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yes! yes, indeed. amazing speed, coverage and control. all with an xfi gateway. find your awesome, and change the way you wifi. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. just getting close to 11:01 on the east coast. we're live with breaking news on the russia investigation. cnn learning exclusively that jared kushner has met with the robert mueller's investigators to answer questions about michael flynn. more on that in a moment plus shocking new details about the shocking harassment also allegations against matt lauer. who was fired by nbc today. just like a growing number of powerful men in media suffering swift consequences, the people believe but the president of the united states is a different story. despite accusations from 13 women. and you've got ask yourself, why is that? let's get right to the breaking news first.
tonight on the russia investigation, a cnn exclusive. we're learning that senior white house adviser jared kushner has met with the special counsel's office as part of its investigation into russian meddling. pamela brown here with the details for us. pamela, good evening to you. we have learned that jared kushner met with the special counsel robert mueller's team regarding the investigation into russia meddling. how significant is this meeting? >> it's significant in the context that this is the first meeting between roy moorebert ms team, the special counsel, and son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner. it was a meeting that took place earlier this month, it lasted around 90 minutes or less and the predominate focus was on michael flynn and what jared kushner could tell them about his relationship with flynn, any communications they had with flynn. anything they could glean from him, any excullpatory informatin
on flynn, who, as we know, don, is under investigation, a target in the russia probe. so it is an indication given the fact that this interview was really focused on michael flynn, that mueller's team is focused. it's very serious about michael flynn in that investigation. and that jared kushner in this case was being treated as a witness here, don. >> interesting. let's talk a little bit more about that drill down on it because they asked kushner specifically about michael flynn. did he reveal anything and what does this mean for flynn? >> reporter: well, i can tell you that we don't know specifically what it revealed, but they had a close relationship during the campaign, during the transition, and during the administration. the early days before flynn was fired because kushner had foreign policy in his portfolio. flynn was the former national security adviser and he was also flynn and kushner were at the time meeting at trump tower with the russian ambassador sergey kislyak during the transition. so their paths crossed, their
schedules intersected. so it would make sense that he'd want to talk to kushner about flynn. and it indicates that the noose is tightening around michael flynn, that they want to talk to those who were closest to him that could shed the most light and that they're building a case around michael flynn. and as we know, there are indications that there may be a plea deal being worked out right now, because his lawyer, michael flynn's lawyer, has stopped sharing information with other lawyers in the case. >> what about him cooperating? >> that's right. kushner has voluntarily cooperated with all of the relevant inquiries and will continue do so. and it's worth noting here that, as i said before, in this case he was being treated as a witness, providing information about michael flynn and typically a defense attorney would not allow a client to go in front of special counsel in this capacity if the belief was that the client was, in fact, a target. don. >> pamela brown, appreciate your
reporting. now i want to bring in david rhode and michael zeldin who was the former special assistant and john dean, former nixon white house counsel. thank you all for coming on. david, i'm going to start with you. what information could kushner have regarding flynn, and why would mueller's team -- what would they want to find out from them? >> flynn is so interesting because he had the most interactions with russia. he was the one attending the dinner with putin before the campaign. and it is, pam's essentially right, this is more and more pressure on flynn, you know, repeated contacts with the russians during the campaign. you know, the pressure that flynn's son might face charges and it's very methodical and clearly flynn is the focus here. >> more about flynn than kushner. >> yes. and to be fair to the white house, they're cooperating. kushner did go and meet today, he turned over these documents. there's questions about some of his disclosure forms, but the ty cobb strategy, the president has said let's cooperate and play this out with mueller,
he'll be fair to us, for now that view is holding. we'll see if it holds if more charges are brought. >> and as pamela showed to your point, his lawyer said mr. kushner has voluntarily cooperated with all relevant inquiries and will continue do so. michael, i want to bring you in now. the kushner meeting happened earlier in the month as has been reported but we have learned only in the last few days that flynn's legal team is no longer communicating with the white house. and there are lots of speculation about a plea deal. what do you think? >> well, this surely portends that when flynn said to the other people in the group, we have no mutuality of interest, our paths are departing from one another, that's an indication that he's trying to work out a plea deal and/or trying to work out a plea deal and a cooperation agreement. what mueller is going to do with kushner is tie up loose ends, make sure he has everything he needs to know about flynn known so that no surprises come. because the fact that they may be negotiating plea agreements and cooperation agreements,
doesn't mean that they'll in the end achieve them. so mueller doesn't want to lose the time or the evidentiary value of kushner and therefore he's tying this all up with a ribbon and he's ready to present to flynn and his attorney and his son's attorney what it is that they think they can prove and what it is that flynn can offer them in exchange. >> john, kushner has also been under scrutiny himself for meetings with russians, failing to report contacts. is there any indication that he is out of the woods? >> there's no indication he's out of the woods. this sounds like a very standard operating procedure by a prosecutor to have a very carefully tailored agreement to discuss these matters with a person who is trying to be a witness rather than a target. and that's what mr. kushner came in and volunteered information. it's clear that -- i'm sure there were parameters, for
example, the president could have theoretically if they've gotten outside of the time of the campaign and into his service in the white house could have invoked executive privilege. they didn't have that hurdle to deal with. they obviously disposed of that going in. so as i say, this is not an unusual arrangement. and as michael said, they're testing their case and probably going to present it to flynn and his son pretty soon to see what they're going to do. >> i just want to ask you, michael, because, you know, from what we know now about this, this is more about flynn than kushner, but, you know, as john just said he's not out of the woods. we don't know. if kushner said something that was inaccurate to the counsel or any of his communications with the counsel or investigators, what could that mean for him? is there a possibility of perjury? >> well, he's not under oath so it's not perjury, but if he makes a false statement to mueller and his fbi investigators, it can be prosecuted as a false statement
if it was done knowingly and intentionally and involved a material aspect of the inquiry. if he makes a mistake that's correctible and he corrects it later on, that's not likely to give rise to a false statement's prosecution. so false statements really is purposeful misleading, purposeful lies. and i'd be very surprised with kushner with the capability that abbe lowell brings to the team that kushner's going to find himself in a 1,001 false statements trap. >> david, tell us about what we know about the relationship between kushner and flynn. >> they were very close during the campaign and i think that's part of why they were speaking to kushner today. it's been amazing sort of, you know, kushner's position is sort of up in the air but they sort of rose together. flynn sort of burnt out spectacularly in the first months of the administrations and then there was these continued contacts. kushner's own meeting with the russian banker. so their paths have diverge and i just wonder if kushner's
trying to help him or not as he's -- again, flynn faces the most legal jeopardy here. his son faces the most legal jeopardy. >> what do you mean if kushner is trying to help him or not? >> well, i -- you know, this could be an effort -- i think he's being truthful today. we had charges before about another person lying to an fbi agent. so the cooperation might help flynn, you know. we don't know what he's being asked and, you know, kushner might be defending him in these meetings, to be fair. >> why would mueller's team be so interested in a plea deal with flynn if he didn't have something big to tell him, john? >> i don't think they will be interested in a plea deal unless he does have something big to tell him. they don't -- they probably have not put flynn in front of a grand jury at this point. they haven't really probed him to see if -- what he wants to talk about or what the story his attorney mentioned to the congressional people earlier he had to tell. so i think, you know, they probably know a good bit about where he might go or they think he might go. and that's what they'll test.
>> yeah. john, michael, david, thank you very much. i appreciate it. when we come back, a tale of two scandals. matt lauer fired within hours of after just one allegation of sexual harassment. president trump who has been accused by 13 women is a very different story. it's what's insiden't the person who opens it. give ancestrydna, the only dna test that can trace your origins to over 150 ethnic regions. save 30% for the holidays at ancestrydna.com. ayep, and my teeth are yellow.? time for whitestrips. crest glamorous white whitestrips are the only ada-accepted whitening strips proven to be safe and effective. and they whiten 25x better than a leading whitening toothpaste. crest. healthy, beautiful smiles for life. cedric, i couldn't even bowl with my grandkids 'cause of the burning, shooting pain in my feet. i hear you, sam. cedric, i couldn't sleep at night because of my diabetic nerve pain. i hear you, claire,
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but the president of the united states is a very different story, in spite of of accusations from 13 women. you've got ask yourself, why is this? the president would like you to forget what his accusers have said, but their stories are important. here they are in no specific order. number one, nina lex yon son, a former mississippi finland. in 2006 while posing for a picture with trump and another contestant she says, quote, he grabbed my butt before an appearance on the late show with david letterman. number two, jessica leads, she says she sat next to trump on a flight around 1980. here's how she described it to our anderson cooper. >> he was grabbing my breasts and trying to turn me towards him. and kissing me and then after a bit that's when his hands started going -- i was wearing a skirt, and his hands started going towards my knee and up my
skirt. >> donald trump told a "new york times" reporter, quote, none of this ever took place. number three, mindy mcgillogray. she told a palm beach post that trump groped her 14 years ago when she was a assisting a photographer at mar-a-lago '. >> he didn't give me a second glance. he knew what he did. i know he knew what he did. i could tell by looking at his smug face he knew what he did. >> the trump campaign threatened a lawsuit, which has yet to happen. number four, rachel crooks says 12 years ago she was a receptionist at the building where trump worked. after she said hello and shook his hand, she says trump kissed her on her cheeks and then on the mouth. she told "the new york times," quote, i was so upset that he thought i was so insignificant that he do that. jason miller who was then a trump spokesman called the times article fiction. number five. natasha stoynoff, a writer for
people magazine was at mar-a-lago in 2005 to write about trump and his wife's one year anniversary. she says trump pushed her against a wall and started, quote, forcing his tongue down her throat. trump's campaign told people the incident never happened. number six. temple taggart, a former ms. utah claims trump gave her a nonconsensual embrace and kissed her on the lips during a rehearsal for miss usa when she was 21 years old. taggart says trump did it again later at a meeting at trump tower. she spoke to erin burnett. >> he's married, he's much older, had is not at all what i came here for. >> told nbc, quote, i don't even know who she is. number seven, kristin anderson says she was at a manhattan nightclub in the early 1990s sitting on a couch talking to friends. this is what she says happened next. >> the person on my right who
unbeknownst to me at that time was donald trump put their hand up my skirt. he did touch my privates threw my underwear. >> spokeswoman hope hicks called the story, quote, a political attack designed to take down mr. trump. number eight, summer was an apprentice contestant. she says trump first kissed her during a meeting in new york but since she says she hoped to get a job at the trump organization she met with him for dinner and says she was escorted into a room next to where he was getting dress. she claims he later kissed her, quote, very aggressively and placed his hand on my breast. >> he treated me like i was an object to be hit upon. i was incredibly embarrassed by your sexual advances and shared this information with a select few people close to me. you do not have the right to treat women as sexual objects just because you are a star. >> in a statement trump said, quote, i never met her at a
hotel or greeted her inappropriately a decade ago. number nine, kathy heller says she met trump at mar-a-lago during a mother's day brunch 20 years ago. she told the guardian she had been introduced to donald trump by her mother-in-law. she said he, quote, took my hand and grabbed me and went for the lips. all without her consent. jason miller called that a false accusation. number ten, jill hart, says she and her then boyfriend were involved in a business venture with donald trump. she says trump made unwanted sexual advances towards her, including groping her under her skirt on two occasions in 1992 and 1993. hope hicks said in a statement to cnn, quote, mr. trump denies each and every statement made by ms. hart. number 11. jessica drake. an adult film performer and director says trump invited her to his suite at a charity golf tournament in lake tahoe, and
that was in 2006. she brought two other women with her because she says she didn't feel comfortable going alone. >> he grabbed each us tightly in a hug and kissed each one of us without asking permission. he was wearing pajamas. >> she also says trump offered her $10,000 and the use of his private plane if she would go out to dinner or attend a party with him. the trump campaign statement called the story totally false and ridiculous. number 12. karina virginia is a yoga instructor and a life coach. she said she encountered trump in 1998 while waiting for a car service outside the u.s. open. >> he then walked up to me and reached his right arm and grabbed my right arm. then his hand touched the right inside of my breast.
i was in shock. i flinched. don't you know who i am? don't you know who i am? that's what he said to me. >> and then there is a 13th accuser who wishes to remain anonymous. she's a friend of cnn's erin burnett and she says trump tried to kiss her on the lips at trump tower in 2010. she says he invited her into his office alone, told her she was special, and gave her his cell phone number. she told erin, quote, i ran the hell out of there. 13 women, 13 stories that should make any honorable person ashamed. when we come back, why the president seems to brush off all of these accusations against him while more and more men face swift consequences. oh, look... another anti-wrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen.
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you heard the stories before the break of 13 women who have accused president trump. he denies every single one of them. and he is doubling down on his support for roy moore, an accused child molester. here to discuss that, former congresswoman nan hayworth of the independent women's forum board of directors, and jennifer granholm a cnn senior political commentator. thank you so much for coming on. this is a very difficult conversation and i've been having it for quite some time now for the allegations against the president, against matt lauer, against harvey weinstein, and on and on. the president says all of his accusers are lying, but is he getting a pass on his behavior? >> he's totally getting a pass. i mean, let's just realize, we all know that there is a spectrum of behavior that we're talking about here. i think we can all agree, i hope nan would agree too, child molestation and what roy moore is accused of, if
somebody's accused of rape, if somebody's accused of some forceful crime, that's in a different ballpark. and then we have this other spectrum of activity that we're seeing, members of congress be accused of. we don't know. we got 13, maybe even 15 people accusing the president of a variety of totally inappropriate things. so maybe we need to have for congress and the president -- maybe we need to have a structure, a system to be able to investigate these in a way that is quick and that respects the victims. like they have in the private sector. nbc had a system in place, within 24 hours they had interviewed, they had made a decision, and they took action. maybe we need something -- >> it's less than that. >> -- transparent and quick like that. >> so listen, the consequences, nan, have been swift for so many others in hollywood and media and business, is the president being
held to a different standard? >> i don't think so at all, don. there's due process and there is an evidentiary standard -- >> what due process? >> well, due process for anyone governor granholm, with all due respect, who is accused of very serious crimes potentially. i mean, to be -- >> what's the structure of due process for him, though? >> well, there is a standard of evidence that applies in any of these cases no matter the stature or the position in life of the person. >> but that all requires the victim to bring a lawsuit. you're talking about a court standard. >> okay. but otherwise -- >> that didn't happen in the private sector with any of these. >> accusations can fly back and forth. there's, you know -- >> that's why i'm saying that we need a structure for this. >> it's possible to make an accusation that is unsubstantiated. that's been the case with the president. >> let me ask you this. 13 women and there are more according to other news organizations but the ones that we have here at cnn 13 have accuse the president of sexual misconduct. are they all lying?
>> it's entirely possible they're all lying. certainly in at least one case, in at least one case the design of airline seats alone, i remember then, i don't remember the woman's name, but the design of airline seats alone in that era, in the situation she described would make it impossible for the president to have done anything like what she accused him of. >> this is what's so frustrating. this is so frustrating. >> i said that about -- by the way, i said that about al franken too. >> you cannot talk to her -- okay. all i'm saying is that neither of us sitting here can make the judgment because we haven't talked with the women, we haven't heard the evidence. but what i'm suggesting is that if we are talking about an investigation of al franken or of john conyers, we should be having a structure in place to investigate these allegations as well because there is nothing other than somebody taking a president to court and he's the president so he's got immunity and there is -- this is a very,
very difficult situation. unless there is some kind of structure to investigate. the president should not be immune from investigation either. >> other politicians are under scrutiny too, senator al franken, congressman john conniers. are they all being held accountable? >> al franken has said that he wants -- he's called forth the investigation from the ethics committee. john conyers, same thing. he should be -- they all should be investigated. but the problem is is that in congress the investigation process is very long and it's not transparent. this is why congresswoman jackie spear has called for a different kind of process. she wants it to be more transparent. i would hope she wants it to be we all want it to be shorter. we don't want investigations that take four years. there's no other mechanism for victims, victims to come forward and tell their story. we have to respect the victims here and not just protect the people who are accused. >> well, we have to -- we have
to protect all who are involved, governor granholm, and it's -- a >> i agree. >> -- a victim is not a victim unless there is a valid accusation. and i'm sure that everybody would agree that these matters, yes, do have to be investigated, but they remain speculative unless and until there's proof. >> the only way to bring it is usually through the legal process. and in many of these case, whether it involves the president or bill cosby or whomever, the statute of limitations has run out. the president promised before the election that after he would sue all of these women, that has not happened. >> no. >> wouldn't that be a way to bring due process? >> i don't think the president has any desire to make these women's lives difficult. i think he has -- >> uh, well, except for he's accused them all of lying. >> okay. well, but governor, he is a prominent -- he's a prominent target and there's no question
at all that there's a lot of political risk to everyone involved in public life who might potentially be accused of a crime of any sort. these are particularly. >> and to the women. >> troubling and. >> and to the women as well. >> and to women and men who might, indeed, be the victims of sexual assault or abuse. there's no question. and i think a lot of what we're talking about as the reason this is so important in our public discourse is because clearly we are entering a new era of scrutiny, of transparency, of process, of liability. i think every transaction, every interaction that we have with each other will become much different in a lot of ways, in terms of just the level of vigilance that everybody's going to have going forward. >> i have ten seconds if you want the last word. >> i certainly think that's not a bad thing.
>> i'm not saying it's a bad thing. i just think it's a fact. >> i don't think it's a bad thing that people are for vigilant. but i do think that congress and the president are not above the law and there is no. >> of course not. >> and there is no system in place to investigate the president right now, and there should be. >> due process. >> we've got to show you an incredible moment in a courtroom caught on camera and i have to warn you it's very disturbing. it's a war criminal, a former commander of croatia forces during the bosnia war committed suicide while drinking poison the middle of court. it happened as the judge announced the verdict who interrupted the proceedings with a loud outburst then he drank from a vile of liquid he smuggled into the chamber. >> you may be seated. >> honorable judges, he is not a war criminal, and i accept your verdict with utter disgust. >> stop, please. please sit down.
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scheme is that they go on what they call christian patrols in predominantly muslim neighborhoods, holding crosses, dressed in sort of military type uniforms and trying to cause trouble and then put it on the internet. >> the president's retweets of right wing extremist drawing public rebuke from at least two of our european allies. first, he was wrong. what was labeled as a muslim migrant attacking a dutch boy was not that, it was a dutch on dutch violence which prompted the dutch embassy to point that out. says facts do matter. perpetrator of the violent act in this video was born and raised in the netherlands and received complete -- received and completed a sentence under dutch law. british prime minister teresa may's office said they overwhelming reject the president's rhetoric of the far right which is the antithesis of the values that this country represents, decency, tolerance and respect. do you see the message trump is
trying to convey anything but muslims are dangerous people? >> no. it's precisely -- this is exactly what he wants to do. the problem with that message that he's not only, as you said, alienating our allies, he's galvanizing the most bigoted, the most racist, but also the most violent groups around europe. two weeks ago -- i just want to remind our audience. two weeks ago in poland 60,000 neo-nazis marched in the street holding torches exactly like charlottesville and they were calling for a second holocaust for jews and muslims together. europeans know very well that basically when you diminish the humanity of one ethnic group, one minority, basically it's a framework for crimes. that's what basically normalizing this kind of views led to the holocaust in europe but also as you mentioned in the previous segment, we saw what
happened to these guys who basically used that rhetoric to go after hundreds of thousands of muslims in bosnia and basically carried out a genocide. the president doesn't understand the consequences of his words. these fascists and neo-nazi, they consider him their leader. they go on and publicly raise him and say, bring it on. >> ed, i have to ask you because i hate to give -- i hate to give mention to the group that this president retweeted, but britain first is not just the name of the right wing group, it is also the exact phrase shouted by a man before he murdered a british member of parliament. this is what her husband had to say about the president's tweets. >> he was retweeting a felon, you know, somebody that was convicted of religiously aggravated harassment of an organization that is a
hate-driven organization on the extreme fringes, far, far right of british politics. this is like the president retweeting the ku klux klan. this is not a mainstream organization from the president of the united states, our greatest allies of the country to be retweeting, to be providing a microphone to those voices. >> so, ed, speaking of the kkk, white supremacist david duke tweeted out his approval for the president. i know you agree with the president on a number of things and if you can just answer my question directly because i know you are probably going to try to spin it. >> sure. >> would you like to see the president exercise a little better judgment on social media? >> i think maybe i'll make news, don. i think that this one tweeting this one was not a very good move. so if that means better judgment, i think i can join in that chorus. but i want to say this, don. everybody's missing the forest for the trees. no one that looks with a serious eye at europe doesn't recognize
that there's a problem with muslim and iz lawmaker islamic fe gn fanatics. and in london, theresa may, she had a soldier beheaded by an islamic radical. >> how is the president's tweet helping that. >> it's starting a conversation. we don't want it here. you don't want violence by -- let me join the chorus. >> we don't want violence by white supremacist. >> exactly. by antifa. >> black lives matter. >> any one. >> any of those groups. >> but you don't understand why, just for the sake of honesty here, why would you have to compare that to antifa and black lives matter? what does that have to do with anything. >> nancy pelosi did it. she condemned antifa. >> did she -- >> she did the opposite of what the president did but you're bringing it up as a shiny object. one does not mean the other. >> i'm joining the chorus that says that muslims that kill soldiers in england are bad as
well as white supremacists in america that say they want to do something or the people in poland that say they want the -- >> then why doesn't this president tweet about that? >> well, i don't know. you can ask him, don. i think that would be great if he would. but what i'm happy to have -- today i was with the president in saint charles, missouri, and when he came out the first thing he said was we're going to say merry christmas. i can tell you, don, across america, a lot of people not just who voted for him are happy to have a president who stands on the side of western civilization against -- >> all right, ed. that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard because i've lived in america probably. >> i was going to say something else. >> hold on, for as long as you have. i'm sure we're close in age. and i've been saying merry christmas and everyone i know has been saying merry christmas for 51 years and there is no war on christmas. i love christmas. i love jesus, and i also love presents and santa claus. and by the way, santa claus is not white. we'll be right back.
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santa claus is not white, that was one of the first shows we showed multi-ethnic santa clauses. by the way, we do know jesus was not white either. ben, it was pointed out to the white house press secretary that the videos the president retweeted were not what they purpose po purported to be, she responded with this. >> whether it's a real video, the threat is real. that's what the president is talking about, that's what the president is focused on is dealing with those real threats. >> she didn't refute the fact that the video wasn't real, she just said the threats were real. what was real? what? >> that was what was concerning. this is not something where the president is tweeting about islamic radicals. about white supremacists. this is specifically a tweet
that says muslims, muslim man destroys virgin mary. it's shocking that the president as a candidate introduced proposed banning all muslims and creating a database of muslims. this is something that's, you know, beyond the pale even by his standards. >> the president insists, ed, that he's not racist. he's insisted many times. watch this. >> we have a representative in congress who they say was here a long time ago. they call her pocahontas. >> oh, look at my african-american over here. look at him. are you the greatest? you're not going to support me even enthough you know i'm the best thing that could happen to israel. you're not going to support me because i don't want your money. mexico is not sending us their
best. they're bringing crime and they're rapists and some i assume are good people. >> is that a cause for concern? >> are you asking me, don? about me or the president? >> no, about the president, not about you. but if you want to answer that, i mean, go on about you. >> i think, um, look, i think the president -- you're taking clips out of his long campaign. i think the proof is how he governs and who he's around and who he's appointing to positions. and when he talks about the economy and talks about things -- i was with him today. the room had lots of different ethnic backgrounds and racial backgrounds. we've been through this, don. i don't think saying pocahontas to someone who is faking their native americanness. is a slur. i think the guy is a funny, internet ik, interesting guy. if you had people, you would have had a hundred african-americans who came up and said i parked his car and he called me a name or he was rude or whatever. none of that ever surfaced. >> i think that people think that racism is calling someone a name or the n-word. or thinking someone is a valet.
but it goes beyond that. it's also mentally what you think about them. if someone says that you're bias or you may have some racial blind spots, you should take them up on that and examine yourself, because the fact that you don't examine yourself might just mean that they are absolutely right about that, that you have a blind spot and that may make you racist or biased in some way. >> but also, you know, what the white house and this administration doesn't understand is the rest of the world think that they are that he is, himself, the president is becoming a threat to the international peace and order. look at the hundreds of thousands of muslims in the army today. american muslims. who woke up this morning and saw this tweet. what are they thinking? that the president is standing for them? they think the president is
against them. if you hear him talk about he's not american, president obama, talking about basically pocahontas again. this is not funny. for the gentleman saying this is hilarious, this is not funny. this is heading in one direction. to divide america along sectarian ethnic lines. when i travel the world and i look and tell the people i live in the united states of america and this is the difference between the united states and the rest of the world, that trump is trying to undermine and erase. that here, in america, under the rule of law, wherever you come from, you are equal. this is the principal le that hs trying to undermine. >> thank you so much. to be continued. on monday i spoke with sara simms, a virginia mother charged with a felony for sending her daughter to school with a digital recorder. her 9-year-old was being bullied and the school wasn't doing anything to help. so simms tucked the recorder into her daughter's backpack to