaign, mitch mcconnell, for example, i think he probably would have taken a question. but one thing i do want to tell you, after this ended there was a lot of anger in the room but most of the people were very kind and considerate towards reporters afterwards. one woman yelling at us saying you are fake lying news from the swamp. >> all right. gary tuck man for us in birmingham, alabama. thanks so much. want to bring in the panel. one thing that is not fake tonight, gloria, this new poll from alabama which shows roy moore trailing by 8 points, which is a lot for a republican to be trailing anyone by in alabama. and this is exactly what some republicans feared. >> right. and he's also -- i mean, it's clearly because of women. there's a 17-point gender gap in this poll. women are deserting roy moore, and that's a problem.
republicans are worried that he is going to lose, although some republicans i talked to were actually afraid he's going to win because they don't want him in the senate because then they have a whole host of problems they'd have to deal with. they'd rather have another republican in the senate, but they can't quite figure out at this point how to get there because the president, as you were talking about earlier, the president has not told him to step aside. and he might be the only one he would listen to. >> he has definitively not told him to step aside. very important. scott jennings, 8 points, exactly what some republicans were fearing. by that i mean you. this is something that you have been predicting would happen. you have said is happening on the ground there. can it last, though, until election day, one month from now? >> it can last because we have no reason to believe that there isn't going to be more allegations every day, every two days for the rest of this election. in fact, i'd be stunned if we don't have more stories, more
interviews with more accusers. polling can be volatile in the middle of a news bomb and that's what we're in the middle of right now. so i'm not surprised to see this wide margin. how you gt out of that, of course, is to get some separation from the event. for more his problems with two. number one, the event may keep happening. and number two, let's not forget campaign mechanics. he's being out spent on television 11 to one by his democratic opponent. that was causing him to slide even before this started happening. this is a to go-occupy seat right now and i can't believe it but we're talking about a democrat going to the senate from the reddest state in america. >> they want him to come out and say enough, roy moore, get out. yet he won't. he won't do it. >> and i'm not actually convince that had it matters whether he says it at this point or not. i mean, the alternative for republicans right now is roy moore or an empty void essentially. this same poll indicated that luther strange wouldn't really -- the current acting senator from that state wouldn't
actually do better than roy moore. he might lose to roy moore in a head to head match up. or they might just split the vote and create a scenario that makes it easier for the democrat to win. this there's another dynamic that i think is worth pointing out. it's interesting that the same number of alabama voters believe the allegations against roy moore and the same numbers disbelieve the allegations against roy moore. it's all together about two-thirds of the voters. the rest don't really know. but what that tells me is some people who even -- if they don't believe the allegations, they're still not comfortable voting for him. maybe because they just don't like the ooet oesz of the race of the they don't like what it says about alabama. maybe they just are not comfortable with the fact that they exist. so that should be a red flag for roy moore who spent a lot of time talking about why these allegations are false. it may not matter one way or another. >> ed -- >> i've been trying to be good. listen, i made two observations. number one is we heard the same
thing about polling and scott makes a good point in a storm, in an other than you have a certain amount of volatility of the i would just tell you donald trump was going to lose the election by double digits all over the place on droelg and one thing that drum beat did to him after billy bush was made it so you weren't going to say that you voted for trump in missouri. he was going to win by 41-19. he did send a message. everyone was waiting to hear what the president said. sarah huckabee sanders said very clear the people of alabama will decide this, which is the same thing al franken asked. don't make me resign today. let me go to the ethics committee in a few months and work this out. i think the people of alabama heard that message. i think when roy moore says i'm going to sue the "washington post" which he said and my sources with him said they're preparing that, i think the people there are saying okay, it's us vers them. and i think in alabama they come home on abortion, immigration, on a lot of issues to somebody
who is conservative sbloo and the swamp. another thing this poll shows is that 6 in 10 of these voters say they disapprove of the way mitch mcconnell is handling his job. and that's his campaign. >> scott. >> i think ed makes a good point about voters coming back to the republicans. i still think roy moore could win this race. i don't doubt that. i would just say that i'm pretty sure if roy moore loses the popular vote in this election in alabama, there will not be an electoral college to save him. so he's got to not just get to 45 or 46, he's got to -- >> there's a moment here where mitch mcconnell is going to have to look at all these guys and look at the numbers and say wait a second, we have a vote for judges and on these major issues that roy moore is good on -- >> these guys all say they have a position -- >> two things. one on judges, bad on mow listing a 14-year-old. >> come on, john, please. >> i'm not saying -- i'm saying for these senators looking at it -- no. i'm saying they're looking at
it, some of them including republican senators saying they believe the accusers. >> al franken admitted today he sexually assaulted a woman who was out of it. so you're saying that a woman says something and we're supposed to say roy moore is -- i'm going to go with the president who said this, right. everybody is saying this. i have no reason to doubt those accusers. i also have no reason to doubt roy moore so before you say he molested -- >> i just want to throw up on the screen right now all the senators right now, incompetent we have a list. these are the u.s. senators calling for moore to withdraw. in many of these senators, including republican senators, republican male senators say they believe -- these are all republicans. they mooef the accusers. i'm just saying that they believe what the accusers are saying, including this woman who says when she was 14 she was sexually molested. there's that. i also want to can you ask you, ed, the question you say the president answered isn't necessarily the biggest question. do you think roy moore should be
senator from alabama? do you want roy moore to be the next senator from alabama is this. >> are you asking me or the president. >> but i think you saying -- he hasn't answered or commented on this. shgs came out and she delivered an answer. the an was the people will decide. and by the way, i think that's fair. i'm not saying alfranken -- the woman that's accused him, i don't think she should be believed over al franken either until we see what happens. and if roy moore won't go into court and sue the "washington post" like he said he would so these women get their day in court, then shame on him. >> there's no court before election day, i will say that. people are going to have to look at it and decide as all these republican senators have and people are just asking the president for his true view. we're going to talk a lot more about al franken coming up. it's going to be about how the senator is apologizing after a woman came forward with her story of how he forgsibleel kissed and groped her while on a
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because we're doing this to entertain the troops. and so he comes in and it all happened so fast. he comes in and, you know, at the last second we're coming in and he just -- he puts his hand on the back of my neck and he comes in so fast and he just sort of -- it's like that, you know, there was no finesse to it at all, let's put it that way. and he just mashz his mouth to my lips. and, you know, it was like wet and he puts his tongue in my mouth. and, you know, my reaction, it was just sort of a -- you know, i push his chest away with my hands, and i'm like if you ever do that to me again -- i was so angry. i was in disbelief really. and i just sort of -- you know, to this day i talk about it and my hand clenchz into a fist because i think my initial reaction is that i wanted to hit him. that's what i feel. and i still feel that to this day, i think. and, you know, i just looked at him and said don't you ever do that to me again because i won't
be so nice about it the next time. i was nervous to come out about it. this doesn't make me feel good. i still have a knot in my stomach. you know, this isn't some like oh, yeah, i'm going to do it and i feel great about it. you know, you always -- i don't want to be cliche, but, you know, you talk about trying to leave the world a better place for your kids, you know? sorry. >> senator franken put out a lengthy statement apologizing to tweed en, to every one who was part of the tour, everyone who has worked for him and everyone he represents. the statement reads in part, quote, over the last few months, all of us, including men who respect women have been forced to take a good hard look at our own actions and think perhaps shamefulel for the first time about how those actions have affected women. for instance, that picture. i don't know what was in my head when i took that picture and it doesn't matter. there's no excuse. i look at it now and i feel
disgusted with myself. it isn't funny. it's completely inappropriate. franken says he's asking for an ethics investigation, and he will gladly cooperate. back now with our panel and joining the conversation by carry sellers. gloria, did al franken do enough? >> well, i think his -- he's going to go before the ethics committee and it remains to be seen. you know, he issued april first statement, which was really per funk to her, i have to say. it was sort of like i don't remember the rehearsal and i shont have taken the picture and i shouldn't have done it and it wasn't funny. and that was just nothing. and then clearly somebody got to him or he talked to his staff or other senators who were clearly starting to say how outraged they were by it and then he wrote the second statement, which he read from. and she was gracious enough today to say she wasn't asking for him to leave the senate. she accepted his apology, and
she didn't want anything in return other than to make this a better place, as she said to jake. and so is it enough? i think the senate is going to have to be the judge of that. i think the people of his state are going to have to be the judge of that. and the country will judge. but he got better as the day went on. >> it's interesting, democrats, they could have asked for more. i will talk about the ethics committee issue in just a moment. but no one jumped to his defense. there is not a single democratic senator who jumped to his defense including some who are starting to return campaign donations. they're clearly trying to create some distance. >> i think they recognize they're in a perilous moment. everybody can get caught up in this stormel and if they don't acted quickly, they can be quickly labeled a hip credit. i think they have for many many years not had to fully answer for, for example, bill clinton
and the accusations against him. i think they recognize that times have changed. the environment in which democrats are operating in is different. they are right to act quickly. however, you know, this ethics investigation thing is -- it's unclear what that even is. what is it that appear ethics committee can do to rep manned al franken for these he does two years before he became a u.s. senator, that he admits to doing. >> that's the point. i'm confused what the ethics investigation will be. and this is a point that ed made before and i know will make again, which is that if you're judging roy moore, sale i've seen enough to know i don't want him to be a senator. why have the et six investigation? why shouldn't these senators say i've seen enough to know that al franken behaved poorly and shouldn't be a u.s. senator. >> i think we all know that the ethics committee is a place where complaints go to die.
i don't think they've actually sanctioned a united states senator in ten years, if i'm blts of not mistakes. i think al franken should resienl. he committed a sexual assault. that's an unwanted touching to someone who is asleep. i don't think roy moore should be a united states senator. and i don't think donald trump should be president of the united states. i think that there is a direct correlation between all of them. the problem that people have is we're so hyper partisan in the united states that people think that sexual assault and sexual harassment are partisan issues. they'rement. and we need to cleanup on our on our side and republicans need to cleanup the house on their side. people want to say what about roy moore or donald trump. we need to focus on cleaning up our own houses. and to be quite spec, i think that we're having a conversation about sexual harassment and
sexual assault on both sides. but then have to do a better job and hold themselves to a higher standardment correct me if i'm wrong if you're a democrat or republican. so roy moore needs to come. al franken needs to resign. >> that's a big statement. i want to be clear here. what you're saying there is a big deal. >> yeah. i want to join in on the one and i'm pleased about how you talked about the whole thing with franken. if what i did happened in federal context, that's sexual assault what frank ep did and there ought to be a prosecute who looks at it. i agree, ethics are going somewhere. the woman will get a chance to speak and franken will have to answer under oath and one of the things identify said about roadway moore, if he's going to sue, if he said i didn't do it, then he should sue the "washington post" and he should let those women be under oath. cnn today did this. let's drain the swamp.
$15 million, 17 million spent in settlements. why is it every single member who had to -- let's hope them tomorrow. >> it's it's a scandal. i think we should know the names of the people. and i think you're right. the ethics committee in a way is kind of an easy way for people to not deal with al franken or anybody else and say oh, that's before the ethics committee. they're going to handle it now. and then maybe it goes to dye there or as you point out -- >> the reinery in the ethics committee, though, it wasn't his idea. the first person who came out with that, mitch mcconnell. >> the theory is -- we'll talk about that. we're diagnose to continue this discussion after a break break and hear how some of the senators' knee mail members are responding. that's up next.
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for a photo where he's groping her as she's sleeping. here is what two senators had to say in response to the news. >> very disappointed. i support an ethics investigation. this kind of conduct should not be tolerated by anyone in any public official. >> should he resign? you know, that's something i think we're going to have to wait to see how it plays out on the ethics investigation, which i support. and i think that should move forward. >> serious allegations. they need to be investigated. >> is it fitting of behavior of a u.s. senator? >> no, it's not fitting behavior for anyone. >> should he resign? >> it needs to be looked into. >> interesting. both the republican and the democrat not saying that he should resign. gloria, the ethics committee, scott jennings suggested that the reason that mitch mcconnell is pushing for the ethics committee for al franken is so if roy moore wins, he can say there is precedent for us to investigate and expel someone for something they did before
they were a u.s. senator. >> i think that's a brilliant analysis. and then democrat or republican could potentially be expelled at the same time, which would also keep the -- if you want to be cynical about it, you could be cynical about it. but it was sort of surprising that immediately mitch mcconnell came out and said ethics committee, ethics committee. and, you know, the wheels turn in mitch mcconnell's head. and, you know, you know that was where it was headed. and clearly if roy moore were to win, he would be in the ethics committee and then they would have to do something and they would have to decide, take it to the floor and decide whether he ought to be expelled. and that would put more pressure on the franken case, obviously. >> all right. something else has happened in the last few minutes as we've been out here talking which is gill i brand had an interview with "the new york times" where she was asked directly about former bill clinton and his behavior, some of which he was pshd for, some of which he paid for literally while he was in
office. other accusations never held to account in some ways. the senator was asked do you think that bill clinton should have resigned and she said yes. she tells "the new york times" tonight yes. in this moment that we are in right now there seems to be a dramatic reassessment of some recent history. >> yeah. i mean, it's the great reckoning of the bill clinton era that democrats have postponed for many, many years. i mean, i think that the 2016 campaign prolonged that -- or i'm sorry, the 2016 campaign prolonged that reckoning even further because of how it became in some ways kind of a side show. remember the debate in which the accusers were brought in and it was just this -- it was -- it became kind of a theet cal, but the accusations are very serious. and i think to bakari's point, there are a lot of men out there who have ne had to come to terms with this, and i think in
reality bill clinton is one of them. he has not had to say how he accounts for these accusations. he's been protect by the democratic party in a lot of ways. i think kbil i brand is of a younger generation of democrats and she recognizes that there are younger voters, particularly women, who will not stand for this anymore. in the 2016 campaign a lot of younger voters that i talked to out on the trail with hillary clinton were deeply uncomfortable, deeply uncomfortable with this issue. and she never was able to get past it. i think going into 20/20 no democrat is going to be able to go out there without having a firm stand on this. >> and i'm sure you would be eager to look into former president clinton's past. there is the issue with president donald trump for whom there were more than a dozen women that came out and made these accusations during a campaign. to what level does he need to be held to account for this.
>> you elect a president not a pastor. donald trump ran and people knew about him, about his life. they knew about his divorces. i don't think he tried to put himself out as someone who was -- >> and al franken too. he was a kmeed yen that said raunchy things. a lot of us were surprised he won election twice. one thing i would say at this moment, is it's very disconcerting to be a public person who runs for office, be out there and even journalists and have people be able to stay something and not have some way to get to the bottom of it. and by that i mean that i think al franken, he said i -- and george h.w. bush has had to say some of these things he did do. but we live in a world where accusation, the speed of it can destroy a person's life the and we need to honor the victims. real victims. but we need to be careful about -- i want to go back and litigate -- >> why is it that roy moore won't answer questions about this. >> i think now he's got a lawyer
because he's suing the "washington post." >> so is donald trump. dot sl suing the "washington post" and all his accuser. one of the things that we're talking about is when we talk about donald trump and we can talk about the reckoning of bill clinton because, you know, you had an impeachment. you had all of these other things but there still are issues and questions that have to be answered. sarah huckabee sanders goes to the well or goes to the podium and simply says all of those acuriousers are lying and moves on. you have people who have credible stories of harassment again the president of the united states, and i think that that is justified in looking into. i think that's -- >> that's been looked into, hasn't it? >> no. >> i think to bakari's point it's important to know that these are not just accusations being thrown out there. in a lot of cases they're corroborating by other people who were either president or who had been told at the time. these are not just people going out there seeing this thing happen to me.
there are other people who are involved. so i think you have to make a distinction between just random talk and the only kind of -- short of going back in time and taking dna tests and taking rape kits, what other evidence would you require? >> i want to thank for this conversation. i want to continue this conversation and i think we will over the coming days and weeks because it's an important one and it's not going away. senator franken's accuser leeann tweed enjoins jake tapper. next more breaking news. jared kushner under scrutiny over the russia investigation over something he did not do. see why when we come back.
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>> well, john, we've learned that special counsel robert mueller has oirnd a subpoena to the trump campaign expanding search terms for documents related to the russia investigation. a source tells my colleague. and the source describes it as a cleanup subpoena to cover more documents beyond what the campaign has already handed over, which were the same documents handed over to congress. the subpoena is so wide-ranging, john, that the source said it could take months to respond to hand overall those documents. but for context here, mueller has issued lots of subpoenas throughout the investigation. so this isn't necessarily unusual or unexpected. however, we're told the white house has not received a similar subpoena. >> all right. and i understand jared kushner has failed to disclose certain documents to the senate judiciary committee. what do we know about that? >> that's right. the jat judiciary committee released a laundry list of documents known to exist but that kushner hasn't provided to the committee's investigators and it's all related to russia and the ongoing congressional investigations. they conclude communications related to michael flynn, the
former national security adviser, including documents about his firing and his registration as a foreign agent. it includes documents about kushner's security clearance of the you'll recall he had to update that clearance form three times to include his meetings with foreign entities, including russians. kushner's people claim it was a clerical error, but clearly investigators want to know more. the committee also asking for an e-mail chain that we know involved donald trump jr. related to his direct messages with wikileaks in which kushner then forwarded it to hope hicks, the committee said kushner also didn't hand over communications with million, a russian businessman who was reportedly believed to be source d in the infamous dossier. the committee says kushner was copied in on some of those e-mails but hasn't turned those over. and they alsoment documents about attempts to establish a back door line of communications to raurnls and a dinner invite surrounding that. in addition the request includes kushner's phone records that seems to have shown up in documents that others have
provided the committee. to all in all the committee says kushner's team has failed to turn these documents over and the latest batch of document production earlier this month. we did receive a statement from kushner's attorney which says in part we provided the judiciary committee with all relevant documents that had to do with mr. kushner's calls, contacts or meetings with russians during the campaign and transition, which was the request. and the statement also says kushner will continue to provide voluntary cooperation. >> all right. stay with us. i want to bring in former counsel to the u.s. assistant attorney general for national security. what do you make of this development? let's start with the mueller team, the sums to the trump campaign. >> well, i think pamela is right. it's not really surprising given the scope of the special counsel's investigation that he would be issuing subpoenas to the campaign. obviously they're requesting documents voluntarily, but also he's going to serve legal process and subpoena is just a basic form of investigation. so i don't think there's anything particularly surprising
about that. >> the time, pamela, according "the wall street journal" a subpoena we want out in mid october. we know that was about ten days after george papadopoulos pled guilty or we learned he pled guilty to the fin and two weeks before charges filed against manafort and gates. anything with regard to the timing? >> it makes you wonder for sure, particularly as it relates to papadopoulos because as we know, he was called a pro active cooperate or according to the government, the court records and so it does make you wonder if perhaps he told investigators anything that made them want to search for more documents that the campaign had. we don't know that for certain, but it does certainly raise a question whether they went back and looked at what they had and thought there's a lot more there, we need to issue a subpoena to get the rest of the documents that we believe we need for this investigation. >> all right. on the kushner story, yet again we see jared kushner forgetting, maybe convenely key contacts or
meetings, forgetting to turn something over. is there a pattern here which should be of note to the special counsel? >> well, again, certainly the special counsel is going to be paying attention, but i suspect the special counsel is sort of a beat of the congressional investigators in terms of the information that they have gathered because of course the special counsel inherited the ongoing fbi investigation. what's interesting about this report is that it certainly shows a sign of life in the senate judiciary committee investigation, because so far it's been the senate intelligence committee that's been really taking the lead on the russia investigation. and so this shows that the senate judiciary committee is still conducting a very serious inquiry. and remember that over the summer jared kushner had issued a statement in july explaining his statement and supposedly all of the contacts that he had had with russian officials or any contacts that might be questionable over the course of the campaign. and in that statement he said that he had no improper
contacts. so if there's new information, any new information coming to light now, the congressional investigators are going to be very interested in that. >> all right. pamela, quickly on robert mueller. we know he interviewed stephen miller who is a speechwriter and key adviser to the president, rens priebus, sincerely. also expected to speak to hope hicks which is very interesting. do you think jared kushner might be on the list is this. >> we do believe that eventually robert mueller's team will want to talk to him because we know, we've reported that his team is interested in kushner because of the fact that he has been at the nexus of so many parts of this investigation, including the firing of james comey. so it is believed that eventually investigators will want to talk to him. >> thanks so much for being with us. when we come back, the trump administration will now allow people to import endangered elephant trophies from two african countries. that decision prompting a swift backlash which we'll get into next. using ai, and respond 60 times faster. it lets you know where your data lives,
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>> once you get exposed to it, you realize it's not this savage thing. >> the new rules from his father would allow more americans to hunt elephants and return home with their trophies, tusks and all. the money from the sport, in theory, helping to protect other elephants. a safari club international puts it, hunting is beneficial to wildlife, and these range countries know how to manage their elephant populations, and it fits neatly into president trump's promise to cut government restrictions. >> we want regulation for environmental. we want regulation for safety. but the regulations are massive. >> this bill was killed a few days ago, even. >> the move stands in stark contrast to obama era efforts to stop elephant poaching by cutting off the world ivory trade. in 2015, a joint deal was struck with china, the biggest ivory market to ban virtually all ivory imports and exports.
in new york, a ton of illegal ivory was crushed. >> the u.s. is the second largest market for ivory in the entire world. >> some elephant hunting was allowed under obama. but outrage over this broad change of plans has been swift. chelsea clinton, infuriating, will increase poaching, make communities vulnerable, and hurt conservation efforts. habitat laws and hunting have had devastating effects. at the start of the 20th century, there were 3 to 5 million african elephants, according to the world wildlife fund. which says only 400,000 remain. >> if you want to generate economic activity in africa, and swau, zimbabwe, tanzania keep the wild life alive. >> the president's plan does not open up all of africa, it expands hunting in zambia and
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the house dealt the trump administration an important legislative win. the republican tax reform bill passed by a comfortable margin there, but the fight to make the bill a law is far from over. phil mattingly, who's been in the middle of this, joins me now from capitol hill. interesting development today, with the main selling point for this bill has been that it will cut taxes for the middle class. but a new study out says that may not be the case. what's going on here? >> reporter: this is for the senate bill, still moving through the process, the joint committee on taxation, this is a nonpartisan entity, putting out the numbers for that bill. and they're some pretty startling ones if you're lower and or middle income. particularly by 2021, according to this analysis, any individual would see a tax increase, why is that? it's because of the inclusion of the repeal of obamacare's individual mandate. the analysis saying people would no longer get subsidies because they would fall off insurance therefore the taxes go up.
republicans quibble with that analysis. don't believe that's true, because people would still be option of purchasing health insurance. that's one red flag. the other is because tax cuts phase out. because they sunset because of the budget constraints in this bill, anyone making under $75,000 by 2027 would see a tax increase. that's something republicans have to address. >> about 30 seconds left, fill. who are the major hurdles facing this bill in the senate? >> reporter: we know a lot about susan collins. the inclusion of the individual mandate repeal is problem attic. you've got people like rand paul, ted cruise saying these tax cuts don't go deep enough. his issues are all procedural, he's okay with it so far. that could always flair up, the big issue right now is deficits. senator bob corker, jeff flake don't want this bill to add to the deficit. john, there are a lot of issues they need to iron out, a lot of hurdles left to go. they think they can get there, but a lot of work left. >> thanks so much for watching 360.
time now for us to hand things over to a good man with a terrific interview you absolutely want to see. jake tapper now with a special edition of "the lead". welcome to a special prime time edition of "the lead". i'm jake tapper. we begin with a politics lead. an extraordinary day today in washington, with allegations of sexual harassment and abuse surrounding the united states senate. one involves a sitting senator, a democrat, the other a candidate for the office, a republican. we'll speak to one of the women at the center of this in just moments. today the white house said president trump thinks the allegations against republican senate candidate roy moore in alabama are very troubling. eight women have come forward to accuse moore of intimate contact or attempted