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>> did you just say yeb? >> nob. >> did you meet with any trump surrogates about russia? >> i do not -- i do not recall. you know i recall! ♪ president trump, by himself, can't change the behavior of kim jong-un. he'll tell me what to do and if it's illegal, guess what is going to happen? i'm going to say, mr. president, that is illegal. she is really, really talented. hope? >> her prime place on the president's team has made hicks of interest. the special counsel is particularly interested in hicks' role. it's been a difficult week and a half for roy moore and his campaign. >> moore's policy agenda in endangered the children of alabama. >> we have a candidate that has walked through the fire! my former opponent is
obsessed with my speaking out. between tweeting and golfing, how does he get anything done? ♪ >> announcer: this is "new day weekend" with victor blackwell and christi paul. >> thanks for being with us. the russia investigation at a critical point. president trump's communication director hope hicks expected to be interviewed before the end of the month. >> she was present during key moments of president trump's campaign and presidency and mueller wants to know what she knows. a top u.s. nuclear commander said he would push back against a nuclear strike order from the president if it was illegal. this is coming as some democratic lawmakers on capitol hill are worried the president is too unstable to be trusted with nukes. a.l..com is asking voters to reject gop senate roy moore and
vote for democrat doug jones after several women accused moore of sexually inappropriate behavior. we want to bring in cnn white house correspondent abby phillips first. let's talk about hope hicks. what is coming in terms of her conversations, particularly with mueller's team? what do we know about when that might happen? >> reporter: that's right. mueller's investigators are zerg in on president trump's inner circle and a source tells cnn that those interviews are expected to close by the end of this month. we are just a couple of days away from that point and hope hicks is among one of many aide whose are expected to be crucial to some key moments in the campaign. she has been a constant presence in president trump's orbit. she was a close, personal aide for quite a while and guardian of access to president trump and now in communications director she is in the center of the white house. but several others who are of
interest to robert mueller and his investigators. among them, josh fell, a communication aide to jared kushner and don mcgahn, the white house counsel and several were present at a particularly important meeting on air force one in which president trump reportedly drafted a explanation for don jr.'s meeting with russians who had claimed to have dirt on hillary clinton. so all of this happening as investigations are going on in the peril of fashion on capitol hill. just this week the senate judiciary committee commanding more documentation and answers from jared kushner, the president's son-in-law and a senior white aide. >> abby phillips, thank you for the update. >> we don't hear from hope hicks very often and don't see her on
the sunday shows and here is what we know. she is 29 and the communications director but one of the president trump's closest and longest serving aides. >> and present at key events and meetings which may be making her particularly useful to robert mueller's probe, if he does talk to her. >> let's bring in kelly jane torrance from "the weekly standard." good morning to you. i want to remind people of the current and white house officials who have inton mueller's team. sean spicer, the former white house press secretary, reince priebus, the former chief of staff. current white house senior adviser to the president stephen miller and hope hicks communications director by the end of the month. we are six months into the investigation. the special counsel has reached this point where he is getting to the level of speaking with hope hicks really tells us how far along this investigation is. >> yeah. this is one of the few ways we can tell where the investigation is because, you know, investigators in this type of thing are not telling us, hey, we got this many months, we have
that many months, because they don't know. they have to look at the information and go where it leads. the people they have interviewed are operatives who have been involved in republican politics a while and now to trump's inner circle and these people are not long time political aides or political operatives, they are people who are close to trump. i think that is one of the more interesting things is that we are seeing as we get closer and closer to what might be a problem for the trump administration is we are getting to the people who aren't experienced in politics and may not have realized, you know, just how things work and how they are supposed to work. >> one thing that is interesting here, kelly jane, is the attorney he has hired. robert tout. he has represented john mitchell during watergate and monica lewinsky during the clinton scandals. what do you make of this hire, for one thing. we would have to believe, because of that, hope hicks is
going to go in this extensively prepared. >> yeah. that was one of the first things when i saw the name robert trout mentioned as her lawyer. i thought, wow, she got monica lewinsky's lawyer and dwight a move. i've read where she is preparing for months which, itself, is interesting. if there was nothing to worry about, would she need that much preparation? hard to say. but she clearly is going to be asked about a lot of things because as your reporter mentioned, she has been in the room in so many important situations. most importantly, it looks like is being on air force one when the statement that came out from trump jr. about that russia meeting that was not mentioned, that, you know, until it became public and that first statement was completely misleading claiming that he met her to talk about adoption laws, you know, with the u.s. and russia. you know, donald trump jr. himself had to real estate the e-mail he was offered dirt on hillary clinton. hope hicks has been in the room
in a lot of situations. as victor mentioned she is awfully quiet. she must be the quietest white house communications director we have seen in decades and i think people are wondering what she is going to say because we hardly hear from her. >> "the atlantic" is reporting the information from wikileaks to donald trump jr. was forwarded through email allow jared curb kushner and he sent that memo to who? >> hope hicks. >> did she share that with the president? hopefully, robert mueller will get to the bottom of that. kelly jane torrance, thank you for being bus. >> thank you. the top commander would refuse nuclear strike orders from president trump if those orders were illegal. we are talking about general john hyten who says his first obligation is follow the law, despite what any commander in chief tells him to do. >> i provide advice to the
president. he'll tell me what to do and. it's -- if it's illegal, guess what is going to happen? >> you say no? >> i'm going to say, mr. president, that is illegal. guess what is he going to do? he would say what is going to be legal and we will come up with a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is and that is the way it works. it's not that complicated. >> these comments are coming as democrats are raising concerns about the president's commands of nuclear weapons. critics say the president's past comments show he is prone to lash out at enemies like north korea. >> north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury, like the world has never seen. cnn military analyst, retired colonel cedric lleyton joins us now. good morning to you, colonel. i tell you what i found remarkable but i'm not the colonel in this conversation but you tell me if you agree. general hyten is entertaining the notion there could be an
illegal order from the president to launch a nuclear strike, that he even engaged in that scenario? >> well, you're right, victor. good morning to you. the big thing here is that this was talked about, you're absolutely right about that. this issue is something that is perhaps whispered in the dark recesses of the pentagon and strategic command in nebraska. but it is not something that is normally discussed publicly because we just assume that the president is going to be mentally stable and is going to be ready, willing, and able to carry out the kinds of responsibilities that he or she would have which when it comes to defending the country either via nuclear strike or being able to execute those kinds of commands that would respond to a nuclear strike. >> so, colonel, i'm wondering how genuine is the concern in washington that the president would actually order a nuclear strike? >> i think there is concern and i think, you know, the clip that
you played earlier about the president that show the president's remarks about north korea, you know, clearly shows that there is some way in which we can use the nuclear system that perhaps is not as controlled as congress would like it to be. but the concern is that, you know, a president would -- especially this president, would be in a position where he would decide to do something unilaterally that would violate the law and general hyten was correct to point out that any illegal order, military folks have an obligation not to follow that order and it becomes, you know, could perhaps result in a bit of a crisis. but if it is deemed illegal, then we do have a recourse in that there is a way in which you actually counter mand that order. >> first in 40 years the senate
reviewed the president's power to launch a nuclear strike. of course, there is legislation coming from massachusetts as well ed markey. legislatively, are there realistic controls over the president's ability to order nuclear strikes or do you think that is too far afield? >> well, it's difficult, because the whole nuclear command and control system, victor, was set up during the cold war period. the idea was to set up something that could respond very quickly to a nuclear strike or a potential nuclear strike from an enemy. at that time, the perceived enemy was, of course, the sostesosteviet union one could argue it requires a tighter command and control mechanism that would allow for a rapid response because we just don't know what
the north korean regime would do. right now we have four minutes when there is a nuclear strike that is detected against the united states, you have about four minutes to make a decision to actually engage in that strike and to respond to that strike. >> you can't convene congress to get them to pass legislation in four minutes, obviously. >> right. >> that's right. >> colonel, i asked you, other than an element of illegality, is there any situation where you can foresee somebody looking at the president, if he gives that order and saying, i'm not doing it? >> christi, i think there are several situations, you know, if someone were in the room, let's say general hyten or the joint chiefs of staff was in the room and the president was acting erratically and it was very clear that something bad was about to happen and that it was a strike, let's say he had ordered a strike that was not in response to any threat against
the united states, then that would be the case, kind of case made for the movies that would basically say no, mr. president, we are not doing this. that is an extreme scenario and frankly highly unlikely to happen but good to review the procedures we have and make sure, number one, we can follow those procedures and, number two, the people that are in charge are actually ones that are capable of carrying out not only the mission, but in directing that mission as well. >> so many 7fascinating parts o this conversation. colonel, thank you for being with us. >> absolutely. a pleasure. >> thank you, sir. we appreciate it. >> you bet. so like all other presidents, donald trump has a military aide and he is always carrying, by his side, that so-called nuclear football. >> if he gets on a helicopter, boat, even in an elevator, that briefcase is never more than just a few steps away. question, what is inside? a former director of the white house military office says there
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19 minutes past of the hour. in a day after another group of faith leaders threw their support behind senate candidate roy moore another group of faith leaders coming forward to echo the word of his accuser. listen to what they said in birmingham. >> it is unlikely that any of moore's accusers can definitely prove that he sexually assaulted them 30 years ago upon the die -- defiant judge knows well.
this is particularly for the media to hear and where we stand at christian members. even before these allegations made national headlines, it was clear that moore's policy agenda endangered the children of alabama. >> joining us now is a rev lere lawton who is joining us. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> of course, of course. rev angie bright of the birmingham ministry calls this move of pastors coming out really against moore and on the other side of other pastors, extraordinary. she calls it unprecedented. why do you feel so strong to be a part of it? >> well, i have a great deal of compassion for all of the people of alabama and what we are concerned about are the needs of the underserved and the low
income and the poor of alabama and the policies that roy moore has put forth and republican party in alabama has resulted in a great deal of suffering. you know, we have one of the highest poverty levels of any state in the united states and we suffer a great deal of poverty and lack of resources here in the city of birmingham. so we are concerned that someone who has not supported the children and the people of alabama in the past, we have come to a point where it's really critical and we want to stand up for a compassionate alabama expansion of health care. >> what is it specifically about roy moore, though, that makes you come out against him? >> well, we are against roy moore's policies. you know?
we are concerned about roy moore. i'm sure he is suffering a great deal with accusations against him and the challenges that are there. but our concern is not so much against roy moore but against the policies that he has represented and that his party has represented here in alabama, and we think it's time that alabama move forward with a more inclusive position and concern and passion for all our people. we want someone who is strong and responsible and cares for all of the people of alabama. >> no doubt about it, there are divisions here. no doubt about it. i wanted to read a quote to you from al.com. a quote from pastor franklin radish of a ministry who said that in hollywood and elsewhere, there is a war on men going on
saying more women are sexual predators than men and women are chasing boys up and down the road and we don't hear about it because it's not pc. where does this come from? >> well, you know, we have serious sexual issues in our culture but i don't think is there a war on men. men. in that sense, there is a call for sexual responsibility in all aspects of our culture from us as christian pastors. we need to have responsible strong leaders that are going to respect the dignity and worth of all people, and relate to them in ways that reflect that kind of love and care that we represent as christian pastors. and we also want strong leaders that are going to take care of the health care of our children, will make sure all of our children get high quality public
education. we get funding for public transportation and we have living wage jobs and that our -- you know, the poverty levels here in alabama are devastating. >> yeah. do -- >> a lack of concern for that is what we are about, about policies of compassion and care for all of the people of alabama, yes, ma'am. >> when they say -- i want to switch gears here real quickly because we only have a minute left. i understand you're feature inside a documentary, reverend. a film called "a recovering racist." talk to me real quickly about that culture that you grew up in and how you've grown and how you've changed real quickly. >> well, you know, alabama has a strong history of racial problems in inequality and during the first reconstruction of blacks and whites came together to build a just society and then the white southern redeemers.
radical christian group came together to write our 1901 constitution, and remove the influence of black people from political participation and resources from them. then we had the same issue that -- >> but you've grown. you've grown. >> civil rights movement. >> how did you change your views? >> huh? well, my faith in god and god's love for all people and the dignity and worth of all personality and also the wonderful impact of the great spiritual leaders here in alabama, martin luther king, rosa parks have taught us we need to move beyond this racialized past to a new beloved community where we care for all people and, of course, a lot of that is what is behind our policies and it is that white southern redeemer religion that
is so in fact, f ect that we ass are standing up against. love loves all people and we want policies that reflect our great constitutional principles of caring for the common welfare and -- >> we are living in extraordinary times. >> and justice. >> we are live in extraordinary times. thank you so much. >> and -- >> i'm so sorry but we have run out of time but a pleasure to talk to you. thank you. >> well, thank you for having me and we appreciate you focusing on this issue on your show. thank you so much. >> thank you. democrats across roads after bill clinton's past is part of the current conversation about sexual harassment. also, there is a democratic senator who suggested that he should have resigned after the lewinsky affair. is the party's relationship with the clinton's changing? prudential asked these couples: how much money do you think you'll need in retirement?
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which egg has better taste only eggland's best. and is the only egg i'll serve my family? eggland's best. better taste, better nutrition, better eggs. we are thankful to have you here. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. president and former secretary clinton made a trip down memory lane as they celebrated the 25th anniversary of the president's election. but the current administration was clearly part of the conversation. secretary of state clinton took the opportunity to talk about the president's favorite topics, at least one of them. >> you know, i'm going to keep speaking out. apparently, you know, my former
opponent is obsessed with my speaking out. apparently there was another somebody told me tweet today. honestly, between tweeting and golfing, how does he get anything done? i don't understand it. so maybe that -- maybe that is the whole point. >> the clintons appearance come at a difficult time for a lot of people in politics in light of the sexual assault allegations on capitol hill. some say the president's past is coming back to haunt democrats. you may read that in some opinion pieces this weekend. some feel force to condemn his history of sexual misconduct but how much is defending or abandoning his past helping the democratic party's prospects in 2018 and beyond? join me to discuss is mark lamont hill and president obama's regional director theron
johnson. some enjoy hillary clinton's clap back of the president and all of the tweets. counted 37 since inauguration and some would like the clinton to see stop and enjoy their retirement. is that problematic for democrats? >> i don't think it's problematic for democrats. in general, it would be. because in general, there sort of unwritten rule and cultural ritual in american politics that former presidents and even many people who run against presidents do not speak out against the sitting president. in other words, you won't see obama or bush or someone else speak out against the person in office but trump has ushered in an entirely new era of politics. trump continues to needle people he has already defeated in elections and trump continues to attack president obama in many interesting and problematic ways so it's not uncommon for hillary
clinton or bill clinton or the bushes speak back. it's almost ness. i think what hillary clinton is doing is galvanizing the base. the idea of critiquing donald trump is not only reason but also necessary at this moment. >> i agree with mark. listen. whenever you see donald trump talking about hillary clinton he is distracting us from the real issues that the american people care about. this is a president who is under investigation for russian interference in his election and i think at a time where the clinton's have paid a tremendous amount of debt to the party and been holding us up for 20 plus years now, i think as we go into the future we have got to rally and get more young people and more people involved. i think that hillary clinton is not going to stop criticizing this president. we remember a time when mitt romney was defeated by president obama and mitt romney will hold fund-raisers and oftentimes appear publicly criticizing president obama. i think it's very fair for
hillary clinton to continue to talk about the issues that matter most to the american people and at a time when we got a president that wakes up every morning trying to figure out how he can divide this country. i think we should speak out against it. >> tharon, this week, new york senator kirsten gillibrand told "the new york times" that by to do's standard, former president clinton should have resigned after the entire lewinsky affair. now in the context of the conversation we are having nationally about sexual harassment and sexual misconduct, take hear that from a senator who accepted support, accepted endorsements, accepted fund-raising from hillary clinton, bill clinton as well, is the relationship, the big question here between the democratic party and the clinton's changing? >> any sexual misconduct or sexual harassment should be basically investigated and all of these women should feel totally comfortable coming forward and talking about their
horrific experience. whi what the senator is saying we live in a different time now. back then, the president was impeached. he was not removed from office because he was not removed from the senate votes. but i think what she is trying to say in 2017 where you just see 19 plus accusers coming out against president trump and all of these 30 plus accusers coming out against roy moore, it's people have to be a little more sensitive and more responsible. the bottom line if there is new evidence that comes out against bill clinton about some of these past allegations of these women and these accusers it should be litigated and fully looked into but we cannot get to the point of continuing to negotiate things that happened in the past. the bottom line is we have a president who we have a republican nominee for senator in alabama that is currently under investigation. >> you have one al franken who will soon be under a senate ethics investigation. marc, let me come to you on this question. not the first time a nominee or there has been someone accused in politics of sexual misconduct
or sexual harassment and the clinton's name has come up. but now you have a sitting member of the senate saying, yeah, he should have resigned. is this a new relationship? a new characterization and new framing of the clinton's in this environment? >> it is. i don't want to call it a profile. the clinton's have been out of office for a while now. i'm not sure if you see that same honesty and political courage fountain clinton's had something to offer people at this current moment and speaking about the democratic party. nevertheless this is a different moment and hopefully, a brighter moment where victims of sexual misconduct and sexual harassment can speak freely. even if it's 30 years later we should listen and believe them and i'm glad it's happening and i hope the moments don't act again because you can't issue an apology and keep your job. because you can't just deny it and demonize the aaccusers. it's a new moment and something
we must do as americans citizens. all citizens everywhere and not just politicians but it's not about the clinton's but about everybody. >> senator al franken this week admitted to groping and apologized for groping leann tweeden who is a television host, a news anchor also on this uso tour before the senator took office. he and others have called for this senate ethics investigation that will likely happen. but we have two cnn democratic analysts, sellers and sanders, who say that al franken should resign. what do you say? >> i agree. it's one of those things where our grander principles have to trump the urgency of politics at the moment. i understand why people don't want to lose a seat or don't want to lose what has been at least absent this issue of principle senator who has attempted to readdress important policy issues in america and i
don't agree with al franken on everything but at least he has been a solid member of the senate for those who identify is aas democrat. this is a bigger issue and resignation would signal to the american people the democratic party is principled on this issue that we don't prioritize winning an election or winning a vote or winning an initiative over the lives, the bodies, the stories of women. i think it's important for al franken to resoon and i think it's necessary. a shift not in american politics but culture in life and must do it now. >> do you think he should resign? >> i do and i think roy moore should resign. a time you've taken office to be ethical and in this stance and immediate to apologize is a distraction to the party and more importantly for the progress of america. >> thank you both. >> thank you. so up next, "saturday night live" spoofing attorney general jeff sessions. this time regarding his house
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a presidential election cycle, it seems this has continued over their break and now into their new season and they are spot on with it. >> a side effect of our permanent campaign, right? as you were mentioning hillary clinton earlier this hour, how she was saying that president trump is obsessed with her. all of this material, of course, benefiting "snl" and other late night shows. i got to say when alec baldwin is not on "snl" it feels like something is missing. last night, he wasn't there playing president trump. the show is not quite the same without him. we actually have a special documentary coming up tomorrow about late night in the age of trump. we took a look at baldwin as trump. here is a preview. ♪ >> reporter: it's debate night on "snl." october 2016, this was alec baldwin's debut at donald trump. >> our jobs are fleeing this country! they are going to mexico! they are going to gina!
>> reporter: after that night, rendition of trump was forever cemented in america's psyche. >> and number four! [ screaming ] donald! >> "saturday night live" has a permanent character. they always have presidents but this is now this, you know, iconic, "saturday night live" character. a lot of it is just funny and all credit goes to trump for that. he sets that up. >> it's "saturday night live"! >> reporter: trump gave "snl" a record shattering season. >> come on over here to daddy. >> i think alec baldwin is brilliant. folks get upset when he portrays donald trump but you know what i learned? man, you don't cut funny. >> reporter: trump avoid should emgra embrace these characters? >> absolutely. they should invite him to the white house. >> reporter: i like that. you do what is funniest on these shows. that is our documentary on
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we wondered, could you can bread? by god, you can. this is rumbabas which is a bread in the sense it uses yeast and we canned them and now, watch what happens when we open it up. isn't that awesome? >> it's really good. and how long will it stay in there? >> nine months and it -- >> i could have perfectly fresh bread in nine months if i just pop the top of that thing. >> victor's hungry. >> i had egg whites this porning and th -- morning and that looks so much better. >> hey, make some great memories as we head into the holiday week. thank you so much for being with us. "inside politics" starts right
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