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is letting somebody like doug jones go join the democrats and have more votes. >> i have to go. top of the hour. i want to talk about "time" magazine with you guys. but i didn't. we'll talk about it next hour. where was gretchen carlson? where was she? >> that's a great question. that's a great question. i don't know the answer. >> thank you. see you soon. this is cnn tonight. i am don lemon. it is 11:00 p.m. on the east coast. we're live with breaking news tonight. the president's own son and name sake donald trump, jr., refusing today in a marathon all day session to tell the house intel committee that he and his father discussed after news broke about his june 2016 meeting in trump tower with a russian lawyer who trump, jr., believed had dirt on hillary clinton's campaign. the president's son invoking attorney-client privilege. the top democrat, adam schiff, saying this about trump junior's testimony. >> he answered the overwhelming majority of our questions there
was one significant area where he declined to answer. he acknowledged having discussed the june 9 meeting and the e-mails that went into establishing that meeting after those e-mails became public. he acknowledged discussing the matter with his father, but refused to answer questions about that discussion on the basis of a claim of attorney-client privilege. in my view there was no attorney-client privilege that protects a discussion between father and son. this particular discussion revolves around a pivotal meeting where representatives of the russian government who were portrayed as providing dirt on hillary clinton as part of the russian government effort to help donald trump to the campaign and therefore is a central issue we need to fully investigate. >> bring in our cnn correspondent man knew raju who has more on our breaking news
tonight. manu? >> reporter: don, earlier tonight donald trump jr. would not answer questions about a meeting he had with his father that showed donald trump jr. met with operatives at trump tower after he was promised dirt on the clinton campaign. after those reports did surface this summer he did meet with his father. when he was asked about this at the house intelligence committee's meeting today he said, i won't answer those questions because of attorney-client privilege. the reason he said he had attorney-client privilege was because there were lawyers in the room. he said he was under what we he said he was under no obligation to disclose this information because there were attorneys in the room. at the same time he told the committee his father was not involved in that initial response to the "new york times" story about this meeting with russians. you recall initially this was a
rather misleading response to the public about how this was mainly a meeting about russian adoptions and it really had nothing to do with what we do know now was that was about dirt -- trying to get dirt on the clinton campaign. they did not mention that in the initial statement. what we do know, don, is donald trump jr. did tell the committee he communicated with hope hicks. now the communications director. he texted her about that response. and from our own reporting, we know that president trump was involved in that response through air force one. on an air force one trip he discussed it with hope hicks and it didn't come up. but donald trump jr. said he was not directly in communication with his father at that time, but don i can tell you the fact that hope hicks -- he acknowledged hope hicks was involved in this has raised questions, particularly among
legal experts who say, look, you cannot raise this, especially at a time that's trying to mislead investigators. that will raise a lot of questions going forward. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. now i want to bring in david gergen and david axelrod. good evening. what do you think it's like inside the white house now? don junior spent eight hours -- axelrod is chuckling there. testifying. >> talking to some people on trump side they seem relieved tonight. about profit'reing in effect on the day of the inauguration has been challenged. so they feel pretty good. it's a false sense of hope and complacency, i think. i think the attorney-client privilege has been invoked just will collapse on its face. >> we'll talk more about it.
i have to ask you, considering your reaction when i asked that, do you think that's real they feel pretty good or is that like go back to bed, kids, everything is fine? mommy and daddy are not having an argument? >> this is the migraine headache that never ends. it's very, very hard to be in a white house that's under siege like this. i didn't experience that, but you can only imagine given the pressures that you are under already, when you have this massive distraction and it seems to be drawing closer and closer to the principal, and other people in the white house, obviously hope hicks will be a person of great interest. special counsel has -- reportedly has or is going to talk to her. the thing that strikes me about this is the speculation at the time was that the special counsel was interested in what the president was doing with the statement that was released
after don junior acknowledged that he had met with these lawyers. these russian representatives. because the statement that was put out was greatly misleading. the question is was that part of a cover-up of something more nefarious and we now know more details about the meeting and did the president know about what the details of the meeting are and did he instruct either directly or now, i guess, through hope hicks did he instruct his son to release this misleading statement. so i don't know if any of that holds up. but you can sort of see where the puzzle pieces are beginning to fit. >> what's interesting, david gergen is this whole time we've been talking about -- why is don junior even involved in all this, craft ing statements and all of that. don junior and eric were
supposed to stay behind and run the business. >> right. >> do you think there's been a clean break? >> no, no. there is much more integration than we ever imagined. that's the reason the flynn story became interesting. he was supposedly talking to a private company about profiteering. >> let me read that. gloria borger is reporting tonight -- no that's the wrong statement, sorry. apparently flynn on the day -- talking about the day of the inauguration said they would tear up sanctions and they could start over and it would be fine. that's what you are discussing tonight. >> yes. the story that emerged earlier today was that there was a whistle blower who was saying that flynn -- imagine this scene. at the inauguration, donald trump, your new boss is taking the opening statement -- the oath, you're the incoming national security advisor. 11 minutes into the speech you
are seeing a text message out to somebody to say, we've got it. it's going forward. we have a nuclear deal. we'll have nuclear plants in the middle east. everybody will get rich. it's as if he's profiteering, right at the moment, right in the middle of the inauguration. >> the white house is pushing back. they're denying it. >> i'm sure they are and the company is pushing back. they have to come up with proof. >> here's the problem, flynn is cooperating with the government now. flynn is cooperating with the special counsel. he knows what he did and didn't do. he knows the communications that he had and they know the communications that he had. so the white house can say what the white house will say. flynn knows the truth. and now, presumably, the special counsel knows the truth. that ought to be greatly unsettling if you are the president and his team. >> i agree. >> yeah. >> david axelrod, the president
did keep one campaign promise today, and that is recognizing jerusalem as israel's capitol. he tweeted, history will judge but offending seven decades of u.s. policy seems like a dangerously divisive position. hardly seems a way toed a vance the peace process. seems more about advancing his own narrow politics. tonight one official said the peace process we are prepared for derailment temporarily, i hope. how big of a gamble is this? >> well, i think it's a huge gamble. but i think it wasn't, as the president suggested, a gamble for peace. tom freedman wrote a great kcol the "new york times" -- >> he was on the with wolf earlier. >> he was terrific. it's one thing to upend seven decades of american policy. but you ought to get something for it. if you are trying to advance the peace process inflaming the palestinians, defying your
allies including allies in the arab world and getting nothing in exchange like a freeze on settlements doesn't make sense at all. what he was doing was fulfilling a promise to sheldon adelson and some of his supporters from the campaign to summon the evangelical community. maybe that's why steve bannon was talking about it down in alabama last night. i think it is pure politics. i think donald trump sees most of the things through the prism of his own politics and not through the lens of history. i think history is going to be very, very hard on him for this decision. >> yeah. i basically agree with what david is saying. put it this way. you know, colin powell called it the pottery barn rule. if you break it, you own it. and we just broke it. we just broke the middle east peace process. it wasn't doing well. if donald trump turns out to be right he'll deserve credit and
be a hero. but if there's violence and people get killed as a result of that, that is also his responsibility. if there is violence and we have a new anti-fa he owns that. >> i want to ask you about this, david gergen, because today the house speaker paul ryan said the house gop caucus plans to work on entitlement reform to tackle the debt and deficit. is this a big admission? you. >> yeah. and i think -- i think -- there are so many things going on. they have a lot of camouflage. the country isn't focusing. it was attention deficit disorder in this administration. things happen every five minutes and you can't keep your eye on the big prize. the underlying story here is, the republicans are passing a tax cut and this was important to lower taxes for the corporations in this country.
but they're passing a tax cut that greatly increases the deficits. now they are saying because the deficits are big we have to cut back on programs for the poor. you're going to give tax cuts to the rich and cut programs to the poor? is that really what the republican party -- >> isn't that supposed to be part of it that it was supposed to reduce? >> it was supposed to be serving the middle class. the middle class, depends on where you define the middle class, but people under $75,000 were seeing taxes go up over time. to pass this tax cut, use that as an excuse. and then go cut programs, the chip program, food stamps, whatever it may be. i think there are going to be a lot of americans that are going to say i could do without that tax cut if that's what you were going to say something. >> do you want to say something, david? >> it's more like lack of attention to deficits disorder i think that's what's afflicted the congress now. >> thank you both. i appreciate it.
when we come back, donald trump, jr., invoking attorney-client privilege apparently because there were attorneys present during his conversation with his father. can he do that? and why? i love you, couch. you give us comfort. and we give you bare feet, backsweat, and gordo's... everything. i love you, but sometimes you stink. soft surfaces trap odors. febreze fabric refresher cleans them away for good. because the things you love the most can stink. and plug in febreze to keep your whole room fresh for up to 45 days. breathe happy with febreze.
hold on to your tiara kind of day. get 24/7 digestive support, with align. the #1 doctor recommended probiotic brand. also in kids chewables. here's our breaking news tonight on the russia investigation. donald trump, jr. won't tell lawmakers what he and the president discussed about his trump tower meeting with russians. let's discuss now. cnn contributor walter schwab, the former director of the office of government ethics, also cnn legal analyst michael zelden, robert mueller's former special assistant at the doj and the former prosecutor for the southern district of new york. good evening. thank you. michael, you first. i want to get your reaction to this news about donald trump, jr. that he would not speak to house investigators about his communication with his father after that trump tower meeting. as a matter of fact, inciting attorney-client privilege. what are the implications here? >> the implications are that if
he comes back before congress under subpoena and refuses to answer questions then he can be held in contempt. as a voluntary witness before the committee, he has -- there is no contempt powers over them. with respect to the assertion of the privilege if he tries that with muller -- because he's going to be interviewed with mueller under oath, mueller will have the judge hold him in contempt because it is an improper assertion of privilege. the fact that a lawyer is in the room when you are talking with other people there is a waiver of the privilege. it is inapplicable. i think he has set himself up for a problem with mueller and potentially if congress gets some backbone, a return visit under subpoena power where contempt could be the result. >> john, again, under the attorney-client privilege, there were attorneys in the room at the time. can he do that? >> no.
that's not enough. it is not electricity if you have an attorney in the room it's enough. also, they were talking about disclosing information. if you are having a discussion to disclose information it is not privileged. in addition to that, if you're using the privilege to conceal fraud then the privilege takes flight. the theory is a privilege should not be used to protect a crime. it is actually divided into two parts. the first part, it sounded like the theme was let's be transparent, lay it out there and get ahead of it. but mr. trump and hicks, the communications director, and his son, trump jr., they were talking to each other and there were no attorneys involved in that resulting in the statement that trump wrote with his son, without any attorney being involved who was representing them. and that's what was made public and apparently to the surprise of the others in the first meeting that had the conversations about it being transparent. there is no possible attorney-client privilege. i think it was just a delay.
to the avoid talking about it today. i suppose the only privilege you could assert was the fifth. if he wasn't deemed to talk about the subject in september when he was there. so there's a lot of problems with this. i think it's a way to sort of deflect the swing. >> mr. schwab i want to bring you in here. you also learned that donald trump, jr. says he never spoke directly to his father about the news that he met with russians in 2016 at trump tower, only white house aide hope hicks. what do you make of that news? >> i don't know what to make of that. we're going to to have to wait and see what this further investigation reveals. this hasn't been a great week for the trump familis' attorneys. between one of them claiming he wrote a bizarre tweet. another claiming -- or maybe it was the same one. claiming that a president can't be held liable for obstruction of justice. and now, whoever gave donald
junior, if anyone at all gave him that advice twhab hat he's n attorney-client privilege. i was pretty excited to hear that. i thought, i'm an attorney and i talk to myself a lot. maybe my ramblings and murmurings are privileged as well. >> that's perfect. maybe they are building an argument for ineffective assistance of counsel. >> laura coats said earlier, if that rule applied, by satellite, anyone in the sound of anyone's voice would be attorney-client privilege, even people just watching television. let's move on, michael. hicks was on air force one with president trump at the time the conversation occurred. does it matter if she spoke directly to the president or not, or if he spoke directly to the president or not? >> i don't know so. what we're talking about is the drafting of a statement that was
false. then maybe don junior is somehow trying to protect his father by saying i only talked to hope hicks which may be technically true but hope was then talking to donald trump, sr. and relaying back the information to jump, jr., who i think, john, was with his lawyer at the time, which maybe is how they tried to concoct this crazy attorney-client privilege. donald trump sent his lawyer on "meet the press" july 16. his lawyer said donald trump had nothing to do with the drafting of the statement that was what was at discussion here and which was untrue. so maybe don junior is trying to somehow figure a way to protect his father from that false statement made by his lawyer on "meet the press". i can't divine the true
intentions of the people. it does, i think, to john's point indicate some sort of delay. none of these privileges and the fact they talk through hope hicks, as opposed to directly, is of any legal consequence in terms of shielding them from any liability, if there's any liability to be had. >> is that a crime to get together and get your story straight? >> no. it's not a crime at all. it's just foolish to lie about it. >> go ahead, john. >> the theme here, this is the trouble. we take things we close down on it. what's really going on. what's going on is to conceal the fact of the meeting with the russians they kept saying never happened. so their first imperative, certainly mr. trump and trump, jr., was to say, oh, it's nothing. it is about an adoption. when it had nothing to do with it. they knew when they proposed it. we are just lucky these people are bad at this. because, otherwise, sophisticated -- i used to say as a prosecutor in a white
collar case, you don't catch the geniuses. these guys aren't geniuses. this is the worst cover-up i have seen. i'm glad for it. otherwise we wouldn't have a chance of getting at their misconduct. their misconduct was to conceal the deal with the russians and all the agreements and conversations they had with them. and that's why we have this false statement. >> michael and john talk a lot. they'll try to speak over you. but we'll hear from you, walter, in the next segment. so stick around. when we come back, a new report that michael flynn was texting someone in the middle of trump's inauguration. what could have been that important that he'd have to do it in the middle of the inauguration. more on who it was and what was in that text in a moment. when you have a cold,
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back with me now, let's talk about michael flynn. we learned a whistleblower told a member of the house oversight committee michael flynn texted a former business partner on inauguration day saying get rid of u.s. sanctions on russia was a priority for the trump administration. if that is true, what does that tell you? >> so there's two things you need to take away from this. the first is the incredible importance of protecting whistleblowers. really, that's just absolutely paramount to any integrity or ethics program in the federal government. it looks like this person whose name has not been revealed publically has so far been protected. once it comes out it will be incredibly important to protect this person because if anything happens to him, no one else will come forward with the truth. the underlying issue is also really important. you know, we talk a lot about
ethics rules, criminal conflict of interest laws, and ethical principles and norms, but if you're trying to explain the program to someone new at its heart it boils down to misuse of position for private gain. i can't think of a more sickening example than michael flynn sitting up there while the president is being inaugurated and sworn into office sitting there with greed oozing out of hissing finger tips so much that he couldn't resist texting somebody about their sinister plan to profit from his new position. it is the most grotesque display, something if you put it in a movie script would have probably been rejected as unrealistic. >> not the way you put it. >> because it's so over the top. >> because that was quite vivid the way you just described it. michael, i have to ask, is there evidence that flynn or the administration were getting anything in return for this? >> well, that's the $64,000 question. the deal that we are talking about was a deal that flynn
concocted. there was a paper put forth before the national security council where there was going to be a partnership where russia was going to build nuclear plants in the middle east. of course at that time russia and the whole sector of power was under sanctions and therefore it was impossible to deal with it. they were trying to figure out a way to bust sanctions so they could do this profitable deal for the partners of -- the ex-partners of flynn. so in and of itself, that's a problematic proposition. the conspiracy theorists might also say, and we'll see whether it proves to be a conspiracy theory or fact, that this whole sanctions-busting operation is the payback for the front end collusion, as it is called, conspiracy between russians and russian cutouts like wikileaks to help elect donald trump and
that we're seeing in this, the first pay back of the collusive deal on the front. the russians will get out from under sanctions and will start building power in the middle east. >> so this whistleblower, john, i want to talk more about this. this whistleblower says flynn texted the same business partner about that plan with russia to build the nuclear reactors he spoke about in the middle east saying it was good to go. a deal like that would have been highly lucrative if true. does this point to financial motivation, collusion or both? >> yes, i think it does. you have to look at the sequence. we had had the emirates meeting with trump transition in december. then we have two that have been accused of cutouts. on the 11th of january we had eric prince going to seychelles and meeting with a very prominent, connected financial representative of russia. then on the 16th, we had in switzerland, a meeting with the
same russian official with scaramucci. and then we have -- i think, if you emphasize what flynn was doing on the day of the inauguration on the 20th it was like spiking the ball to use a football reference. it was like, there, we're going to get rid of the sanctions and then we're going to go forward and do big business. so it is a confirmation, i think, of exactly the quid pro quo. you help us get elected and we take care of the sanctions. >> if i could add one more thing, we are in the midst of a number of criminal investigations and congressional oversight. but we shouldn't lose fact of the matter that, yes, if there's quid pro quo, you have a crime. even aside from whether or not you have a crime, the ethics rules which are noncriminal but set the standard for how the federal government is supposed to behave prohibit this sort of misuse of position for a colleague and if these were
former clients or former employers, he was supposed to recuse from anything involving them. so i know that's not quite as sexy as some of the criminal stuff, but the reality is it's a strong message about the culture of this white house which is just rotting from the top and both the president's example of not resolving his conflicts of interest and the counsel to the president don mcgahn sending a message that anything goes unless it is strictly illegal and will get caught. >> michael, listen, there are so many trump associates with ties to russia. we know jared kushner had spoken to russian bankers about financing for one of his family's construction projects. paul manafort had a number of lucrative dealings with russian-backed ukrainians. in addition to money we know he was paid by a russian broadcaster flynn was possibly involved in a deal to build nuclear power plants in the middle east. what picture does this paint to you?
>> it paints one of two or both. one, these are very greedy or money driven people who will do virtually anything, irrespective of the ethics laws that should govern their behavior to make a profit. we see that a little bit in the last activity of manafort last week where he was writing an op-ed for money to further his interests notwithstanding a gag order by the courts. these people operate under a different ethical standard, and that's one driven by finance. the second one, the and/or or both is that this is, as we talked about a minute ago, the payback for the assistance that was given through perhaps don, junior and then june 9th meeting and wikileaks and julian assange through the distribution of hacked e-mails and knowing facilitation of that by don, junior and the campaign as a response to, you know, their
helping them get elected. >> yeah. >> so you could have either or both of those things. neither of which is either ethical or in perhaps some cases not even legal. >> michael, walter, john, thank you. i appreciate it. i have breaking news to tell you about now. firefighters are right now trying to gain ground in southern california. look at these live pictures from our affiliate kcal-kcbs out there in ventura county, california. dry conditions, high winds up to 70 miles an hour. driving a series of wildfires in and around the los angeles area and ventura counties. tens of thousands of residents forced to flee on very short notice. the outlook isn't great with containment either at just 5% for the largest of the fires. some 150 homes and businesses have already been destroyed. this video, it is terrifying. take a look at this. flames on both sides of traffic. look at that along california's 405 freeway.
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here is a good question. is al franken staying in the senate or is he resigning? we'll find out tomorrow. aides say the democrat accused of sexual harassment is going to make an announcement, but tonight more than 30 of his democratic colleagues calling on him to resign. let's discuss now with alice
stewart and keith boykin. good evening to you all. thank you very much. democratic lawmakers today led the way with this call for al franken -- doing to you, tara, to resign. multiple women accused him of sexual harassment. over 30 senators now. did it take all the women to get the ball rolling? at first they were like, i'm sure he'll do the right thing. he kept saying, i'm sorry. >> they were trying to give him a chance. that's because he's fairly well liked amongst his colleagues. they figured okay, he apologized for leann tweeden incident, it happened before he was a senator. i think they thought he could weather that. i felt if more accusers came out it would be an impossibility for them politically. you have had several women come out, and interestingly, and people should know this, he has not apologized for the other
accusers. it was really only the first one, the photograph. >> lee anne tweed. >> he didn't admit any wrongdoing with the other ones. he said he's sorry if he offended anyone. right now he's persona nongrata. you candidate have that many democratic female -- >> do you think he'll step down? >> chuck schumer, everyone. >> everyone is calling for him to step down. his office said no final decision has been made. how do you think the democrats are handling this, keith? >> i got a lot of flack for this a few days ago because i called for him to step down, and john conniers, too. >> join the club. >> people should be held to the same standard regardless of party. i have been critical of donald trump and roy moore. if we are doing that we have to look at what's going on in the democratic y party. i think the democrats were a little slow at first to respond to this, but it's a serious issue. if you can't be a party that appeals to women's interests and then not take serious the claims
of women -- >> exactly right. >> responses you get when someone you don't know like you hear democrats and even republicans say he should do this. when it's someone you know -- >> right. >> well, he's like. well, this happened. >> this discussion is opening the doors to show people how hypocritical that can be. you can't have it both ways. because it's your guy and you like them, if you want the high ground you have to be consistent across the board and democrats are looking at 2018. they want to be able to hammer republicans if roy moore wins on tuesday. the republican party will be roy moore. >> allison is back there and she wants to get in. go ahead. >> look, the democratic party has, for many years, claimed to be the party for women. equal rights for women, equal pay, and supporting women. i applaud them for coming out in full force today standing up for women. i think the volume of those here
in washington that came out to call for al franken to step down really said a lot. senator gillibrand has been leading the charge on this, saying one charge or allegation of sexual harassment is too many and the volumes we have here is not acceptable. i applaud them for coming forward. even d & c chairman tom perez saying, look, we have to take a stand. look, i see that some of -- have come out and they've talked to al franken. they like him, respect him. but they say he is humiliated, embarrassed. at this point he needs to be history in washington. >> yeah. >> that being said, this needs to be across the board. sexual harassment is nonpartisan. if the standard applies for al franken and john conyers it should be the same standard for republicans. >> okay. >> that means roy moore. >> oh! perfect segue to what i'm going to ask you next. kellyanne conway appeared to
defend the president's endorsement of roy moore of cnn this morning. >> the president has tremendous moral standards. he's said the allegations are troubling. >> really? is it april fool's day? >> she praised the president's, quote, tremendous moral standards, alice? >> if these allegations are truly troubling in the eyes of the president or anyone in washington or in the white house, then they wouldn't be standing behind roy moore. look, we have to look at what's in the best interest of the character and the priorities and the principles of this party. not what is best for a political outcome. we need to look at the long game. it's more important to stand for what's right as opposed to the next vote in washington. i think it would be much better served for any republican to stand behind someone who has much more character and principal, as opposed to someone who's a check in the party --
>> i've been saying that for a year. >> i don't want to lose time here. quickly, i still here people saying don't put al franken in this category of roy moore. what he's accused of isn't the same thing. that's hypocrisy. >> you can't. >> right. stick with me. when we come back, time magazine naming their person of the year today. and, no, it's not you know who. sometimes the best time is time you make for yourself. aveeno® daily moisturizing lotion with active naturals® oat. locks in moisture to improve skin wellness in just one day. aveeno® naturally beautiful results®
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"time" magazine out with its person of the year for 2017, in this case, it's people. back with me -- it's a number of people. persons. here's my question. let me put it up here. it's called the silence breakers. that's what the magazine named the persons of the year. individuals who set off a national reckoning over the prevalence of sexual harassment, its person of the year 2017. however, noticeably absent -- this is my question -- where is gretchen carlson in all of this? she got roger ailes ousted from fox news, from a conservative network, leading six more women to come forward and accuse ailes -- she was the catalyst for this whole movement. where was she? didn't matter that it happened last year, i mean -- >> right. that's what i thought, that
maybe because it was -- started last year and that's why she wasn't included. but without question, you could say she was the catalyst in the media world for women to come forward, as well. >> people in the media world did not come out until gretchen carlson, even people at her own network. >> that is absolutely true. and it wasn't until, megyn kelly, because she was a star at fox news at the time, when she confirmed that she had been a victim, as well, that's when the flood gates went open. it started with gretchen. i think she was unfairly left out. >> why leave her out, alice? >> that crossed my mind today, as well, as to why she wasn't included in there, but i think the tremendous thing with gretchen is, she's here in washington today helping to lead the charge to further attention to the me too act, which will help really blow this out of the water and really shed light on these -- the sex slush fund here
in washington that uses taxpayer money to pay off some of these cases of sexual harassment and put -- shine the light on these confidential agreements where women have to hide in shame after they're paid out for this. so i think she's going to do a lot more than people realize. >> alice, that's all the more reason, maybe it was 2016 she did that, but that's all the more reason, because she's continuing the fight. she's continuing to be a trail blazer. >> maybe she refused to do the photo shoot, because it was only a probably. just kidding. >> that is some shade. >> that's what the president of the united states said. >> well, let's talk about the president. gave a speech today and towards the end, many people noticed, it went crazy on social media, you noticed that, right, his speech pattern changed and he started to slur his words. listen to this. >> god bless you, god bless israel, god bless the palestinians and god bless the united states. thank you very much. thank you. >> i think that was the most
noticeable, but during -- earlier in the speech, as well, it was a little bit odd. here is what dr. sanjay gupta said, there is clearly some abnormalities of his speech. you could call it slurring or a little bit of difficulty forming words. it doesn't appear to have any he doesn't appear to have any motor weakness. of course, it is difficult to diagnose someone only from a video. but then he goes on to say the problems may stem from mouth issues. is it fair to ask about the president's health here? >> of course it is. i mean, it's tradition for the president to have -- >> it was so noticeable. everyone noticed it. >> this isn't the first time. but you have to remember the idiocy of the president getting this letter from the doctor during the campaign, and then the letter, trump was tweeting out, thanking his father, who died, like, ten years ago? the whole thing, and he was in perfect health, whatever, the greatest health ever. i mean, it's just so ridiculous, because clearly -- >> you noticed it.
>> yeah i noticed it. clearly donald trump is not in perfect health. we've heard about his eating habits, for goodness sake. he's gained how many pounds since he went into the white house. he went after hillary clinton, saying she didn't have stamina, she was sick and all this, yet here he is, it's fair for us to speculate something is going on. >> i think this is a serious issue. i think there's going to be reforms that come into effect after he leaves office. one of them might be requiring people to reveal their tax returns. but another one has got to be having a medical, physical evaluation of the president of the united states on an annual basis. the president has the capacity to launch nuclear weapons. there's no reason why that person should have that ability and we as americans don't know whether that person has the physical and mental capacity to function correctly. >> kennedy concealed his ailments. >> here's the thing. the trump campaign was not kind to hillary clinton regarding her health. i'm wondering if they opened the door to such personal scrutiny here. >> look, i -- i was listening to that like a lot of other people,
i was listening to it on headset. so i was really listening closely to it. to me, it sounded like he was thirsty and he needed to get a glass of water and do the marco rubio routine. drink some water. >> that could be. i thought he might have had dry mouth, but it was just -- yeah, go on. >> i think it's been overblown. i'll taek hattack him on a lot things, and this one, i think he just had a dry mouth, was thirsty. and we all know, if we did go to the doctor and asked for a physical check, we saw his doctor, he is the modern day version of patch adams. he would give us another note that he's in perfect health and he's the most healthy man in america. >> that's why we need an independent physician, walter reed physician -- >> go to the naval hospital. where everybody else went. >> not some quack doctor. >> this is what the white house says. the white house responded and they say the president is perfectly healthy. >> i'm sure he is. >> the fact is, the meetings all day and he is still here working now. and i'm sure he's watching cnn
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