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licentious. breaking news in the russia investigation tops the hour about what jared kushner told congressional investigators, what he may have gloektd mention and where that could leave him this. leaves us with plenty to get to, starting with cnn's evan perez. what are you learning? >> jared kushner told investigators that he didn't communicate with wikileaks and didn't recall anyone in the trump campaign who did. we know from disclosures this week that donald trump junior sent an e-mail to kushner to pass on information that he learned from wikileaks. and kushner then forwarded that e-mail to hope hicks, one of the closest aids to then-candidate trump and now communications director at the white house. it turns up the heat on kushner to go back to capitol hill for more interviews and perhaps to explain himself. we heard yesterday from the leaders of the senate judiciary committee who sent a public letter to kushner's lawyer saying that kushner had failed toton over documents they know exit, and that includes information about wikileaks.
the letter said others had provided documents showing, quote, september 2016 e-mail communications to mr. kushner concerning wikileaks which mr. kushner then forwarded to another campaign official, john. >> donald trump jr. communicated with wikileaks, e-mails jared kushner, he forwarded that e-mail on and then jared kushner testified he didn't recall whether anyone in the campaign communicated with wikileaks. so what is the kushner camp saying about this tonight? >> his attorney calls this a classic gotcha question. he said in over six hours of testimony -- he disputes the judiciary committee's letter of not turning over documents and says the committee should turn over transcripts of interviews
with those committees and they should ask the white house for documents that exist after donald trump was inaugurated because they say kushner has no authorizations to release those documents. so now that the other shoe has dropped, some perspective is like a giant hiking boot for a ballet slip in what might come next. next the panel. jeffrey, i want you to go first. how big of a problem? >> can we just say that donald trump jr. and jared kushner have become the poster children for the evils of nepotism? the problems they have gotten themselves into by being, at berks forgetful and if not outright lying are astonishing this early in the administration. yes, jared kushner can say for the 17th time, i forgot, i didn't get around to it, i didn't remember this e-mail, i
didn't remember to fill out the form accurately, and it may yet be true. it's hard to prove someone who says i didn't remember or i forgot or i didn't get to it is lying. but it is getting ridiculous how many times jared kushner has to revise what he said under oath. >> maggie haberman, who has worn her voice out reporting so hard, she can barely speak anymore. >> you speak for me. >> i want you to clarify. >> yes, you will. >> please, god, no. >> in trump world back in the campaign, when you forward an e-mail to hope hicks, is it just forwarding that e-mail to hope hicks or is there some expectation that she shows it to someone else like, say, then-candidate trump or president trump? >> i don't want to speculate. but she would show them to a
supervisor, cory lewandowski or paul manafort. i think that we are reaching a point of this and i think this is going to be very difficult for a lot of people, but it certainly has been difficult for jared kushner where over and over again the explanation is they forgot or this didn't go any further. it's not how it worked. it's a very small campaign. and there were a small group of people who were talking to each other all the time. and that's why when you have seen people throughout try to silo themselves off, and i know my voice sounds great, it's been difficult, i think, for people to process when we watched how this campaign functioned. >> ed, a chance to speak for yourself here. are we to believe -- do you believe the explanation that jared kushner got this e-mail forwarded to hope hicks yet had no recollection of it? >> if you've never run a big campaign, i've only run my own
campaign and a few others, you don't even the intensity and the scrutiny. it's completely normal for people who aren't political, they were not politicians or campaign types, to be doing things in ways that look now, especially when you have a special counsel, how could you say you forgot? it actually is completely understandable and, frankly, for the american people, you look up and you say you're asking about the russians, i mean, sessions' joke makes people laugh. >> it makes people at the federal society laugh. >> trust me. >> it was a real knee slapper, wasn't it? >> the biggest problem is the trump campaign started from a zero-sum game, and they said we didn't have any contact with the russians at all. and we found out out they did. and then they say, oh, we didn't have collusion although we may have spoken to the russians on the sidelines, blah blah blah. and then we find out that maybe they were sliding in our dms
asking you about what was going on. >> that wasn't the russians though? >> wikileaks is not the russians. >> then we have meetings about adoptions. and then we realize that maybe it's not about adoptions, maybe it's about dirt on hillary clinton. and so there are a lot of hills for ed and many others to die on. however, the fact remains that martha stewart, i keep going back to this, sherpgsz go to jail for insider trading. she went on a violation which is lying to federal investigators. that is the hill that donald trump and many of his people are going down right now. >> i'll say, i agree with ed. i've been on very, very small presidential kpansz where you're dealing with a small close-knit group of people. everyone's doing the job of 12
people and you get hundreds of e-mails every day and i could completely see where jared would have gotten an e-mail and not represented it. but forwarding it on. but this isn't an e-mail about yard signs. thab this is about russia. to beakari's point, going forwad this may be about what he says truthfully moving forward. >> phil? >> i think the last point is key. this isn't join smith in iowa. this is something that was clearly brought to their attention. not only that, but jared kushner being asked about this this year after we already know these
things were problematic, and he should have been prepared to answer questions and known. >> after he's already lawyered up. this is answer he still gave. jeffrey toobin, when we were reading abby's response, i saw you nodding. didn't seem you were buying what she was selling. >> he represented robert me den des. but what can he say? the only thing he can say is, well, we won't our best and we'll go back and do it again. we're not -- we wasn't lying, he was just trying his best and he may have forgotten something. perhaps it's true. and it's very hard to disprove when someone says they don't remember, which is why nixon
said on the tapes you can always say you don't remember. but it doesn't mean they can't remember. it might mean they're lying. we need to take a break right now. next i'll speak to general michael hayden about how several roads in the russia probe seem to lead back to jared kushner or at least through jared kushner. president trump's conspicuous silence on the allegations against roy moore while calling out senator al franken for his issues.
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i had a chance to talk to general michael hayden earlier this evening just before the latest news broke. >> journal, hayden, it seems that jared kushner forgets a lot, forgot a meeting with the ambassador and a head of a state-run russian bank. he also forgot to disclose financial assets, and now the judiciary committee is asking for documents they requested but kushner didn't provide about wikileaks and a, quote, russian back door overture and dinner invite, what's your read? >> at the beginning this was an uncareful young man who was simply not used to dealing with the federal government or with the security. i think he quickly learned. he's some good news out of this story. the government, the security clearance process, stood its ground. foreign means foreign, all means
all, and they held this young man's feet to the fire until they got the completed sf 86. now as this investigation has gone forward, it appears that mr. kushner and his legal team have taken a narrow definition of the documents that the various committees have asked of them. so now we find this e-mail for which he was the back end of an e-mail from donald trump jr., that he never provided because that was an e-mail in which don junior announced he was in contact with wikileaks. >> from your experience in intelligence gathering, is this behavior normal from someone who has nothing to hide? >> well, i mean, i don't want to prejudge this. i already suggested there was naïveté and experience at the front end. but you know, john, the longer we go, those absolute
categorical denials the transition team made, we're peeling those back one by one. so i think it's really in the interest of the trump administration not to play hide and seek like this, to push it all out there to disprove the theory. >> it was reported today that kushner who was a senior adviser to the president who oversees china and middle east peace has not been granted security clearance. how unusual is it ten months in to have interim security clearance? >> it's unusual. let them parse that out a little bit. it's not unusual because there's a massive backlog, although there is a massive backlog. the president's son-in-law is going to jump to the front of the queue. that's a given. we had in delay because many kushner didn't fill out the form at the beginning and this is without prejudice to the final
outcome. his contacts abroad, his financial dealings abroad, they're very complicated. and so i could see why this would just take longer than average. >> we know that the special counsel robert mueller will soon interview jared kushner and, more importantly, donald trump communications director hope hicks. what information do you think is critical to obtain from her? >> well, she was on the end of an e-mail from kushner that was handing off the e-mail from donald trump jr. that was handing off the contact from wikileaks. and so i think what we're learning just on the surface, john, is that there are an awful lot more people within the campaign who knew about what was going on with regard to wikileaks and, frankly, with some russian surrogates. we'll see if that goes beyond stupidity and gets to a criminal level. thatst a judgment director mueller is going to have to make. >> we learned the special
counsel wants to interview the publicly cy publicity. >> mr. mueller poring every rock. i hesitate to read too much into this other than just you bob mueller being though. at the end of this process, he wants to look into everything possible. but gag going forward, the more we peel back, the more we seem to learn in terms of connective tissue and activity that wasn't previously known. we'll see where it goes. >> thanks for being with us. >> thanks, john. the president has no problem fwhaegds on al franken's swaut, so why nothing on the allegations against roy moore?
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part of the president who faces sexual misconduct from at least 13 women. more on all over the from ryan nobles at the white house. what did the president say today about al franken? >> not surprisingly he attacked senator franken and did it vee his favorite medium, twitter. he wrote the al frank seen the picture is really bad, where do his hands go in pictures, the works three, four, five, and six while she slept? and to think last week he was lecturing anyone who would listen about sexual harassment and respect for women. as you mentioned, john, this decision by the president to wait about 12 hours before attacking al franken on this point opens this white house up to criticism on two fronts, not only where they stand as it relates to roy moore in alabama, but also the president's own personal accusations against him by, as you mentioned, at least 13 different women. >> does the white house have anything else to say about roy
moore? >> sarah huck be's response was that the white house already weighed in on this issue and they'll leave it for the voters of alabama. they have not gone as more as mitch mcconnell and said he should step down from the race. also today which i think is interesting, sarah sanders opened the possibility that the governor, kay ivy of alabama could set a different date for this election on december 12th. ivy repeatedly said she's not interested in doing that, but we know mcconnell sent a letter with options and among those was changing the date. the white house not saying whether they are for or against it, but saying it's up to the governor. >> the governor is saying she's voting for roy moore even though
she says she has no reason to doubt the accusers. while he was traveling in asia, the president said i haven't had a chance to pay attention to what's happening in alabama. now he's back and they're there's still nothing. as it sufficient? >> no, it's not sufficient. he's fully briefed on this. he knows exactly what's going on here. the problem is sexual harassment is nonpartisan. if he's going to condemn al franken, he needs to condemn roy moore. we have three people facing serious allegations and people are proven guilty, but in my view, the allegations ghengis roy moore are much or convincing than his denials. and i believe he's just as guilty as al franken. the president has many skeskele
his closet. he knows what is facing him. >> ed martin? >> i can't believe we're having this conversation. me dal franken admits to at leat abusing women if not a sexual assault, an actual crime. he admitted it the difference is the admission. you can still say, i think it's fair, there's a lot of women saying that sounds believe, fair enough. but as to -- >> man splain further. >> you're not listening to what he's saying. he said the people in alabama will decide, and he backed away. frankly, that's what the people in america want. last night on this panel we had people admit, an ethics committee shearing where a complaint goes to die. and everyone knows that in d.c.
>> we also have the audio of donald trump on the "access hollywood" tape. the president is condemning al franken. >> roy moore is the question. why should he be condemned when no one has proven -- all that's been said is allegations 40 year old against a man that's new. >> if we want to look at the words -- i was the one that sat besides you last night and said al franken should resign. >> good job, you were right. >> i was also the same person who said roy moore doesn't d'oeuvre to be in the senate and donald trump doesn't d'oeuvre to be president of the united states based on these allegations. you can twist yourself into any position you want to do that, however, the president of the united states saying not getting an std was his vietnam.
he walked into dressing rooms with 15-year-old girls during the -- i'm not done talking. >> we're talking about roy moore. >> he's also someone who said he kisses women and grabs women by their pussies. his quote, not mine. when we're talking about the president of the united states, you have to feed peeble equally out of the same spoon. moore is a predator amongst young girls. how many women -- >> we're up to nine. >> you're a lawyer. you know you can't say that you know something based on anything. >> i believe the woman who spoke out against al franken, not just the picture, democrats around the country are saying maybe his hands didn't touch, maybe she was passed out. regardless of that, even if i give him the benefit of the
doubt -- i'm not done talking. >> is this a filibuster? >> may be. if i believe this woman, i should also believe the same women who were against roy moore and the same women who are against donald trump. and the fact that you cannot see this is not a partisan issue is an indictment on you, not me. >> listen, theorist mistake you made. one man can we find to crimes. if he hadn't can we find -- >> is grabbing a woman by the vagina is crime or not? >> one man can we find and showed the pictures. you want to relitigate the election, the question was about roy moore. here's the point. you want to condemn everyone. if al franken said i never did it, then there should you have been a hearing for the woman and him. i'm on al franken side that until he can we find, he had a
right to object. >> you're missing the point the "access hollywood" tape, the president admits, acknowledges that he grabbed a woman. he says he does it all the time. >> let's play it. >> we're going back in time. the election is over. >> the uso tour in 2006 is over too. we also have the tape of donald trump talking on the "access hollywood" tape. let's play it. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- i start kissing them. it's like a magnet. i don't even wait. when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the pussy, do anything. >> what he said there, we had jessica leads on this show with anderson not too long ago, and she acknowledged exactly what donald trump said in that tape he did to her. you cannot say he's not admitting that he did it. he's denying its now because he's the president. >> he's talking about nancy
o'dell in that tape. and he's never even apologized to nancy o'dell. >> you guys -- if you want to run -- to 2020 you get your guy to run. >> ed, i'm not condemning anything. i do not know your background at all. what i'm condemning is the fact that i forget a daughter and i do not want -- you can wave your hands all you want. >> this is the kind of stuff -- >> hang on one second. >> nobody's impressed when people say i have kids, i know someone. look, i have kids too. here's what i wouldn't want. where people can simply could you say someone and then get hung out to dry. that's wrong, it's un-american and everybody's sick of it. you'll lose every election, bakari. >> i've won four. >> i'm saying -- >> have you won an election? that's my point. what are you talking about?
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picking up where we left off, sort of. maybe a little bit different. roy moore's wife says in no uncertain terms that he's not stepping down. kayla spoke with republican women from alabama who are defending him as more blame the media. back now with our panel. maggie, i want to start with you here. we started talking about roy moore and al franken and it gets back to the president. the discussion changed when the president weighed in after not talking about roy moore. we tweeted about al franken. >> yes, and it does beg questions again about the president. >> i think those questions about the president were always going to come up in light of the current national conversation that was sparked by the harvey weinstein story. in reality this conversation began in the 2016 election both with the roger ailes revelations at fox news, and with the
"access hollywood" tape you played. so i think that was always going to happen. but i keep the president puts accelerant on that when he decides to weigh in on one issue while ignoring the other. there's frustration in the white house when we cover things we tweets. he couldn't not tweet and then that wouldn't be a focus of conversation with but he's the president and he has a bully pulpit and it's going to shift the focus back onto -- he's trying to divert it to franken, but there's no way on this top -- his aides are aware he has a problem on this, that it could raise other issues. identify had conversations with some of them about it. he just wanted to get involved, a . >> by shift to go franken, he pulls it back on himself. specifically about alabama, we're a month away from election day, which, you know,
coincidentally the about the time frame that existed between the "access hollywood" tape and actual election day. right now you have roy moore trailing in the polls in alabama. from what you see in your numbers, are there things in these polls that leads you to believe these numbers might stick? >> the in october men and women were about the same, equally favorable towards moore and jones in terms of who they support supported. women are 26 points more likely to support jones. that's a huge shift. that's one poll. but i think that you're right, there is still a month to go. and i think the strategy by moore and by trump and other folks who would like to see him win is to simply bide their time. trump had the benefit of during that last month, james comey
wrote a letter, and that was a huge distraction and that muted a lot of what happened with trump. >> alex burns, my colleague made the point a few times that it is an perfect analog. he was brutal toward hillary clinton where he paraded her husband's accusers front of her, and he showed up and was everywhere. moore is not debate. he's not doing anything close. >> he's not answering questions. >> correct. and moving away from press conferences. trump was different and that matters. >> my first job in south alabama was as a news reporter. the people are not going to be swayed that much by "the washington post," the liberal
media, washington, d.c., democrats here, republican establishment in washington. they're going to listen to the people at the coffee shop, listen to the local news, read the local paper. that will be where they get their decision. the problem is this involves children, 14-year-old girls. this has gotten to the point -- we've had more come out since then. as i said, these stories, while they're just allegations, his response to them has not been credible. he had the opportunity to categorical deny these allegations and he instead says that's not characteristic of my behavior. the polls have gone from him leading by eight to down by eight. it's the mushy middle. >> bakari, last night you said you thought al franken should resign right now. have you had any pushback today? >> no question i got push back.
if democrats look at themselves fairly and straight in the face, if you give him the benefit of the doubt, some democrats say there were 13 accusers against donald trump. this isn't the same against one. i'm not willing to die on the heel that one is enough and 13 is just more. even more importantly. >> i will say this. there is a scale to this and i'm not one to participants in false equivalentsies. none of them belong in elected office. >> i want to give ed time here. the governor says she's going to vote for roy moore. >> that's the same thing jeff sessions said and the the same thing i said. you can't judge these women. we have to be in a world where people come forward, but i have no reason to doubt roy moore.
the people of alabama are going to vote. i think we touched it now. polls aren't right. alabamaens are not going to vote for a pro-abortion senator, a pro-illegal immigration senator. they're going to come back -- >> they'll vote for a pedophile. >> we'll see. appreciate the lively discussion. a cnn exclusive, an incredibly important story. access to an unthinkable slave action in libya. or save up to $500 instantly on select tempur-pedic adjustable mattress sets. ♪ and with our 90-day trial, your satisfaction is completely guaranteed. tempur-pedic sleep is power. find your exclusive retailer today at tempurpedic.com.
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too terrified to go on the record about the ordeal. cnn has been working to bring more of these stories to light. we travel to libya to witness the true inhumanity forthemselves. men sold like commodities. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: a man addressing an unseen crowd. big, strong boys for farm work, he says. 400. 700. 700? 800. the numbers roll in. these men are sold for 1,200 libyan pounds, $400 apiece. you are watching an auction of human beings.
another man claiming to be a buyer, off camera someone asks about what happened to the ones in niger? sold off, he's sold. after months of working we were able to investor the authenticity of what you see here. we decided to travel to libya to try and see for ourselves. we're now in triply. we're starting to get a sense of how this all works. our contacts say there are one to two of these auctions every month and there's one happening in the next few hours. so we're going to head out of town for the safety of our contacts, we have agreed not to divulge the location of this auction, but the town we're driving to isn't the only one.
night falls. we travel through none zript suburban neighborhoods, pretending to look for a missing person. eventually we stop outside a house like any other. adjust our secret cameras and wait. finally, it's time to move. we're ushered into one of two auctions happening on this same night. crouched at the back the yard, a floodlight obscuring much of the scene. one by one men are brought out for the bidding.
400, 500, 550, 600, 650. 700. very quickly it's over. we ask if we can speak to the man, the auction ear seen here refuses. we ask again if we can speak to them, if we can help them. no, he says. the auction is over with. and we're asked to leave. that was over very quickly. we walked in and as soon as we walked in the men started covering their faces, but they clearly wanted to finish what they were doing, and they kept bringing out what they kept referring to in arabic as the merchandise. all in all, they admitted to us that there were 12 nigerians
that were sold in front of us. and i honestly don't know what to say. that was probably one of the most unbelievable things i've ever seen. >> let us take us to our countries. >> these men are migrants with dreams of being smuggled to europe. they come in the thousands from niger, mali, nigeria, began that. it's hard to believe that these are the lucky ones, rescued from warehouses like the one in which we witnessed the auction. they're sold if those warehouses become overcrowded or if they run out of money to pay their smuggler's. of these rescued men, so many here say they were held against their will. it doesn't take us long to find
victims. victory was a slave. we know that some people are being sold. >> yes. >> some people are being sold. >> yes. >> is this something you've heard about? can you tell us about them. >> sure. >> i was too. >> what happened? i was sold. if you look at -- on my way here i was sold. we are bitten with the electric -- sharp objects. most of them lost their lives there. i was there. the person who came to buy me, give them the money. then they took me home. >> other migrants now start to come forward with their stories. >> they took by force.
>> i'm doing the work. >> but i promise you i will take care of -- >> he's the supervisor here. with no international support, it's his job to look after the captured migrants until they can be deported. he says every day brings fresh heartbreak. >> i am suffering for them. what i have seen here, it make me really feel pain for them. they come and every story is a special case. they was abusing them. they stole their money. >> have you heard about people being auctioned off, about migrants being sold? >> honestly, we hear the rumors, but there's nothing that's obvious in front of us. we don't have evidence. >> but we now do. cnn has delivered this evidence to the libyan authorities, who
have promised to launch an investigation so that scenes like this are returned to the past. >> now that cnn has found this evidence, what's being done about it? >> well, the libyan authorities say that they have brought together a high level committee, that they're going to be pushing to try and get as many of the security apparatus on board as they can. and their priority is first and for most to try and ensure that the people that you saw auctioned off amongst others are found and brought back to safety. but the reality is that the libyan authorities, you know, their authority is limited. they're not in control of the entire country. we spoke to the international organization of migration and they said that this is a business before anything else, that that auctioning off of human beings, it makes a lot of money. and so it has consequences when you come between people and their money. and their concern is that the libyan authorities really aren't strong enough to take on this
fight. >> hopefully your reporting will have consequences. thanks so much for doing it and thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. tomer san over cable for 17 years running. but some people still like cable. just like some people like wet grocery bags. getting a bad haircut. overcrowded trains. turnstiles that don't turn. and spilling coffee on themselves. but for everyone else, there's directv. for #1 rated customer satisfaction over cable, switch to directv. and for a limited time get a $100 reward card. call 1-800-directv
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the president tonight put his decision to lift the ban on importing elephant trophies from africa on hold. he announced the change in a tweet after considerable outcry from conservation groups and others. interior secretary ryan zinke put out a statement moments ago. president trump and i have talked and both believe the kefrgs and healthy headers are critical. as a result the issues of permanence is being put on hold as the decision is being reviewed. thanks so much for watching 360. time to hand it over to don lemon and cnn tonight. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. breaking news on the russia investigation. first on cnn. the president's son-in-law, jared kushner, told congressional investigators that he had no communication with wikileaks. he also said he did not recall any other member of the campaign who had. but kushner did receive and forward an e-mail from donald trump jr. about contact trump