$6.5 billion loss from real gdp growth for each week of a shutdown. that would knock off 2% off gdp. growth has strengthened the past two quarters despite hurricanes in the gulf of mexico and a tight labor market. it's never a good time for a government shutdown. >> no. >> thanks for joining us. >> "new day" starts right now. we'll see you tomorrow. in my view, there is no attorney/client privilege that protects a discussion between father and son. >> all my questions were answer answered. >> it is to conceal something. >> there's a pattern. those are grounds for termination. >> senator franken will speak to this. he acknowledges his conduct was very serious. >> where are the republican voices? where is their outrage? this is a time we can make a culture change.
>> everything is burned down to the ground. >> the biggest threat is and will always continue to be the wind. >> grab your family first. grab a couple things that you need and get out now. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> all right. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is your "new day". it's thursday, december 7th. 6:00 here in new york. here's our starting line. donald trump jr. refused to reveal details about this call with his father related to this now infamous trump tower meeting last summer between the trump campaign and russians. is trump junior's use of attorney/client privilege legitimate? the answer is no, and we'll tell you why. and new details about fired national security adviser michael flynn in the russia investigation.
a whistle wiblower said russian sanctions would be ripped up as one of the trump administration's first acts. to the democrats now, majority of senate democrats calling for embattled senator al franken to resign as the list of women accusing him of sexual misconduct grows. he is set to make an announcement today about his political future. on taxes, house speaker paul ryan says the gop plans to cut spending on medicare, medicaid and social security in order to tackle the debt. now, remember candidate trump promised not to touch these programs. are republicans targeting programs to pay for the $1.5 trillion that their tax plan is projected to add to the deficit. evan perez is live with the top story. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn is. donald trump jr. is says attorney/client privilege is the reason he doesn't have to tell lawmakers what he and his dad talked about this past summer.
this is a meeting at trump tower in which russians were to provide junior with information to undermine hillary clinton's campaign. he told lawmakers that the father/son conversation happened after trump junior issued a statement and ullely he released e-mails showing what the meeting was really about. trump also told investigate issors that he spoke to hope hicks, one of the closest aids as they scrambled to prepare the statement for the media. the president was traveling overseas. as we reported, white house aides and the president himself worked aboard air force one to prepare that misleading statement which claimed that the 2016 trump tower meeting was about adoptions. we know the trump tower meeting and the white house response are under scrutiny by special counsel robert mueller. neither trump jr. nor the president is a lawyer. but lawyers were present for the conversation so is it's covered
by attorney/client privilege. democrats certainly dispute that idea. but it appears as long as republican lawmakers allow the privilege claim, the president's son won't have to provide more details to congress. chris and alisyn. >> let's bring in john avlon and jeffrey toobin. jeffrey toobin, the verdict? >> well, i mean, some legal concepts are are disputable and some are not. and this is not disputable. the attorney/client privilege only applies to conversations between a lawyer and a client. if anyone else is present, there is no client. the fact that donald trump and his father were both present with a bunch of lawyers does not make the conversation privileged under any reasonable interpretation of the attorney/client privilege. and what the trump forces seem to be relying on is awe compliant republican majority in the intelligence community that is not going to force the issue
because any court would reject an attorney/client privilege on this basis. >> so lawmakers were frustrated. jackie spear talked about how she hoped he would be forth coming. listen to this. >> he has a very serious case of amnesia. and he was pretty nonresponsive on a lot of issues that frankly you would have a recollection of considering it was just a year ago that many of these events took place when donald trump is the candidate. he was by his father's side. he was campaigning with his father. and you get the impression in listening to him that he didn't spend much time talking with his father. >> now what? where does that lead? >> this is a case of political amnesia. attorney/client privilege, as jeff just said, that's not how this works. will it allow them get away with
something self is evidently not enforceable in a court of law. >> but that matters, by the way. forum matters. jeffrey is 100% right, as am i. anybody knows this. >> and i'm right. >> especially you. >> alisyn's favorite thing. if you just google attorney/client shoe, the answer is clear. it doesn't matter. this is political. it is not legal. there is no judge. there are no rules. it is whatever they allow is okay. so if they're like, okay, that's fine with us, it's fine. as is the word recollect. that's another word. but he's doing this to protect himself. >> of course he is. >> that's what he's doing. >> it is also why people hate washington. at the end of the day it is a seven for the truth. when people are ignoring the obvious because it's more convenient politically. >> but his supporters will say all this is about is politics.
they're trying to get us. this is a witch-hunt that's going on. why give them ammo? >> it is not a reasonable response about a search for the truth, a hostile foreign power trying to influence the election. we heard across the board nothing. now we see it is a percent epbt pattern. that is central not just their campaign but to american history. i would imagine there would be some self-reflection about it, which would spur memories, which would spurs conversation and testimony. if there's not, they are trying to avoid something that could be politically and potentially legally damning. >> always, counselor. jeffrey, does this mean that the congressional investigations are basically, i don't know what the word is, impotent perhaps? >> i think certainly the mueller investigation is far more serious. though we don't know what form
any discloser from the mueller investigation will come. he has obviously brought a handful of cases. but what kind of report he will file, whether that is public, that is very much an unresolved question. >> he only has to give it to ros rosenstein. >> correct. and even what form that report takes is not defined. so is mueller is going to define himself what kind of report he files to whom, about what, to what extent. the house and senate investigations have produced some valuable information. but anyone who thinks there is going to be a comprehensive fair minded complete investigation of the whole russia/trump campaign matter from these deeply divided committees i think is kidding themselves. >> their main the role -- their jurisdiction is ral oversight and trying to figure out how to
prepare the country how to deal with it the next time. >> right. >> it is mueller who is looking into coordination, collusion, cooperation and any crimes attached thereto. this meeting with trump junior is a metaphor for the entire thing. the big fence for him, the obvious is, one, why change your reckoning of what this meeting was. he was worried how it would be pr received. what did the president know? why? that goes whether there was any coordinate nation here. >> and the question you are asking is precisely the question he refused to answer on bogus attorney/client privilege grounds. he's allowed to the that with the republican majority. >> he has said i don't remember any documents being left for, given to or anything like that. that will be awe key component for mueller. >> here's another point too.
at the end of the day this is to stop this from happening again. there is no evidence that is being taken seriously. >> true. >> there are partisan blinders on the fact that a foreign power tried to influence our elections. they are not going to be proactive. >> senator kennedy said he believes it will get worse. >> right. >> and that's simply unacceptable. >> so we now know more about what mike flynn was up to thanks to courtesy a whistle-blower who said on the day of the inauguration, jeffrey, michael flynn was sending texts to contacts basically saying that the sanctions against russia for interfering in the election that obama had placed on russia would be ripped up shortly now that president trump was installed. >> yeah. if flynn was doing this, it's inappropriate at so many different levels.
it shows he's using government information to profit either himself or his colleagues. it is a disclosure of -- he shows that he was acting -- doing negotiations before the trump campaign took office. and third, and perhaps most importantly, it's another example of trump campaign, trump administration officials reaching out to russia trying to accommodate russia for reasons that remain entirely unexplainable. >> on the face of the facts -- >> i didn't say it was a criminal matter. it is is further proof how inappropriately the trump transition and trump campaign behaved with russia. >> this is like the villain out of a lousy spy novel. during the address, the incoming
nsa is texting colleagues saying it's on. it is is unbelievable. keeping in mind sanctions were put in place in retaliation for russia trying to influence the election. and we're being brushed back by flynn and other folks. this is being done minutes into the administration from the nsa about trying to get rich off these things. it is is beyond craven. >> and the answer we still don't have both in the small scale and the large scale is why. why was the trump administration or the trump campaign so fixated on accommodating vladimir putin? what was it that donald trump found so appealing that he kept up with him throughout the campaign and into his administration. >> thank you for posing all of
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is going to milwaukee a big announcement today, we think. it is is certainly about his political future. what's driven it to this point? a majority of his democratic senators kind of spontaneously got together and called for his resignation amid growing accusations of sexual misconduct. cnn suzanne malveaux has the story on capitol hill with how we got here. is suzanne? >> reporter: good morning, chris. with do expect senator al franken is going to announce the fate of his future here here in washington, d.c. later today. husband spokesperson late last night disputed a minnesota public radio report saying he was going to step down. but it is is -- having said that, it is widely expected that is exactly what he is going to do. this came after an extraordinary
day of developments yesterday. a sixth woman came forward sayi alleging al franken had touched her. gillibrand of new york said enough is enough. she put out a statement and then quickly there was an effort of female democratic senators calling for his resignation. it turned into an avalanche within 30 minutes or so. you had more than 30 people, colleagues of al franken saying this was not going to work. that for the good of his constituen constituents, as well as the senate, he step down and resign. >> obviously there are new allegations today. and enough is enough. we need to draw a line in the sand and say none of it is is okay. none of it is is acceptable. and we as elected leaders should be held to a higher standard not a lower standard. i do not feel he should continue
to serve. >> reporter: so recently he came back after initial allegations of inappropriate groping, touching, kissing. he a poll jewsed, saying he was embarrassed, ashamed. chuck schumer yesterday took al franken aside and said, look, this can no longer endure. there will be a special election. it is expected to be very competitive. chris, alisyn. >> thank you very much. back with john avilan and karoun deper general. it is hard to see how he doesn't resign with this tidal wave of colleagues calling for resignation.
if the punishment fits the crime and he does have to lose his job in this me too movement, he said he's embarrassed, contrite. they don't seem to rise to the level of harvey weinstein like crimes. but in this climate, you guess al franken is going to leave his job. >> it is very hard to fight off that many of your colleagues, dozens at this point, especially your closest friends like chuck schumer who is saying it is is time for you to go. this about the accusations of al franken and democrats proving they can do some house cleaning when they have to do it. it becomes difficult for them to speak with moral clarity when it comes to people like roy moore. it becomes difficult to point a finger at other people as well
if they're not willing to look themselves. this is clearly a sign that is happening. it becomes, look, it is is interesting this week is when senator franken started more forcefully denying allegations that he made and the drip, drip, drip into the bucket got to be too much. and you saw yesterday the women in the senate coming out, person after person. five or six people in 10 minutes. and then it was like a snowball falling down the hill. >> or a game of telephone. i could argue either way fairly effectively. but there are a couple problems with the assumptions when you laid it out. one, the relativism argument. these accusations aren't what roy is. i think that's demonstrably true but smacks of hypothetical increase. and does the punishment fit the crime. who gave these people the right to tell an elected leader you
must go? >> the argument about roy moore. >> that's why they have been saying the voters decide. we have a boss. if the boss doesn't like what we do, they fire us. they have a boss that is a collection of people who vote based on when their term is. what about this precedent that awe group of lawmakers can say avalon, we don't like your face. do you have get out. >> that is an issue. there are methods for dealing with senators is, right? there is censure. >> they have an investigation against franken. >> correct. and i think it's better to let that process go forward. in the early 1990s, 19 allegations of sexual misconduct. very serious. ultimately there was a 10,000 page report. and he left the senate despite being recently re-elected. there was an avalanche yesterday of senators, democrats coming out.
untenable situation for al franken. it is clearly a political calculation because the democrats admirably have to say we have moral clarity when it comes to condemning roy moore. >> do they have moral clarity if they do it to achieve a political purpose? >> they are trying to make that contrast clear. here's the larger problem. it is not just the president. it is also about the alleged. six women have come out. incidents occurred primarily before al franken was senator. that's an interesting question about what is the statute of limitations. >> but not all, right? >> the majority of them seem to be before. his radio show, uso tours. i'm unaware of any directly. >> i'll check. >> so that's an issue. the other thing is as we confront this problem, it's a cultural problem as a country. it affects all industries apparently, i do think we want
to keep disteupbinct, harvey weinstein, the roy moore bucket. and sort of the al franken bucket and programs the george h.w. bush bucket. to lump them all together does a disservice. >> they say they didn't even know about it. they didn't know. they've told us on camera -- >> it was signed, voted on to put into policy. but they didn't know. >> here we are. we find ourselves here today. eyes wide open how do we deal with it when these crop up. let's move on to taxes. paul ryan is saying in fact, we may need -- they are considering cutting medicare, medicaid, all the things that would help not accrue the $1.5 trillion in
deficit, karoun. here's what donald trump thought in 2015. >> i'm not going to cut social security like every other republican. and i'm not going to cut medicare or medicaid. every other republican is going to cut. even if they wouldn't, they don't know what to do. they don't know where the money is. i do. i do. >> so what's happened? >> well, he's now president and he is now been -- he's in a position where he doesn't get into the fine-tuning work of the details of these bills. he will leave it up to the congressional gop, cheers on whatever he gets. we'll see. trump has changed his tune on a lot of things between when he was campaigning and when he got to the oval office. is this where he does put a line in the sand. okay. they will be keeping a pretty clear campaign promise that i think is why -- a lot of people supported him and it spoke to
them. it is a question of balance sheets and a question of the whole gop leadership on capitol hill saying, no, we have to do this in order to find that money that you said you know where it is but clearly is not on the table right now when we are talking about tax reform. we will see what he says, if he decides to go along with it. it is not the first time he has changed his mind. >> karoun, this is ryan at this point. we'll see what the president postures. >> exactly. paul ryan is the one who is actually working with the -- designing and crafting the policy at this point. >> right. >> trying to build the coalition and saying, mr. president, this is what we've got. sometimes, yes, he has commented on things and said i don't like that, i prefer that. but in general he's playing the role of cheerleader of getting things done. >> this has been a cause for paul ryan throughout his career before he was speaker, as a vice president. the general racial debt and -- the deficit and the general
racial debt. the problem is it is also passing a fiscally irresponsible tax cut. they are focusing on medicare and medicaid. that's a big deal. and putting aside infrastructure reform. that is the side. they are focusing on to try to square the circle. >> what is surprising is that ryan would show his hand on something that could be so potentially damaging. that's going to be a tough sell. >> karoun, john, thank you. donald trump jr. refusing to tell lawmakers what he discussed with his father about the trump tower meeting with the russians. why can't he talk about the conversation with his dad? we're going to ask former trump campaign manager corey lewandowski next.
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donald trump jr. invoking attorney/client privilege, refusing to answer questions to congressional investigators. remember, don junior's statement said it was initially about russian tkaoplgzs. but he promised that meeting because it promised dirt on hillary clinton. corey lewandowski. we'll get to your book in a second. should don junior be more forth coming about what that meeting was about with investigators? >> reporter: alisyn, look, i would say this. anybody who was talking to a government official should be truthful. and what we have seen coming from this white house is is every staff person who has been asked to cooperate is
cooperating. the president is cooperating, according to his attorney. so what i think the white house wants is a quick resolution to any type of investigation which will exonerate him and his team to further prove that there is no collusion or cooperation between the -- >> look, i think it would help congressional investigators if he were more forth coming. here's what we know that he said yesterday. he said he consulted hope hicks, now director of communications, to deal with that. he does not say that he talked to his dad. does that wash with you? that donald trump, the president, wouldn't have been involved in crafting that statement that the "washington post", their reporting said that on the airplane donald trump dictated how he wanted that statement read about adoptions. >> well, look. i wasn't familiar with that issue. obviously that took place since i have left the team. but it would not be unheard of that, you know, that there is an individual in between the
president and individual who is trying to get a statement out or approved. it would be in the common course that that person could have been like hope hicks or sarah huckabee sanders or somebody else. >> but in your experience, did john jr. have access to his dad, did they communicate a lot? >> of course. my children have access to me. i'm sure everyone's children has access to them. from what i understand of this particular issue, this is when the president was on air force one returning from a long overseas trip. so of course he would have had access. the question is would it have been something don junior wanted or needed to speak about or would he have been working with staff or other people. i just don't know the answer. >> you were in the campaign when this trump tower meeting happened with this group of russians. so what do you know about that? >> i was part of the campaign at the time. i was still the campaign manager. but i wasn't, a, invited to the meeting. i didn't know about the meeting, b. and, c, learned about the meeting after it was publicly
reported here on cnn and other networks. so that was a meeting that took place in june of 2016. i was still at the campaign. it was about a week before i had left the campaign. >> but nobody bounced it off of you. >> no. i didn't know the meeting existed until it was publicly available in the recent weeks and months. >> when did you decide to write "let trump be trump"? >> it was probably some time after the president was sworn in and thought about the historic nature of the campaign and he happened into the american people, the movement that he saw, the pulse that he has on the people. so me and my co author david bosse said we want to put together a realistic account of what may be the most historic campaign of presidential politics in our lifetimes or maybe forever. >> and you do include some fascinating tidbits. one that has gotten a lot of
attention. one is his wrath. sooner or later, everybody who works for donald trump will see a side of him that makes you wonder why you took a job with him in the first place. his wra is that a good managerial style, corey? >> i'll tell you, alisyn. that is a -- what i'm trying to explain there is he deserves the best. he demands the best. he forces his people to be the best they can be. when i failed, and i failed a lot in the campaign, he let me know that. what that did is made me a better person. it was such an honor of having the privilege of working next to him to make me a better manager, make me more efficient. this is a man who has achieved so much success in politics, real estate, television, books. >> with some high profile
failures with bankruptcies, et cetera. >> if you and i could make $10 billion and leader of the free world -- >> i don't know about that figure but i hear you. you're a fan. should the president this week have endorsed roy moore? >> well, sure, he should. the dichotomy in the race is very clear. you have one individual who wants to come to washington and stop ulle legal immigration, move tax relief forward for working class families and be a pro second amendment individual. then we have a different individual in the race who is anti-stopping illegal immigration, wants more taxes and anti-second amendment. the people have to choose. it is a binary choice in alabama. >> i understand. but you do seem to be glossing over a little bit of the history of eight women coming forward against roy moore making accusations that he -- in the case of two assaulted them when
they were teenagers, one of whom was 14. you heard al franken a pig. >> true. >> is roy moore a pig? >> here's the difference between the two. one has an accusation and they need to be taken very, very seriously. and the people of alabama need to weigh if those accusations are real. if so, they need to make that decision at the ballot box. al franken, there is not an accusation here. we have pictures, we have evidence and an admission of guilt that he decided it was appropriate to grope women while they were sleeping and thought it was a joke. >> i see. so if you take responsibility -- >> alisyn, your colleague refused to even acknowledge -- your colleague refused to even acknowledge that groping them while they were asleep was a tkus gusting thing. he said it was a stupid picture. >> are you talking about chris? >> chris. >> come on! you don't think chris thinks
that he is against groping women? >> go back to the tape. >> hold on a second, corey. the picture is al franken -- >> groping a woman who is asleep. in the state of new hampshire we call that assault. >> and what do you call assaulting a woman behind a shopping mall when she's 16 years old? >> the difference is one is accused of it. one has admitted to it. >> corey, what you're playing right now -- in other words, if you ever take responsibility for something you did years ago, you should have the book thrown at you. if you just say women are lying, you're willing to go with them. >> why is it 50% of al franken's colleagues have asked him to resign -- >> corey, why do you believe the al frankening curesers and not roy moore. >> that's not what i said. >> why isn't roy moore a pig in your mind. >> if he did it, he's a
disgusting pig as well. >> you don't believe the accusers? >> alisyn, what i said was those allegations need to be taken absolutely seriously. and what roy moore has to do is he has to answer to the voters. what al franken is going to do finally, which is a real profile in courage, is resign from the u.s. senate because another accuser, his eighth one, came out yesterday. >> corey, next topic. steve bannon. a man you know well. this week he went after mitt romney for not fulfilling military service. mitt romney had gone on religious missions. he said that mitt romney and his family should be ashamed, his sons that they didn't sign up for the military. should the same apply to donald trump and his sons? >> look, i think 6th person who has the opportunity to serve is a decision that they have to make. i didn't serve in the military, but my brother was a 20-year marine. my father served in vietnam, and my grandfather served in world war ii. >> do you hold it against mitt
romn romney. >> i don't hold it against anybody who doesn't serve in our great military. i never served, so i am not going to be here to cast a persians. i don't know what the circumstances are of any one individual, but i am grateful for the people who decide to volunteer to make sure you and i have a great country that we can sleep in every time, the greatest country in the world. >> understood and agreed. do you think steve bannon and his rhetoric are dangerous? >> i think what steve bannon wants to do is change washington, d.c. and the way he wants to go about doing that is to find candidates who aren't willing to stick with the status quo. with that being said, and mitch mcconnell talked about this yesterday, there will be races, i am certain of it, where steve bannon and mitch mcconnell both agree there is one candidate who should come to washington. with ohio josh mendell, are
supporting sherrod brown. i don't think it is a binary choice. >> steve bannon sometimes does. very quickly. lightning round. why is hope hicks having to steam the president's pants. >> everybody does everything on the campaign. corey lewandowski does the same thing. and goes on food runs. >> hold on, corey. do you steam the president's pants while he's wearing them? >> of course. when you're in a rush, we are doing 25 events a day. we're stuck for 15 seconds, we're going to make sure things are ready. if that's part of my job, i do it all. >> he would order two big macs and two fillet of fish, were you worried about him? >> he never ate the bread. was a concerned? no. he was so busy campaigning we didn't have time to sit down for a meal. >> there you go.
corey lewandowski. the book again "let trump be trump." thank you. chris? >> that was good. >> he didn't eat the bread, and that's the important part. i don't know if it just pops out of his head like pez. >> i appreciate your measured response when he was talking about you. i was -- >> that's all they have. we all know what's going on with these allegations. everybody is playing the political advantage. you are seeing it with with the democrats with the mob on franken. would they just kick roy moore out? how? that's not how the system wants. he can say whaefpts, he just doesn't often say it that well. raging wildfires. santa ana winds are such a big problem out there. they are literally turbo charging the flames. so much firefighters out there putting their lives on the line.
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tpotentially catastrophic winds posing extreme fire danger in southern california. this is the largest fire, the thomas fire. it is just destroying so many communities in ventura county. more than 100,000 people have been forced from their homes a few weeks before christmas. tens of thousands of acres just lost. cnn's stephanie elam live in ventura county, california. you have the gear on. you're going to have to if you are going to be near the smoke, let alone the folks. how are you holding up? how are the firefighters holding up? >> reporter: it's difficult for the firefighters, chris. if you take a look behind me here, what you see over my shoulder, this is the pacific coast highway and 101, where he they merge. it is closed down in both directions to access santa barbara to the north now.
this thomas fire has burned some 95,000 acres, only 5% canned. earlier an hour or so ago we went into this neighborhood which is right off the highway. it only has one way in and out of it off the freeway. and there we shot some video of the fire racing down the hill towards this little community. this is a community that dealt with many natural disasters many years ago they had a catastrophic landslide as well. that fire racing down. while we were standing there we were watching embers blow off the strong santa ana winds and hit the palm tree, it lit up right above houses there. they started mandatory evacuations, moving people out of there. all of that is part of the same system you see behind me where it's coming down the hill. i have on the goggles and the mask because it's burning our eyes and irritating our lungs. i can hear the crashing of the ocean and the crackling of the
fire. that's just this fire. and when you take a look at this, it is a still a precarious situation as the winds will be super strong today. and that could lead into strong winds this afternoon. >> so we can see all of that from your live shot. be careful. we can see how close the fire is. thank you very much for your reporting. when will the unpredictable winds let up? cnn's chad myers is looking at it. he has the forecast. what happens today, chad? >> what happens today is the winds go up from here. we had gusts overnight of 70 miles per hour sustained at 45. that's going to be the story of the day. it doesn't end until saturday. this weather brought to you by jared. the galleria of jewelry. the wind already here picking and fanning the phrase for thomas, rye creek, and skirball. almost really in the middle of town where the other wildland
areas but they burned into ventura. notice the reds by 7:00 a.m. that is a 45-mile-per-hour sustained wind with higher gusts here. and tomorrow morning it doesn't get a whole lot better. still in the 40-mile-per-hour range. you have to understand when you get a 20-mile-per-hour wind, the embers fly with that wind. now, there will be some relief finally by saturday. the whole shift in the pattern is going to cool things down. we'll get snow here in atlanta. 29 degrees for a morning low. >> whoa. >> that's cold for us. >> i know. if only we could move the weather where we need it. one of the big frustrations of your job. so often what's happening in one part of the country is what we need somewhere else. be well, chad. president trump formally recognizing jerusalem at israel's capital. what implications will this
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violence breaking out in bethlehem. palestinian protesters demonstrating against president trump decision to recognize jerusalem is as israel's capital. this is clearly a developing situation. we'll keep you posted on it. right now there seems to be tires burning back there. there have been objects thrown. there are people in the streets. security is getting heavy. this is all going on as the white house admits the president's decision could temporarily derail the peace process. joining us now is cnn global affairs analyst aaron david
millar. adm, you are the perfect guest for this. the word from the white house is we said we would do this. it's been promised for a long time. we're making good on the promise. and we have calculated that there may be a temporary hiccup in relations. but in the long term, it's worth it. your analysis? >> you know, for almost 25 years, we tried to do everything possible to dodge this issue. i mean, every secretary of state i worked for, when the issue came to jerusalem it was always punt, don't play with it, don't mess around with it. it is the most combustible issue in the negotiations. chris, look, the peace process is dead. trump may have just buried it with this announcement. but the reality is what he did yesterday has nothing to do with the us raily/palestinian peace process and has everything to do with a frustrated president, a willful president who decided he
wanted to fulfill a campaign commitment. he was tired of using the national security waiver. he used it once in june. just like iran. he told his constituents. and it's the end of the year. so he check this box. tpp, check that box. tax reform, check that box. withdraw from paris climate, check that box. this is the triumph of domestic politics and personal conviction to separate himself from barack obama and fundamentally do something that no american president has ever done. and he did it yesterday. >> so here's some pushback. bills say this was a law passed in 1995. this was supposed to happen, and presidents have not had the strength. trump has the strength to do this. israel is our most ally in the region. they want this. they have asked for it. we have promised it to them. he is showing the strength and the loyalty to that relationship. that's who he is.
he's different than other presidents. >> that may be true. the reality is even if there is no peace process right now. even if it's dead, it may not be dead and buried. so my take on this is what national interest with respect to american security credibility image does this really address? i don't think it addresses any of those. and the notion that somehow you need to break a lot of eggs to make an omelet may be true. but i don't understand the relationship between taking this act, which clearly makes a lot of israelis happy, a lot of evangelicals happy, jewish community here is a complicated one. not all american jews but a lot of the organized community. but what impact does it have in the region? and i think this is the key. so last point, look for three indications of whether or not
the middle east has changed and whether or not the administration is right in its analysis. number one, what are the arab states going to do? these declarations seem to be mild. i was told they were coordinated, particularly the saudis. two, how much violence will there be on the ground. can it can be sustained. are we on the verge and look to tomorrow's prayers as an indication of how bad this might be. and finally, what does this do to the american role? pence is going to go to the middle east this month. let's see if mahmoud abbas sees him. >> adm, we're showing live pictures of what's happening in ramallah. you have a group of young people. there's some burning tires. they are getting sling shots going and throwing objects at security now. this will be argued by proponents of this move as proof
of the need for it. that this is what's going on out there. you don't reward violence by not making a step in the right direction like calling jerusalem the capital. they will use this as proof of the strength of the decision. how do you see it? >> i don't see it that way. because i'm not sure. it is a tottalogy. you hit somebody over the head with a hammer, what do you expect them to do, just roll over and say i'll sign the deal right now? no. they're clearly is going to be reaction. the question, though, is how sustained and how severe a reaction. does israeli control of the west bank and cooperation with the palestinian authority, is it still viable? will it preempt some of this stuff? again, i think we are in for a rough patch. the real question is how widespread will this be and how sustainable? this has a tendency to create
solutions for problems that don't exist. it is one of the few countries in the world in which the united states does not maintain its embassy in the preferred capital of the host country. the problem is one person's floor is another person's ceiling. the united states has awe broader obligation not just to deal with the realities at home, domestic politics or israeli political realities. we need to think more broadly about what constitutes american national interests. this was in my judgment ill-advised, ill timed, and ill conceived. there will be a price to be paid even though the price may not be as severe as some of the world enders believes. >> we're watching kids getting treated, teens, young