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cnn "cnn tonight" starts right now. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. a classic case of good news, bad news for the white house tonight. a huge accomplishment topped off with a lie. the good news for the president he's on the verge of signing a signature accomplishment for his office, the tax bill. a couple of technical bumps in the road forcing the house to revote. but the bill is expected to reach the president's desk by tomorrow. and it is a big deal. a lot of people have thought it might not happen, but the president and the republicans, well, they got it done. the bad news it looks like americans aren't that happy about the tax bill. our brand new cnn poll shows more than half are against it. maybe one reason they aren't convinced this bill is not in their best interest and not in the interest of the president personally and the super rich because president trump and his
administration have sold it i a lie. that lie being he'll take a big financial hit himself. >> this is going to cost me afertion, this thing. believe me. it's not good for thing. >> something press secretary sarah sanders doubled down on today. >> the president did say this tax cut bill would cost him a fortune. that was false, right? >> no, because on it personal side this actually could impact the president in a large way. >> by all accounts that is just not true. this bill exempts almost everybody from the real estate tax, a great thing for wealthy families like the trump's who can pass on millions more of their wealth tax-free. it lowers the taxes on pass through businesses. the president's real estate businesses will benefit directly from this. and a last minute provision was addedthality specifically benefits those with real estate income. now, we could settle all this if we could just take a look at the president's tax returns which he still refuses to release
claiming he can't because he's being audited. although the irs says that doesn't prevent him from releasing them. that is lie, too. at the end of his first year in office the president has some work to do with the voters. his approval rating is at just 35%. there's no denying this tax bill is a major accomplishment for the president, it is. the biggest accomplishment so far. but voters watching, and if they don't like what they see, it could be a disaster for the republican party. let's get to cnn political analyst april ryan, and william cohen, the author of "why wall street matters," and city offen moor, a former senior economic advisor for the trump campaign. hello to all of you. good evening. thanks so much for joining us. steve, to you first, it's a huge
win for the trump administration, for this president. but how do you square that accomplishment with its lack of popularity among americans? >> well, with all due respect i think you buried the lead here. i mean the lead is we will pass something in the morning that is going to be really good for the economy. you're right, it's going to be very good for small business. it'll be good for american corporations. i started on this two years ago with donald trump, it's meant to create jobs to -- >> steve, i understand that, but before you pivot -- >> but that's what it's all about, though. >> that wasn't my question. that wasn't my question to you, and i know you're here. you're part of the administration. you advise them to spend, but my question is how do you square this with the lack of popularity among the american people? if you could answer that correctly by all means and you can pivot after that. >> i spent some time today looking at these polls and none of the polls actually tell the
american people it's a tax cut. in fact a lot of americans actually think they're going to get their taxes increased under this bill. and of course they'll find out in february for 90% of americans their taxes are going to go down. but let's face it, donald trump is not popular with a lot of americans. so anything associated with trump is something americans don't like. but i think when they see the jobs and growth and tax cut they get themselves, i think it'll turn around next year. >> thank you. what do you say to that? >> stephen moore shouldn't be allowed to do this anymore. he's been trying to talk about trickle down economics for 25 years. shouldn't be allowed to do that anymore. it's a tax increase for anybody who makes money paying ordinary income taxes. maybe if you pay capital gains taxes, maybe if you're donald trump and have a partnership income, this could be a tax cut. but for most people who have an income and have a w-2, this
would be a tax increase. >> how is that? how does it raise their taxes? >> how does it raise their taxes? you're a private equity guy you get a tax increase. the top rate guise from 39.6% to 37%. >> i get that but -- >> their state level income gets capped, their home is less valuable. they're going to feel poor. it creates a recession and not this boom in economic growth you're talking about. to say nothing of adding to huge national debt, increasing deficits, probably destroying our credit rating as a nation. thank you, stephen. >> look, there's nothing in this bill that raises taxes on the middle class. it reduces their tax rate and
doubles the standard deduction for -- you talked about mortgages, we capped the mortgage interest deduction at $7500,000. tell me how many middle class have a mortgage of $750,000? that's only wealthy people. only the very welgiest people are going to lose their state and local taxes. that's where half of the revenue loss comes from is very, very rich people in very rich states. >> very, very rich. there are a lot more people than very, very rich people that pay more than $10,000 in state and local taxes on an annual basis. >> this is part of what sarah sanders said earlier today. >> look, i said that in some ways particularly on the personal side the president will likely take a big hit. but on the business side he could benefit. but the biggest focus for this white house has been to make sure all americans are better off today after this tax package
passes than they were beforehand. we really focused on invigorating the middle class and making sure they got more of their hard earned money, and we think that will happen in this package. >> so-so you heard how doesn't this benefit the president, and you heard her say it doesn't, but he could benefit greatly. how does it benefit the president? >> if you look at everything we have of his, because we don't have his income taxes, he's a real estate mogul supposedly. so a lot of his income comes from partnership income. a lot of his income comes from capital gains. and if you're getting your income from capital gains and partnership income, you benefit tremendously from this at 20% rates. i don't think the president of the united states, donald trump, has any ordinary income.
>> i know you wanted to weigh in stephen, the property geppers do well under this plan. is the white house underplaying how well? >> they do. i will say this, look, i have never seen donald trump's tax return, but i will say this. he resides in the state of new york which has the highest taxes virtually in the country. so when we're talking about loss of state and local tax deduction really rich people like donald trump in really wealthy states like new york are going to pay more taxes. so it's possible his tax rate might go up by as many of 4 or 5 percentage points. >> there are republicans who are opposed to it as well not just liberals. >> i know. there are a lot of rich republicans that are going to pay taxes under this bill. >> that is true. a lot of super rich people like donald trump and his friends are
going to pay more taxes to some extent. i mean this is strange thing to say, but the worst people who gets hurt the worse from this have wall street investment banker types. that's people who have a lot of ordinary income, their bonus is ordinary income and they live in new york which is the highest taxed state in the country. wall street is a very big engine of growth in this country, and ought of people who do that are not going to pay hard taxes. >> traditionally are we -- >> are we going to feel sorry for these people? >> one at a time. stephen. >> okay, do we really want to steal salary from wall street inskri investment bankers? those people have made millions and millions and dollars off of the trump stock market.
>> a rally that by the way started in march of 2009 under the obama administration. in fact the stock market has gone up more under the obama administration than the trump administration. but the point is because -- >> he's only been in office for one year. >> but the people that benefit the most from this tax law as it will soon be are people like donald trump and huz friends who make most of their money from partnership income and most of their money from capital gains. those taxes are going down. >> let's talk about the actual people, the people who go to the polls and vote, who will decide who is in office next time, the american people. it shows 80% of american people shows they believe the tax plan will benefit the president and his family. when people like like they have more cash, they'll be happy. so what are the odds americans come around to this plan once it takes effects? that's a good question for you. >> i don't think they're going to be very happy at all, because
i think going to realize that the value of their largest asset, which is their home is going to be worth less because it's going to cost more for them to operate their home because they can have less fewer deductions, their capped at $10,000 for state and local taxes. the biggest component of state and local taxes are property taxes. people are going to be poorer as a result of having to pay more in taxes as a result of their property. >> stephen, i'll give you the last word. >> i think when americans see how this economy continues to expand, i'm expecting 4% growth next year, which would be unbelievably strong given what we've had for the last ten years, and when people actually see their pichecks, i think they're going to be very happy. and i think republicans did a good thing for the country but also a politically smart thing. >> middle class folks i speak to are not happy about. >> $50 more in their paycheck,
please. when we come back the senate voting and a bill the president is expected to sign tomorrow even though it is as we've been saying, wildly unpopular with voters. so will those voters be feeling the pain in less than a year when the mid-terms roll around, and what will that mean for the gop? we're going to discuss that coming up.
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here's our breaking news. the senate voting any minute now on the gop tax bill. there's the senate floor right there. the house will have to revote tomorrow over some technical issues, but the bill is still expected to land on the president's desk tomorrow. and of course he's going to sign it, a major accomplishment, but a bill that is widely unpopular with the american popular. and with it the mid-terms less than a year away that could be big for the president and his party. political analyst april ryan and i invited two guests on for the conversation and a fight broke out in the last block. good evening, to both of you. this revote in the house, it may not impact the income of the bill, but does it speak to how hastily it was put together? >> craw, we haven't had
meaningful tax reform in 30 years within congress, and the reason it's incredibly complicated and not something that can be done overnight. but basically what we saw with the republican led congress with president trump from start to finish it was within several weeks. people wanted to know why did this get done so quickly. the most important reason is president trump needed a major legislative win in the calendar year of 2017 so it didn't go down in the history books of him making a lot of promises at the outset of this administration and not being able to fulfill them. in this case he has fulfilled one. >> that is what this is all about. there's no two ways about it. the president needed a win in 2017. this is the only time they could get it done. they pushed it through even though the american people don't like it. that's the bottom line. april, the polls show 55% of the people oppose this plan. it also shows 66% say the bill
benefits the wealthy more than the middle class. that view is supported by two nonpartisan government analysis. how is passing something that is overwhelmingly unpopular with the american people good politics for this white house? >> you know, the optics are not pretty. it's a win at what cost? like mark said, you know, within seven weeks. and we saw what happened prior to with other bills. you know, trying to repeal and replace aca, it just didn't cut the mustard because it was costly. and at what cost, that's the issue. when you look at this, the individual tax breaks are only going to be in effect until 2025. those are the issues people are not talking about. and there is also a fear factor. you know, the corporations have permanent tax cuts but individuals don't. and the fear factor is there. this is one of the reasons why it's so onpopular because of the
past "the list"ry within this last year, of this administration of the republican party ramming through things that leave regular people out, that hurt the least of these. and the fear is at what cost? you know, what's the pay for? you hear elizabeth warren screaming this is government for sale at the cost of $1.5 trillion many corporations and at the least of the american people, trickle down economics has shown it has not worked in the paris. where companies are given these tax breaks and it goes to luxury items versus going to that worker in that company. so the delvil's in the details. don, i remember listening to history and at the time george h.w. bush said read my lips and the taxes. >> she mentioned elizabeth warren and steven moore was on last segment saying he doesn't
understand why the liberals don't like it. it's just not liberals. many had to wrangle back and forth. i think there were 12 republicans who voted no in this in the house. they represent mostly suburban districts that democrats are targeting in 2018. how big of a factor do you think this could be you think for the mid-terms? >> well, is of the 12 people, you're right, 11 come from states that hillary clinton won in the last election. and the reason why they voted against it, these 11 members is because it's going to hurt their constituents. we can go back and forth about the definition of middle class. but it's different depending on the geographic region you live in. the 12, walter jones of north carolina didn't agree with the ballooning deficit. directly to your question, will this have an impact on
elections? absolutely. there's no question about it. if you talk to republicans today, they would say, listen, we know the polls aren't good today, but we're hoping this will help boost the economy as we go into 2018. right now the win is at the democrat's back right now, specifically in the house of repatives. 25 states now to take over that chamber, don, and this will become an issue amongst probably many other issues in 2018. >> as you can see we're looking at live pictures now from the senate floor. they're expected to vote on this tax bill any moment now. the house voted on it today. they got to redo it because of some technical issues, but it is expected to go through. it is expected to be on the president's desk at the end of the week. april, despite the tax bill when, here's what the new poll shows, the new rating sinking to as low as 5%. >> while the president and this administration has been very
focused on how we can better help the american people, i think oftentimes the media is focused on other things, certainly not talking about the growingchy, certainly not talking about the crush s of isis, not talking about the creation of jobs. and if people were focused a lot on those things in the media i think his numbers would be a lot higher. >> as someone who covers the white house every day, how do you respond to the charge this is the media's fault? it's always the media's fault. >> it is. you have to remember polls are taken by the american public who feels or sees the tweets, who watches the press briefings, who listen tuesday the president. and, you know, you have to remember a poll is a straw hold view of that moment in time. and really for the last couple of weeks it's been a straw hold view between 32% and 35% depending upon the polling group. at the same time, if we look at the poll numbers at this time for other presidents this
president is at the lowest mark of any other president. and it's not the media. we are reporting on what he is doing. you have to remember, fact versus opinion. you have a lot of people that are speaking opinion, but when there is fact there is fact that this president is in the midst of possibly going to war with north korea. you have to think about the fact that, yes, the economy is going well, but is that about the residue that's left from the obama administration? there's so many different factors. you know, they can paint a picture or spin it one way but the facts are facts no matter how they bear out or how you say it looks. facts are facts. >> thank you ayou both. i appreciate it. when we come back, the political world has been turned upside down this year. in our new bizarrer world rugs are friends, republicans don't care about deficits and democrats are the party of family values. what is going on here? frank broony help.
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politics upside down and helping to reverse the traditional rolls of the two major parties. the gop long viewed as fiscally conservative passing a massive tax cut. and democrats now the party of family values after republicans supported roy moore, an accused child molester. here to discuss cnn contributor frank bruni and op-ed columnist for "the new york times" whose new collin is titled democrats are the new republicans. what happened? everything is flipped occupyicide down now. >> i think it's been flipped for a while, but donald trump has just accelerated it. the very elements of their brand, family values, fiscal discipline, national security, patriotism, you can make a very per suasive argument that oall
those scores democrats make a better argument than republicans do because of the influence of donald trump. >> the senate is about to vote on this new tax bill now. in your new article -- there's live pictures of the floor now. republicans are smashing the pillars of their brand. the pillar is fiscal responsibility and now republicans on the brink of passing this new tax bill. it's going to run up the deficit and increases it by $1.5 trillion over ten years. so for years republicans were dead set against deficits. now they're for them? >> well, no, i mean there's a lot going on here. you're right they're the party that used to fantasize the budget. they are now saddling future generations with an even more enormous debt than was already there and the exact kind of debt they've been railing against for decades. of course they're setting the stage to say, whoa, now we have
to cut spending. so this is more complicated than just this piece of legislation right now. this is prelude for the discussion because of the riding debts, because we can no longer afford to spend at the medicare rates and social security rates we've been spending, this is a process. >> permanent tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy. what does it say about -- >> this says they're thinking about 2018 and not 2028. we're all saying and we're being a little bit dumb here what the republican party is. we're all saying it's a massive disaster, how could they be doing this. if you look at the politics next year, a majority of americans do get a tax cut next year. and yes democrats will be talking rightly about where those tax cuts are going proportionately, the fact the rich are getting bigger tax cuts than the middle class. but the people of the middle class by and large are going to
see a tax cut before they go to the polls in november. as they're calculating taxes, as they're doing estimated taxes, they're going to have a sense that they're taxes have gone down. and they may decide that they like that. that's what republicans are betting on. and it's not the most foolish bet in the world. >> listen, another area where i guess this president has turned upside under president trump used to be known as a law and order party. republicans now discrediting the mueller and the fbi. this is what president trump tweeted earlier this month. he said after years of comey with the phony and dishonest clinton investigation and moore running the fbi, its reputation is in tatters, worst in history. but fear not we will bring it back to greatness. why are republicans in congress and the media, why are they turning -- seem to be turning on law enforcement and really the institutions, many institutions in our government, institutions that have made america for lack
of a better term so great? >> they're turning as a way to inoculate donald trump. a lot of those institutions are doing things that do not flatter this president, that put people around this president in jeopardy. and the way you prepare for that, the way you sort of do advance damage control is to delegitimize those institutions. republicans used to be the care takers of traditions. these institutions are traditions. the free press is a tradition, and the republican party is now opposed and attacking all that leaving the democrats to be the care takers of tradition, which tormented correctly is a good thing. >> let's talk about russia because this president has been very complimentary of russia and vladimir putin. a pew poll earlier this year shows republicans expressing confidence in putin has doubled. what do you think of that? i mean, russia?
>> russia, this is another way in which the world is upside down. yeah, you say russia like that because we all grew up with this history and they weren't just a rival. they were a great global nemesis. they were a great threat when they were the soviet union. and when donald trump is playing kissy face with putin and russia, i don't know how they say it's a party of patriotism. russia tried to medal in the outcome of ow lecks, tried to take our destiny from us. what is more patriotic than saying we must control our own destiny? you cannot be patriotic and be as cavalier about russian election interference and be as resistant to an investigation to get to the bottom of it as donald trump and many have been. >> my initial thought is clearly you can't be that naive, mr. president. you can see vladimir putin and russia coming from -- you can see it from your home. you know what i mean, come on. >> well, you can be that
convenient and selective in your reading. one thing we've learned about donald trump above all others, he is susceptible to flattery. vladimir putin has noticed that and worked on that. and he's resistant to any kind of criticism. so i think the russian president is playing that. >> he likes flattery. >> oh, yes, why are we reading about this gorsuch story i know you'll be talking about next? >> you're doing such a great job, mr. president, come on this show and answer some questions. >> he's love us. >> thank you, appreciate it. when we come back, if there's one thing this president demands it is loyalty. but it seems he is not as quick to give it as he is to demand it. is loyalty a one-way street with president trump? nacho? [ train whistle blows ] what?! -stop it! -mm-hmm. we've been saving a lot of money ever since we
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the president pushing back on a report that he considered scrapping neil gorsuch's nomination to the supreme court after gorsuch's criticide his attacks on judges. with "the washington post" standing by its story, trump thought gorsuch wasn't being loyal enough. let's talk about this with the author of "the truth about trump" and andre bower. good evening to both of you. the president has said he called the fake news, he doesn't believe it. but the post is citing 11 sources here even the director mark short acknowledges the president had been frustrated. michael, you say the president can't tolerates expects loyalty -- >> if you oppose him he knows where you stand.
he's treated shuck schumer and nancy pelosi roughly at times but well at other times. i think if you back the president and show any sense of independence, he'll interpret that as disloyalty, and you wind up sideways with him when you're really trying to support his agenda. now in the case of justice gorsuch, it's not his job to support the president's agenda. it wasn't his job to support it president's agenda when he was confirmed. so this is a classic example of why this president is so hard to work for. >> you stole my question for andre. is a supreme court justice supposed to be loyal and grateful to the president who appointed him or to the constitution? >> he's supposed to be thankful for the job, but as for that, absolutely not. he's supposed to answer to the constitution, and of course this is absolutely speculation because no one's putting out their name and saying that.
but i will say this, don, he's hired people that aren't always loyal to him. so he's brought people into the fold that actually weren't loyal to him at all. >> i think what ondrai said about nikkei haley especially is very interesting. here's a woman who i think has likely dissented from the president's policies at times. i know she's aligned with secretary of state tillerson. but she's done it in a way that's somehow allowed her to escape criticism. and there must be be a model she's setting that everyone else should adopt to express to this president. >> she's very bright and very smart. >> and also powerful on her own. >> we do know with the president loyalty is huge factor for this president. he told us so plenty of times. >> we could use some more
loyalty. i love loyalty. loyalty can be a wonderful thing. loyalty is very important. i'm loyal. to a fault i'm loyal. i'm a loyal person. i'm loyal. some of these people have like a 10% loyalty, meaning if they sneeze in the wrong direction they're gone. >> you say the president imagines himself a captain of his team. but is loyalty a one-way street with him? because some people who are loyal to him he's like good-bye. >> yeah, it's a very difficult thing. you have to anticipate what loyalty means today but also what it might mean tomorrow. and you have to sort of be inside his head. this is big problem for people who have their own strengths, have their own intelligence. we discussed nikkei haley. somehow she's done something right. this idea that people sometimes cater to him and baby him and don't tell him the truth is one thing that i worry about. >> i think a part of that, nikkei haley, is that she's
often away from the president and doing things on her own. she doesn't have to be enclose proximity to him. and i think that is very helpful to her in the position she holds. here's part of the former fbi director jam comey's testimony where he talks of the president approaching him to take a loyalty pledge. listen to this. >> the dinner was an effort to build a relationship, in fact he asked specifically of loyalty in the context of asking me to stay. as i said what was odd about that we'd already talked twice about it at that point, and he'd said i very much hope you'll stay, i hope you'll stay. i got the sense my job would be contingent upon how he felt -- excuse me, how he felt i conducted myself and whether i demonstrated loyalty. >> so aundre, as i said, some people who are are loyal to him, he gets rid of them. james comey, attorney general jeff sessions, deputy attorney
general rob rosenstein. all three worked for federal law enforcement. their loyalty is to the law. does this show president trump misunderstands his role here? >> when comey had a problem with this, he was the most powerful arguably law enforcement officer in the world. he should have looked right back at the president and said let me get this clear what you're asking, mr. president, if in fact he had this concern. but this concern only came about after he was no longer employed. he didn't express that until after the president got rid of him. arguably, i don't think comey is the best one to use in that. but all great leaders need people around them. when you're leader of the free world you need people you can trust, and carry your message, not the message they have. it could be a government bureaucrat or somebody you chose to try to help you, if they start coming in andpetting in what they think is important over what you think is important
that circumvents the whole electoral process to carry through their agenda not their underlongs. >> it sounds like you're confusing the process and how things are done, right? the chain of command with loyalty. >> loyalty is a cheap value. loyalty is below fealty to our constitution. it's below support for what makes our country great and what makes it work. >> andre, what did you want to say? >> if you're violating the constitution that would be vastly different, but if you're surrounding yourself with people to try to pass your agenda and i they are undermining that, they creates a real problem in leadership. >> i don't know if that's what loyalty means. >> you know what, your own guy is tackling you if you're the quarterback, i know goe for that. but for the most part we need people who are loyal mainly to
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this is a sign of the times we live in, with all of the news of the russian investigation, the g.o.p. tax cut this incredible story almost got over looked a pentagon program learning about ufos with compelling evidence we may not be alone. let's go on the record. great to see you again. >> great to be with you. >> you did the show five years ago and reminding me of ufos. >> so happy to be coming back on with you. this is about advanced aerosp e aerospace -- this is video of military jets encountering unknown object released by this
program. what's happening here? >> whatsoever fascinating the object in the center hovered for a few minutes and zoomed to the left very fast. this is a fair distance away. it's going very fast. we don't have technology that can hover in one spot and suddenly go off to a right angle especially with no wings or propeller. >> we don't want to turn this in twilight zone but what could that object be? >> that's what they're trying to figure out. not so much where they are from but trying to figure out how they behave what are consistent characteristics that repeat themselves and how do we explain what they do. we don't have the data to answer those questions. >> are we talking, let's be honest, i know you hate going
there little green men? >> we're not talking little green men we're talking about physical objects in the sky with capabilities we can't explain called beyond next generation technology. >> all right. so u.s. navy pilot witnessed this and thought it was another world. >> first it had no wings so you think it's a helicopter, well there's no water wash there's no rotors when held couldnicopters they are slow this was abrupt like a ping pong ball, could change directions at will and ability to start over the water climb over 2,000 feet and accelerate and disappear is something i've never seen in my life. >> an experienced pilot had never seen anything that could
move like ha previous significant. you say not green men is it maybe a spy craft from another country more advanced then we are. >> they have observed enough they have colleagues in other countries because they have drawn the conclusion. so advanced from what they've learned this goes back to the 50s and 60s what they were doing now what kind of technology did we have then? nothing close to what we have now. it's a mystery that needs further funding and investigation and governments need to take it seriously and by the way other governments do take it more seriously we do we
need to catch up. >> this program ended in 2012 but former pentagon military intelligence officer was part of the program. government funding ended in 2012 and you say the backer's claim is still operating what can you tell united states about the stat tell us about the status of the program. >> before 2012 they could hire contractors and accomplished pay lot. when the funding dried up the officials inside the program continued to doing what they were doing investigating cases brought to them so as far as they're concerned the program continued and many people have reported it to us, people on the record and we've seen documents that show that's the case. that it's continued. >> you are investigative journal do you think there's life out there. >> i think a lot of people would
believe there's life out there. whether it's come to this planet is another question and i don't know for sure. it's a valid hype theta is for what we're observing but as a journalist i can't speculate things i can't prove so i don't know. >> i don't think anybody believes we're the only one but the question is if we're not they're so far away how could they ever get here is the big mystery. >> we got to mars. >> we have maybe civilizations way ahead of us millions of years whatever, so, what we need to do right now is examine what we have in front of us and stop run ago way from it. >> fascinating. thank you. we will come back, the senate about to vote any moment on the g.o.p. tax bill. live to the capitol for the latest.
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