tv CNN Newsroom With Brooke Baldwin CNN November 20, 2017 11:00am-12:00pm PST
pacific time right here on cnn. >> coming up this hour, the white house briefing and there is a lot for press secretary sarah sanders to discuss from roy moore to the president's response to leaving ucla's students in china. it all begins right now. jim sciutto, we'll take it from here. good to be with you. i'm brooke bolduan. you're watching cnn. moments from now the white house briefing will begin and the president has a lot to answer for after another tweet storm. he is attacking a wide range of targets from republican senator jeff flake to elephant trophy hunters to the father of one of three ucla basketball players released from chinese custody after shoplifting and in that case the president expresses regret for helping to free those young men. we'll get into that and more, but first to the breaking news this afternoon. amid the ongoing nuclear standoff, president trump just made a massive announcement today regarding north korea.
>> the united states is designating north korea as a state sponsor of terrorism. it should have happened a long time ago. it should have happened years ago. in addition to threatening the world by nuclear devastation, north korea has repeatedly supported acts of international terrorism including assassinations on foreign soil. >> so let me bring in head of the woodrow wilson international center for scholars and former california congresswoman. a pleasure to have you on. welcome. >> thank you, brooke. so designating north korea as a state sponsor of terror. how significant is that? >> it's a big deal, and it's sad that the news is going to move to tweets. this should be the centerpiece of president trump's day. it was worked on by rex tillerson. kudos to our secretary of state who worked behind the scenes with all of the countries in the region to support this effort
and it's clearly justified. it's legal to do this. north korea was on the state sponsor of terrorism list until it was removed in 2008 by president george w. bush. it's good that it's back and the activity that it's engageded in that i worry about most is proliferation of missile and possibly nuclear technology and there's every reason in the world to think that that has happened and could happen. >> the congresswoman for people listening, wondering why the heck would president trump have taken him off the state sponsor list. why would that be? >> well, my understanding at the time was he was hoping that would mack them more friendly. oops, none of our gestures over three administrations starting with clinton, then bush, then obama to make nice have workeded. so i applaud president trump for being tough. i think this kind of tough sanctions hopefully will lead to a diplomatic breakthrough. >> how do you think pyongyang, kim jong-un responds to this
news? >> he's been quiet lately. very interestingly, when president trump was in south korea, was there a prediction that he would launch a missile or do something even worse. >> he didn't. >> he has aren't responded to the provocative tweet and my view is that not only it is as reported, the track to diplomacy going on in some level with the north koreans, probably in new york around the u.n., but also that he's playing a bigger game or hopefully he's playing a bigger game. the annihilation of his regime and his country is not an outcome he seeks. >> so you don't attribute kim jong-un's reticence or lack of missile action in the last couple of weeks to president trump's tough rhetoric, congresswoman? >> well, i don't think the tweets are helpful, but i think that the trip that president trump took was successful in some ways. it was not successful on trade. it was not successful on human rights, but he did make north korea his top priority. he talked to all of the
countries in the region about north korea and all of them have individually been ratcheting up sanks again sanks sanctions against north korea which have to be considered on a multilateral basis, but i think the north korea strategy that i'm seeing lately is a very responsible strategy. >> lastly, let me just return your attention to the president's actual announcement. he said that north korea has been responsible for assassinations on foreign soil. now we know about the murder of kim jong-un's half-brother. are there other killings that the president is referring to here? >> you know, i can't speak for him. i'm sure that's one that he was referring to that was not on north korean soil, but i think the highest priority or the thing we have to focus on most with north korea is proliferation of missile and nuclear technology. the third party's possibly terror groups which wouldn't hesitate to use those things if
they manage it and think tactical nukes or dirty nukes which would be the catastrophic weapon to transfer to a terror organization. >> jane harm aan, thank you so much. now to the back and forth between the president and lavar ball. this is the outspoken father of liangelo ball, one of the three athletes from ucla who was freed from chinese detention after shoplifting some louis vuitton sunglasses when they were over in china. so the president has now tweeted, quoting him, now that the three basketball players are out of china and saved from years in jail lavar ball, the father of liangelo is unaccepting of what i did for his son, and that shoplifting is no big deal. i should have left them in jail. cnn white house correspondent abby phillips is with me live on this, so before we even react to what the president just said, let's go to the back story.
what did lavar ball say about president trump? >> yeah, brooke, well, this is a really big clash of two massive personalities. lavar ball taking it all of the way back when his sons returned home essentially said in an interview that he didn't think that president trump had done anything for him, and president trump had already made it very clear that he wanted thanks, and he asked for the three basketball players to come out and thank him for what he did to help them. they did that, but lavar ball was very much not on the same page. the president tweeting yesterday the tweet that you just read, but also again this morning tweeting to lavar ball that shoplifting is a very big deal in china as it should be. five to ten years in jail, but not to the father of lavar ball should have gotten my son out during my next trip to china, instead. china told they were released, very ungrateful. so president trump not letting this one go and reviving yet
another sports feud on social media yet again. in a second tweet, completely unrelated to the ucla basketball players you have the president reviving the nfl anthem protest, this time talking about marshawn lynch, oakland raiders player who stood apparently for the mexican national anthem, but sat for the united states national anthem. the president is very much unhappy about that and wants the nfl to fire him. the nfl actually has not responded to the president's comment and suggestions that they should go ahead and suspend him, but again with all of the stuff going on, north korea, roy moore, taxes this is what the president woke up to this morning. >> this is a window, perhaps into the president's headspace, but back to, abby, that the ucla tweet, right? i should have left them, whatever it was. left them in the chinese jail. you think about the broader
takeaway from this tweet. the need for president trump to be thanked, to be praised. i want to jog everyone's memory back to howard stern for this. >> i, actually, think that this is something that it's going to be very detrimental to his mental health, too, because he wants to be liked. he wants to be loved. he wants people to cheer for him and all of this hatred and stuff directed toward him -- it's not good for him. it's not good, and it's -- listen, there's a reason every president who leaves the office has gray hair. >> do you think howard stern, abby, someone who has known president trump, donald trump for years and years and years here in new york is on to something? >> reporter: and we've heard similar comments from other friends of the president over the course of the last several months. president trump is still a very polarizing, political figure.
sure, plenty of his supporters really, really love him, but a lot of folks on the other side do not and we've heard repeatedly from the president that he wants to get more credit for the work that he thinks that he's done. on the ucla players, i think this is a real triumph for him, getting these folks back into the united states. it was something that was a very positive note off of this asia trip, but the desire for praise for an american president doing what is essentially part of the job description, advocating for american citizens who are in trouble abroad is unusual, certainly. >> but howard stern soundbite, i think it speaks the need for the president and you've been covering him, abby. >> yeah. >> this need to get credit, right? be thanked. beloved. >> and yeah. what you see from a lot of folks who work in his cabinet, you remember a couple of months ago when there was an infamous cabinet meeting in which almost
every single person around the table thanked and praised the president. it's very common. this is definitely something that he wants and he's made that very clear in this situation and several others over the past several months. white house aides always talk about his belief that he's being treated unfairly, that he's not getting the credit that he deserves and in this case, is taking the fight to the father of an american college player who was detained abroad. nothing is too small for president trump to engage with on social media. >> let's move on and let me ask you about this one comment from the white house, and you know the president has yet to fully weigh in on the sexual assault allegations facing the alabama senate candidate roy moore. his adviser, kellyanne conway was on tv earlier today and she suggested that the white house wants roy's vote on the tax bill. >> doug in alabama, folks, don't be fooled.
he'll be a vote against tax cuts. >> so vote roy moore? >> i'm telling you, we want the votes in the senate to get this tax bill through. >> so that's also a stark differentiation from what kellyanne conway said a couple of days ago, regarding these accusations and roy moore. so now it's all about all right, get him in the senate because we need another no vote or rather a yes vote. >> reporter: right. >> the white house is trying to tledz a line here and have it both ways. they don't want to say they don't support roy moore or that they do support roy moore, but by encouraging voters to go out and vote -- to not vote for his democratic opponent they're essentially saying they'll vote with us on taxes and at the same time, interestingly, roy moore is such, he's so much against
the gop establishment and it is unclear that roy moore would be that reliable of a vote in the senate. at the same time, the white house is not being entirely clear, but president trump's endorsement stance, when roy moore went on twitter and saying that he's not going to make america great again. he seems like a great guy, and yesterday the white house legislative director was asked on the sunday morning programs where president trump's endorsement stood. he would not say whether trump had pulled that endorsement or not. so as we get closer to this actual election day, you're hearing more and more from the white house about the practicality of this. they want that last vote in the senate so that they could get their tax reform bill by the end of this year. >> they want it by christmas. it's a self-imposed deadline. abby phillips, thank you so much from the white house. minute away from the white house daily briefing. we'll take that live. speaking of roy moore, first of
his abusers is breaking her silence giving an emotional account of her experience as a then 14-year-old target, hear her story in her own words. also ahead, jared kushner's attorneys say his client is a hero in possible russian meddling. hear why and what he thinks of senate investigators. and breaking news today. a new clue in the desperate search for a missing submarine. crews detecting sounds they say seem like banging against the hull of a sub. a known method to signal for help. new details ahead here on cnn. watch me. ♪ i've tried lots of things for my joint pain. now? watch me. ♪ think i'd give up showing these guys how it's done? please. real people with active psoriatic arthritis are changing the way they fight it... they're moving forward with cosentyx®. it's a different kind of targeted biologic.
it's proven to help people find less joint pain and clearer skin. don't use if you are allergic to cosentyx. before starting cosentyx you should be checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms of an infection. or if you have received a vaccine, or plan to. if you have inflammatory bowel disease tell your doctor if symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic reactions may occur. with less joint pain, watch me. for less joint pain and clearer skin, ask your rheumatologist about cosentyx. for her compassion and care. he spent decades fighting to give families a second chance. but to help others, they first had to protect themselves. i have afib. even for a nurse, it's complicated... and it puts me at higher risk of stroke. that would be devastating. i had to learn all i could to help protect myself. once i got the facts, my doctor and i chose xarelto®. xarelto®... to help keep me protected. once-daily xarelto®, a latest-generation blood thinner... ...significantly lowers the risk of stroke
in people with afib not caused by a heart valve problem. it has similar effectiveness to warfarin. xarelto® works differently. warfarin interferes with at least 6 blood-clotting factors. xarelto® is selective, targeting just one critical factor interacting with less of your body's natural blood-clotting function. for afib patients well-managed on warfarin, there is limited information on how xarelto® compares in reducing the risk of stroke. don't stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, as this may increase risk of stroke. while taking, you may bruise more easily, or take longer for bleeding to stop. it may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. xarelto® can cause serious, and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. get help right away for unexpected bleeding, unusual bruising, or tingling. if you've had spinal anesthesia, watch for back pain or any nerve or muscle-related signs or symptoms. do not take xarelto® if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. tell your doctor before all planned medical or dental procedures... ...and before starting xarelto®-about any conditions, such as kidney, liver, or bleeding problems. it's important to learn all you can... ...to help protect yourself from a stroke. talk to your doctor about xarelto®.
there's more to know™. ♪ this holiday, the real gift isn't what's inside the box. it's what's inside the person who opens it. ♪ give ancestrydna, the only dna test that can trace your origins to over 150 ethnic regions... ♪ ...and open up a world of possibilities. ♪ save 20% for the holidays at ancestrydna.com. duncan just protected his family with a $500,000 life insurance policy. how much do you think it cost him? $100 a month? $75? $50? actually, duncan got his $500,000 for under $28 a month. less than $1 a day! his secret? selectquote. in just minutes a selectquote agent will comparison shop nearly a dozen highly rated life insurance companies, and give you a choice of your five best rates.
duncan's wife cassie got a $750,000 policy for under $21 per month. give your family the security it needs, at a price you can afford. since 1985, selectquote has saved over a million families millions of dollars on life insurance. we're back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke bolduan. president trump hoping senators
are getting into the holiday spirit ahead of their vote on a republican tax bill. >> we're going to give the american people a huge tax cut for christmas, hopefully that will be a great, big, beautiful christmas present. >> great, big, beautiful christmas present, yeah, but one of the republican senators who the president needs to get the tax bill passed caught on a microphone saying this about the president. >> come the party of roy moore and donald trump. we already proposed. >> the president is firing back. senator jeff flaky with the "y," according to the president who is unelectable was caught purposely on mike saying bad things about your favorite president. he'll be a no on tax cuts because his political career anyway is "toast."
david is a writer for u.s. news and world report. good to see you. >> and you. >> a couple of a sussumptions i the tweet, jeff says no, no, no. i wasn't caught. the most important piece is the assumption of the no vote. should the president in needing all of the yeses he can get not to say he's a no and saying how we get him. >> now jeff flake doesn't have any kwqualms about opposing the president because he's want running for reelection and it's a dangerous game for president trump to play and you've got senator corker. these guys are both conservatives that laid out their main problem with any bill would be that it's not deficit neutral, that it adds to the deficit going forward. they couldn't get onboard with that. so i think they're very, very dicey, and trump is playing with fire, sort of picking at them. they're very mad with the
president and he takes the littlest thing for them to say, you know what? hopefully not, they're obviously voting for what's best for the party, but guys, throw the senators up on the screen because i want you, sir, to go through these and dicey on corker and flake and walk me through these wild cards. >> interesting that johnson was the first one out as a no to wisconsin that the state carried. >> he said he wanted to yes and still could get to yes and a lot of this will depend on what happens in the senate and the house and collins is interesting because these always the most likely no and the most moderate and remember, if they include the repeal of obamacare which is in the senate bill she's definitely going to be a no because she was repealing the obamacare. corker and flake we touched on just with the personal grudges with the president and then you've got john mccain. >> who was the thumbs down on that. >> thumbs down on obamacare, no fan of trump and consistent critic and they have two more
hard conservatives in rand paul, because rand paul is donald trump's golfing buddy, but he's -- this is a guy who is a maverick in his own party on his own right and in the opposite spectrum of the pain and murkowski who i would put in the collins bucket as a moderate who will need a hard sell on our tax cuts coming to alaska. she's obviously very focused on her state. so, look, he can only lose two. look at all those senators. that's dicey. >> they're done. >> now perhaps the white house realizes that some of the diceyness in the equation and you have the omb director mick mulvaney on with jake tapper yesterday with significant news and we'll play the sound essentially saying that the white house will be okay if they needed to pull that obamacare individual mandate out of this. it was in the senate version of the bill. this is what he said. >> i don't think anybody doubts where the white house is with repealing and replacing
obamacare. we absolutely want to do it. if we can repeal part of obamacare as part of the tax bill and to have a tax bill that is still a good tax bill that can pass, that's great. if it becomes an impediment with taking a good tax bill, we can, and we'll be good at taking it out. if they keep the repeal in the senate bill, it's hard to see they get collins and murkowski. to me, they would most likely lose those two and then they're at a tie ball game and then you have the alabama picture in all of this, right? the special election's december 12th. if republicans lose that seat and if this vote doesn't take place prior to that, you could have a democrat flipping a seat. so that's the other calculation that goes to kellyanne conway's comment earlier this morning we need a republican senator in alabama even though it wasn't a full-fledged endorsement, they're on a tough time line as well with the december 12th.
>> it's all about the numbers. they can have two nos and with the vice president it's a tiebreaker. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> jared cush perkushner's lawy accusing that they're playing gotcha games and he's a hero when it comes to russian meddling and we'll hear his explanation and whether it actually makes sense. more people shop online for the holidays than ever before. and the united states postal service delivers more of those purchases to homes than anyone else in the country. because we know, even the smallest things are sometimes the biggest.
even the smallest things [he has a new business teaching lessons. rodney wanted to know how his business was doing... ...so he got quickbooks. it organizes all his accounts, so he can see his bottom line. ahhh...that's a profit. know where you stand instantly. visit quickbooks-dot-com. we're on a mission to show drip coffee drinkers, it's time to wake up to keurig. wakey! wakey! rise and shine! oh my gosh! how are you? well watch this. i pop that in there. press brew. that's it. so rich. i love it. that's why you should be a keurig man! full-bodied. are you sure you're describing the coffee and not me?
they always refer to me as master sergeant. full-bodied. they really appreciate the military family, and it really shows. we've got auto insurance, homeowners insurance. had an accident with a vehicle, i actually called usaa before we called the police. usaa was there hands-on very quick very prompt. i feel like we're being handled as people that actually have a genuine need. we're the webber family and we are usaa members for life. usaa, get your insurance quote today. morning on the beach until... it... wasn't. don't let type 2 diabetes get between you and your heart. because your risk of heart attack or stroke
successor is seated, yellen's term set to expire in 2024. she was appointed by former senator barack obama. president trump has nominated the current fed governor jerome powell to be the next chair. new developments now and a new pushback into possible collusion between the russian government and the trump campaign. the senate judiciary committee is accusing prdzesident trump's son-in-law for not disclosing information about wikileaks. kushner's attorney says the investigation has totally become political and that they are now playing this gotcha game with his client. >> in my communications with the senate judiciary committee i said take these documents and let's talk about what else is relevant. they jumped the gun to make a media event and any perception that mr. kushner has been not only cooperative, but if you look at the contents of the e-mails he's the hero.
that's what the senate judiciary committee should pay attention to and not create some sort of partisan gotcha game. >> let me bring in cnn analyst, and shimon prokupecz. shimon, just to you first on the reporting of all of this, remind us about the documents and the committee -- what the committee wants from kushner. >> right. in this letter, basically that was sent to kushner's lawyer, kushner hasn't been forthcoming leaving out documents and information about communications with the former national security adviser michael flynn. they want more information on his security clearance forms which he's had to amend several times. there are e-mails concerning wiki leaks and e-mails in which he rejected a dinner invite that kushner rejected a dinner invite from a russian official, and as you just played that sound, his lawyer says kushner's been cooperating and all of this is kind of gotcha demands from the senators. now there are also interviews
planned as we've been reporting of some of the closest aides to the president including hope hicks who is the communications director. she's expected to be interviewed by the special counsel team along with don mcgahn and we are awaiting word as to whether other people close to jared kushner will be part of the group that is eventually interviewed by the special counsel. >> shimon, i'll come back to you in a second and commenting on abby lowell, the kushner attorney calling his client a hero. is he a hero? >> i think jared kushner could be a hero if he finally gets president trump to hold russia accountable for their direct attack on the united states. right now we have a situation where kushner's lawyer is saying that kushner told people in the campaign not to have contact with foreign officials and not to take meetings with foreign officials. the fact of the matter is, however, that the administration which kushner is a part of hasn't imposed any costs on russia for their election
interference. president trump went to vietnam a week or so ago, didn't confront putin on his election meddling and we have sanctions that are due to come in e if ekt in january and kushner could recommend that trump impose his own time. >> didn't this go from no, no, no, no, we didn't talk to the russians and yeah, we did talk to the russians and everything is g-rated. nothing to see here. >> there are inconsistencies with what contact they had with foreign officials, when they had it and what it was about. the counsel is looking into that. what is very clear is the russian government tried through multiple channels to contact the campaign and they were successful. >> there are officials about to be interviewed in the coming weeks. who are they? >> there are interviews expected. hope hicks is of particular interest to everyone right now. she's one of the president's closest aides. she's been by his side for years working for the trump
organization, the campaign, and now the white house communications director. hicks has been with the president during some key moments which are new under investigation by the special counsel. don mcgahn thenn, the white hou lawyer. he was present during the comey firing and all issues by investigation by mueller. one of the places where hope hicks comes into play and josh raffel is they were aboard the air force one meeting where a statement was crafted by the president and sort of a misleading statement about don junior's meeting with a russian lawyer and these, you know, that is part of the investigation now that is being conducted by the special counsel, that statement,
and that meeting at trump tower with the russian lawyer. remember, she claimed that she had dirt on hillary clinton, and all of that is as expected, part of the investigation. some of the interviews, brooke, we're told, could take place this week. >> let me put the conversation in quote, the republican operative as cording to "the washington post" recorded as saying they'll get talked to. these things are thorough and deep in terms of the interviews, it is going to be a long winter program shimon and sam, thank you both so much. let's talk about roy moore, the first of his kashaccusers i breaking her silence describing what she says the senate candidate did to her when she was 14 years of age. another woman comes forward to accuse senator al franken of groping her. hear what she is telling cnn and how the senator is responding. tn twos. like t-mobile and netflix. right now when you get an unlimited family plan, netflix is included.
ho ho ho! t-mobile covers your netflix subscription... best christmas gift ever! ...so you can binge watch all year long. now you're thinking christmas! and now when you buy any of this season's hot new samsung galaxy phones, you get a second one free to gift. that's one samsung for you. and one to give. t-mobile. holiday twogether.
(hard exhalation) honey? can we do this tomorrow? (grunts of effort) can we do this tomorrow? if you have heart failure symptoms, your risk of hospitalization could increase, making tomorrow uncertain. but entresto is a medicine that was proven, in the largest heart failure study ever, to help more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine. women who are pregnant must not take entresto. it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. don't take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren. if you've had angioedema
while taking an ace or arb medicine, don't take entresto. the most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high potassium in your blood. ♪ tomorrow, tomorrow... ♪ when can we do this again, grandpa? well, how about tomorrow? ask your doctor about entresto and help make tomorrow possible. ask your doctor about entresto
which is the only egg goody enough for my family? only eggland's best. better taste. better nutrition. better eggs. senator al franken touched her inappropriately. this time the alleged incident happened while he was serving in office. she is 33-year-old lindsay menz. she tells cnn that senator franken pulled her really close and grabbed her rear end while her husband took a photo of them at the minnesota state fair in 2010. menz tells cnn that his behavior made her feel, quote, gross and disrespected. in a statement to cnn senator franken says he did not remember taking that photo with her and says he felt badly that she felt disrespected. this accusation, as you well know comes just a couple of days after a radio news anchor says franken kissed and groped her during a 2006 uso tour before he
was elected to the senate. now the first woman to publicly accuse roy moore of sexual abuse is speaking on camera for the first time. she is leigh corfman whose teenage picture you have well seen by now published in "the washington post" which broke the story wide open who says moore molested her when she was 14 years of age. she spoke out on the "today" show, and says that she did not deserve to have a 32-year-old man prey upon her, her word, and now she feels that a weight has been lifted. >> at 14 i was not dating. at 14 i was not able to make those kind of choices. i met him around the corner from my house. my mother did not know and he took me to his home. after arriving at his home on the second occasion that i went with him he basically laid out
some blankets on the floor of his living room and proceeded to seduce me, i guess, he would say, and during the course of that he removed my clothing. he left the room and came back in wearing his white underwear, and he touched me over my clothing, what was left of it, and he tried to get me to touch him, as well, and at that point i pulled back and said that i was not comfortable, and i got dressed and he took me home, but i was a 14-year-old child trying to play in an adult's world and he was 32 years old. >> it took away a lot of the specialness of, you know, interactions with men. it took some trust away. it allowed me to delve into some
things that i would, you know, wouldn't have otherwise. it took years for me to regain a sense of confidence in myself, and i felt guilty. you know, i felt like i was the one that was to blame, and it was decades before i was able to let that go. so when "the washington post "qwe"post." sought me out. i didn't go looking for this. it fell in my lap. >> she shared the story of what happened with her family and friends and she considered confronting roy moore years ago and decided against it to protect her young children. corfman said she was never paid to tell her story and speaking out his cost her. despite allegations roy moore says he is not dropping out of senate race in alabama and he has many supporters, many of whom are in the evangelical
community. one pastor told "the boston globe" that even if it turned out roy moore did, in fact, molest teenage girls and women that he would still vote for him. thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> can you just -- tell me about some of these conversations with these evangelical pastors. >> yeah. they were truly extraordinary. i had seen a list of 50 evangelical pastors that had previously supported judge moore and so then after the allegations began to come out and some serious and distressing allegations, i just decided that i would go down the list and try to get as many on the phone as possible. i ended up speaking with about ten of them and called dozens others and the ones who i have spoken with, all of them stuck by him. some of them have said that the
allegations made them more likely to vote for the judge and this happened because of a couple of reasons. some of them straight-up did not believe the women and would say disparaging, personal things about the women and some of them said that even if -- as you said, even if the judge would have sexually molested teenage girls and other women, they believe that it's still better than voting for a democrat simply because of issues like abortion, same-sex marriage and other things they find totally unacceptable even something as bad as pedophilia. >> hang on. it's taking me a minute to wrap my head around the point you're making. these are men of faith. >> uh-huh. >> how can they -- how is it that ideology for them trumps criminality in some cases and personal transgressions? >> so they would coming from it from two ways. one is they would cast a lot of doubt on the allegations against judge moore saying that they
didn't believe the women, that it had taken them too long to come forward, that the women in some cases, they had seen stories that made them not believe the reputation of the women and on the other hand, even if it was true, then i would still vote for him because the worst thing, in my book, one pastor told me, that the worst thing in his book would be to support someone who is for full-term abortion or same-sex marriage like democrat doug jones and multiple other pastors told me straight-up that even if the judge were to have committed these serious acts that partisanship and supporting the other social conservative was the most important thing for them. >> let me ask you quickly, and then i'm going to let you go. this wasn't a pastor you talked to and al.com talked to franklin radish. >> i talked to him, as well. >> of course, you did. you talked to these different people. >> he said these accusations is quote, a war on men and
morewomen are sexual predators than men. how does he explain that? >> he told plme the same thing. he used anecdotes that if you see women on the streets they're sometimes dressed provocatively and they're trying to attract the attention of young men. i pushed back on this and i said the overwhelming sexual predators and throughout the country and the legal system are men, but this is not something he was really interested in hearing. this is the same pastor that used several racial terms in the conversations with me saying that judge moore was being lynched in the public square saying that senator mitch mcconnell and john mccain in calling for judge moore to step down were being, quote, political field hands in the picking cotton of the democratic plantation. >> wowza! >> a lot of those quotes were astonishing and frankly, kind of shocking. >> listen, i'm glad you picked up the phone and called them. this is a part of the population
we need to hear from and a lot of these folks are the ones voting in alabama. astead herndon, thank you so much from the boston globe. >> you got it. >> coming up next, the leader of a murdererous cult charles manson dies behind bars and we'll talk to a who was just 14 when she was indoctrinated into his cult.
manser family has died. he was responsible for the tate and labianca murders in 1969. he was dwoen for his iron-gripped sway over drifters and mostly young women. he called them the children when cnn interviewed him in 1987. >> it's, like, the same thing goes with the same disposition with the children of the tate-labianca fame. they were soldiers fighting for this country, but only in a different perspective that your society can't seem to get it through its head that your children can only function and reflect what you put down in their brains! if you put something down in your children's brains and they raise up with you andiery ruben's up there saying come on, kid, kill your mother and dad. come on, kids, kill your mother and dad. and then you say the kids are allr
and dad. and then you say the kids are all messed up. >> with me now, diane lake, the youngest former member of the manson family and also is deborah herman who co-authored with lake this book "member of the family" life inside the cult and the darkness that ended the '60s. thank you so much for being with me. diane, let me begin with you. you were his youngest cult follower. you were just 14. you weren't involved with any of the murders and ended up playing a role as a key witness in the trial and the manser story is in so many ways also your story. how did you feel when you heard he died? >> relief. >> why? >> a sense -- because for too long he has played the media. i think he has enjoyed his role,
you know, as the icon of evil and the crimes that he, you know, instigated against some really innocent people including the people that he mind controlled to do the dirty work is just such a travesty. i think that -- i'm hoping that this will be one less bogeyman in our -- in our history. >> can you still feel that pull? can you remember back to being a teenager and how you were drawn in by him? >> i can, but i wonder now that, you know, i'm 50 years older, how that -- i understand how it could have happened, but -- and it also helps me to understand that the mind of a 14-year-old is definitely not that of an adult although most 14-year-olds think they're adults.
>> you helped her a year. >> oh, yeah. >> writing the book. there have been so many books and documentaries out on this man in these, i don't know, last couple of years. what have you learned about him that surprised you? >> seeing the manson story unfold through the eyes and experiences and memories of diane was the most unique position to be in. i'd always wondered who would wind up with charles manson, and i also as we wrote the book together, thought about there, but for the grace of god go i and many people he in the beginning looked like any other new age or '60s guru. people are very impressionable. they were looking for answers. the most surprising thing was for me to see through diane's eyes his dissent into what i consider further madness, and how he took so many people with
him, and how down was up and up was down, but as a lawyer journalist, the best thing for me, if there is a best thing is looking at all of the pre-trial motions and the actual transcripts of the trial to see how he really was a formidable opponent. he was a scary brilliant in a manipulative way, and it surprised me how he was able to get away with the things he did during the trial. it wasn't just as -- people have the interest of the murderers and the trial and they ded kit their lives to it, but if you really analyzed how things unfolded, he bettered people with great education and brilliance and he was able to fool them. he's a master manipulator. >> how did you, diane, this last question, become unfooled? how did you come to your senses? >> well, being in jail was
helpful and hearing people say those poor girls are never going to make it, and i hadn't taken any drugs, and so i finally felt safe enough to tell them my real name, my real age and then they separated me, and i became a ward of the court, spent time in a hospital and my arresting officer took me in as a foster child and really gave me some self-worth. all of those instances gave me self-worth and prepared me to face him in trial, and facing him in trial was like my final milestone in moving on, you know, and realizing the player he was. >> i think you said it best at the top. relief. relief is what you felt knowing
that charles manson is no more. diane and deborah, thank you both so much. thank you. >> you're welcome. just into us here at cnn, some positive news for president trump and the fate of his republican tax bill. senator rand paul saying he will likely be a yes vote now. there are others holding out. the white house briefing is moment away. o an enterprise. that's why i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. now, i'm earning unlimited 2% cash back on every purchase i make. everything. what's in your wallet?
we're on a mission to show drip coffee drinkers, it's time to wake up to keurig. wakey! wakey! rise and shine! oh my gosh! how are you? well watch this. i pop that in there. press brew. that's it. so rich. i love it. that's why you should be a keurig man! full-bodied. are you sure you're describing the coffee and not me?
full-bodied. ♪ and it might be hard ♪ what ito handle ♪ve got ♪ but like the flame that burns the candle ♪ ♪ the candle feeds the flame topped steak & twisted potatoes at applebee's. eatin' good in the neighborhood. they always refer to me as master sergeant. they really appreciate the military family, and it really shows. we've got auto insurance, homeowners insurance. had an accident with a vehicle, i actually called usaa before we called the police. usaa was there hands-on very quick very prompt. i feel like we're being handled as people that actually have a genuine need. we're the webber family and we are
usaa members for life. usaa, get your insurance quote today. welcome back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke bolduan. thank you for being with me. we are watching very closely that white house podium waiting to see sarah sanders. a briefing is expected to begin any moment now. we also just got some breaking news in to cnn on the republican tax reform effort. so our senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny is here to join me with that news. the president has now won over one more of those republican senators. who is he? >> senator rand paul, the republican from kentucky, tells our lauren fox that he is likely to support the tax plan moving through the senate