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hello, everyone. i'm kate balduan. this morning, a major bombshell completely changing the landscape of morning television. "today" show host matt lauer, the cornerstone of the country's longest-running morning television program, is out, fired, today after nbc news says an employee came forward to complain of inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace. lauer's co-host, savannah guthrie, she broke the news at the top of the program this morning, just minutes after learning of it all herself.
>> all we can they we are heartbroken. i'm heartbroken for matt. he is my dear, dear friend and my partner and she is beloved by many, many people here. and i'm heartbroken for the brave colleague that came forward to tell her story and any other women who have their own stories to tell. and we are grappling with a dilemma that so many people have faced these past few weeks. how do you reconcile your love for someone with the revelation that they have behaved badly? and i don't know the answer to that. >> it is not an overstatement to say that there is no one bigger, no one more recognizable in morning television than matt. he's been with the "today" show for two decades. he's -- and just recently, he co-hosted their thanksgiving day parade coverage, just last week. and now, he's out. let's bring in brian stelter, senior media correspondent for cnn, of course, and host of "reliable sources." brian, what exactly do we know right now? i feel like there's a lot that we don't. >> we know that "the new york times" and "variety" magazine have been investigating lauer's
conduct for weeks, more than a month in one case. we don't know the details of what those outlets have found, but they have spoken with multiple women who have accused lauer of wrongdoing. and in the midst of all of that, another nbc employee reached out to the company on monday night to file a formal complaint dpens lauer. that's what triggered an investigation on tuesday and his firing overnight. and on a morning conference call just now, the head of nbc news said to staffers that lauer was accepting of the decision and was remorseful. he is disappointed in the pain this is going to cause for staffers, for his colleagues, and obviously, for the women involved. >> so, he did not deny the accusation against him? >> that is my impression, that this was a very swift decision and that he accepted the decision. i know that lauer has hired outside pr people, they may be working on a statement. so far, we haven't heard anything officially from lauer yet. i think they're waiting to see what's reported by "variety."
>> let's bring in a couple other friends to hash this out. maria guthrie, larry hackard, and hadas gold. so as i was thinking about this all today and this morning, this situation is different from others that have come out in recent. in one significant way, there was no independent reporting that came out before nbc moved on this, before he was -- it was handled swiftly and internally, even though as brian says, there were reports coming. what does that mean? >> most of the other people we've seen have been fired, term natd after nated after an expose exposed their behavior. but this has been percolating about matt for a while. and we've been looking into it, as brian said, "the new york times" and "variety" have been looking into it. and, you know, we have talked to -- i have talked to multiple people who said there were
things and all of these companies are looking at all of their people and trying to get ahead of this stuff. it's very delicate, because, you know it's coming. do you wait for it? do you get ahead of it? in this case, nbc decided to get ahead of it. and that is -- and we'll see what comes out after the fact. >> because, larry, there's no -- i don't think anyone should think that this is going to squash any story that's going to come out. >> no, not at all. and i don't know if there's a whole great deal of significance to the fact that it came out ahead of time. inside nbc, they knew it was coming. the fact that it didn't see the light of day to the ordinary reader is not that significant. they know it's coming. it's obviously imminent. >> what's your reaction to this? look, the an entire country of morning tv watchers are waking up, processing, and realizing what's going on. >> yeah, it's shocking. it was riveting television. i mean, that's undeniable, to see savannah and hoda there clearly having just found out
that this is happening. and their emotions were absolutely real. these shows trade in the idea that these are families and that they all get along. it's not entirely true, but that is part of their stock and trade. and that's part of their success. so when you have someone like matt who has weathered all kinds of issues with, , he took over successfully for bryant gumbel, there was the dismissal of ann curry and his hand in that five years ago, to see something like this is nothing short of shocking. >> and talking about that family atmosphere on morning television, brian, that's something you've written about extensively in your book, especially taking a look at the "today" show and even some of the rumors surrounding matt and affairs that he had had. but this seems to be something different, entirely. >> that's right. it was an open secret within nbc five years ago, when i was writing a book about this world, but also today, that, you know, lauer did have relationships with women that were not his wife. that was something that was written about in the tabloids, it was something that a lot of his viewers knew and accepted. however, i had never heard
allegations of harassment or assault or anything, the kind of sexual misconduct we've heard about in the last two months. certainly, many of the sources i've talked to this morning are expecting the same kind of shock you're describing, larry. even people that know lauer well who are saying, we didn't know there was this other side. we haven't seen these specific allegations yet. we don't know what was alleged monday night by this employee, but know it was severe enough by nbc to take swift action. >> and nbc news has been under a lot of heat about mishandling the ronan pharaoh investigation. >> i was going to ask about what both of you thought about that. the fact that nbc not going with ronan pharaoh's reporting, he ended up taking it to the new yorker. does that play into this? >> i don't know for a fact. i can't imagine it didn't have some kind of impact. >> what do you think? >> i think that they realized they should have pursued that story more forcefully. and that they were behind the curve on that. the morning that this story broke, and the morning that the
first "new york times" stories broke about harvey weinstein, and we had reported that ronan was working on this piece for "the new yorker," there were all of these stories about, why isn't nbc talking more about this? all of the other shows were talking about harvey. that was a top story for them. and nbc was sort of a little timid immediately out of the gate on that. and i think there was a lot of soul searching out of that, a lot of anger inside nbc after that. and so, i think they have to appear to be taking a strong hand in this. and as savannah said, this morning, they're going to be reporting it. so, they really do have to get into that. >> and they have been. >> stories in washington and los angeles and other power centers involving powerful men, not to mention the president of the united states and the allegations against him. these news outlets, nbc, this week, cbs last week, have to cover this seriously. >> and hadas, let me bring you in on this. i mean, was there anyone who was as big as matt lauer when it comes toing morning television? and with that, is that now over? what does this mean for "today"?
>> i mean, already the morning television shows were clearly changing, but you're right that matt was a huge presence. he had been there for decades, one of the most reliable faces of a huge empire that brings in tens and hundreds of millions of dollars for these networks. these are really the money-making machines of these networks and that's really important to keep in mind. now, obviously, the question is, what happens next? who will replace matt lauer? and who will replace charlie rose? it's only been one week since charlie rose was let go of cbs this morning. now i'm hearing some critics say, why not have an all-female cast. we saw savannah and hoda up. it always seems to fall these female co-hosts to talk about what happened and explain to their viewers. maybe we'll see, finally, a television morning show, a major one on one of these major networks have an all-female host cast in the morning. >> follow the lead of pbs ne
newshour, that had been doing that quite successfully for some time. >> and i think we would all agree that how the female co-hosts, how savannah, how hoda, how nora, and how gayle all handled this, which is the most impossible of impossible situations, to be put on, to say on live tv, to have to present this and report it. so admirably. >> it is. and they were so -- we've seen some really eloquent moments out of these women. because as they said, it is a tough situation. it's somebody that they are very close with. they spend so many hours with these people, every single day, at very odd hours. there's no one else really in the world who understands what their jobs are like, except for the other morning show hosts. and to have to talk about this and obviously, they still have personal relationships with these people, it just goes to show a lot of the grace that these women have on how they're handling this. >> and just, finally, i think, again, there's more to come, right? we don't -- even with matt lauer, right? we don't know, as brian says, there's a lot of unknowns,
still. >> right. right. well, with we know -- there has been some reporting this morning about an incident at the olympics in 2014, which is what this complaint was about. and so we will be learning more. and all of these companies are looking at their staffs and looking at these people that they framed, these multi-million-dollar phrases around. the "today" show is a $500 million franchise. >> that's exactly right. $500 million. what's your big takeaway this morning? >> one more thing. you have to throw in the megyn kelly factor hear. megyn kelly joined the "today" show from fox, where she had been the victim of sexual harassment. that's a thread here that's going to play in this. i think the takeaway is that these networks are taking it very seriously. as brian said, if you're going to be reporting on, whether it's congress, the president, the tech industry, as this wildfire grows, you cannot have anchors who are going to be, you know, part of the story, as well. you have to move beyond that. and even if it's $100 million franchise, you've got to deal with it, because it's going to come and roost at your door, if you don't. >> and forget the dollar amount,
but brian, finally, and i think this takes us back to where we've been when it comes to harvey weinstein and when it came to charlie rose and now it is with matt lauer, that there is a very clear different standard for everyone else and then when we look at politicians. >> and you look at washington on both sides of the aisle -- >> that's exactly right. >> democrats or republicans, there's this awkwardness, this discomfort among politicians to address the scandals in their own homes. we've seen a lot more leadership from corporate america, from the entertainment industry, and from the news industry on this issue. most importantly, there's an environment where these women feel comfortable coming forward. nbc heard a complaint, maybe they should have heard it years ago, but they heard a complaint on monday night, they fired him on tuesday night. >> guys, thank you for being here. really appreciate it. coming up for us, still, unverified, violent, anti-muslim videos, one allegedly showing a boy being beaten to death. that re-tweeted by the president of the united states.
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inflammatory, incendiary, and for some people, inexcusable. just three words to describe three anti-muslim videos that president trump presented to his nearly 44 million twitter followers this morning. they were retweets of videos from jada francen, one of the troefrl lead controversial leaders of a
far-right group in great britain. the videos claim to show muslims attacking people, and one shows two men smashing a statue of the virgin mary, although none of these videos have been verified. and now the white house is defending the president here. dan merica is joining us from the white house and phil wlblac is joining us from london to try to work through this. dan, what is the white house defending here? >> sarah sanders, after speaking with fox news a few minutes ago, spoke with a few reporters before going into the west wing and she was pressed repeatedly on these videos. does it matter that they're real? why did the president retweet them? how did they get in front of him? what her overarching defense was, it doesn't really matter whether the videos are real, because as she said, the threat is real. the threat of terrorism and that president trump, as she said, re-tweeted these videos to start a conversation about border security and immigration. i want to read to you exactly what she said. she was pushed by reporters about how re-tweeting these videos helped with border security. and she said that the reporters
were talking about border security right now, we're talking about the need for it, so i think it is accomplishing exactly that. when pressed on whether the videos were real, whether the white house or anyone in the trump administration has backed up those videos, sarah sanders basically sad, it doesn't really matter. here's exactly what she said. whether it is a real video, the threat is real. that is what the president is talking about, that is what the president is focused on dealing, those real threats. and those are real no matter how you look at it. now, she did not say how these videos got in front of president trump to then be re-tweeted to his very powerful twitter account. what we know is that most of the time, this hinges around dan scavino, a longtime trump aide, who runs his twitter account as head of social media here at the white house. we have repeatedly asked him questions about, did he find these videos? where did he find them? and he hasn't responded. but so far, the white house is defending president trump's decision to retweet these three videos, kate. >> that's pretty amazing.
phil, i think some context here really matters. what is britain first? this is the group that pushed out these videos. >> if you talk to their members, kate, they'll tell you they're christian patriots. they love britain and their values and they believe this is all under threat by the islamic faith. they fear what they call the islamicization of britain. that's one view, but a much wider view is that they're divisive, racist, and extremist. the women whose tweets president trump has forwarded to the world today has been convicted for hate crimes, for abusing a muslim woman on the street. she has other charges pending, as well. and just a short time ago, we've been waiting for this, we have some comment from the british prime minister, theresa may. this is a delicate issue for her, but she says trump was wrong to retweet these videos. she says britain first saeks to divide communities through their use of hateful narratives. this is through a spokesperson,
who goes on to say, british people overwhelmingly reject the prejudiced rhetoric of the far-right, which is the antithesis of the values these countries represent. decency, tolerance, and respect. she's trying to maintain a close working relationship with donald trump. she's been criticized a lot for it, because his views, particularly on immigration and islam are not very popular here. this is going to make it much harder for her to do that, politically, within this country. >> yeah, i think stay close to your twitter feed, theresa may, see what donald trump has to say in response. dan, thank you so much for bringing this. phil, always great to have you. thank you so much. so there's that and there is this, now to add into this conversation. truthful hyperbole. that is what he called it in "the art of the deal," alternative facts, that is how his chief counselor, kellyanne conway, has called it. what they cannot call it is objective reality. but that is not stopping the president, it appears, with new reports coming out that the president is still pushing debunked conspiracy theories a
more. "the new york times" reports that he once again is questioning the authenticity of president obama's birth certificate. in a new report, "the times" and "the washington post" are also reporting that the president continues to question the authenticity of the "access hollywood" tape, the very same "access hollywood" tape that he has already fessed up to and apologized for during the election. so, where is the reality here? and what is the president's relationship with it? cnn politics reporter and editor at large, chris cillizza is here. white house reporter for "the washington post," josh does do here as well. o i want to get to objective reality, but first let's start with this statement coming out from sarah sanders about these videos that the president retweeted and the white house defense of it. chris, what's your take? so i think this is accomplishing exactly that. talking about border security right now, tereheresa may is no coming out saying that the president is wrong. some of the president's most
vocal supporters are coming out to say, you shouldn't have done that. >> i mean, her statement is, to use a very popular phrase in academia, bananas. because it basically says, well, it doesn't matter if it's true or false. it makes the point. well, of course it matters if it's true or false. >> it kind of all fits under the same umbrella. does truth matter? yes! >> well, the answer to that is, yes. you can debate whether donald trump, the president of the united states, should be retweeting videos, even if he knew they were accurate, retweeting videos from a far-right site that aims to -- that has a very sketchy reputation in england, that aims to foment anti-islamic sentiment. that's a very worthy debate and i think donald trump probably comes out on the wrong side of it, anyway. but to do so so without knowing if they are actually -- we have
seen lots of edited video since the internet has taken hold. but to do that without knowing that they're real. and then for the official spokesperson of the government to say, it doesn't really matter if they're real or fake, they make the point, this is the definition of alternative facts. this is the definition of, facts are fungible. that you're entitled to your own facts and your own opinions. none of those things i just said are true, but that's what we're getting out of the white house. >> and josh, this shocking, yes, incendia incendiary, yes, this does not -- what he sent out today in terms of these videos, though, is not at odds with what we have heard from the president, though, in the past, from the election. i think islam hates us. and proposing that all muslims be banned from entering the country fit under the same umbrella. but, when it comes to the president's relationship, though, with the truth, if you've been investigating, does this take it a step further? >> i don't know that it takes it a step further, but as you said,
it's consistent with what we've seen in the past from the president. he's often shared conspiracy theories online. he shared websites that have been debunked. he share, you know, particular pieces of news that he presented as news that have not been confirmed in the middle of chaotic events that are still unfolding that have later proven wrong at times. the president is not someone who says, you know, let me check this first and tweet later. he's someone who often goes straight to the keys. and if he sees something he likes or something that fits his narrative or his point of view, he'll just share it immediately and see what happens. >> i do want to mauve on to -- i want to continue this discussion. i think someone who should have a voice in this, i just want to read this tweet, is brendan cox. he might not sound familiar, but he is the husband of the british mp who was murdered in 2016 and several witnesses would, at the time of his wife's murder, the mp, the killer yelled "britain first," which is this group that put these videos out. he wrote this on twitter. trump has legitimatized the far right in his own country, now
he's trying to do it in ours. spreading hate has consequences and the president should be ashamed of himself. that from brendan cox, who has a very relationship with the reality of what these kind of inflammatory ultra-right things can do. but let's get back to this, josh. you wrote about the president's relationship with reality and truth and fact. you wrote about all of this today. and what the president is telling people in terms of the "access hollywood" video is, it's really not me, i don't talk like that. i think is some of the quote that you guys have in your piece. so one, trump is lying about this. it's either the one today or the one that apologized for it back in 2016 in terms of the tape we all know what the reality is in terms of the tape, but how are people reacting around him when he tells them this stuff? >> i think people were shocked. i mean, it's something that he has explicitly apologized for. it was an embarrassing, you know, part of his tenure and then he comes to aides and people around him say, does this sound like me?
it doesn't sound like something i would say. that's not me on the tape. and people just kind of roll their eyes or say, let's just move on. it's one of the many times we've seen the president try to bend facts or narratives to his own reality. and try to convince others it is so. you know, from polls showing that he was losing and then him going on stage and saying that he was winning, from when bad things happen in the white house, like the health care failure or white house indictments, he will often call friends and project confidence and exuberance and say how terrific things are going for him. it's something where i think he even tries to convince some of his top advisers, aides, and friends that things are different than what they seem and that the facts actually show. >> add to that one, chris, that he is now again questioning president obama's birth certificate. >> yeah. >> but let's not forget this moment from the campaign, that i will never forget, happened on this -- during this program. listen to this.
>> president barack obama was born in the united states, period. >> that, of course, you'll remember, was with laike a 20, 30-minute lead-in of something else. but what gives? what gives here? >> i was going to note, as you did, kate, that was at the opening of the new trump hotel in washington, where he was facing this firestorm over, well, if you're going to be president, can you say definitively you do or do not think the guy that you're trying to replace was born in the united states. he tacked that on at the very end of his speech and basically said, well, i've addressed this. what's going on? he never really stopped believing it, would be my very strong, educated guess. he is always, josh touched on this, he is always, always telling himself a story about his life that occasionally comports with known established facts and often doesn't. he tells it to anyone who will
listen, he tells it to his aides, to a u.s. senator. he's been doing this his whole life. i always remind people, go back and read the story that "the washington post," where josh works now, where i used to work, wrote about donald trump creating a character named john miller, who was allegedly a pr executive in the trump organization, and having john miller make phone calls -- >> so it's not new, but does this stuff at some point have real consequences? i mean, there is truth in fact -- in -- welcome to the cnn brand of facts first, but -- >> prior to the 2016 election, i would say, absolutely, that the american people say, wait a minute, you know, it's the old, you're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. after the 2016 election, it feels as though there is a largish chunk of the public who thinks you're entitled to both your own facts and your own opinions. if that wasn't the case, at least on that day, november 8th with, 2016, donald trump never wins! >> right. >> i don't -- final thought, josh, i got to go.
? >> i think we've just seen, through bankruptcies, marriages, professional failures, and successes, his whose career, trump has just always been selling, always makes something better than it appears, and now it's the president of the united states, a big vindication of his live. i don't think we'll see a big change anytime soon. >> i think the one thing is the sales job, selling a brand. i think another thing is actual objective reality. >> he sees no difference, between the two. >> what the former president's birth certificate has on it. well, i see a difference and i need to say it. >> we should see a difference. >> thank you, josh. thank you, chris. >> thanks. coming up, north korea claiming it's developed a missile that cnn -- that -- north korea claiming it has a missile that now they claim can reach the east coast of the united states. today, president trump is now firing back on twitter, of course, promising major sanct n
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new sanctions are coming. that is the promise coming from president trump now. announcing it, of course, on twitter earlier this morning with this. just spoke to president xi jinping of china concerning the provocative actions of north korea. additional major sanctions will be imposed on north korea today. this situation will be handled. this all comes after north korea, of course, launched an intercontinental ballistic missile that they now claim could reach all the way to
washington, d.c. this test going further and longer than any previous test. cnn's will ripley is live from seoul, south korea, with much more on this. will, what are you hearing from there and your sources within north korea? is north korea also responding to this new sanctions threat? >> reporter: well, i spoke with a north korean official shortly after the missile launch. this is before president trump tweeted about sanctions, but in that conversation, the officials said, and this has been told to me repeatedly during every visit to pyongyang, that sanctions are sti simply not going to stop this country from developing their nuclear program. in fact, they said, repeatedly, it will only make them work harder and faster to round off their nuclear program. and so far, that's exactly what they're doing, despite round after round of sanctions. they shot this missile up ten times haigher than the international space station. and they say it can protect a nuclear warhead upon reentry into the earth's atmosphere. that's dramatic, potentially a game changer. the question is, is that going to be enough. have the north koreans proved
they have this nuclear deterrent? they told me, no, they are still unwilling to consider diplomacy with the trump administration right now. and that they still need to take it one step further and conduct another nuclear test, perhaps even aboveground, which is what north korea's foreign administers threatened back in september. of course, that was after president trump threatened to totally destroy north korea in his speech at the iunited nations. >> so that is happening. will ripley, great to see you. thank you so much. joining me now for some more perspective on this is retired admiral, john kirby, former state department spokesman and pentagon spokesman as well. john, it's great to see you. >> thank you. thanks. >> from the u.s. perspective, as will was perfectly reporting it out, from the u.s. perspective, what has changed with this launch yesterday? >> well, what it's changed, obviously, we know they have this additional capability. this new missile that can go as high as it did and as far as it did, obviously, successfully. but what's really important, kate, is what hasn't changed. and what hasn't changed, and
will hit this in his piece, is that the north continued to perfect this capability and they have no intention of slowing it down or stopping it. and the reason for that, they view the united states as an existential threat and they want to have this insurance policy at their behest, if they need it. and also to have this card, should we get the negotiations with them in any way, that they have the capability to take to the table with them. so thesenat hasn't changed. and i think we can expect with regardless of whatever sanctions were put in place, they're not necessarily going to have an immediate effect in terms of slowing this program down. >> well, no sanction ever has an immediate effect, or at least rarely, rarely does. it takes time to set in. what sanctions are left? and where would they come from? are we talking about u.n. sanctions? is that what you're -- where you would look? >> well, i think we can look at both. both unilateral sanctions by the united states and the impression i'm getting from the president's tweet is that he's not ruling that out. and that's fine.
but i think he also is referring, since he talked about sanctions in lieu -- in light of his discussions with president xi, he must be talking, i think, about international sapnctions, u.n. sanctions. you're right, sanctions take time. that doesn't mean they can't be effective over time. it was sanctions that led the iranians to the table that got us the iran deal. and if you would have told me a year ago that china would be cracking down on natural gas exports into north korea or that they would completely eliminate their seafood imports from north korea, i would have laughed at you. so the chinese have done more. and that's a credit to the trump administration and the pressure that they've been putting on them. now, they can do more in terms of oil. and maybe that's what the president's going to explore with them. >> what do you make of donald trump's somewhat measured response, basically saying, we will handle this. i mean, i haven't heard fire -- i haven't heard fire and fury yet today. >> i was actually glad to see that. i think it's a sign that the president is more in line with
his national security team. a national security team that has, i think, handled the north korea situation commendably. they have increased international pressure. they have endorsed and continued to pursue, as tillerson said yes, diplomatic solutions, and of course on the defense front, you have secretary mattis is making sure that we can meet our security commitments there in the region. they've done a good job trying to deal with what is definitely a much more urgent situation. i see the president's response, at least i hope to see it as a sign that he is stepping in line, more in line with his national security team. >> well, there's also, though, as will ripley is being told, that north korea says that they are not interested in any diplomatic conversation right now. and that kind of takes us back to where rex tillerson was trying to, maybe that's how we say it, have some conversations with north korea and then the tweet from president trump, saying don't waste your time, rex. they only know one thing. do you see a window still of a
viable option of a diplomatic outcome right now? >> i do. i absolutely do, kate. but it's going to require, as all diplomacy does, it's going to require compromise. we're going to be able to have to give the north something. maybe it's a recognition that they have the capability, even though we want to see a denuclearized peninsula -- >> but wasn't one of the last things we heard from president trump, was that the goal was they totally denuclearize north korea? >> yeah. >> that doesn't seem -- >> and kate, it still can be done. and i think that's still the right policy. it's the policy that the two administrations prior had. and it can still be what we duoto, eventually. but maybe in the interim, you've got to acknowledge that they have this capability and use that as a place to sit down at the table. because they want this recognition, for sure. they want the world to know that they have this capability. maybe we just need to compromise a little bit more than we have so far. i think that's really the only way that diplomacy works. and that's a difficult thing to do. compromise is a dirty word in this town, and unfortunately, in these recent days, but i think
that's whatwe we're going to ha to pursue. >> and words and using them delicately seems to be something lacking in the town, as well. great to see you, thank you so much zp much. >> you bet, kate. coming up next, we have some breaking news coming in. donald trump jr. will be testifying to congress on his contacts with russia and russians during the campaign. what this means. he will be heading to the hill. that's next. okay folks! let's get the lady of the house back on her feet. and help her feel more strength and energy in just two weeks. yaaay! the complete balanced nutrition of ensure with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. ensure. always be you. was supposed to be a wake reup call for our government?sh
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cnn's senior congressional correspondent, manu raraju, has all the details for us now from the hill. what else are you picking up? >> donald trump jr. remains of significant interest to several committees that are conducting different russia investigations and has yet to speak to members of congress as part of the investigations. he did in september talk to the senate judiciary committee staff, but he has not spoken to any members. and certainly not the house intelligence committee, which has just reached an agreement with donald trump jr. for him to appear on december 6th, next week, in a closed session, where he'll be interviewed by members. now, he is, of course, of interest, because of contacts that he had with russians during the campaign season, particularly that june 2016 meeting at trump tower, in which he was promised dirt from the russians on clinton, a meeting that is actually still under investigation on capitol hill. yesterday, one of the people who was at that meeting, a russian translator, was interviewed also by the house intelligence committee, all part of an effort
to understand exactly what happened and bring dronald trum jr. in to ask him further questions. moreover, kate, there was also the recent revelation that donald trump jr. did have correspondents with wikileaks during the campaign season. expect that to be a significant portion of the questions, as well. and the senate intelligence committee still wants to bring donald trump jr. in for its own questioning some time later this year, some time in december, perhaps. and the senate judiciary committee, keeping open the option of a public hearing at some point, but no agreement on that front yet. but the first time we'll see him, next week before members of congress, when he meets with the house intelligence committee, kate. >> i said when he went up to the hill and met with members of staff, this will be a remarkable moment. the president's son heading to testify before members of congress, even in this closed session, is just going to be another historic moment to be watching next week. thank you, manu. >> reporter: thanks, kate. so amid everything today, president trump is hitting the
road. after wheeling and dealing on capitol hill yesterday, he is now off to try to sell the republican tax reform plan directly to voters. does that mean he's got all the support he needs locked up in the senate already? what's the sales pitch? we're going to get the lay of the land, next. (vo) when you wake up with
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all eyes on the white house right now as the president trump is heading out taking his sales pitch for tax reform on the road today. speaking at a rally in missouri later this afternoon. does that mean that he has all the votes that he needs locked up on capitol hill specifically the senate? let's find out.
correspondent sunlen serfaty joining me now following all of this. things shifted yesterday quite a bit. >> where do things stand right now? >> they certainly did shift, kate. there was a feeling within republican leadership that there is a sense of momentum that they are on the right track where they need to be right now. but certainly the sense is that this is a very delicately balanced at any moment things could tip and get offtrack. that's why it was significant we saw the senate budget committee vote the bill out of committee up here yesterday. that moving forward despite some real concern among members of that committee most notably ron johnson. he has concerns about this bill but yes, he said he will push the bill forward. move the process forward, bring it to the senate floor to a vote. he's made clear he and numerous other senators, republican senators i should say have serious concerns over specifics of this bill and they're pushing right now to make those changes. with president trump up here on the hill yesterday and furiously
behind the scenes there are a lot of promises being promised, a lot of agreements being made. currently, they are really working behind closed doors to put pen to paper and make sure that those promises and those deals that are being brokered are turning flow legislative text. so you have the sense from the republican leadership that as they're making deals, they don't want to rock the boat too much either way. they have such a razor close margin, they can only afford to lose two republican senators going forward. that's why it's delicately balanced. they want to make sure the folks on board with these changes are on board after the changes are made. >> well, and i mean, if past is prolong, can they trust the president as in susan collins when it comes to things they want, can they trust the president will be with them for those promises which might need to come in the budget bill passed in a separate piece of legislation separate from the what we're talking about here. regardless, with all of the
changes that could be needing to become to keep these votes in line, is the timeline changing? >> the timeline right now is i have to say very swift. republican leaders have been bullish. there will be a procedural vote today that likely sets up a final vote either late thursday or early friday morning, a final vote on the tax bill in the senate. of course, after that, the house and senate have to go to conference. and reconcile the differences between the bill. we heard from kevin mccarthy earlier today. he's let his folks know in the house they should intend to stay potentially late friday or come back early monday. super quick and swift here. they intend to push this through. there are a lot of hurdles in the last days and weeks that still are -- remain within their own party. kate? >> yeah, first things first. let's see what actually they end up voting on on the floor of the senate. sunlen, great to see you. stay tuned. outrage from even some of the president's own supporters. the most vocal supports today
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