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does result in sanctions, have much of a practical impact. what i think they're trying to do is make is easier for third party nation states to continue to squeeze north korea, in particular china. china has done a lot and they should get credit for that but they can do more. i think that's what this is about. >> okay. admiral kirby, thank you so much. >> you bet. >> thank all of you for being with me. "the lead" with jim sciutto starts now. this is cnn breaking news. welcome to "the lead." i'm jim sciutto in today for jake. breaking news in our politics lead. president trump is finally speaking out about embattled alabama senate candidate roy moore and his comments really just remarkable. just moments ago, the president gave the man accused of sexually abusing a 14-year-old girl his support in the alabama senate race. and by backing moore, the president is bucking most of his party's leadership who have called for moore to withdraw from the race after at least
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eight women, that's right, eight women came forward to accuse him of sexual misconduct when they were just teenagers. cnn washington correspondent ryan nobles joins me now live from the white house. ryan was there. ryan, the president in effect here endorsing roy moore for the senate? >> reporter: i think that's a pretty safe assessment of what just happened here at the white house, jim. and just a few weeks ago, the president himself called the allegations against roy moore troubling. one of his top advisers kellyanne conway said that no senate seat was worth a child. well, a bit of a difference of opinion today from the president when he was asked about roy moore and that race in alabama. take a listen to what the president had to say. >> we don't need a liberal person in there, a democrat, jones. i've looked at his record. it's terrible on crime. it's terrible on the border. it's terrible in the military. i can tell you for a fact, we do not need somebody that's going to be bad on crime, bad on borders, bad with the military, bad for the second amendment.
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>> mr. president, is an accused child molester better than the president? >> well, he denies it. look, he deny it is. if you look at what is really going on and you look at all of the things that have happened over the last 48 hours, he totally denies it. he says it didn't happen and, you know, you have to listen to him also. you're talking about -- he said 40 years ago this did not happen so, you know. >> mr. president? >> i'll be letting you know next week, but i can tell you you don't need somebody who is soft on crime like jones. >> do you not believe the accusers? >> reporter: and this is a change for the president and the white house. for the last several weeks the line from the administration has been that they want the voters of alabama to decide who their next senator should be and that they refused to weigh in on the allegations and whether or not they believe the accusers. well today the president taking matters into his own hands, jim,
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effectively telling the people of alabama that he prefers the republican over the democrat, despite the accusations that he abused children around the age of 14. jim? >> you might say more than effectively, directly telling the people of alabama that. ryan, the president went even further in this embrace of moore, saying that he might campaign for him. >> reporter: that's right. he certainly left open the possibility of that happening, jim, and you remember back during the senate primary there in alabama, the president's preferred candidate luther strange lost pretty badly to roy moore, but during that campaign the president said that he planned to come back and campaign like hell for whoever won that senate race, and that would include roy moore. when asked today if that's a possibility, he said he would have to let us know next week. it's important to point out the democrat in that race, doug jones, is running an ad that quotes the president's daughter, ivanka trump, saying there is a special place in hell for people who prey on children. talking about the roy moore camp -- roy moore as a candidate
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and the allegations. would be quite the juks positxtn if the president were to stand side by side with roy moore in alabama feature in that ad featuring his daughter. jim? >> ryan nobles, thanks very much. my panel here with me now. listen, i want to shake my head but these are the times we live in. this is the current political environment we live in. mary katherine, if i could start with you. your reaction to the president endorsing someone not accused by one woman, but by eight women, of making sexual advances to them while they were teenagers? >> it's remarkable and it's remarkable the knots people are tying themselves into going to bat for this person who has all of these accusations against him which have all of these marks of credibility. contemporaneous reports. some of the facts line up about where the restaurant was or the courthouse was or where he was at the time. it is remarkable to me people will go to these lengths. this wasn't even trumps guy, by the way. he could have one of his favorite moments, which is an i
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told you so moment, he's chosen not to do that. we have a watershed moment for people speaking out about these things but we also have increased political tribalism at the same time and we will see which one wins out in this race. i'm afraid it's probably going to be political tribalism. >> i want to give you both a chance to respond. rebecca? >> i have to say i am a little less shocked to see the president come out and endorse roy moore today. it wasn't a full throated endorsement. he's not yet on the campaign trail for roy moore. >> 75% throated endorsement. >> i think you have to consider a few things here. first of all, donald trump has never cast himself as sort of a moral leader on issues like this. he is a proud -- >> i must say -- >> he cares about himself personally, politically. he's not someone who is going to stick out his neck out on an issue like this if there is any risk to him personally or politically. the other thing that i think is important to consider is that president trump has been in roy moore's shoes before. as a candidate accused by women
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of sexual misconduct. and he denied it. he said the women were lying. the white house today still, that is their official position, that those women were lying. certainly there is also sort of a personal relation that donald trump has for roy moore right now. you can certainly imagine he sympathizes to some extent with the situation he's in. >> neera? >> can i just step out of politics for one minute to just acknowledge that the president of the united states is endorsing a person accused of pedophilia and we're all trying to explain it? that is insane. i'm a mother of a daughter who is 15 years old. the message the president is sending to young women, to teenage girls is to never speak out when you're abused because the president of the united states will not hear you, will not believe you. that is disgusting. i don't think anyone, no single human being, no single woman, no
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single man should justify this. 51 seats, 52 seats. who cares? when you are in office, you are in office to protect children. the idea that he's talking about doug jones not being soft on crime, he's not accused of pedophilia, the guy he's endorsing is. that's soft on crime. i am sorry, but this whole experience is enraging as a parent. as a person. i don't know why -- like, it's crazy. >> don't be sorry. my daughter's only 2 so she's 12 years away from apparently being a target there, but we talked about the president in effectively endorsing roy moore. he explicitly endorses roy moore's denial over the accounts of the women, right? you heard the president say repeatedly he denies it and then he said he totally denies it, as to qualify it with greater credibility. that's the president saying i accept roy moore's account -- >> i don't believe the women. >> over eight or nine women. >> right. again, you have to think back to how donald trump handled this as a candidate and certainly that
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is informing how he views this race unfolding -- >> it's unacceptable. it's unacceptable. >> he gave himself the benefit of the doubt. he wanted voters to give him the benefit of the doubt. he's giving roy moore the benefit of the doubt here as well. >> i share your rage, neera, i do not share the surprise because politics is a disgusting business and it's been full of disgusting people for a long time. i've been enraged by the clintons and bill clinton in particular and accusations against him. i've been enraged by ted kennedy who has one of the worst records with women and john kennedy as well for that matter. we need to learn to distribute our rage equally. >> one is president right now and one is basically sanctioning a pedophile, a person accused of pedophilia -- >> the equivocation there makes me a bit ragy as well. >> let's talk about everyone -- >> applying the rage equally is actually what's good for women. >> okay. then say -- we should all say it's terrible what the president did. what he did was wrong in
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endorsing -- >> agreed. >> yes, i agree. but i'm also saying to you i don't understand how you can say it's understandable he took this position. he took a position where he said i believe -- >> i'm not. >> i believe roy moore over the eight women, one who is 14 years old with a lot of -- at the time with a lot of specificity. his own daughter believed the women. i don't understand why we don't just say it's wrong. it's wrong. >> not to mention the senate majority leader. >> the senate majority leader. republican after republican. it's just wrong. >> i want to play another comment that the president said just moments ago when he was asked about this watershed moment in the country now regarding sexual harassment and allegations in. >> our nation's history? >> women are very special. think it's a very special time because a lot of things are coming out and i think that's good for our society and i think it's very, very good for women. and i'm very happy a lot of these things are coming out. >> do you believe the accusers? >> i'm very happy it's being
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exposed. >> how doesed preside the presi the white house reconcile those comments with what the president just said seconds before? >> they don't. because he constantly says things -- he contradicts himself. this is who he is. it's on full display right there. >> what's beyond the pale, right? we ask this question repeatedly. i want to talk to you specifically about the president -- he's not accused here. it's an alabama senate candidate. you talked earlier, this is true -- this is a politically tribal moment country in this moment. a ham sandwich -- people will vote for anything -- many people will vote for any candidate of their party against anything else, right? it seems. but is there nothing beyond the pale then? >> i guess what i would say is that i actually think why the president is taking this action is probably the white house has seen polling itself in which roy moore, like the good people of alabama, enough people are saying enough. so that's what they're fighting, right? they're trying to invoke the
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tribalism against the decency of people who say pedophilia is too much for me. that's what's particularly disgusting about this whole situation. i'm sure he's taking action he was not takeing for the last couple of weeks hoping that roy moore would ride it out. he sees that he won't without his help, so he's throwing a lifeline to this person and ordinarily, roy moore was losing and donald trump may make the difference. i hope the people of alabama and the women of alabama will look at what's happening and say, you know, here is the line of decency and i'm not crossing it. >> who do you think made this decision, rebecca, mary katherine? was this the president's decision. there was reporting in advance of this he was being counsel by kellyanne or steve bannon that he shouldn't explicitly criticize roy moore. what are you hearing? was this the president's own choice? >> well, what i will say is that the president is certainly aware, jim, is that his base, hill political base is still largely with roy moore in alabama. that might not be consistent
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across all states, but he does have to consider in this case or he is considering in this case what is good for him politically. and i reported earlier or last week, rather, that steve bannon has been still engaging with influential people on the conservative side, including sean hannity, trying to at least tone down the criticism on the right of roy moore in the public sphere. trying to, as you said, throw him that lifeline. i don't think the president is listening to that as well, recognizing that there is conservative support for roy moore and he doesn't want to shoot himself in the foot politically when his approval ratings are already so low and he's already suffering so much. >> he endorsed luther strange. that's what's also weird about this. can i just say in the primary he endorsed luther strange, person he backed. you were right. he could just say i have nothing to do with this because i endorsed the other guy. when he endorsed luther strange, he said i'm endorsing luther strange because i think roy moore could lose. >> i want to go to our kaitlan
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collins who is in alabama because earlier as the president -- before the president was speaking, roy moore's campaign was waging a new fight against the media and his accusers, his attorney, his spokesman. kaitlan, they were alleging sort of a bizarre conspiracy in effect between, if i'm quoting correctly here, roy moore's accusers, the liberal media as they described it and the gop establishment. so the idea being that those three are in cahoots here against roy moore? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, jim. it felt very similar to seeing the trump campaign last year before he won the election where they were saying that they were against the media and the republican establishment. that's really what we heard from several of roy moore's allies here in montgomery, alabama, just a short while ago while the president was coming out on the south lawn making these comments about roy moore almost at the exact same time. right as they were wrapping up here. but it seemed as if roy moore's campaign already felt they had the white house's support behind
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them because they cited an interview from counselor kellyanne conway on fox news yesterday where she said that a vote for doug jones was a vote against tax reform and basically stopped short, jim, of endorsing roy moore on television. they cited that specific interview here just now. so it's no surprise that the president came out and made those comments on the south lawn because we know that kellyanne conway spoke with president trump before she went on fox news to give that interview and they were speaking about the state of the alabama senate race. but we can guarantee you pretty much now, jim, that since they have the white house's backing behind them, there is almost no chance that roy moore will drop out of this race now. >> oh, no. it was interesting, there was a lot of parsing of kellyanne conway's words yesterday, what she actually meant, was it an endorsement? as we heard from the more campaign, they certainly took that as an endorsement and moments later you had it from the president himself. tell us more about the aggressive defense put forward because, kaitlan, as i listen to that news conference, they were
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going after some of the specific details the accusers have brought up as well. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. they took two of these main allegations against roy moore from leigh corfman and beverly nelson and were rebutting specific aspects of them saying they were clearly false because they had looked into court documents and what not. we heard from one new face, ben dupree who is a chief of staff for the judge roy moore and now he was here speaking, vouching for her character and attempting to discredit these accusers, specifically leigh corfman who we know made her first television appearance yesterday on the "today" show where she went into a very detailed account of what happened when she met roy moore. she said said she was only 14 years old when she met him outside of a white house in gadsden, alabama, where he is from. let's listen to what the moore campaign has to say about her allegation. >> one of the linchpin is that moore talked to her on the phone
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in her bed proom. her own mother told breitbart news that there was no phone in her bedroom. according to public records that the media has not bothered to look at. his supposed pickup place was almost a mile away from her mother's house and would have been across a major thoroughfare. >> reporter: so you see there getting into the details there with beverly nelson. they repeated that the yearbook that she says is from roy moore, snu signature in her yearbook, they say it was fake. to her account she was a 15-year-old waitress when she was waitressing at the old hickory house, a restaurant in gadsden. they discredited her account by saying the dumpsters were not in the back of the restaurant, they were on the side of the restaurant. she said it had been very dark. they said it was a well-lit restaurant. so we really see them getting into the specific details there, jim, trying to discredit the
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accusers who they believe are threatening to derail their campaign. although this was a press conference, they did not take any questions from reporters and say they feel roy moore has sufficiently answered everyone's questions on these allegations jim. >> they sounded like defense lawyers to me. kaitlan collins, thanks very much. back to the panel. mary katherine, you know, this argument that it's the accusers, the liberal media, it's the gop establishment, that resonates, does it not? with not just republican -- well, republican voters in the country but possibly many in alabama. >> yes, it does. that's what i'm speaking to, the political tribalism. it also resonates when people hear -- the media has been untrustworthy on some sexual harassment cases in the recent past, the "rolling stone" story, the duke lacrosse case. recently nbc passing on the weinstein stuff even though it was well reported. >> the media has aggressively covered these stories. >> i'm explaining to you why people will look at that and go they've messed this up before.
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the press should check details that are checkable of these stories. they have. the "washington post" piece was very well reported. roy moore's wife, it should be said, has led the charge in posting on facebook about some of these details and claiming for instance that the restaurant in question was not open at the time the victim alleged. it in fact was if you go back and check these things. she also put out a letter saying a bunch of pastors were behind him and they later said we weren't really behind that. we should check their checking of the details as well. >> no question. that's something we're certainly pursuing aggressively on that story, as are many other media outlets. before we go. rebecca, it's been awhile since there has been a poll there. i think it was a fox news poll that put doug jones ahead 50-42. freshness of polls doesn't last that long these days. when you talk to folks involved in the campaign, what are they telling you about where they think this race stands? >> well, it's a big question and
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it's an unanswered question at this point, jim. both sides, republican and democrat, what is the electorate going to look like in the face of a major scandal like this? so usually in alabama you would expect a reliably republican white electorate, especially in a special election, not a presidential election that we're talking about here, but now because of this this has scrambled the entire conventional wisdom. nobody knows what the turnout will look like. if doug jones can get 30% of the white vote, turn out african-american voters and get to 50% overall with those people behind him, he could win this race. those are the big questions. can he reach those metrics? no one really knows on election day if democrats are going to be able to turn out their voters. >> neera, before we go. >> i would say there is a gigantic gender gap in virginia and i think the president's actions today on this case -- obviously we're talking about alabama. that there is 2018 and there is every house republican is up.
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and a lot of republicans in the senate are up. and what the president is saying today to women is that your voice doesn't count in this situation. i don't think that gender gap is going to grow larger and larger. whether it's enough in alabama, i don't know. but it strikes me if i were a suburban republican or representing suburban folks, i would be deeply worried about what the president has done and that's why i think mitch mcconnell took a different tact. >> it's a good point. you saw that in some of the key swing districts in virginia. please stick around. lots more to talk about, including reaction to explosive allegations of sexual harassment against the longest serving member of the house, a democrat. that's ahead. together, great things come in twos. like t-mobile and netflix. right now when you get an unlimited family plan, netflix is included. ho ho ho! t-mobile covers your netflix subscription... best christmas gift ever! ...so you can binge watch all year long. now you're thinking christmas! and now when you buy any of this season's hot new samsung galaxy phones,
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but first we turn toal gigs gagss of sexual misconduct. both cbs and pbs are cutting ties with charlie rose following the "washington post" report just yesterday detailing extensive allegations against the veteran newsman. cbs terminated rose's contract just today and this afternoon pbs says it has cancelled distribution of his programs. while here in washington, the longest serving member of the house of representatives is now denying allegations of sexual misconduct. "buzzfeed" reported that democratic congressman john conyers of michigan settled a wrongful dismissal two years ago. this after the former employee said she was fired because she would, quote, not succumb to his sexual advances. we must warn you some of these accounts are graphic. cnn's sunlen serfaty is with me now. i should note that the congressman released a rather forceful statement pushing back against these allegations. >> he did. he strongly denies the allegations but he does admit
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his office made the settlement payment to the accuser out of his own office's budget. that is done outside the process where settlement would be paid out by the fund set up by the treasury for these kinds of cases. it gives us new insight into how sexual harassment cases are handled and kept secret on capitol hill. >> reporter: explosive new allegations against congressman john conyers, the longest serving member of the house. confidential documents obtained by "buzzfeed" show a series of accusations in complaints filed in 2014 against the michigan democrat. by former unnamed women on his staff. alleging the congressman repeatedly asked for sexual favors and once asked her to work from his hotel room one evening where she alleges he told her he needed to touch his private parts. in another incident, she alleges the congressman asked her to stay in his hotel room, to just cuddle up with me and caress me before you go. the complaint leading to a
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wrongful firing settlement in 2015 to one woman who says she was fired for refusing the congressman's advances. a $27,000 settlement paid out directly to her from the congressman's office. using taxpayer money but not from the funds used to handle settlements inside the u.s. treasury. cnn has not independently confirmed the allegations. conyers today expressly and vehemently denied the allegations of sexual misconduct but acknowledged a payment was made by his office to the accuser. quote, my office resolved the allegations with an express denial of liability, conyers says, in order to save all involved from the rigors of protracted little gags. calls on capitol hill today from members of his own party, including house minority party leader nancy pelosi for an ethics investigation. >> i just heard about the congressman conyers issue. these allegations are extremely serious and must be dealt with in a serious manner.
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>> reporter: this as pressure continues to mount on senator al franken, who has been laying low since his own accusations of sexual misconduct have surfaced while democrats are struggling to answer questions whether he should resign. >> these allegations are serious and women have a right to be heard and listened to on this. al is going to be subjected to a hearing in the united states senate, an investigation. >> reporter: and back on the conyers allegations, amid all of these calls today for an ethics investigation to be launched, we do have some movement on this. just into cnn, an ethics committee will start an investigation. >> sunlen serfaty, thanks very much. critical call. president trump speaks to russian leader vladimir putin for more than an hour today with the syrian slaughter and north korea's nuclear program on the agenda, but is putin still getting a pass for meddling in the 2016 election?
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we are back now with our world lead. and new details about a nearly 90-minute phone call between president trump and the man who orchestrated russian interference into the 2016 election, that is the russian president vladimir putin. according to president trump, the two leaders discussed north korea and the future of syria. this the day after putin met with, even embraced as you see there, the syrian dictator bashar al assad, who has been accused of war crimes. let's bring back cnn's ryan nobles. he's at the white house. ryan, president trump before leaving for florida said he discussed peace in syria with putin, but thus far assad doesn't seem to be going anywhere. >> reporter: that's a big
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question, jim, is assad part of the picture in syria going forward? when you take into account that the president spoke to vladimir putin less than 24 hours after that face-to-face meeting with bashar al assad, that certainly raises big questions. still, the president saying today that he is hopeful for peace in the region. tonight, president trump and his family are en route to florida to celebrate the thanksgiving holiday. but before heading south, he spent a busy day at the white house, tending to both ceremonial and official business. >> drumstick, you are hereby pardoned. >> reporter: on the diplomatic front, the president held a high-stakes phone call with russian president vladimir putin. the call came just hours after putin held a face-to-face meeting with syrian dictator bashar al assad. the white house said the call lasted more than an hour, with a focus on syria. >> we had a great call with president putin. we're talking about peace in syria, very important. >> reporter: mr. trump and mr. putin also talked broadly about
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terrorism and what's happening in afghanistan, ukraine and north korea. including the trump administration's just announced new aggressive moves against the rogue nation. putting it back on the state list of terrorism sponsors and imposing a new round of sanctions. overnight, a north korean state newspaper published a report, warning that trump's moves were hideous crimes committed by the lunatic president. the president leaves washington with a number of topics on the table, including russian interference in the 2016 u.s. election. mr. trump ignored a shouted question on the potential for actual pardons during the annual pardoning of a turkey at the white house, but still found an opportunity to needle previous administration. >> as many of you know, i have been very active in overturning a number of executive actions by my predecessor. however, i have been informed by the white house counsel's office that tater and tot's pardons
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cannot under any circumstances be revoked. so we're not going to revoke them. so tater and tot, you can rest easy. >> reporter: so, jim, as you mentioned, that call almost 90 minutes between vladimir putin and donald trump and the white house gave us a readout of all of those topics that were discussed. not on that list, russia's meddling of the 2016 election. jim? >> ryan nobles at the white house. thanks very much. joining me now is the former head of the cia, nsa, retired four-star general michael hayden. general, thanks very much for joining us. looking at russia and syria and the u.s., has the trump administration, i think you might fairly say and the obama administration before, has the u.s. effectively ceded syria to russia? >> we've given the russians an opportunity to play an outexercised role in syria here. we actually invited the russians in as a way to get us off the x
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we had created by drawing that red line with regard to assad's use of chemical weapons. so we brought the russians in, gave them legitimacy there, political legitimacy in order to police up, imperfectly, i might add, the syrian chemical weapons. just a little bit more than two years ago, the russians intervened in force in syria and literally changed the geometry of the battlefield there. assad was on his last legs and with a really fairly modest application of russian military power, changed the dynamics of the fight and now we see assad's not going anywhere and it's isis that is thoroughly defeated. >> one of the ironies here, right, president trump has promised a tougher stance against iran in the region, but, of course, assad is iran's client state as well, right? protector state. >> if you look at who is winning here, all right, what you've got are the syria, the al oite
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officered army. syria, you've got russian air power. drafting, in the race car sense of the word, drafting on american combat power raqqa and the euphrates river valley to expand the area of control that i would think would be a rump syria, making that much larger than i ever imagined it would be, and then allowing the iranians to create a land bridge to allow them to move between tehran and beirut uninterrupted. >> you're saying in effect that russian forces, syrian forces, iranian forces who are working together, they are fighting together there, are using american air power to their advantage? >> what they are doing is taking advantage of the defeat that we are imposing on isis, raqqa, the euphrates river valley. i don't think we are according fire and movement here. >> not coordination, but taking advantage, right? >> at the strategic level, they're taking advantage of that. and, frankly, jim, that's
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because somewhat from the obama administration, certainly in the trump administration, we have been laser focused, we are there to defeat isis and only to defeat isis. and you haven't seen an american talk in any serious way of what a post-isis syria or region would look like. >> now, the president will often say and they said in their statement today that the u.s. and russia can cooperate against isis in syria. is there any actual evidence of that? >> for the longest time, russia wasn't fighting isis at all. then candidate trump was saying russia is fighting isis. no, they weren't. russia was helping assad work against the syrian opposition, which was geographically threatened the assad regime. isis is more distant. isis is more out to the east. as time as gone by, we have seen the russians a bit more active, as i've suggested here, but fundamentally the military defeat of isis was done by american arms with largely kurdish allies in the eastern
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part of syria. >> let me ask you about north korea now. yesterday the trump administration put north korea on the sponsor list of terrorism. they also announced some new sanctions today. in your view, are these measures meaningful? >> they're all good. they're amping up the pressure. none of these are a step function, all right? we're on a curve here. that's increasing the pressure on the north koreans. i think designating them a state sponsor of terror gives us additional tools for secondary sanctions that we can interfere in the banking system of those who would dare bank with the north korean regime. so, yeah, it's good, but sanctioning are cee slow moving. they're like rust, not an explosion. >> final question, it's been 60 days since north korea's carried out a provocative act, missile test, et cetera. is that a hopeful sidelinlence
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your view? >> i would like to think it's hopeful? they've occasionally taken a shot during the winter months but mostly they don't. nuclear tests, they've done a third of them during the winter time. there may be political calculations here as well as the weather. >> michael hayden, thanks very much, as always. we have a big cnn announcement. on tuesday, november 28th, cnn will host a live town hall debate. ted cruz and tim scott facing off against democratic senator maria cantwell and independent senator bernie sanders on tax reform. this comes as the fight over taxes comes to a head in congress. jake tapper and dana bash will moderate the debate you can only see here on cnn. 9:00 eastern time next tuesday. that's why a cutting edge university counts on centurylink to keep their global campus connected. and why a pro football team chose us to deliver
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the earnings tool from td ameritrade. we are back now with our politics lead and my panel as well. i want to focus on a series of steps the administration has taken, all with a similar undercurrent in common and that is, of course, the immigration issue. mary katherine, if i can begin with you. the trump administration deciding today not to renew protected status for some 59,000 haitians who came here you may remember after that devastating earthquake in haiti in 2010. when you look at a move like this and you bring in sanctuary cities, travel ban, et cetera, i mean, is this playing to the base strategy on immigration? >> yeah, i mean -- well, it's something he promised on the trail. these were things that he was going to do. it's not terribly surprising. i think on some of the other ones on the sanctuary cities, for instance, and on the travel ban, you see a pattern and we'll see with this one as well, you see a pattern where there is merit to doing things well and being prepared to put out, you know, sort of legal rulings and
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that you don't get stuck in court defending over and over again and appealing over and over again. i think they have made plenty of mistakes on that front. you're seeing that sort of play out. we'll see with this one as well. >> right. what's the argument for sending home haitians who came here after an earthquake, seeking relief after an earthquake? is that it was meant to be temporary? >> it was named temporary so there is an argument it should have an end at some point. i'm not sure i've heard an argument from trump himself why this is necessary on a security front. >> the other issue here, rebecca and neera, the president has asked the supreme court to take a look at -- let the travel ban 3.0, if you want to call it that, to take effect immediately while it is looking into this in effect. i'm not going to treat either of you as lawyers here or supreme court specialists. is that something the supreme court is likely to do in light of the remaining questions about it? >> i would say most of the courts have ruled against these travel bans and i think in part because they've seen it's --
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they've also taken into account the president's words, which do seem to be focused on muslims and a travel ban focused on a religious ban. >> his public comments during the campaign. >> just one thing about the temporary protected status issue, this is a decision that kelly himself upheld six months ago. haiti has just gone through some additional devastation. so it seems particularly pernicious to do this now. these are people who have been living here a very long time actually. you know, have settled in and are now being told they have to leave in the next several months to a year. so i think, you know, taken together it does seem like the president has an immigration policy which isn't against immigration per se but does seem to be focused against particular minority groups. and i think a lot of people see it that way, and i think it's part of -- it does seem to tend to create more and more distrust of the administration. >> rebecca, what's your view? mary katherine maybe the point,
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the president did, his stances on immigration were very clear and public during the campaign and even since then. do these kinds of moves appeal to the not just his base but beyond his base? >> they certainly reenforce for his base his commitment to this issue as one of his prominent issues in his administration, one of his policy priorities. and certainly jeff sessions has also reiterated as the attorney general that this is going to be a priority for him as well in leading the department of justice. so it's, again, no surprise that we would see this sort of focus from the trump administration on immigration issues, but it is, i think, a really big question mark, how does the president move forward on issues like -- on sanctuary cities when he is running into these obstacles in the courts, when they are not letting him implement the policies that he wants to implement from an executive point of view. will he have to turn to congress for more help on these? >> checks and balances can be frustrate for a president. >> the only thing i would
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briefly add is, you know, issues like sanctuary cities were really litigated, again, in virginia. just a little while ago. and more racialized than the decision itself, but there were ads run by ed gillespie and there was -- they did fuel a big counterresponse, again, in the suburbs. i think people were, like, this level of division is too much. so i totally appreciate the president is reaching out to his base, but he's also creating a larger and larger counterreaction of people who are against these policies. his policies on immigration are actually unpopular. they don't have a majority. >> we saw that in the d.c. suburbs for instance during the race. mary katherine, do you agree that that point of view is effectively being rejected? >> i think in virginia you saw a lot of that but you won't see that everywhere. you'll see plenty of places that won't be rejected. i think there is a legit argument about being very careful who we let in the country and that vetting is very important. look, the president also likes a fight. he doesn't mind fighting with the courts. he doesn't mind that much that
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they keep saying no because he gets to keep punching them in public which means he is still fighting this issue. and they ain't getting a wall. so he needs to keep signaling. >> not only for democrats in races like in virginia, but it's also very much an mating issue for republicans as we saw in his election. >> very quick question, nia. dnc money raising in october, not great. $3.9 million. is this a warning sign for democrats? >> i think what's really happening on the democratic side is money is flooding into candidates. every democratic challenger or lots of democratic challengers are out rasing republican incumbents in the house. that's happening in the senate. so i think you should look at total money raised and it seems pretty equal if not head a little more for the democrats. >> thanks so much. he was brainwashed by isis and took bullets for its warped caliphate and he was just 12 years old at the time. now this young boy is talking to cnn about his road back from a terror nightmare.
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we're back now with our world lead. and the truly incredible stories of child soldiers fighting for isis. one who went back to the front lines after he was shot in the chest. with the isis power center raqqa crumbling, these kids are now escaping the terror grip and looking for help but what can really be done now? cnn's arwa damon has the stories of a the recovery at a rehab center as these kids try to get some of their lives back. >> reporter: he is the youngest of the class. he says he ran away from home to
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join isis about a year and a half ago when he was 13 or maybe even 12. he's not sure. sheer sheepish, shy and struggles to verbalize what he was thinking and feeling. their lecturer, who doesn't want to be filmed, is dissecting and disproving isis' interpretation of islam and their draconian rule as part of a fledgeling rehabilitation program. he is cat gorized as level two, an active fighter. he says his mind was blank his first time in battle. a unit of children, teens at best, used as cannon fodder on isis front lines. they would get ferried to a
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fight and just told which direction to shoot. he was wounded with a day. the bullet went through his chest and out his armpit. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: again within days he was shot. this time through the leg. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: at the syrian center for anti-extremist ideology, he's with other isis members, battle hardened fighters and level three detainees, the foreign fighters, most from eastern europe and central asia. the wives of the foreigners live in the same compound along with their children.
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little amida was born in iraq. her mother says she had no idea what they were getting into. she's russian, born in ukraine. her husband is from kiev. a convert to islam and they ended up where he was assigned to the front lines with a russian-speaking unit. her husband claims he's turned away from isis and its twisted beliefs, but behind bars, they all say the same thing. halid was once a kid who loved history and geography. he still has the demeanor of a child, one who regrets his actions and is desperate to rejoin a world that might not accept or forgive him or could very well push him back towards a brutal way of life. the center's leaders say it's the isis ideology that is the most dangerous. its grip on a person's psyche more profound than imagined. combatting that is a necessity,
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but it's also uncharted territory. arwa damon, cnn, syria. >> just a powerful, powerful story. be sure to tune in tonight for cnn special report "twitter and trump." could the president's tweets backfire on his presidency? that airs at 9:00 eastern time. that's it for "the lead." i'm jim sciutto in for jake tapper. i turn you over now to jim acosta in "the situation room." happening now. breaking news. moore support. president trump all but endorses alabama senate candidate roy moore, accused by multiple women of sexually abusing and assaulting them as teenagers. the president shrugs off the allegations and slams moore's opponents saying we don't need a liberal democrat, his words, in that seat. kremlin calling. president trump takes a call from russia's president vladimir putin and the two discuss syria, terrorism and north korea. as the president heads to florida, was