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facts first at any cost. christiane amanpour tweeted a response, if he knew the facts he would have never sent that tweet. here's my layed camera woman who took a bullet in the face covering the facts in bosnia. time to hand it over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." i'll see you tomorrow. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon, hope you had a great thanksgiving, it's good to be back, i have a whole lot to say about this president's increasing erratic behavior over the past eke or so, i'm going to get to all of that over the next two hours here on cnn. i want to start with what happened at the white house here today, i want to lay it all out for you without editorializing, i want you to see it for yourself, facts first. the president of the united states, in the middle of an event honoring american heroes slamming a political opponent using a racist slur.
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a racist slur. one that is insulting to native americans. >> you were here long before any of us were here although we have a representative in congress who they say was here a long time ago. they call her pocahontas. >> that remark met with stunned silence from everyone in the room. because everyone in that room knew it was a racist slur directed at senator elizabeth warren. how they know that, it's an insult the president loves slamming her with. starting during the campaign. >> pocahontas. that's elizabeth warren. >> i call her pocahontas, and that's an insult to pocahontas. >> and massachusetts is represented by pocahontas, right? >> it may be pocahontas, remember that. >> what an insult to pocahontas, wasn't it? i was being hit by pocahontas, and pocahontas is not happy.
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elizabeth warren is one of the worst senators. who, pocahontas? >> native american groups have long condemned the president's use of the term, saying, the name of pocahontas should not be used as a slur. and it is inappropriate for anyone to use her name in a disparaging manner. that seems clear enough. press secretary sarah sanders refused to acknowledge that today. >> at the event that the president did with the navajo code talkers, he referred to pocahontas being in the senate. why did he feel the need to say something that is offensive to many people while honoring the navajo code talkers? >> i think what most people find offensive is senator warren lying about her heritage to advance her career. steven? >> she said it was a racial slur, what is your response to that? >> i think that's a ridiculous
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response. >> the white house doubling down, because that's what the white house does, it doubles down. looking on as president trump used that slur, that particular insult to native americans, this portrait of president andrew jackson added to the oval office by president trump who is such a fan of his predecessor, he laid a wreath on jackson's tomb earlier this year. andrew jackson famously signed the indian removal act, which allowed white settlers to drive native americans off their land by force, if necessary. to start a brutal migration known as the trail of tears. maybe you want to argue president trump is just tone deaf or ignorant of that part of the record of president jackson. maybe you think we should give him the benefit of the doubt, all the times this president has launched attacks of people against color, against mexicans? >> they're bringing drugs.
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they're bringing crime. they're rapists. and some, i assume are good people. >> against african-americans. >> look at my african-american over here. look at him. are you the greatest? >> against a judge with mexican ancestry. >> this judge is giving us unfair -- now i say why, well, i want to -- i'm building a wall, okay? and it's a wall between mexico -- not another country. >> he's not from mexico. he's from indiana. >> in my opinion, he's of mexican heritage and he's very proud of it. >> against a muslim gold star mother. >> if you look at his wife, she was standing there, she had nothing to say, she probably -- maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say, you tell me. >> claiming there were very fine people on both sides in charlottesville. >> you have some very bad people in that group. but you had people that were very fine people, on both sides.
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>> and, of course pushing the birther myth against president barack obama. >> i would like to have him show his birth certificate. can i be honest with you, i hope he can. if he can't, and if he wasn't born in this country, which is a real possibility. i'm not saying it happened. i'm saying it's a real possibility. much greater than i thought two or three weeks ago, he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics. >> this aspect of donald trump isn't new, it goes back for years, in fact, i asked him about it two years ago, when he was still a candidate. this is what he told me. are you racist? >> i am the least racist person that you have ever met. i am the least racist person. >> are you bigoted in anyway? >> i don't think so. >> islam phobic? >> no, not at all. >> when people say you're racist or homophobic.
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that has to bother you. or compare you to hitler. >> you know where things bother me -- if things were true, if that were true, it would bother me tremendously. >> here's what everyone should know. just because you say you're not racist doesn't make it so. especially if you say, do and defend racist behavior over and over and over again. especially if you have lost your credibility by telling countless lies, big and small. according to the washington post. 1628 false or misleading statements in 290 days. 98 days. and that was their last check, two weeks ago. as i bring in my first guests, van jones and mike shields. rick wilson. van jones, i'm going to ask you first, does this president have no sense of decency? >> well, apparently not. i mean, part of what i think is
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so tragic is that this was a tremendous opportunity for the country -- not just president trump, but for the country to finally give due credit to people who help to win this war. those code talkers, any other language, the japanese and germans were prepared to break the code, mathematically they were prepared to break the code. these navajo code talkers were the only people who were able to get communication in that war, they saved hundreds of thousands of american lives. iwo jima was won because of them, they've never been truly honored. today was that day. a community of people, who frankly, every treaty we ever signed with native americans, have been violated over and over again, they could have sat that war out, they didn't. this was their day, and he crapped all over it, being an insult comic, dragging in a completely irrelevant issue. it was despicable, i feel sorry
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for those guys in they're 80s and 90s. their one moment ruined. >> his brain immediately goes to the word pocahontas? >> yeah, i agree with van in that this is a great opportunity to honor those heroes, everyone should go and read up on it, they are more than worthy of all of our admiration and what they did for our country. the only explanation i can come up with, is tone deafness in thinking they would agree with him, i believe probably -- i'm just conjecture here, the president is thinking, elizabeth warren has been so offensive to native americans, there are plenty of americans who try to appropriate american heritage, to get ahead and have their name put into the college yearbooks. my guess is, he said it thinking, these guys aren't going to agree with me, he's learning a lesson once again, that that's inappropriate, you can't say that, it's a word they're going to find owe
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fencive, they're not going to think it's funny. that's the only thing i can come up with. i don't think he should have done it, it took away from today. he criticizes elizabeth warren using this phrase, because of what she did as well. >> i just don't -- i can't -- >> i can't even -- i don't even know what to say to that, mike, really. >> i appreciate you acknowledging that what he said was offensive and inappropriate. and i -- thank you for trying to psycho analyze it, the problem with you doing it, though, you introduce these talking points about elizabeth warren and all the crimes she's committed against people. she was taught as a child that they had a native american ancestor, there's no evidence at all that she was -- that she's right or wrong on the actual claim, but the idea that she somehow got ahead, and her whole success is due to this -- >> i'm not saying all of her success. i'm not saying all of her
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success. if you're being listed in law yearbooks as the only minority that's been hired at harvard, and you're allowing that to go forward based on a lure, that is precisely what a lot of native americans find offensive. >> you would be correct, sir. >> that's offensive as well. >> if today, if tonight, the major native american organizations came out and said the president is right and denounced elizabeth warren, we would have a different conversation, they came out and denounced the president, because what the president did was inexcusable. >> let me just read this, okay? >> this is from the atlantic, i promise you i'm going to let you get in, rick. this is from the atlantic in 2012, there's no evidence that warren ever used claims of native american ancestry to help her get a job. while warth was listed as a minority in the association of american law schools, directly of faculty, she had declined to apply as a minority to rutgers law school, and listed herself as white while teaching at the
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university of texas. the community that lured her to harvard -- >> she still maintains to this day, the lure evidence as -- >> i'm not saying it's right or wrong, what she did, but do you know how many black folks in america think that they are -- have native american ancestors and they go to get their ancestry done, there's no native american anywhere -- your grand mama was an indian, she was native american. she said she learned that from her family, i can certainly understand that as someone who has been taught that we have native american ancestors. >> can you go to right now and use it as a teaching opportunity. >> if she used it in that manner, then it's wrong. there are a lot of people in america who have been taught that, and the facts don't bare it out. it doesn't mean they use it to get ahead. >> if there is a time to correct
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the record for elizabeth warren. i don't think stepping on the code talkers moment was the time. >> i agree with that. >> look, this is a matter that is not about elizabeth warren. as van said and the history of the war, particularly in the pacific records, these men were a heroic unit, they moved mountains to save american lives, and the president should have had the dignity the stature, the presence of mind and the sense of purpose, their visit to the oval office was to honor their service, their sacrifice, these were the last of the code talkers. instead he has to make it about his personal beefs. he has to make it about this petty crap that always obsesses him, he's a guy that grew up in the page six culture of the new york post, who's up, who's down, he's always beefing with people. it's like the worst dullest wrap beef in the universe, donald trump could have left that on the table if he had the slightest sense of dignity.
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the slightest sense of honor, the slightest desire to truly respect the service of these men. he doesn't, it's all about him he's completely inwardly directed at all times, and of course you end up defining the presidency further and further down. what really irritates me today, even worse than the president. the president is a con genital jack as. what bothered me even more, sarah sanders went out at the podium and defended the president using a racial slur. that is disgusting, she should be fired. in a civilized dignified world, she would be fired. she's going out in service to a guy who is mindfully using racist terms and framing this in a way that is just disgusting. >> listen, the navajo nation responded today. this whole talk about whether this is a racial slur or not. it is. i can't believe we're at a point
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where we are trying to decide if something is a racial slur. and having the white house trying to gaslight people, no, he didn't mean it as a racial slur. what else was he using it for, to compliment her, by using a name that's for a native american? and people -- the native american people have already said it's an insult, stop using it. and have the white house from the podium say, it's not a racial slur. what is going on here, what is happening in this country? >> let me say. >> let me get to the break. >> this culture rewards -- >> let me get to the break, and then you guys can answer. i want to know what is going on here, why is america allowing itself to be gaslighted by these people. we'll be right back.
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i need to know i'm ready. no matter what lies ahead. get a free sample at i'm back now with van jones, and rick wilson. i want to put this up, this is from the navajo nation, in this day and age, all tribal nations face insensitive behavior. previously the national conference of american indians has condemned the president's use of pocahontas. it's a slur. is it a slur? >>. >> how can sarah sanders stand there at the podium and say, it's not a slur, the president
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doesn't mean it as a slur, and then people -- oh, it's fake news, it's not a slur, why are you reporting on it? come on, really? >> her job -- the reason she does that is because her job is contingent of her being a serial, congennettal liar. she probably has some tiny shriveled husk left in her soul where she realizes this is the wrong thing to do. >> barack obama's press secretary -- >> few presidents go out and sling racial overt code words like that, and crap on the dignity and legacy of code talkers, these heroic veterans. and then send their press secretary out to answer questions in a way that isn't saying, the president regrets what he said today, he truly
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wishes he had not said that. instead she goes out and tries to bury people in an avalanche of horse shit every day, because this is her job. i get that's her job. the white house press secretary has to defend the indefensible. in very few cases in our modern history, has the press secretary had to go out and defengd someone who is slinging stuff that is demonstrably racially charged. if barack obama or george bush went out and said something that was so on the edge like that for a white house press secretary. it's not the case. >> if you want your doctor, you can keep your doctor is a lie the white house put forward and the press secretary said -- >> yeah, but how racial was that. >> hey, i listened to you talk for a second. why don't you let me talk for a second. >> there's a difference in arguing and advocating for policy -- >> no, that's an excellent point. >> and going out and defending -- >> i would love to skbound on that point. two things, first of all, rick, your arguments as a critic of
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the president would be more cogent if you didn't make them personal and angry. you can respond in a second. >> well, it's -- >> secondly, you are bringing up a very good point between policy and rhetoric, i think this is something -- don, you asked, what's going on here, what's going on in the country. we just had the best black friday and cyber monday that we've had in 20 years, the economy is booming. >> what does that have to do with calling someone a racial slur? >> i'm getting to that. >> it makes racism totally cool then? >> no, that is not what i'm saying. >> you just said, we have the best -- this president is always saying -- >> let me finish. >> hold on, hold on, hold on, everyone. this is me and you talking. i'm not calling you a racist. >> i didn't call you a racist. >> this is me and mike talking here now. you've said we've had the best black friday, and the president is always talking about the stock market and how great the economy is.
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everybody in this country is hurting, where are the hurting people, then, if we've just had the best black friday, the stock market is doing so well. you're negating his talk that this country is so terrible, the last president left in such a dire situation, no one has any money, no one can afford to pay their bills. you just brought up the best black friday, the stock market. and what does that have to do with calling someone a racial slur and defending it from the podium at the white house. >> the point i'm trying to make is that i believe -- as a political analyst, i believe the country is looking at two different things, they're a group of americans that -- i don't agree with this perspective, i think he should not say that, let me make that clear. there are a group of americans that are looking at this and going, you know, came news is covering the president, they're criticizing him for what he said, the economy is getting better, that's what i care about. those people are looking for jobs and higher wages. there's a higher educated -- higher income group of americans that are saying, i have the
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luxury of being outraged at everything he says. when you ask the question, what's going on in the country and how can this keep happening. half the country is completely outraged by this, and finds it offensive, and the other half of the country is saying, you know what, the economy is booming, that's all noise, i think the press's job is to sort the difference of those things out. we should cover the fact that this is offensive. you're asking what's going on in the country. >> we can hold two or three or four or five thoughts in our head at the same time. you can want those things for the country. you can also want your president not to be a racist, and make racist comments. and do things that some people deem to be -- that something's going on with him, that when people question his fitness for the job, meaning, what is appropriate, you can hold all of those thoughts at the same time, it doesn't make you unamerican. you're supposed to be able to criticize people in authority, you're supposed to be able to criticize the president. the president works for us. we don't work for him. meaning, american citizens.
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go ahead, van. >> i think this conversation is important. the one thing we haven't talked enough about tonight is the actual native american community that didn't stop producing he heroes with world war ii. you say, what's going on in the country right now. native americans right now are fighting to prevent a pipeline from being extended, the keystone pipeline started leaking, that was a committee warning us about this, the real problems on the reservations are canarys in the coal mine for the rest of us, when it comes to addiction, there's a lot of genius and wisdom and beauty and strength in that community we could all benefit from, they are almost always ignored, they get a moment, that gets crapped on, if you're native american, on a reservation, you're watching this program tonight. your needs should not continue to go ignored in your on going heroism should not be ignored by this country or this president. >> what are we going to do -- what are we going to -- in ten
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years, what are we going to look back and say about all of these moments that so many people want to excuse about this person's behavior? that there are certain things you can't talk about that are offlimits, when nancy used to finish ronald reagan's -- president reagan's sentences because he couldn't finish it himself. when are we going to not be afraid to say, what is going on with this person? are we going to look back in 2027 and say, you know, the press should have said something about this person's behavior, they shouldn't have been afraid of being called biassed or fake or whatever, because they were speaking the truth about someone's behavior that is just -- i just -- i remember when my grandmother was going through it, and she would say little things lying that, and we would try to pretend it wasn't true. but i don't know what's up, that's all i have to say. listen, thank you all, i've said my peace. van, i wan the to congratulate
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you on your show. looking at the forces that elected donald trum. the van show twice a month, beginning in january, congratulations. i'm so happy for you. >> i learned from the best, appreciate you, brother. >> don't stop, okay? continue on. >> thank you, brother. when we come back, the new york times is reporting that president trump is now telling people the infamous access hollywood tape is fake. even though he said i said it, and i'm sorry. at t-mobile, when you holiday together, great things come in twos.
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it was -- and let's be honest about this, a shocking moment in an extraordinary presidential race. this is then candidate donald trump caught on tape saying this. >> i'm automatically attracted
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to beautiful women. it's like a magnet. when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> do whatever you want? >> grab them by the pussy, you can do any of that. >> there was outrage, intense criticism, and something more. a very, very rare apology also on tape. >> i've said and done things i regret. and the words released today on this more than decade old video. i said it, i was wrong, and i apologize. >> a month later he was president-elect. has he somehow forgotten what happened just a year ago? >> inside a new york times article comes this report, something deeper has been consuming mr. trump. he sees the calls for mr. moore to step aside as a version of the response to the now famous access hollywood tape. he suggested to a senator
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earlier this year, it was not authentic. a third person now reports the president questions the tape, even though he admitted it was him on that tape at that time. and today's white house briefing, reporters asked sarah sanders if president trump is rewriting history, honestly, she didn't have a great answer. listen 20 what she said with jeff zellenny. >> does the president acknowledge saying that -- >> look, i said he already addressed it. and that we didn't have any updates to that. what he didn't like and what i found were troubling accounts that are being reported now. >> what was reported now that weren't reported last year. what are you talking about? >> the ones that are current that he's questioning. >> politico quotes "access
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hollywood" saying, let us make this absolutely clear, the tape is very real. that would be the tape with his voice and his words and him exiting the bus. you see his face. joining me now, april ryan, and frank bruni. a cnn contributocontributor. it's unbelievable to sit here and watch this and have a group of people try to pretend that something is what you see in front of your very eyes, and what you hear with your very own ears. why is the president trying to rewrite history here. >> i'm so glad you're zeroing in on this, i stopped in my tracks, my jaw dropped, i couldn't believe what i was reading. donald trump apologized for this at the time. billy bush was fired over this, and never said, i doubt the
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authenticity of it. melania trump even came out and did some damage control. i wonder if the president's grip on reality is firm. he's apologized for this. now he's saying to people around him, i doubt its authenticity. i wonder if for donald trump, truth is merely what you can convince people of. maybe he's convinced himself that people are distant enough from those events, he can cast doubt on it about it's stupefying. >> you say grip on reality. one has to wonder. i remember sitting here, i don't know if you were here, the night that the tape dropped and then his apology. we sat here all night waiting for the white house, the candidate -- the trump team,
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they're going to do an apology. he's going to have a response. and we kept waiting hour and hour after hour, and finally it came out. we said for the first time, donald trump has apologizes for something, that we to our recollection for the first time. he has a problem with the truth, april. i know you sit there in the briefings every single day, and you have to try to fight to get at the truth. the moment you do, sarah sanders cuts you off. and the next person most times, doesn't ask the same person. why doesn't the next person ask the same question as the question before them, until she answers, she can't keep cutting off everyone else. why does this white house have such a problem with the truth and with facts? is this a strategy? >> yeah, of course it's a strategy. there's an intimidation factor
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in that room from this white house. i've watched some of the greats in that room, reporters, keep asking questions. and reporters behind them follow up, there's a different breed of reporter now, and some may get upset with me in that room, it's what it is. i was there, and i saw some of the greats as they left. but when it comes to. >> what do you mean a different breed of reporter -- >> when i say a different breed of reporter, some of these reporters were embedded with the candidates, and when they come in, they feel a friendship to a certain extent with them, then you have reporters who are from the same party who are leaning, i remember there was a time, and don, i know you remember this, we used to hear someone on tv who said, that's the way it was. and you didn't know his politics, you just trusted the facts. now if you question, you're considered someone from the opposing matter, versus just trying to get the facts. >> as a journalist, yeah.
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>> and god forbid, yeah, you are someone of a different race. i'm speaking of myself, you're considered an opposition. i don't bring my politics, i just ask questions about what's right and wrong, or things that go on in washington. when it comes to the issues of truth with this president, he is a great brander, he has been able to make that name so powerful, emblazened on buildings around the worlds, that has catapulted him into the highest office in the land. now, at issue is the truth of who he is. that's a whole other thing. the truth of circumstances that happened. he does not want to be seen as someone who fails ors hat failed or less than what he is supposed to be. >> let's -- >> i guess that's why -- go ahead. >> finish your thought, i want to get frank in on this. >> yeah, i guess that's why he
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is now trying to do revisionist history, and we were told, i was told by a republican source who is close to the situation, said they had thought about actually saying, discrediting the tape early on, they were told not to do this, so this is something they wanted to do early on, maybe that might have been why they waited and waited. that was a very big day, the russia issue came out, saying russia was trying to get involved in our election process, a couple minutes later, this dominated the whole news cycle for the week. >> maybe she didn't know anything else was going to come out, that's maybe why they said, you should fess up to it now, because you don't know what else is out there. >> the president is now, i guess he feels -- according to the new york times article, some sort of kinship with roy moore.
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maybe that he has to, there are allegations against this president, that he has to somehow make up for that, and he has to lie about other things. >> don, i don't think this president thinks in terms of truth and lie. he thinks in terms of what you can get away with, and what you can't get away with, what you can convince people of, and what you can't. there's the version of events that flatters donald trump, that's what he would consider truth. that's what's convenient to him, and there's the version of events that doesn't. april used a couple words and phrases i thought were really important, brand. his name emblazened on buildings. he's a salesman above all else. what he gives you is a pitch, he's selling himself as an effective, credible trustworthy president. and he will say and do anything in the service of that sale, much as he would when he was selling real estate, i think that's fundamental to understanding donald trump and what he we call his relationship with the truth.
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>> it's interesting to be back, i heard my colleague anderson cooper say the same thing. i mentioned it to my team this morning, been gone for a week or so. you get an interesting perspective when you sit back and watch this from afar. do i sit there every single night and deal with this stuff? because when i'm sitting there watching it at home as a spectator, i can't believe what i'm watching, i can't believe how people actually believe some of the things that come out of this president's mouth, of the podium, and of some of the people on television. it is incredulous to watch. i can imagine sitting there, very this platform, i felt powerless, i don't feel powerless now, i have this platform. many people at home don't have it, i'm here to speak for you. when we come back, multiple reports about the trump family and life at the white house. melania reportedly reluctant to be the first lady, jared kushner's role as senior adviser
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a moment of holiday celebration at the white house today as melania trump welcomes children to decorate for christmas. that's always very nice. behind the scenes, though, could the close knit trump family's circle be turning into a circular firing squad? i want to bring in the author of "the truth about trump." staff writer for vanity fair and contributing editor, sarah ellison. let me start with your piece about melania's reluctance to embrace her role as first lady. >> there may have never been a first lady less prepared or
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suited to the role. this isn't something she wanted or something he thought he would win. she didn't want this come hell or high water. i don't think she thought it was going do happen. your sources say she pushed him to run for office? >> roger stone, who was an early trump adviser told me that yes, this was not something she was that into, it was never her thing. the way he described it, he also said that trump had thought about it, and michael knows this, trump had thought about running for a long time, and had been talking about it, ever since he wrote his book, art of the deal, when he went -- he sort of went up to new hampshire and he gave a speech at a rotary club, it was shockingly similar to the kind of speeches he gives today. he had been playing around with this idea for a long long time, she was the one who said to him, either do it or don't do it. and roger stone said, simply by
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saying that, pushed him to do it. >> who wants that -- that's a lot of responsibility, it's a lot of attention, it takes you out of your normal life, especially if you have kids. here's a statement from the white house about your article saying, as a magazine tailored to women, it's shameful they continue to write salacious and false stories meant to demean mrs. trump, rather than focus on her positive work as first lady and a supportive wife and mother as has been slated on the record many times before, she is honored by her role. what do you say? >> i would invite anyone to try to find the salacious part of the story, honestly, i don't think that's there, i also think this is not meant to demean her. she was conflicted about this unquestionably, we write a lot about how she's devoted to her son. i don't think that that's that part is controversial, and. >> there have been a number of
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women who didn't want to be first lady and they've said i didn't want this. >> if michelle was a better lawyer than barack before they get to the white house. i think it's a weird role, but -- yeah, i feel proud of the story. >> i want to talk about jared kushner, i want to bring emily in. he was handed a lofty portfolio, when donald trump became president. he was tasked with improving ties with mexico, and innovating government, this weekend i read the washington post, there are a couple different newspapers, lengthy reports questioning jared kushner, questioning what he's accomplished in his 10-month tenure. is there a changing role for jared kushner inside this white house? >> from everything i have heard, this change mostly occurred over the summer when john kelly was brought in as chief of staff, there are two sides to this, there's the side of the
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supporters of jared kushner who say, this is something he invited, at first when he came into the white house, he had so many things going on, the west wing was like the wild west, he felt like he needed to be in every meeting to make sure the president was taken care of and his best interests were at heart. now, with some semblance of order in the west wing he feels like he can hone in on what he wants to be doing, which are these middle east peace talks, some stuff about nafta, government i.t., instead of having to do everything, he's able to focus on a couple things. the detractors would say, he's being sidelined by john kelly and his role, and his judgment is being questioned. i think the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of those two. >> when we come back, i want to hear from michael why he thinks jared kushner is no longer front and center. and ivanka trump came out with a strong criticism of roy moore.
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the russia investigation is moving deep into the president's inner circle and first year of missteps are really tripping up his legislative program. so what's the move inside the east wing? my legislative experts are back with me now. "the new york times" is reporting jared kushner spent five or six hours a day with the president now he's rarely seen. why do you think he's no longer front and center? >> i think he's become radioactive. you see with general flen he's now in the midst of apparently making a deal with robert mueller. he's no longer friends with people who are being investigated. the joint agreement among their lawyers now excludes him. their next target up is now
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jared kushner. so at what point does he become someone the president might want to put a little distance between himself and that person? there's also a family dynamic of this is the president's son-in-law. this is why people in complex businesses don't bring their children in. you try to shelter them and you try to prevent them from being swallowed up when there's a scandal. so we see now things are getting more heated. i think there's a danger zone here, and if i were jared kushner, i'd want to pull back myself. >> this is why there's anti-nepotism laws the focus for 50 years. >> they're discussing so much, where saying they're doing what they want there. let's talk about ivanka. she gave a statement about roy moore saying there's a special place in hell for people who prey on children. the president has really stood by roy moore, saying recently roy moore has denied the allegations and so he's sort of
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tacitly saying i stick by him but the people of alabama should make the chose. and then doug jones used ivanka's criticism in an ad. the president cannot be happy about this. >> well, i'm not sure that this is completely surprising to the president. this is maybe another case with ivanka's help, he's got two bases. he's got the ivanka base, which is younger, more liberal, more moderate. and then he's got his red meat base that the president himself appeals to. so this gives him a little bit of cover. you know i may not be calling out the person accused of pedophilia but my daughter is, and then she's also protecting her brand. because we have to remember if it's the trumps, you're talking about a brand as well as public policy. >> i think it's such an -- in some ways it almost feels organized even it's probably not. he'll say something terrible,
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this happened in charlottesville, this happened in a lot of different settings where he says something, she softens, and they get the base and the business community at the same time. or the base and the feminists or the base and people who don't like pedophilia at the same time. >> and there is some level of organization there. >> can i say something because you tweeted something? you said this iserary varand singular example of it president at first being at odds. >> she said this statement about roy moore was something they setup ahead of time, and she knew she was going to be asked this question ahead of time. so this was not an off-the-cuff response she gave. i don't think this is something she just went into the interview and the first thing that came off her mind she said. so this is definitely something they had time to strategies
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about and talk to the whole white house communications team about. >> why did it take so long. she did criticize, but she didn't really say his name. what took so long? >> that's a good question. i asked comment from ivanka trump for several days multiple times and was not given comment. >> i think they're looking for the angles. you know, it takes a while to study this and decide what you're going to do. and the president has always been about finding the angle. >> i think you're right. thank you very much. fascinating conversation. when we come back, the president targeting the press in a new series of attacks yet touting conspiracy theorists who are actually spreading false information. it's clear he doesn't respect the press but what about the constitution? we'll break it down next. so find a venus smooth that contours to curves, flexes for comfort, and has a disposable made for you. skin smoothing venus razors.
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this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. it is 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast, and we're live with new developments tonight. president trump doubling down oz hiattacks on a free and independent press today. he's complained on twitter over 100 times in the past year, over 100 times, about hut he calls fake news. here is his latest. fox news is much more important but outside on the u.s., cnn international is major srs of fake news.


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