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york times," which also reports trump told a republican senator he wanted an investigation of the recording even though he had publicly admitted it was him on the tape and apologized for it. but there's more. the times also reports that the president is still pushing his false birther conspiracy theory, questioning the authenticity of president barack obama's birth certificate. let's get right to cnn political analyst jonathan martin. he is on the phone. he broke the story for the times along with maggie haberman. also joining us now, cnn political commentator david swerdlick. so much to talk about. jonathan, i need to get to you first because you co-wrote this article. president trump continues to harbor multiple conspiracy theories on everything from the "access hollywood" tape to the former president, his birth certificate, where he was born. let's start with the tape. after the inauguration, he asked a republican senator to investigate the tape. what else are you learning? >> well, that he's still talking
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about this. you know, this conversation with the senator that we report happened in january, but since then, the president has brought up with advisers in private his doubts about the authenticity of the "access hollywood" tape, which it's important to remind our listeners, our viewers, i should say, that in the hours after "the washington post" broke that story last fall, he confessed it was him and taped a video apology for his language on that tape. but this president has a long history throughout his life of basically constructing an alternative reality and, you know, devising facts that are more reassuring, more comforting, and more convenient. and that has not stopped because he darkened the door of the white house. he is conducting himself in the same way whether it's president obama's birth certificate, the "access hollywood" tape, the nature of his victory last year,
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or a variety of other issues. he likes to create his own version of reality. now, what's fascinating is that, you know, we see some of this on twitter and certainly in his public comments. but senators and members of the house who talk to him in private, and certainly his advisers, they get even more of this, don, because in the private environment, he's even less restrained. he's not very restrained in public, but he's even less restrained. and he will go there on this issue of the "access hollywood" tape. he will go there when it comes to questioning president obama's citizenship. so just because he's now the president has not changed the fundamental conduct of donald trump. >> yeah. he is who was elected and has not changed. listen, it's not just the "access hollywood" tape. let's talk more about his questioning the authenticity of
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president barack obama's birth certificate. talk to me more about that. i'm sure in private he says a lot more. >> yeah. i mean, look, as my source told me, he had a hard time getting over this. president trump does. he still harbors questions about the fact that president obama was, indeed, born in hawaii. he doesn't want to say this publicly because he knows it will sound a little bit fringy, but he still isn't totally convinced. he's musing about this in private conversations with lawmakers. and here's the thing. you know, i was in the capitol today for a few hours, and you talk to the gop members of congress, and publicly most of them are uneasy about offering their full, candid views of this president.
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but when you talk to them in private, you talk to them one-on-one, they're pretty upfront about the fact that they don't take all the president's words to heart. that they are kind of getting used to how he conducts himself and his disregard for the facts. that's a remarkable thing for an american president, for members of his own party in the congress to say, but it's where we are. you know, i'm kind of used to it actually too now because you talk to members of the congress, and in private, they don't even bother offering a defense of this president. they acknowledge that he says things that aren't true. just look back at what bob corker told us a few months ago in that interview where he really broke with the president. he said the president tweets things that aren't true. you know it. i know it. he knows it, but he still does it. if you talk to members of congress privately, they will
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say similar things to you. >> listen, also what jeff flake has been saying about the president. >> yeah. >> and what is reported he will continue to say. >> i saw senator flake today and he has been very outspoken about this president. he revealed to me he's about to start giving a series of speeches on the senate floor about his concern about where american democracy is. he said his first speech is going to be about what he views to be the most important issue, and that is the truth and the importance of the truth. he told me tonight, when i talked to him, he said, you know, if we don't have shared facts, it's a threat to democracy. this is not just, hey, this president says things that sort of stretch the truth. there are members of his own party who are deeply concerned that he is doing damage to the fabric of american democracy.
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and that's an extraordinary thing for them to say. >> yeah. but yet they won't say it publicly. >> unless they're retiring. >> listen, here's what i have to ask you. one of the main reasons that i'm asking you -- there are other reasons i'm asking you about this. i'm not sure if you heard the conversation i had just before you with the military folks here and talking about possibly going to war with north korea. >> yeah. >> do these people question this president's grasp of reality because that's important to the safety of the country and the world. this is a person who can declare war, who has the military codes, but then is lying and admits that he does and doesn't have a grasp of reality. that's concerning. that's important. do they voice a concern about that? >> that's a great question. and i think that, you know, senator corker mentioned this to me a few months ago. he's uneasy about it. look, i think that what these lawmakers comfort themselves with, don, is the fact that they
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believe a lot of what the president does is mere bluster, that he's blowing off steam, that he doesn't follow through with a lot of his threats, that he kind of moves on after popping off. i think they reassure themselves that he's not going to follow through with a lot of the comments that he makes, that they're merely words. and i think they look at people around the president like john kelly and certainly like jim mattis at the pentagon, and they believe that there is some restraint around the president if he does act impulsively. but for the most part, i have to say they've gotten to the point where about, you know, 11 months into this administration, they just don't believe he's going to follow through with the things that he often says and does. and they do discount a lot of his tweets and a lot of his public threats as mere bluster. >> hmm. what was it, the new word of the year i think was from merriam-webster was complicit. there's a good reason for that. jonathan, i want you to stand by
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because i want to bring in david now. david, after that "access hollywood" tape -- by the way, weren't you here that night? >> i was on with you that night. >> we kept waiting for the apology and the response from the white house. the president apologized. let's play it, and then we'll discuss about it. >> i've said and done things i regret. and the words released today on this more than a decade old video are one of them. i said it. i was wrong, and i apologize. >> okay. i said it. i was wrong, and i apologize. now, i want investigators. it's not me. it doesn't sound like me. it's -- what? >> yeah, don, right. as you said, that day that that tape came out, my "washington post" colleague david fahrenthold reported this story. we were on the air later that night waiting for the president to come out and make that statement that you just played. now that we're a year -- a little more than a year later,
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you probably would expect the president at this point still, love him or hate him, to not acknowledge the many allegations against him by women who have accused him of sexual harassment or sexual assault. you wouldn't expect him to acknowledge things that he could still potentially be in jeopardy for. you would expect anyone, especially the president of the united states, to acknowledge a tape that we've all heard with our own ears and for which he already apologized in a videotaped address that you just played. but that is the lengths to which president trump will go to try and sort of rewrite history in these cases. whether it's on that, whether it's on president obama's birth certificate, on a whole host of issues, as jonathan reported. it's a great report by jonathan and maggie by the way as always. >> you just don't expect the president of the united states to lie just as my dad would say, flat foot in your face. >> well, apparently now we do as jonathan reported. and for everyone who reads that
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story, what i took away from those quotes, from those members of congress who were speaking on background, was this idea that they've already priced in that you can only sort of take everything the president says to them in private with a grain of salt. you talk to the president. again, i'm going by my take from these quotes. you talk to the president. he says some things. some of it you know is probably not that true. some of it maybe is true. then you move on and work with members of the administration or other members of your party in congress, but not taking the president fully at his word. that was the gist of what some of those folks were telling jonathan in that story, and i think a year in to a four-year term, that is where a lot of people are. and it's unfortunate because, you know, we all expect politicians and political operatives to spin. it's another thing to just flatly go against what people know very well from their own eyes and ears. >> listen, i want you to -- remember this. i want to play this for you. this is a strange press conference the president gave
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during the campaign where he finally walked back from the birtherism, although it was tepid. let's take a look at it. >> okay. >> barack obama was born in the united states, period. now we all want to get back to making america strong and great again. thank you. >> i just -- as a black person, seeing those people behind him, the people of color applauding, it's like really? i mean come on. the former president, who he made up those bogus claims about, said that all along, i can't believe how ridiculous this is. we have better things and much more important things to deal with. and then once he becomes the president-elect, he says he was born in the united states. it's clear that he didn't believe it. he didn't want to say it. and he doesn't believe that now.
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maybe he does, but maybe there's some reason he's saying it because he just doesn't like the president who he inherited a great economy from, he inherited a great job market from, who he continues to say, you know, oh, well, the stock market's doing great. doing great for years under barack obama. maybe he's just -- i wonder what he would have said had he inherited what barack obama inherited from the president before him, what he would have to say about that president. >> two things, don. first of all, clearly as you say, there is something particularly loathsome about the way president trump as a candidate glommed on to the birther movement as a way to sort of crawl his way to the top of the heap in presidential politics. but leaving that aside for a moment because we've talked about this a lot on your show. let me go into what you just said. that the president -- part of this is about president obama, and part of it is about president trump himself. it's about obama to the degree that, as you say, he still feels
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like he's in competition with president obama. he brags rightly that the stock market is up 20% since he's been president. but the stock market was up 150% over obama's eight years, and president trump knows that. and i think his behavior suggests that he's in competition with president obama. the part of this that's about president trump and really regardless of president obama or any of president trump's predecessors is that our presidents from george washington to president obama, look, you have to have a healthy ego to run for president, to say, i can be the leader of the free world. but most presidents come to the job with an agenda and trying to accomplish something for their legacy for history. with president trump, so far the ethos that he has demonstrated is that he's daily seeking affirmation of himself, and that's where you get the situation where president trump often is saying behind the scenes that he can't sort of accept the results of the election or can't accept president obama's birth
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certificate or can't, you know, affirm that he said what he said on the "access hollywood" tape and then apologized for publicly on the "access hollywood" tape because those things don't redound to the image that he wants to have. >> so much more to talk about. unfortunately i only have so many hours in the day and so many hours in this broadcast. thank you. jonathan, thank you. i appreciate it. >> thanks, don. >> i wonder what you're going to be reporting tomorrow or in the next couple of hours. i want to bring in now "new york times" columnist nicholas kristof, who has been standing by patiently here. what do you make of this? >> you know, presidents always exaggerate. they spin. but they're always at least tethered to reality, sometimes with a long tether. president trump is the first president i've seen who is simply untethered. you know, he's been this way not only for the last year, but he's been this way for decades. and i think what is also unusual is that typically when we elect a flawed person as president, as
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we often do, that person does grow into the presidency. president trump has had a remarkable ability to stay absolutely the same as he's always been. >> you're being kind saying flawed. >> yes, i am. >> yeah. and the thing that people don't want to talk about is that this is not rational. this is not sane. this is crazy. >> i mean i think there are two aspects here. one is the degree to which this demeans the u.s., degrades the presidency. >> before you say that, this is hard to say something like that. it's hard to call the president a liar. it's hard to question the president's grasp of reality because as a journalist, i feel that i have more respect for the office that he holds than he has. and so as a journalist and the person who is supposed to call into question, supposed to hold the president's feet to the fire, i feel an obligation to say that this is nuts. this is insane.
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>> but i do think that we -- i think you're absolutely right, but i do think we respect the office by holding the people who hold that office accountable. >> exactly. >> and i think that our job as journalists has to be to try to continue that truth squatting and this raises obvious questions about what this does to american soft power, to the role of the presidency, but also to the degree to which decisions are made based on facts as opposed to some kind of alternative reality. >> yeah. this is what the other reporter in the piece, maggie haberman, tweeted. she said, re the access hollywood, it was one of the rare moments he felt public humiliation in his life. so people who know him say he is trying to will it away to some extent when he talks about it. what is going on? is he gaslighting himself? like what is that >> i really do think there is a continuous pattern here.
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what he's doing now with that "access hollywood" tape is exactly the same thing he was doing in the late 1960s when he was caught denying blacks access to his apartment buildings in new york city. and he absolutely denied what was crystal clear, what was proven in documents. and this has been a continuous pattern throughout his career. i mean frankly, you know, a lot of other countries do this too. i spent five years in china where political leaders routinely, if they don't like a reality, they just construct an alternative one. and any connection with reality is largely coincidental. i think that is to some degree what president trump is doing. if a fact situation doesn't work, he invents a new one. >> we have, you said, the luxury of saying it happens over there, but it doesn't happen in the greatest democracy in the world, the greatest country in the world. and now those sort of
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dictatorial behaviors and -- is being used on american people. >> and it has a real cost. >> and speaking of, north korea, because i want to turn to north korea now. the president is now reacting. this is the frightening part. north korea's launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile earlier today. watch this. >> as you probably heard and some of you have reported, a missile was launched a little while ago from north korea. i will only tell you that we will take care of it. we have general mattis in the room with us, and we've had a long discussion on it. it is a situation that we will handle. >> so that was toned down, and it should be. there was no rocket man. there was no fire and fury. what is behind that? do you think he realizes the seriousness of the moment? >> boy, i hope so. i think there's a lot of nervousness in congress and
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actually in the pentagon that there's a growing recognition that our strategy has failed. our strategy had been to get china to apply pressure to north korea through sanctions, to get north korea to change its behavior. that no longer -- i don't think anybody thinks that is working. i think it's also clear that our strategic aim, which was to get denuclearization of the korean peninsula, is also not feasible. right now we have a strategic aim that is not feasible. we have a tactic and a policy that is not working. and so there's a lot of anxiety that what's left that president trump may, as he has promised, talk about military options. and presidents have thought about this since president nixon in 1969. they've always pulled back because those options are so awful. >> i know you know the power of your words, and i can feel you weighing them every time you come here. but i always appreciate your candor. i think when you come on this show, you're always honest, but i think you're even more honest,
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does the president actually believe the words that come out of his own mouth? you have to wonder that in the face -- the president has made over 1600 false or misleading claims since taking the oath of office. which according to the washington post, works out to be more than five per day. does he believe what he is telling us? is he gaslighting himself? or is he gaslighting us? that provocative question from "vanity fair." we're going to dig deeper into that. but here's a refresher for you. gaslighting according to psychology today happens when a person causes a victim to question reality. that could certainly apply to
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the president, who regularly denies the things that we all know to be true. things we have seen with our own eyes and heard with our own ears. we remember when he was caught on tape saying this. >> i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- i start kissing them, it's like a magnet. and when you're a star, they let you do it, anything you want. >> they let you do it? >> you can do anything. >> tonight, "the new york times" reports that before his naugization, trump told a republican senator that he wanted to investigate that recording, even though he himself admitted he said those words and apologized for saying them. >> i said it, i was wrong. and i apologize. >> so which is it, mr. president, should we believe your apology then or your apparent denial now? i want to bring in tina nguyen who wrote that article.
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and cnn's michael dantonio. julia yaffe who is a staff writer for the atlantic. tina, you wrote a great piece in "vanity fair" whether the president is gaslighting himself. you write -- when donald trump tells a half truth or all-out lie, he does so with assurance that it is often impossible to tell whether the president is deliberately disassembling, creating more comfort i comforting fictions for himself or simply confused. give us some examples. >> the one that comes to mind is the feud he had with jeff flake who delivered a blistering indictment of him when he announced his retirement. when asked to respond, he said, i don't know who jeff flake is, he's never met me. he certainly had a lot of things
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to say about me, but jeff flake and trump had met months before he was even elected. i could go on and on and on. >> gop tax cut, you said there's one. >> yeah, he claims he's not going to get any sort of benefit from the tax cut, which is pretty incorrect. the entire history of covering donald trump has been what he's saying matching up with the truth. >> what about the fake renoir painting? >> he has a painting in his house that he insists is real. even though the actual one is hanging up in the chicago institute of arts. and that one has been debunked for ages. but he still insists he has the real one. >> we've been talking about this "new york times" reporting that says president trump continues to insist the voice on the access hollywood tape isn't him. and he's questioning the authenticity of barack obama's birth certificate behind closed doors. he also claims he lost the popular vote because of widespread voter fraud.
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is he trying to hoodwink the public, or does truth even matt tore him? does he possibly believe these things? >> i think it's something that he decides on a moment by moment basis. so his pattern is to establish many different claims about the same thing. so he could at one moment say that president obama was not born in the united states. then he could say i'm sending detectives to honolulu to investigate, and then say oh, they're finding amazing things, and none of those things are true. but it's a great story to tell he can fall back on, and then i think he really does imagine that we're all buying this. that we only are aware of what he's saying in the moment. it's almost as if he's living out what he declared would be his life.
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when he was much younger he said his life is a comic book, and he's the star of it. he also said, the hoe is trump, and it's sold out every night. so he orchestrates his life as if it's a dramatic performance. and we're the audience and the people around him are props. reality just depends on what the show is that moment. and if it needs to change, he changes it. >> i see you're nodding in agreement. this is all part of the bigger picture issue that president trump has with the truth. you wrote a great piece about the president manipulating the media in a putin-esque way. you say, after years of outcry and bad press from the kremlin, every time a journalist met a grisly end, putin figured out a better way to keep the press in line. explain how president trump is doing the same thing. >> we've seen reports. it's weird i'm saying this on cnn.
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we've seen reports that one of the reasons that the time warner/at&t merger was blocked by the trump justice department was cnn's coverage. and cnn has been a constant punching bag for this president. he calls it fake news. he's at times literally like to tweet about punching cnn. this is the tactic the kremlin has figured out. they don't kill journalists any more, they just lean on the big company that owns as one of its many, many assets a cnn or a bloomberg or whatever publication, or an advertiser who among many other things, advertises in some magazine that's critical of vladamir putin. and behind the scenes they lean on them. they don't want to risk their big business empire. they stop advertising or sell
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off the media property, they get laid off, they get their salaries slashed. and they leave journalism, because they have families to support. the reason independent media died in russia is because all the outlets were shut down for economic reasons. the kremlin has perfect plausible deniability. they can say, we had nothing to do with it. if the advertisers don't want to advertise with you, you don't have an economically feasible model, it has nothing to do with putin. whereas of course it does. >> it's a fascinating conversation. i appreciate all of you for joining me here this evening. michael, julia, tina, thank you so much. when we come back, the president told me he is the least racist person. just because you say it, doesn't make it so. we're going to dive deep into president trump's history of racially insensitive statements. that's next. ot my cashback matc, is this for real? yep. we match all the cash back new cardmembers earn at the end of their first year, automatically. whoo! i got my money!
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warren over here claim of native american heritage were sure applause lines on the campaign trail. >> and pocahontas is not happy. she's the worst. when the insult was repeated in front of navajo code talkers, world war ii heroes -- >> they call her pocahontas. >> reporter: only silence followed. the democratic senator called it a racial slur. but sarah sanders defended her boss. >> i think that's a ridiculous response. >> reporter: but it's far from the only time the president has crossed racially sensitive lines. when a white supremacist rally in virginia ended in bloodshed, he suggested the counterprotesters also bore blame. while defending those marching with white supremacists. >> you had some very bad people in that group, you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. >> reporter: as the nfl players protest against police treatment of african-americans evolved, he was quick to demand their
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firing, tweeting about it numerous times, including this morning. the american public is fed up with the disrespect the nfl is paying to our country. out of control. he is, as president, who he was as a candidate. >> look at my african-american over here. >> reporter: while he bragged about support among minorities, he built his base by demonizing them. immigrants from mexico. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. they're bringing rapists and some i assume are good people. >> reporter: an american judge trump argued was biased against him. >> he's of mexican heritage and his very proud of it. >> you have sacrificed nothing. and no one. >> reporter: the muslim mother of an american soldier killed in combat after her husband spoke against trump during the democratic convention. >> she was standing there, she had nothing to say, she probably -- maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say, you tell me. >> reporter: he relentlessly and
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falsely suggested the nation's first black president barack obama was not a natural born citizen. >> if he wasn't born in this country, he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics. >> reporter: and long after evidence proved five young men, all minorities, had been wrongly convicted for a savage rape in central park in the '80s, trump refused to believe it, saying the fact that case was settled with so much evidence against them is outrageous. still in characteristic fashion, trump has continually and emphatically defended himself against charges of prejudice. >> i am the least racist person. >> are you bigoted in anyway? >> i don't think so, no. >> islam phobic? >> no, not at all. >> when people say you're racist or homophobic or islam phobic or whatever it is. or compare you to hitler. does that bother you? >> if things are true, it would bother me tremendously. >> reporter: to be sure, the president almost always doubles
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down on his remarks and his defenders deny any racist intent. for critics, those denials are less and less convincing, as more examples pile up. when we come back, is there a deeper political motive behind the president's statements, or does he actually believe all of this? us lives here. where we can find common ground... big enough to dance on. for a better us, donate to your local y today. [he has a new business teaching lessons. rodney wanted to know how his business was doing... he got quickbooks. it organizes all his accounts, so he can see his bottom line. ahhh...that's a profit. know where you stand instantly. visit quickbooks-dot-com.
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african-americans, mexicans, muslims. the latest slur against native americans, here's what he said in the middle of an event honoring navajo veterans yesterday. >> you were here long before any of us were here. although we have a representative in congress who they say was here a long time ago. they call her pocahontas. >> there was silence after that comment. because everyone in the room knew he was using a racial slur directed at senator elizabeth baron. joining me now, bakari sellers and ed martin. good evening everyone, here we are bakari, i want to read this, this is from maggie haberman. this is from "the new york times." it says, in recent months, they say mr. trump has used closed door conversations to question the authenticity of president
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barack obama's birth certificate, he claims he lost the popular vote last year because of widespread voter fraud according to advisers and lawmakers. one senator who listened as the president revived his doubts chuckled on tuesday as recalled the conversation. the president has had a hard time letting go of his claim that mr. obama was not born in the united states. the senator asked not to be named to discuss private conversations. so his political career began with birtherism, this was a conspiracy theory he peddled. he still harbors this belief. why can't he let this go? >> maybe because that's who he is. i don't think this is anything new about his character, you can go back to atlantic city, can you go back to the central park five, housing discrimination, his comments about muslim americans, about mexican americans, judge curial, we can talk about the usage of
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pocahontas under the portrait of andrew jackson. at a memorial where we remembered some world war ii veterans who fought alongside. you can go through this long litany of things. the problem we have is twofold, people are becoming desensitized when he makes racially insensitive comments. two, you have good people who are willing to set aside that and still support him anyway. so those two groups of individuals, the ones who are desensitized to this, and the ones who are putting this aside and supporting him anyway are a bigger problem than donald trump in my opinion. >> kara, what do you think? >> i happen to agree with bakari on that. i think that the excuse of, well, this is just who he is. many of us warned the american people that this is who he is but they cast that aside and didn't care and voted for him any way.
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allowing somebody like donald trump -- just because you can explain it doesn't mean you should excuse it. that's what people who supported donald trump are continuing to do now when he lies and behaves in a way that is is existential threat to our republic, to democratic norms, ideals, and institutions. every single day, something else comes out that demonstrates the threat that he poses. >> it's sour grapes. >> because he won. >> no, it's not sour grapes, pointing out what's happening, the reality in front of us is not sour grapes, those of us are concerned with how do we move forward. how do we protect the country from this, you cannot have a functioning government, when the president of the united states behaves this way. >> and i mean, he knows the comments offend people, but he doesn't want -- he says that -- he doesn't want to stop insulting people. why does he keep saying them? >> i mean, two quick comments, guys, i know we're talking about
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some of these comments and i hear them. donald trump's political career, if you look back over 25, 30 years, he's been talking about immigration and china, and other issues, in addition to some of these comments you brought up. i watched your show, i watch your show with some devotion. and i'm on frequently, when i watch the new york times reporter report a series of anonymous sources, the main one is a senator who made comments before the inauguration about the president's state of mind regarding the access hollywood. there's a reason out here in america, we look at "the new york times" and say these people are out of touch with what the news is. i mean, maggie has been on day after day now, anonymous sources about the state of mind about what the president believes on access hollywood. sarah huckabee-sanders gets out and says he hasn't changed his mind. we're listening to anonymous sources -- >> you realize these are the same reporters the president calls frequently whenever he wants to get his message out.
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he will call maggie haberman -- >> and she's so discredited why did the president call her? >> the question was why does he continue to do it when he knows it's an insult? >> about pocahontas you mean? >> why does he continue to insult even beyond pocahontas? >> i think the pocahontas comment, i don't think it's racial slur in any way. and let me say why. if you call someone who is a native american poke hcahontasp that's not a racial slur. and if you call someone who isn't a native-american pocahontas i think that isn't a slur. i think that's called making fun of someone, not a racial slur. >> we don't know that she is. >> she's already admitted -- >> regardless it's not the forum. it's inappropriate. [ overlapping speakers ] >> does anybody realize pocahontas was a real person? she's associated with james town in 1613. she was actually kidnapped by
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white colonialists and renamed rebecca and died of a horrible disease and was called a good savage. there is nothing about that story -- there is nothing about that story that you should actually use that. let me help you understand this. this is like you calling me j.j. or even more importantly you calling me leroy. >> no, it's not. >> listen, i've got to say this because i'm out of time. disney made a movie about pocahontas, and the movie was to honor her, not to make fun of her. >> exactly. and i agree it's not a slur.
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a missile was launched from north korea. it is a situation that we will handle. >> the best outcome is not to have a war. but we're not going to let this crazy man in north korea have the capability to hit the homeland. if we have to go to war to stop this, we will. >> north korea's latest threat, a new intercontinental ballistic missile, supposedly capable of reaching all of the united states. president trump says the u.s. will handle it. and senator graham says handling it could mean war. hello, everyone. i'm rosemary church. welcome to our viewers in the united state


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