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. . . jared kushner told congressional investigators he did not communicate with wikileaks. >> i think jared kushner is in trouble. >> is ambassador kislyak in the room, any russians? anybody been to russia? >> the senator has admitted wrongdoing and the president hasn't. >> mr. moore echoing candidate moore, he is not going anywhere. >> it was full-on assault. he was very, very flirtatious. >> it is not just a problem in the legislative halls. it is a problem of male power over women.
this is new day weekend with victor blackwell and christi paul. good morning to you. this morning, the russia investigation is causing more problems for the white house. did the president's son-in-law and senior adviser, lie to congress about the campaign's communications with wikileaks and russia? >> in his testimony, he said he never communicated with wikileaks and didn't know anyone in the trump campaign who had? >> a new report shows that he did receive an e-mail about wicky leads and forwa wikileaks and forwarded to campaign officials. >> any accused him of withholding documents and democrats are accusing him of lying under oath. he has had to amend his security format several times because he did not list meetings with foreign officials. here is cnn's evan perez.
jared kushner told congressional investigators he didn't communicate with wikileaks and didn't recall anyone in the trump campaign who did. we now know from disclosures that donald trump jr. sent an e-mail to kushner and others to pass on information that he learned from wikileaks. kushner then forwarded that to hope hicks, one of the closest aides to then candidate trump and now the communications director at white house. what this latest revelation does is turns up pressure for kushner to go back to capitol hill for more interviews and to explain himself. we heard from the leaders of the senate judiciary committee saying kushner had failed to turn over documents they know exist. that includes information about wikileaks. his attorney says the wikileaks question is a gotcha question. he adds that over six hours of voluntary testimony, mr. kushner answered all questions put to
him and demonstrated that there had been no collusion between the campaign and russia. lowell also disputes them accusing kushner of not turning over documents and said they should ask other congressional committees for their transcripts and the white house for all the documents. evan paris, cnn, washington. errol louis with us now, cnn political commentator. melissa quinn and joey jackson. good morning to all of you. let's start with you, joey. just find out the legal exposure here for jared kushner. he was not under oath reportedly when he was in front of senate investigators. although, it is still illegal to lie to those investigators. what's the legal exposure for kushner if he, indeed, said he did not have knowledge of anyone having communications with
wikileaks but did receive these e-mails from donald trump jr. >> good morning, victor. the legal significance is high but the reality will be whether he was knowing and whether it was a knowing and willful misrepresentation to congress. to your point, whether or not you are under oath, you raise your right hand and have your right hand on your lap, it doesn't matter. the issue becomes because of the federal statute, if you knowingly and willfully lie to any federal official for that matter, in that sense, it would be problematic. the excuse has been repeatedly and you have seen this this past week. we saw the hearings as they related to our attorney general. you heard him invoke those words. i do not recall. i think similarly, in this instance, when you are dealing in a very chaotic environment and you could remember when he
gave public information, jared kushner's opening statement, when he said, look, i was dealing with a number of different things, a number of different e-mails, having a number of different conversations. did i pass some e-mail on, i may have. to the extent that he says he doesn't recall, that would take it out of the knowing and willful spectrum. it quo become problematic to prove that he willfully made a misrepresentation. >> errol, now to you. does the content of these e-mails and the clarity of the question as we are receiving it from sources allow for the possibility that speaks to what we heard from attorney general sessions. things are moving so quickly. we are moving bring the seat of our pants. he could have received it without reading and understanding it. or is it just so clear it is hard to deny? >> it is a pattern that has emerged, victor.
honestly, we start out and we have seen this with mike flynn, jeff sessions, donald trump jr. and a number of top campaign officials including paul manafort, the campaign manager where they start out by saying no there was no connection whatsoever. we never, ever spoke to anybody. then, evidence comes forward that, well, you did get these communications and all of the sudden, the story changes. they fall back and say, well, there was no collusion, which is not a legal term. in any event. the pass they are that seems to emerge is one in which they were either too busy or too inept to recognize what was going on and/or they are trying to cover that up or to cover up the fact that there was some kind of conversation going on. maybe it was a quiet conversation. maybe it was a disconnected conversation. maybe it wasn't something that ever rose to the level of an absolute strategy within the campaign. clearly, something was going on here. to the extent that they don't come clean, even after the fact,
i think they are going to continue to have political problems. >> there was the amendment to the fx 86 form to get the security clearance. then, there was another amendment to that form and now more revelations as the months go on. there was a period during the summer during which democrats were suggesting they were going to really fight the security clearance for jared kushner. he has this interim security clearance now. where is that fight? >> i think that the revelations from this past week are only going to amplify those calls. this is a pattern that has been emerging over the last few months involving top members of the trump campaign and now top white house officials. when we found out about the meeting at trump tower in june, 2016, that started the calls for kushner's security clearance to be revoked. now, learning that kushner did,
indeed, receive e-mails and forwarded them on mentioning wikileaks, i don't expect this issue to go away any time soon. >> sources tell cnn that special counsel, robert mueller, wants to talk with the british publicist, rob gold stone who arranged the 2016 trump tower meeting with russian officials. you remember those e-mails that went back and forth. there was a suggestion he had information about hillary clinton. donald trump jr. responded, if it is what you say, i love it. remind everyone what he can offer to this investigation. >> he appears to be able to connect some important dots. he knew or possibly knows what the russians were after. the attorney and the other operative that is were in and around that meeting might have been looking for. he also knows who he spoke to, because these different denials this ever-changing story in which trump campaign officials
and white house officials start backtracking. any start with one story and then they start changing it depending on what they knew. well, rob gold stoen hstone has information about that. he could refresh their memories and provide valuable information. >> joey, the attorney for paul manafort on the day that he surrendered for that indictment a couple of weeks ago, i believe it was october 30th, said there is no evidence of collusion. we have heard from the president, there is no evidence of collusion. however, the people who are coming before this special council seem that that lip of investigation is still very much still open despite what we are hearing from the white house. >> it very much is. you have to remember, there are many pieces of the puzzle here. we talk about connecting dots you have to look at each official and each member of the campaign, what they knew and
when they into it, what, if any, involvement they had with russian officials, what this meeting was about, what the intent of the parties were. was it about adoption or something more significant? this investigation is not done in a vacuum. it is not any one official that is going to tip the scale. it is the collective effort of the campaign. when you talk about collusion, collusion represents a term in which the people collectively working with the russian government and the campaign to influence an election. when you do that, you have that investigation, you look at each particular party and what, if any, role they had and what, if any, intention they had to further the aim of the collusion. so it is significant. >> joey jackson, melissa quinn, i recall lewis, thank you all. >> meanwhile, attorney general jeff sessions is finding some healing in the russian investigation, it seems, cracking jokes just days after his fiery testimony on the
russian investigation. look. >> i was just anything, i want to ask you, is ambassador kislyak in the room, before i get started here? any russians? anybody been to russia? have a cousin in russia? >> he got a warm reception from the conservative lawyers there in attendance. at least one democrat already calling the comments inappropriate. russia rejected another u.n. resolution to extend an investigation into syrian use of chemical weapons. the third veto in the last month against the joined membt member.
ambassadors from the u.s. and uk tore into russia for protected the syrian regime. >> reporter: russia's veto shows us they have no interest in finding common ground with the rest of this council to find the jem. they will not agree to shine a spot on the use of chemical weapons by the syrian regime. it is as simple and shameful as that. >> this clearly exposes, if it wasn't already obvious, russia's determination to protect their syrian ally, whatever the harm that causes. to the ban on the use of chemical weapons to the wider international system of rules, to russia's own reputation. >> today, it has been more than a week since president trump largely silent on the sexual
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accusing the media of lying about the republican candidate's conduct with underage girls. >> tina johnson says moore grabbed her buttocks in his law office when she was there with her mother. that was in 1991. she was 28 years old at the time. listen to what she told erin burnett. >> the moment we walked in, it was full-on assault. he was very, very flirtatious. he was commenting constantly the whole time and it was not like for five minutes. it was like we was there for a long period of time. it was so uncomfortable. i knew something was up but i just ignored it, just what it was. he proceeded to come to the end of the desk and really close-up
on me. >> you said so close you could sort of feel his breath. >> actually, i think his knee might have been touching my knee. his hand were not on me. just like maybe his knee was brushing mine or something. then when it was time for us to leave, my mother had got up and left the room to go out the front door. well, when she was going out the door and i proceeded out, he grabbed me from behind on my buttocks and squeezed it really hard. i remember thinking, i'm so ashamed. i felt humiliated in that moment. it took everything out of me. >> one question a lot of people have with these stories coming out now is why now? why, tina, did you choose to speak out now? why not sooner? >> because you couldn't. people didn't want to hear it. your own family members, don't
talk about that. shut up. why are you bringing that up? >> what has changed, the environment? other women came forward giving you the courage to come out and tell your story? >> yes. when i seen a citizen of edwell county say that the 14-year-old, it was okay. it was no big deal. >> someone told you that? >> it was on the news. i seen it on live tv. they said it was okay. she was 14. oh, well, that's okay, that it was fine. >> then you decided that you had to speak out? >> i was so angry. a 14-year-old? a 14-year-old child and it was okay. when is that ever okay, ever? >> what would you say if his campaign comes out and claims, okay, tina, you want pay back because he was representing your mother. if they come out and say that to try to discredit you, what do you say to that?
>> the lord that i serve is not the one that roy moore serves. my lord knows that he did it. he knows it and i know it. he can say whatever he wants to say. the truth will stand when the world won't. that's the truth. >> cnn has reached out several times to moore's campaign for a response, a reaction to johnson's claims. they have not responded. but roy moore and his campaign have denied all other accusations against him. despite all the allegations against roy moore, president trump has not come out publicly to say anything about the revelations. he was quick to slam senator al franken for his backlash and critics reminding the president of sexual allegations against him during his campaign. here is cnn's ryan nobles. >> reporter: when the president decided that he would weigh in on the al franken allegations, less than 12 hours after they were initially reported, it
really opened the white house up to some criticism on two different fronts. there are those past allegations by women about the president and sexual impropriety. there is this senate race where roy moore facing a host of accusations, including inappropriate contact with a woman under age. white house press secretary, sara sanders, was specifically asked about both points in the white house press briefing. listen how she responded about the differences between the accusations against al franken and the president. >> senator fraeknken has admitt wrongdoing and the president hasn't. that's a very clear distinction. >> she said this was litigated during the election and the president has not weighed in all that bch rabout roy moore. since these allegations have come to light, the president has said that he doesn't know that much about it. he said, if the allegations were
true, that roy moore should step aside. sara murray pressed sara sanders on that point. >> can you tell us whether the president believes the women that are making these allegations and would he be willing to ask the alabama governor to delay the election or take a step like that to try to intervene in in electoral process in become become? >> the president certainly finds the allegations extremely troubling. as i stated yesterday. he feels like it is up to the governor and the people in the state of alabama to make a determination on whether or not they delay that election or whether or not they support and vote for roy moore. >> as you heard sanders say there, she left the door ep to the possibility that the alabama governor, kay ivy, could change the date of the election.
at this point, we know governor ivy has said she will not do that. that was one possible option as too h to how to deal with this alabama senate race and roy moore. republicans promise an economic boost from their tax cut, that the plan will help every family lift all boats. are americans believing that? we'll look at the fine print. president trump changes his mi mind in regards to allowing elephants to be hunted.
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good morning. happy saturday. i'm christi paul. >> ike victor blackwell. >> there is a new question for the white house. did jared kushner lie to congress? >> a source tells cnn, the president's son-in-law and senior adviser told congressional investigators he did not communicate with wikileaks and did not know anyone on the trump campaign who had. >> a new report says he forwarded an e-mail to senior campaign officials from donald trump jr. in that e-mail, trump jr. said he had made contact with wikileaks. >> this comes after accusation that is kushner with held russia-related documents from the committee. here is jessica snyder. >> the questions about jared kushner's cooperation continue as congress is asking for more documents and implying that kushner has not been forthcoming with handing them over. they are calling jared kushner's
disclosures into questioning labeling what he submitted so far incompetent and demanding more documents. the letter sent by chairman chuck grassley and dianne feinstein points to messages that donald trump jr. exchanged e-mails over twitter during the campaign. he e-mailed them telling them wikileaks had made contacts. the committee wants kushner to hand over the e-mails and they want all documents pertaining to a russian back door dinner invite. he wants all the e-mails related to his security clearance. kushner has had to update his forms three times for not reporting several meetings with foreign officials all communications with sergei million. >> he is apparently admitting
documents. that's the reason i have long after vadvocated subpoenas. i think he ought to be subpoenaed to appear before the committee in open, under oath, at a hearing. >> kushner's lawyer releasing this statement. >> we provided the judiciary committee with all documents that had to do with his connection. >> i don't think it is obstruction. i think he is saying, write us a clear letter and we will give you a response. >> the special council has subpoenaed the trump campaign and seeks more records based on expanded search terms suggesting investigators believe there are still documents that haven't been handed over. the campaign had provided documents to the special counsel that had also been given to congressional investigators.
one source describes the request as covering a large amount of material. the trump campaign hasn't responded to requests for comment. attorney general, jeff sessions, who was forced to recuse himself from the russian investigation after he initially failed to say he met with sergei kislyak twice during the campaign, made light of the situation at the same hotel where he encountered kislyak. >> is ambassador kislyak in the room before i get started here? any russians? >> reporter: on russian television this week kislyak joking about the investigation saying any list of his contacts with americans would be too long to list during the show. special counsel robert mueller plans to meet with key white
house members including hope hicks, who has been a key part of the campaign and administration. >> the next step for the gop tax bill on the senate side, a debate on the floor. >> how will this bill affect one of the core issues for a lot of the republicans that supported the national debt? here is brianna keilar. >> republicans are hard at work trying to overhaul the tax system. >> we are working to give the american people a giant tax cut for christmas. >> reporter: it has a giant price tag. $1.5 trillion over ten years as republicans argue that economic growth will help cancel out the big addition to the national debt, it is is a costly plan. >> we face a crushing burden of
debt which will help take down our economy. >> the trance sen sen dent issu our time. >> they are challenging something that many say is anything but fiscally responsible. it is a low-ball figure. they need to come under it to use special rules requiring only 51 votes. the committee for a responsible federal budget puts the real cost at $2.2 trillion. >> there are a lot of gimmicks they are slipping into the bill to make the costs look less than they actually are. >> reporter: here is one. while the corporate tax cuts would be permanent, the tax cuts for american taxpayers would expire after ten years on paper. it is expected congress would just make the cuts permanent. that tiscfishy math allows
republicans to claim a smaller price tag. >> they say, we fully intend to extend them and you won't have to worry about your taxes going up. on the other hand, don't worry about the cost of the bill but we are not going beyond that limit. >> reporter: some republicans say they are not quite as committed tla t committed that the bill won't add more than $1.5 trillion. >> if i believe it is going to add to the deficit, i am not going to vote for it. critics say it will add to the deficit, just as the bush cuts did. >> it is unconscionable to leave the next generation with crushing debt in a nation in decline. washington's obsession with the next election has come at the expense of the next generation. >> there is a dubious promise that the white house is making about the tax overhaul.
mark short saying every income brackett will see a decrease in taxes and every working family will see a decrease. that is not fully true. independent analysis shows that american families earning less than $75,000 a year are over time going to pay more in taxes. brianna keilar, cnn, washington. president trump has announced he is taking another look at a policy that allows elephant trophies to be imported into the u.s. >> put big game trophy decision on hold until such time as i review all conservation facts under study for years. will update soon with secretary zinke. thank you. the earlier decision meant you would be able to hunt big game and bring the trophies back into the u.s. it reversed restrictions placed by the obama administration. there is a desperate search for answers this morning. officials are upping the ante for any clues about who murdered
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the reward to help catch a cop killer in baltimore is more than $200,000. authorities are desperate for some information in the killing of baltimore police detective sean suter. he was investigating a murder scene when he was shot in the head. police are struggling to find the circumstances surrounding
his death. the officer's service weapon was the only gun recovered there. it had been discharged more than once. evidence shows the shooter might have been injured. the fbi and police have been searching door to door for a possible serial killer after a fourth person was shot and killed in the seminole heights neighborhood. in the last month, four people, with no apparent connection to each other were murdered within a few blocks. all of these victims were alone at the time of their deaths. as a result, officials have warned residents do not go out alone at night and stay alert. police have released a new video as well. that, they believe, is a suspect. they hope someone will come forward with information on that person. they have received more than 2000 tips thus far.
>> let's listen together to the tampa police chief. >> we need someone who is thoughtful, cares and has the heart and the fortitude and bravery to step forward and tell us who this person is and give us the identity. i don't need speculation. we don't need profiles. we need names. they talk about more than 2000 tips, no arrests. this has all happened in a month. do you hear some frustration obviously from that police chief and are you surprised that there has not been more solid evidence thus far. >> i am surprised on the one hand. but not on the other. i lived through the d.c. sniper case both from being an individual that lived in the area but also an individual that worked on that case and managed a lot of the investigation that
went into that. the issue regarding the police and what they are doing down in tampa right now is very similar to the shooting that occurred in phoenix, as you might recall, back in 2015 and 2016 where that particular individual shot and killed nine people over a period of almost a year. it took another eight or nine months before they were able to arrest that individual. that's what law enforcement does, looks at previous cases to find out what techniques were used to arrest the individual and how the individual was arrested in phoenix was based on video, ballistics, and tips from the public. the chief is exactly correct. they need somebody to come forward. there is enough video out there now to, i think, be able to at least identify who this individual is and to report this to law enforcement so we can end this. it is a huge public safety issue here. a lot of times, there is a
balance between what law enforcement wants to put out and a public safety issue. in this particular case, they are letting out as much information as they can because they have to stop this individual from continuing this crime spree. >> we know they are reluctant to call the shooter a serial killer, per se, because they say they don't have enough evidence for that. what evidence need to be there to label that and put that characterization on this. they have this individual in two or three scenes involving him. they have over $100,000 reward leading to arrest. once this has all boiled down it, it will come down it the video we see there. i know at the shooting the other day that just occurred a couple days ago, there was video, i
believe, from a local laundromat. they are closing in on this individual and hopefully they can close in on him very quickly before he commits another horrendous crime from this. >> how likely is it one person? >> it's very difficult to keep a conspiracy going. i think this is probably a loep shooter, as was in phoenix. i think probably the two of those particular cases are going to mirror each other. we probably have an individual that's acting by himself. i'm sure as the chief was pleading with the public as he understands, as do i, that somebody out there knows something and just has to pick the phone up, make a call and end this right now. >> it is possible they know something and they don't realize it is something the police need or they don't call because of fear of that person? >> it could be both. somebody could be in fear for their life or they just don't
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school and party. he will be a man day one. >> having him make the decision he is going to go and dedicate his life to fight for our country if need be, i had to just fall back and say, this is his decision. >> i really want to go to navy so i knew that i had a great plan for my life. >> you could tell there was something different about him. >> he is a gentleman, a scholar and a heck of a football player. >> he has within him the capability to be a great natural born leader. >> i am just preelreally proud he has made us proud. it is a testament to our parenting that i didn't know was so great. >> that's good. now, listen to this. this is an interesting element. jason has committed to play at navy. he continues to take these recruiting visits to other schools as a way of bringing some of his fellow teammate along in hopes that one of those
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your top ten favorite heroes. thank you for doing so. our top story this morning, the cloud of the russia investigation is once again hanging over the white house. the president's son-in-law and senior adviser, jared kushner, accused of lying under oath about his contacts with russia. >> authorities tell cnn kushner said he never communicated with wikileaks and did not know anyone that had. a new report shows kushner did receive an e-mail about wikileaks and he forwarded it to another campaign official. >> i want to get straight to abbey phillips outside the white house. talk to us about the significance of this. >> reporter: christie, lying to congress would be a serious crime and perjury. that's what some are accusing him of doing. his lawyers are fir