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scenario to replace tillerson with mike pompeo. and today president trump was asked precisely about this. >> mr. president, do you have rex tillerson on the job, mr. president? >> he is here, rex is here. thank you very much, everybody. thank you. >> so let's begin with cnn global affairs correspondent here with me in new york. and this is your beat. you know all things state department. when is the move? when might this happen? >> we think perhaps it might happen in early january, brooke. other officials have said maybe towards the end of january, early february. i think we need to be careful that secretary tillerson continues to say that he's on the job. his aides are saying that he's hard at work on the issues that you are talking about, north korea, syria, other type of issues. but he's also been reported to not be happy in the job. and there has been this tore
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re tore rent of criticism from madeline albright about the management at the state department. how members of foreign service are leaving in droves. now the numbers don't suggest droves but the morale is pretty bad. and i think one of the problems is he hasn't answered the critics. he says i don't see any problems. but clearly the problems with continuing to mount. and until he addresses it head on he'll continue to have these stories about him leaving. i don't think they think he's distend to remain for the end of the term. but no one is sure, and they are telling us if he goes, mike pompeo comes over to the state department and senator tom cotton potentially replacing him. >> let me bring in two more voices. also joining me now is jamie who served as assistant public in
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clinton administration. secretarial bright, speaking of his boss. so we'll talk about that opinion piece in "the washington post" this morning. also with us cnn anchor quest means business, richard quest is with us today as well. so great to have all of you on. ann and elise, let me ask you one more. because i read this report. on the flip side we heard from the senate relations committee, he said bob corker we and the rest of the world need a thinker like rex tillerson in these thiems of upheaval. and the president, or the chief of staff john kelly thinks otherwise? >> well, general kelly did tell "the washington post" apparently there is no plan to move secretary tillerson as the new york times as others as cnn has reported. but, you know, bob corker is making a distinction here
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between the management of the state department in this so-called redesign that secretary tillerson is undertaking at the state department, which has been very unpopular, budget cuts, staff cuts and management of foreign policy. not always in line with the president but secretary tillerson does get high marks how he's dealing with china and syria issue. problem is if you continue to have these types of stories he's headed for the exits, that does damage his credibility in working with world leaders who do say they think he is a strategic thinker and they think dealing with him is something they like. but the problem is the state department, there is no one home, really. these officials, will is no one to talk to. a lot of unfilled positions. so that creates this narrative of this hollowed out state department. >> you know how this works or doesn't work. madeline albright former secretary of state was your boss, as pointed out. is she wrote this opinion piece
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in the post this morning and points to tillerson for carrying out, my word, gutting of the state department. others can use a different one. but she says that change in the state department isn't unusual and yes it can be healthy but here's the big but there is however a big difference between a transfusion and an open wound. there is nothing normal about the current exodus. she goes on, president trump is aware of the situation and he has made it clear that he doesn't care. i'm the only one that matters he told fox news. what did you think of that? >> well, she's right. there is a festering wound at the state department. all of the best of the foreign service. remember these are people who have been the country has invested in. taught them languages sent them overseas, worked with them to get unique expertise. if you want to know what to do in pa region about syria, you can't read about it in three minutes, you need someone who can explain to you how long the
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sunnis have lived there and m t muslims have lived there. so these are very complex and unique problems. the bigger problem, which you haven't mentioned yet, i think, is that the secretary of state is only effective if the world believes that he speaks for the president. that he's got the president's ear. that he's at one with the president. that's what henry kissinger had when he was negotiating the middle east. that's what james baker had when he was negotiating with gorbachav on behalf of president bush. that's what madeline albright had on the subject of could have could have vo. and from the beginning tillerson and president have been separate. >> i mean the phrase rex it was coined i think back in july. so there was potentially writing
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ton the wall even then, which to your point sends a single to the world community that the president and sent of state are not necessarily at one. did you want to jump in? >> can we have a reality check here? >> bring it. >> we have a situation where the rest of the world is now talking about whether or not the u.s. secretary of state is going to be fired in the next month. the top number one diplomate of the united states. a man who seemingly seems to have no capacity or end for humiliation to be heaped upon him by his boss. how is this man, maybe you can tell me, how is this man expected to do anything? >> in the next couple of months. >> at all. any time he opens his mouth people will simply say well he's gone tomorrow or we don't need to worry about him. here today, gone tomorrow, rex. >> let me add a layer to that. we are potentially in the worst
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case with potential nuclear show down with north korea. and when we are talking about musical chairs at the tip top, you couldn't pick a worst time. >> that's right. we talked about this before the president's asia trip. well, secretary tillerson wanted to get the president through the asia trip. when will it be a good time in chaotic north korea, with tensions in syria, and isis, when will it be a good time to replace your secretary of state. but certainly right now secretary tillerson is in the thick of this issue with north korea, this pressure campaign on china, pressure campaign on north korea. >> he's dead man walking. >> a lot of people do say that. >> go ahead, jamie. you are listening to richard quest here. how do you respond to that? what does he do? is he a dead man walking for the next couple of months? >> well, he's faced this level of humiliation before, so, yes,
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he's dead man walking. but he's been dead man walking for a long time. i think the deeper problem, i spent eight years or so in the state department, and i'm told it's still holds, that the real guts of american diplomacy is done by the assistant secretaries, the people who work on europe, and latin america, et cetera. th there are no people there. it's a year into the administration and there are no official empowered assistants secretaries who the world can do business with. >> how are they supposed to do work? if they don't exist in those positions and talking about a change in the top? >> let me weigh in here. jamie is right. there have been confirmed recently to europe position. what you do have is these acting people, kind of career
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officials. let me finish. >> we love you quest. >> that are stepping up to the plate and kind of acting in the duties. however, if you don't have a confirmed official by the senate, that's appointed by the president, that's empowered, these people are capable diplomats. some of them have been in the foreign service for decades. but you don't have that kind of policy making authority to advise the secretary of state, to advise the president, and i mean like jamie knows, because he was appointed by the president, and confirmed by the senate, and that gives you the authority that you need to make policy. to secretary tillerson has a small coat of aides and keeps saying i'm going to get people in, but right now as the secretarial bright said, it's just kind of a wound that keeps festering. >> if i could just jump in. >> please sir. >> where this really counts is that america as a global power has interests all over the world. and secretary of state even a
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great one cannot focus on five separate regions or five separate crisis at the same time. if these other people, these assistant secretaries, are not empowered, meaning they are not believed to speak for the current administration, the president or the secretary of state, those regional activities come crashing to a halt. nothing happens. all these officials can do is it really be place holders. >> caretakers. >> they can say things that avoid a problem but they can't make real decisions because nobody will believe they are representing the new administration. >> got it. go ahead, mr. quest. >> the first thing the president did with his budget was lock 30% of the state department. at some point it is going to become painfully clear, if it is not already, as jamie says, the president doesn't care on this issue. and if you look at what's happening in washington, the greater picture of the rest of
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the world not worrying about the state department, it's of no concern to the president. >> and just to kind of quickly jump on that. secretary tillerson has nominated some people. i mean, he's had this kind of tug a war with the white house that he wanted some career officials and some people he thought. he had the deputy elliott abrams, long time respected person in the foreign establishment, but wasn't a never a trumper but wasn't on the trump train. and those people were rejected by the white house. and so the secretary is getting a lot of crit siecicism for not filling those positions, some of it is his fault, some is with the tug of war with the white house. it's very hard to get people to want the job now with all this dysfunction in washington. and i'm sure we can't be surprised about that. >> thank you so very much. and thank you to you both. we'll be watching when and if
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this big move happens. meantime here on cnn we are getting more breaking news. first it was the house minority leader nancy pelosi. noul a source is telling cnn that jim clyburn, telling us that the third ranking in the house is calling on conyers to resign amid sectixual allegatio. we'll talk to a member of parliament in the u.k. she will oppose a scheduled visit from president trump. and parliament should ask for president trump's tweets to be taken down. >> and just in is paul manafort going to be out of house arrest, with a special deal from robert mueller. i'm brooke baldwin. we'll be right back. this red is for the fiery.
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we're back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. more breaking news out of washington, the top house democrat. nancy pelosi is now calling for embattled congressman conyers to resign. 88-year-old faces multiple sexual allegations. conyers attorney says the congressman will not be appreciate shu pressured to step down. >> it is not up to nancy pelosi. she did not elect the congressman. and sure as hell won't be the one to tell the congressman to leave. that decision will be completely up to the con man. >> now, nancy pelosi just recently was under fire days ago after defending congressman
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conyers as an icon. but now she is saying this. >> the allegations against congressman conyers, as we have learned more since sunday, are serious disappointing, and very credible. it's very sad. the brave women who came forward are owed justice. i pray for congressman conyers and his family. and wish them well. however, congressman conyers should resign. >> also, just this afternoon, joining leader pelosi and calling for resignation according to a source is the third ranking democrat in the house jim clyburn. house speaker paul ryan also says it's time for congressman conyers to go. so with me now cnn congressional correspondent has been all over this for us on capitol hill. and amber philips political reporter for the "washington post" the fix. so ladies, let's start with this. and sun land, i mean the calls
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are coming in swiftly, do we know why leader pelosi has changed her mind? >> well, i think two things, basically, brooke, one is he was facing a lot of backlash as you allud alluded to in the introduction, and i think she's received a lot of backlash on capitol hill from members of our own party saying that she needs to show more leadership here and take the side of these accusers. i also think a big thing that helped is some of the accusers are coming out of the shadows. and this morning we heard from mary and brown speaking out breaking of the terms of her nondisclosure agreement and speaking about the settlement that she reached with congressman conyers. here's more of what she had to say earlier this morning. >> some of the things that he did were, it was sexual
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harassment, violating, violating my body, propositioning me, inviting me to hotels, with the guise of discussing business. and then propositioning me to, you know, for sex. and he's just violated my body. he has touched me in different ways. and it was very uncomfortable and very unprofessional. >> so certainly a voice like that, a woman stepping up and telling her side of the story, again, breaking her nondisclosure agreement that see signed in 2015, in a cement wse with the congressman. as i should say all of this was breaking this morning, brooke, noorly around the same time that this interview was airing, we found out that the congressman is in the hospital. his attorney says he suffered from shortness of breath. chest pains and dizziness. and certainly in recent days his
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attorney has been alluding to of course the amount of pressure and personal toll that is taking on the congressman which of course is over 80 years old. >> but, like we said, the 88-year-old congressman wants to stay where he is and keep his job on capitol hill and so does senator franken, but we know this fifth women has come forward accusing the senator of inappropriate touching. this too was on the uso tour, army veteran says the senator groped her during a photo op. the attorney says he doesn't believe franken has been treated the same way. let's be clear, no allegation is alike or the same, but should there be a zero tolerance when it comes to members of congress? >> yes, i think senate have to decide, do you decide, if there are credible allegations, at least one in senator frank ken
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case consists of him while he was a sitting member of congress, decide they have to go before there is any kind of -- what franken's defenders would call ethics in the senate. at this point i don't see much of a difference between the allegations between congressman conyers and senator franken. it's credible women given allegations corroborated by the media. they are on the record with names, dates, very vivid details. politically speaking it's a fact that if senator franken goes, republicans could take his seat. while if congressman conyers goes, democrats could probably keep his detroit area seat in their hands. >> so as that's going on and as sun land you've been reporting with a number of women here at cnn on these, all the money that's been paid out, right, to settle some of these sexual harassment cases, that you and i, the taxpayers have been paying, now apparently the news came in bipartisan house members
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passed a bill to end these ceme settlement funds, tell me about that. >> beyond the problem of session you'll harassment allegations, the fact that there is a process in place that over the last over 20 years has allowed $17 million in settlement payments out of taxpayer's monies to go to not only sexual harassment cases but labor disputes. so not totally all sexual harassment cases but some taxpayer money is being used to settle these cases on capitol hill. so some members are saying look this can't continue happening. so there is some bipartisan legislation introduced yesterday that would prohibit the use of taxpayer money to settle these cases. and here's an interesting hitch, brooke, it's retroactive. so this bill would call for any members of congress who settled
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cases and used taxpayer funded money to pay that back and also pay that back with interest. >> do we know just staying on that, amber, you tell me, on this, you know, hush fund, if you want to call it that, who knew about it? because i keep seeing all these quotes from leaders of congress for years saying well i didn't know about all the settlements being paid out. who did know 12? >> we don't know. that's a great question. somebody wrote the rules. >> it's crazy. >> someone said it was a boy's club that wrote the rules with not a lot of diversity at the table. and then not a lot of congress took the time to read the rules and fully understood what it would be like to ab staffer and no idea who to report it to and whether it gets justice. it becomes too late that members of congress read the rules and saying that's not fair. >> file that under things that
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need to be fixed in washington. lovely to see both of you. let's continue this conversation. meantime, coming up next it is the growing war of words between the president and america's closest allies, after anti-muslim tweets. next a member of parliament in the u.k. weighs in. then we have live pictures of the podium there at the white house. and just in today, remembering an icon. the man who played the role of gomer pile died at the age of 87. we are back in just a moment.
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we are back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. relations are fraying with america's closest ally. prime minister theresa may says president trump was wrong to retweet anti-propaganda. and one parliament member says he ought to be locked up. one of the tweets by the way allegedly showing this muslim migrant who is in fact a dutch citizen. and after a prompt review from the british p.m. president trump lashed out at her writing this, don't focus on me, take place on what is taking place within the u.k. we are doing just fine. with reaction to all this i would like to bring in member of parliament in britain. and so miss mick ken as thank
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you you for being with us. >> thank you. >> we are hearing some are calling on rescinding the visit. are you of the group? >> regarding the invitation my feeling is it should have never been issued in the first place. i think the prime minister theresa may was far too premature on inviting the president on a state visit. i think she's put the queen in a very difficult position. because it is actually the queen who has to rescind the invitation. it's not in government's power to take the invitation away. the queen has to do it. and i think our prime minister has actually put the moniker of the u.k. in a difficult situation. >> that would perhaps be easier if you could vote no. but this ultimately is up to the
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queen. how do mps on both sides of the aisle, are they agreeing with you or are there some members of parliament who still believe he should come? >> we had a discussion in parliament today about the tweets and about what actions should be taken. and i think there was outrage on all sides of the house. it was one of those occasions where parliament was united across the house. i think most mp's felt the state visit should be canceled. i have real concerns about it in terms of the safety aspects of it. because i think now i think if president trump does come to this country, it could act as a focus for protests and unrest from right across the polit cam spectrum in the u.k. and i'm really concerned about the cost of policing and the security it will create in the
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u.k. were he to come to the country now. >> let me read something to you. i was reading the london times today. this is a piece by a former british ambassador sir christopher meyer who wrote in part, to cancel the visit would give ride offense beyond trump's core support. we have too many interests, economic, defense, intelligence, in invested in the relationship to risk that, especially at a time when our relationship with europe hangs in the balance. isn't he right? >> that's a measured response. and there is a lot in there that i would agree with. i think there is a way around this. and the way around this would be for president trump to take down those tweets, straightaway. i asked in parliament today if any one in the u.k. government had actually asked for the tweets to be taken down. the home secretary count tell me whether that had been done or not. she said she would get become to me. but i think that's the first thing we have to do. we have to ask the president to
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take those tweets down. the second thing we need to ask him to do is to apologize. because i don't think he understands the offense he has caused in this country by tweeting that far right extremist group. the man who murdered my colleague, joe cox, was shouting, britain first, as he murdered her. >> i know. >> and that is the organization that the president of the united states is retweeting. and he needs to understand the offense he has caused in the u.k. >> one thing we have learned in this country is not many tweets are deleted, nor do we hear any apologies from this president of the united states. but perhaps this case could be different. thank you so much for joining me all the way from london. appreciate your voice. >> thank you. >> thank you. we do have some breaking news from capitol hill h word now that senator john mccain, one of those wild card senators within this whole republican tax fight, says he now plans to vote yes on this tax reform package.
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so that's a huge, huge deal potentially for republicans there. also, another milestone on wall street as the do you crossed 24,000 for the very first time. back in a moment.
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republican senators just got another huge boost as they barrel toward this vote on tax plan. senator john mccain one of the so-called wild cards, no one knew if he would be yes or no, he just said he would be a yes vote for this plan. in a statement this is what the arizona senator writes. i believe this legislation, though far from perfect, would enhance competitiveness, boost
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the economy, and tax relief for families. the senate vote could happen before the week is out. mitch mcconnell says he is confident that this will pass. >> we are on the cusp a great victory for the country and particularly small business. we are going down the home stretch headed toward the finish line either late tomorrnight or early tomorrow. what's in this is tax relief. an opportunity to hire more people. to build more of america. and to get the growth rate up. >> phil mattingly is there on capitol hill. you can feel the excitement, the confidence in the senate majority leader talking about a finish line. does he have reason to be so confident, phil? >> yeah, look, you can't overstate the boost that john mccain brings to the table. as you noted one aide thinking
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on this had been a black box over the last couple of weeks. another aide said we can't leave this up to mccain, that's how worried. in reason of history. in 2001, 2003 voted against the tax cuts. something this has been. but you noted he has come around. and not only is that a boost for leaders because one more vote, gives more space, brooke. because if you look at what's still out stastanding, they sti have to work on senators, they are close, but still some issues left. senator collins on the fence, clearly leading towards yes, they have promised she will get what she wants, capped at $10,000. then you move over to steve daines and johnson, pass through income, business entities that pass through their income on to the individual side. pay that tax rate. getting a big cut. that cut has been expanded from
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17.4% to 20%. is that going to be enough? that's still an open question. then you talk about people like jeff flake, bob corker, there issue has been throughout the deficit. this is where things are most complex where negotiations as i speak are ongoing with staff and those senators whachlt they are trying to do is implement some type of trigger mechanism. if the rosy projections don't end up panning out in the near term, this would trigger immediate tax increases. who you that tax increase would work, would it be corporate, whether it be on the individual side, that's the open question. if they can smooth that out, and if downtown run a foul on senate rules, they are on track to get this done. >> we'll wait for the so-called vote aroma. i think phil to happen friday. you have a big week ahead of you before this is said and done. thanks on the hill. coming up a major player talking
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just in to cnn russia investigation here. former trump campaign paul manafort has reached bail agreement with the special counsel here robert mueller. the key piece is the judge. so if this is approved by the judge, manafort will be allowed
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to travel, not outside the u.s. court documents show paul manafort is putting up four of his properties worth nearly $4 million to back his bill. also agreed to not travel out of some states. and he and his business partner rick gates were indicted. now the special counsel probe here now appears to be zeroing in on president trump inner most circle. we told you first on cnn that trump son-in-law and senior adviser jared kushner was questioned by mueller's team earlier this month. and sources are tell us that meeting lasted just about 90 minutes centered on ousted national security adviser michael flynn. comes as flynn could be talking possible plea deal with the special counsel. just last week notified the white house they would no longer
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be sharing information with them. so in washington d.c. has been all over this. reading through the tea leaves, does this mean that the noose around michael flynn's neck is tightening? >> certainly does indicate that, brooke. and this plea deal we've been talking about, possible plea deal could come at any time. could come at any day perhaps. we don't have enough in sight into it. but we do know that there have been discussions. and there appears to be ongoing discussion based on the fact that we know the communications between the lawyers have stopped. these are the flynn lawyers or trump lawyers. and also it's interesting, you know, that kushner was specifically, and this is what we were told, people would not tell us what other questions he was asked, but for that 90 minutes, which is a relatively short period of time of time to be questioned by investigators was asked about flynn specifically and relationship with flynn and some of the russian meetings. so certainly indication that is the noose around michael flynn
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is tightening. >> let me ask you also about eric prince, the black water founder who is younger brother of secretary of education. he is testifying before this closed door house intelligence committee hearing about this mysterious meeting that he had with an unnamed russian in january. so let me play a little bit of what he told aaron burnett here on cnn back in august about this secret meeting. >> i was there on business. okay. i was there meeting with em rat rio officials and lots of other people there. i met a guy. and clearly the u.s. intelligence community felt necessary to unmask me and leak it to the media. but if the media and the obsession on the trump russia collusion kind of jumped the shark if they think i had something to do with that. because this happened in january long after the election. >> hmm. so the meeting where he says he met a guy. you think that's coming up in
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this closed door hearing? >> i'm sure it is and i'm sure he's going to give him that answer. that's been a big mystery during this streks and a question that many of us has been asking and investigators have been asking. because again it's another pattern where people are meeting with the russians, connected to the trump world and campaign. however, the trump world would characterize some of these people, whether coffee boys or volunteers or somehow informal advisers, there just seems to be a lot of these meetings. certainly this is another one. and we do expect him to be asked about that. that meeting the interviews should start around 3:00. >> shah money, thank you very much. any moment we will see the white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders take to the podium and taens a bunch of questions what's going on with the white house, war on words on the prz, and british p.m. about
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jim neighbors, the legendary singer and actor who started as gommer pile has died. has more on his life and career. >> hey, sergeant, it's me gommer. best known as gommer pile, usmc. >> well, first of all my name is
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pyle. >> he first appeared as a character on the andy griffith show. one that began as a nightclub singer. best of his career. >> andy found me in a little nightclub in santa monica, and i remember him saying, after my pe fo performance, he said you do it very well. if ever there was a part on my show, he would give me a part t and i had never acted before. and he called me and i read for the part. and i think he thought i was a little too far out but he had a little faith in me to this day i'm appreciative of it. includes stroker ace. carol burnett called him her
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good luck charm. appeared in every season of her carol burnett show. >> ♪ with a rim shot ♪ >> in 1984 he contracted near fatal case of hepatitis b. it was carol burnett that arranged for a liver transplant. turned to his first love singing. during his career recorded more than 2 dozen albums and what struck his many fans was sharp contrast between his twangy voice and his baritone voice. ♪ this is me >> for more than 30 years, he opened the indianapolis 500 by singing back home.
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he cited his health for making it travel. he married his partner of 38 years, stan kewalder. they wed in seattle. though the actor never publicly announced he was gay. he never kept it a secret. >> i wasn't ashamed of people noticin knowing, but it was a personal thing. >> he retired in hawaii and mac dame and nut farmer. but he will always be remembered for his goofy charm. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> we continue on hour two. we are watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. thanks for being with me.