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so you don't miss your favorite show. and with just a single word, find all the answers you're looking for - because getting what you need should be simple, fast, and easy. download the xfinity my account app or go online today. good evening. tonight keeping him honest on immigration, the border wall and how the white house was reportedly directing what steve bannon did and did not answer in front of congress. at the very moment when reaching a deal on immigration could determine whether the entire government shuts down, president trump's own chief of staff john kelly speaks out on candidate trump's central campaign promise to build a wall on the southern border and what he said may not surprise you, but the fact that he said it will. candidate trump's pledge on the wall was uninformed. we are joined tonight by one of many lawmakers who were actually in the room when kelly said
that. there is also breaking news in the russia investigation. more new reporting on something steve bannon reportedly let slip to the house intelligence committee and what went on inside that hearing room. we begin though tonight keeping him honest with immigration and a possible government shutdown. >> mr. president, if there is a government shutdown, whose fault would it be? >> we're working on it. we're working on it. >> the president late today on capitol hill leaving an awards ceremony for retired senator bob dole saying we're working on it, earlier today, though, his press secretary seemed to be working on something else. namely, who gets the blame if the government shuts down. >> the president certainly doesn't want to shut down. if one happens, i think you only have one place to look and that's to the democrats who are holding our military and our national security hostage by trying to push through other policies that have nothing to do with the budget. >> the policies she's talking about is the one protecting so-called dreamers as part of a
budget deal to keep the lights on, which is true. it also is true that republicans control the house and senate and they simply try to pass legislation minus any language on daca or anything else funding the government for another month or so. in any case, though, sarah huckabee sanders's attempt to shift blame begins to come unglued when you look at who is on record about what she is about to blame democrats for. i quote, republican senators in 2018 change the rules now to 51%. our country needs a good shutdown in september to fix mess. that is the president back in may, and here is sarah sanders being confronted with that today. >> he just said the president certainly doesn't want to shut down. last year he tweeted a shutdown would be a good thing. so -- >> he said politics. look, it's never been a preference of this administration. it wasn't then, it isn't now. and, again, if that does happen, the blame, the fault will all lie at one place because we would like to see a budget deal
happen. >> sarah sanders saying what the president meant back then was that a shutdown would be good politics. that's not what he said, though. again, in may, quote, our country needs a good shutdown. the country needs it. and now, according to sanders, that's not what he meant at all. >> it's never been a preference of this administration. it was president then, it isn't now. and, again, if that does happen, the blame, the fault will all lie at one place because we would like to see a budget deal happen. >> so, those two positions, wanting a shutdown, never wanting one are obviously at odds with one another. it's not so strange in a way. today and in recent weekends we've seen evidence the president is not clear or has not made clear what he really wants in the way of a deal on immigration. as you know, just last week in the space of a minute or two he told a bipartisan group of lawmakers that he favored the democratic version of immigration reform, then he greed agreed to a harder line republican provision. he later hosted the authors of a bipartisan immigration
compromise then somehow allowed a group of hard line lawmakers show up and talk him out of a compromise. he sent mixed signals as well about the kind of wall he wants. whether it should span the entire border or not, whether mexico will pay for it or not. and late today the senate's top republican clearly a frustrated man called him out on it. >> i'm looking for something that president trump supports, and he's not yet indicated what measure he's willing to sign. as soon as we figure out what he is for, then i would be convinced that we were not just spinning our wheels going to this issue on the floor, but actually dealing with a bill that has a chance to become law and, therefore, solve the problem. >> as soon as we figure out what he's for, he said. a quote from the senate majority leader. if you believe sarah sanders today, he does know who he wants to blame which is also pretty rich when you listen to what her boss, the president, said about an immigration deal just last week. >> i'll take all the heat you want to give me and i'll take
the heat off both the democrats and the republicans. my whole life has been heat. i like heat in a certain way. but i will. i mean, you are somewhat more traditional politicians than me. 2 1/2 years ago i was never thinking in terms of politics. now i'm a politician. you people have doing it many of you all your life. i'll take all the heat you want but you are not that far away from comprehensive immigration reform. >> i'll take the heat he says. now according to sanders the president and the white house, they are already out of the kitchen. joining us now is cnn's phil mattingly with the latest on the blame game and rather stunning admission made by chief of staff kelly that candidate trump was uninformed about the wall and over promised a bill as a candidate. so, what's the reaction there on capital hill about this, phil? >> anderson, i think it is important to consider the context as much as you do the content. where this meeting was actually taking place and who it's taking place with, chief of staff john kelly has had not a great relationship with the congressional hispanic caucus to say the least. this goes back to when he was secretary of homeland security,
kelly, some heated meetings, heated discussions. on the issue itself specifically, the wall, the congressional hispanic caucus finds this the most divisive issue he talked about throughout the campaign, the issues he's focused on. this was a severely problematic issue in the caucus. john kelly said this was something he was uninformed when he wanted a wall that expanded border to border, they found it obviously interesting but also something worth noting, anderson, as you pointed out, underscores the reality on the capitol hill. what the president wants in any potential daca resolution, any potential daca deal is up for debate. nobody has an idea, how big does the wall have to be, a system, technology, is it barriers. move away from the wall. what he wants on family migration, what he wants on visa lotteries. all of these issues, anderson, are very up in the air. it is what's complicating everything on capitol hill. >> and how much closer is congress to making a deal? >> reporter: in terms of daca, they're not close at all.
i think just to state plainly. now there is a gang of 6 bill out there, bipartisan bill the president summarily rejected, there is a bipartisan proposal in the house. got its first mention in the senate floor today. that hasn't necessarily picked up a lot of steam at least with the top leaders. i think people 8 are wondering if perhaps that could come fought forefront. the reality here is this. so long as the president doesn't get behind something, republican leaders aren't going to get behind something. anderson, republican leaders don't get behind something, particularly when they're saying they don't feel like the deadline is there, they don't feel like there is urgency there, there is no question the pathway forward for a daca resolution as it currently stands is nonexistent. >> phil mattingly, appreciate the reporting. more now on chief of staff meeting with the caucus, democratic congressman luis gu tear i teares. thank you for being with us. can you explain what he said about his positions as a candidate particularly regarding the wall, did he use the wall
uninformed? >> here's how i remember it, anderson. he was talking, he said, you know, the president promised the wall 50 feet high from sea to shining sea. that's not going to happen. he said -- he stopped talking about wall and started calling it barrier. in some places, the barrier would be -- in fact, it's so inhospitable no one would come through there. that's the wall. some places it would be a drone, some places a border security agent. some places a concrete wall. he said think about it as barrier. this is what i think the most telling thing is. he shared with us that -- he said the president made promises during the campaign about the wall, and those promises were not informed promises. and that he as -- the chief of staff and former head of d.h.s., has educated the president and informed the president and his position now have evolved
because he says, look, i told the president, i talked to governors and i've talked to congress people and i've talked to mayors and we just cannot build this concrete wall. and so -- and that was just as clear. that was in response to a question we asked, can you please tell us what you mean by a wall? because intuitively, we thought that was something that was still not exactly clear. >> it's been reported that kelly also said he was optimistic about congress getting a daca deal done. did he give you any time line? did you get any sense that the white house is open to including a daca solution in this short term spending bill? >> anderson, here's what i think. i think -- here's what he did say. he said, the dreamers can stay. that's done. permanent residency, citizenship, they're not going anywhere. and he repeated that three times in a very unequivocal terms. but then just as quickly he said, we need a wall.
we need billions of dollars for a wall. we need you to end what he calls chain migration, which everybody in the room felt very offended by that term. he says, we need to end chain migration, which is family-based visas. that's where you unite. that's where, i don't know, i show up and i say, you know what? i'd really like my dads because that would be a good thing for me to have as an immigrant. i want my brothers and my wife and children so we can build a family. i shared with him that i found it extraordinary that the president would say that since he inherited the business from his dad. and he has the business and his children are going to inherit. the trump family has made family-based decisions on their business and that's what immigrants want, right? we come and we bring our parents and we create businesses and opportunities. and i thought for a moment, wow, he said, i believe in married-based immigration. and i said to myself, does he understand that he's talking to
25 members of congress, almost all of them are here because their moms and dads came here, low-skilled jobs and now we're members of congress and our kids are going to college? and i expect my grandson to be a neurosurgeon one day. that's the way america is truly built. >> is there any way you could vote yes on a short-term spending bill that doesn't have a permanent solution for daca recipients? >> no. anderson, look, every day -- and i'm happy you asked that question because a lot of times we get into the, how would i say, the making of the bill and we forgot who we're fighting for. here's one of the things secretary kelly told us. i'm sorry, chief of staff kelly told us. he said, he said, that graham and durbin working together, that's not bipartisan. i need you to go and work with cotton and perdue and those people who don't believe in immigration. and i thought to myself, well, that's not going to lead to
anywhere. that's like saying, luis, why don't you go and fight for reproductive rights and why don't you join republicans who believe that a woman doesn't have a right to abortion even if the case of rain and incest, and come back with a compromise? you know what you're going to get? absolutely nothing and stalemate. and so that's what he's talking about. so, i think it speaks to the naivete and how just uninformed chief of staff kelly is. if you really want to reach an agreement between people who believe in immigration and believe the system should be reformed and improved, and those who want to shutdown immigration forever in this country, you're never going to reach a solution. so, i would hope that chief of staff kelly would see that that was a general proposal durbin and graham, that's bipartisan ship. that's democrats and republicans putting the country ahead of party. indeed that is bipartisan and it's what we need to applaud. >> congressman gutierrez,
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meaner the president hasn't shifted all that much since his campaign promises. he wants a wall, be it a shorter one or maybe not going to call it a wall. does that mean he still holds uninformed positions in general kelly's eyes? >> apparently in general kelly's eyes. he would know best. he was secretary of homeland security before he became the white house chief of staff. it is sort of news from nowhere. the american people, through the electoral college through the help of mr. putin and mr. comey, selected this man. he's our first president in american history with no prior experience in the government or military. i think it's understandable in a sense he doesn't really know. he's been in there a year, he should know now, because this was his signature promise. we will build a wall and we'll make mexico pay for it. well, we're not going to build a wall and mexico is not going to pay for it. whatever happens, the american taxpayers are going to have to pay for it. this is i think -- it's why he's down to 38%. he only had 46% when he won the election, he's down to 38%.
a whole lot of trump voters who stood with him through all those travails of the campaign, they've quit on him now and maybe one of the reasons is they don't like being lied to. >> jack, you awere at the capitl today. we got a picture of that he apparently told you he liked your defense of him on the network, a network he never watches, by the way. that's neither here nor there. what do you make of this, kelly's comments? there were plenty of the republicans on the stage during those debates who said, you know, who disagreed with the president on this idea of his vision of the wall. >> well, i think that paul will recall that there are a lot of presidents who make promises that they can't deliver on, but they get high marks for trying. for example, barack obama trying to close down dwguantanamo bay. he ended up having a lot of impact on it but he never closed it which was his campaign promise. however, he got credit for those who wanted to close it for trying, and i think that one thing that if you talk to the base republicans, the dip in his popularity has nothing to do
with the wall not being built. at least that's not the direct issue right now. i think the president is trying. you can tell how difficult it is when you just saw luis gutierrez saying that lindsey graham and dick durbin is bipartisan, but working with tom cotton is not. that doesn't make sense, but it shows how difficult and how high the emotions are when we're dealing with immigration. >> paul, i mean, to jack's point, i mean, president trump would not be the first president to, you know, realize a campaign promise is harder fulfilled than he'd imagine. >> absolutely. he makes a great point. the late great mario cuomo, we campaign in poetry, we govern in prose. but this wasn't an ancillary -- not barack obama saying i'm going to close down guantanamo. this is the central promise of his campaign. by the way, it's not all that popular. it is with the trump base, it is, and we love the trump dais base. you know what's even more popular with the trump base?
regularizing the status of the dreamers. jeffrey, a democratic polster whose quality control standards are highest as anybody in the business just finished a poll. he surveyed 12 battle ground states, ten of which trumpcare i had. this is not exactly blue america. and among trump voters, 68% of trump voters want to regular ize the status of the dreamers, welcome them in america and make them residents. his base which he says he's all about, cut the deal with the democrats, let these americans who they are, morally americans, let them stay and live the american dream. >> but i think, though, paul, when you ask that question somewhat in a vacuum, do you want to legalize a small child who came here through no fault of his own many years ago and grew up in america, i'd say, yeah, in fact, i'd say it's 95% people want to do something about that. but when you ask people the big
question of we have a million legal immigrants to america a year. 15% are skilled-based, 16% are simply because of family. what do you want to do about that when you start talking about visa lottery? 50,000 random people who just happened to win a lottery, who, because of chain migration, account for another 165,000 a year. and then when you start just looking at the job displacement of americans and driving the wage rate down, the competition for entry level jobs, i think there's a lot more to the immigration question than that paul would reveal. i think that's why the president is having these issues with -- dealing with -- >> it's not -- >> let him respond quickly then we have to go. >> he doesn't know what the hell he's doing, jack. it's earn -- >> excuse me, i did not interrupt you. the president could easily help almost 700,000 people who deserve to stay here and that all americans want to stay here, and get a political win.
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we're learning tonight that the white house is working behind the scenes to limit testimony to congressional investigators looking into russian meddling in the 2016 election. that clarifies what went on in the hearing where steve bannon invoked executive privilege rather than answer questions about president trump and the russia investigation. bannon has agreed to be interviewed by special council robert mueller. we're going to talk with congressman eric swalwell in just a bit. gloria borger joins us with details on what she has been learning. what have you found out about exactly what went on in the hearing with bannon yesterday? >> can you imagine the committee finally gets steve bannon after michael wolff's book for which bannon was a major source, and called donald trump jr.'s meeting in trump tower treasonous. you know, they finally get him behind closed doors, anderson, and they want to ask him about what happened during the transition and during his time inside the white house. and instead they are met with, i
can't answer this question. i'd like to answer this question, i really can't answer this question. and what they find is that his lawyer, during breaks, is conferring with the white house counsel's office to figure out whether answers to some of these questions would be in violation of potential executive privilege. and so it got pretty heated. >> the white house says it's cooperating with all of these investigations. >> right. >> so, why are they trying to limit what former staffers can say to congress? >> well, you know, from the white house point of view, they're just following a precedent which says that if anybody is going to decide what's privileged and not privileged, it's the president of the united states. and it's not congress and it's not a former staffer. and what they've determined is that all post election conversations, activities, et cetera, that includes the transition and inside the white house should be off limits right now. and the democrats say, look, this is ridiculous.
you're trying to muzzle people. you're trying to keep us from getting to the truth and even tray gowdy, a republican, said, you know, this is no one's definition of privilege. so, on both sides of congress there is a little bit of consternation about t. >> there is a reporting in axios steve bannon slipped up and admitted he had conversations with top white house advisors about the trump junior meeting in trump tower. >> right. so, he did slip up. talk about a meeting, and according to axios, members were saying, well, if you talked about that meeting, why can't you talk about other meetings? and they were upset about it. now, obviously when he talked to the special counsel he's going to have to talk about these meetings because it's a criminal investigation. >> yeah. gloria, thanks very much. a lot to sort through. the perfect person to ask is congressman eric swalwell where steve bannon appeared in the marathon session yesterday. i spoke with him just before air time. congressman swalwell, steve bannon has agreed to cooperate
with mueller's investigation. but is stonewalling your committee. did you get any kind of explanation as to why he'll talk freely to mueller but not to your committee? >> no, anderson. actually, it doesn't make a lot of sense. and it also doesn't flow legally that he would be willing to talk to bob mueller, but under subpoena to congress, that he would not answer any of our questions. also, the white house has been quite inconsistent, that they are asserting the privilege for not only steve bannon's time at the white house, but any time after the campaign, during the transition, as well as even when he had left the white house. and so it appears that there is something they don't want steve bannon to tell us. >> and you have no doubt this is being orchestrated by the white house, that steve bannon, his attorneys are consulting with the white house on all of this. >> we were told by steve bannon's attorneys that they were on the phone as we were meeting in the intelligence committee with the white house.
and their instructions from the white house was that mr. bannon could not talk about anything that happened during the transition, while he was at the white house, or even recent conversations he's had with the president. >> i mean, sarah sanders, should be pointed out, also confirmed bannon's lawyer was relaying the committee's questions via phone to the white house. the same process that is typically followed. is that the same process typically followed, is that normal? >> i hope he was not doing that, anderson, because that would be an effort to read in the white house a committee's sensitive investigation. the white house has a right to, you know, put parameters on -- in place for any time that steve bannon was at the white house, but they cannot really -- they should not know what we are asking mr. bannon with respect to the campaign. >> sanders also characterized bannon citing executive privilege as the white house following a practice that's gone back decades. has any other administration tried to exert executive privilege for anything that's happened during the transition? >> no, to my knowledge that's
never happened in history. it's happening right now with mr. bannon. it also is not supported by any case law or any statute. and so, again, we believe this is the white house in its most aggressive way yet trying to obstruct our investigation. >> tray gowdy said he's been told bannon is coming back tomorrow. can you confirm that? and do you think he should be held in contempt of congress if he continues to refuse to cooperate? >> i hope when he does come back that -- and we are hoping that's soon, that the white house will clear the way. the president said after all that he wants to fully cooperate. and so they should allow him to testify without any parameters on his testimony. but that has to be sorted out sooner rather than later and that's a decision by the white house. otherwise, he should be held in contempt and a judge should decide if he has to testify. >> finally, senior white house staffer dear born from trump campaign manager corey lewandowski, they testified in front of your committee today. did either of them invoke executive privilege the way bannon did? >> anderson, i can tell you a executive branch, senior level executive branch member
testified today and was asked about questions during the campaign, the transition, and this person's time at the white house. and even told us that he was under no instructions to invoke executive privilege, which shows that the white house is now selectively picking who can tell us what. now, corey lewandowski is, as we speak, on a break right now for votes. corey lewandowski is continuing to refuse to answer any questions after the campaign. so, this is an effort by the white house, corey lewandowski told us he spoke to the president as recently as last night, but won't go into anything that was said after he left the campaign. >> congressman swalwell, appreciate it. thank you. >> my pleasure. >> one quick correction. introducing gloria borger, i mistakenly called congressman swalwell the committee chairman. he is in fact a member of the republican devin nunez is the chair of the committee. republican ranking is adam schiff. perhaps not surprisingly,
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white house chief of staff john kelly tonight told fox news the white house never told former key aide steve bannon to invoke executive privilege before congress. >> former white house chief strategist steve bannon testified yesterday, didn't answer a lot of questions, refused to answer some before the house intel committee. did the white house tell him to
invoke executive privilege? >> no. >> no? >> no. steve has had very, very little contact with the white house since he left. i know steve a little bit, not very well. he was -- he left the white house in his head. he certainly never returned to the white house. and with the exception of a few phone calls here and there, had very, very little contact with the white house. and i certainly have never spoke to him since he left. >> so, that's a bit odd because white house press secretary sarah sanders is taking a seemingly opposite tact saying any such testimony by bannon is being cleared through a long detailed process. >> this white house is following the same practice that many white houses before us have that have gone back decades, that there is a process that you go through. any time you have congressional inquiries touching upon white house, the congress should consult with the white house prior to obtaining confidential
material. this is part of a judicial recognized process. and it's not just isolated to this instance. executive privilege is something that goes back decades because it's something that needs to be protected. >> so, seems like mixed messages there. smart minds are here to help clarify. joining me tonight cnn contributor former nixon contributor john dean. white house correspondent senior political analyst maggie haber man. this seems confusing. is kelly parsing words, they didn't tell bannon, but maybe bannon's attorney? >> that's my understanding. to be clear, what we have had coming out of both the white house and reports about what actually happened and what was relayed during this committee hearing has all been very muddled. i think sarah sanders words most closely represent what this white house views its position as, whether that is acceptable or not, whether it is acceptable for topics to be cleared through the white house as we were later
told steve bannon's lawyer is in open question. the other question to remember is bannon's lawyer represents two other people who are witnesses in this probe. one is reince priebus and one is don mcgahn, the white house counsel. so, i don't know that there is an actual conflict, but certainly it is an appearance issue that a lot of people have raised the question about. >> so, maggie, just to clarify, do you think kelly does not know they are in contact with the attorney for bannon and it seems like a lot of contact -- >> i think kelly knows and i suspect that he is parsing his language. to make it steve bannon specific. >> maggie, or john, the actual reporting of bannon's slip up, it connects the trump tower meeting to at least one conversation with other members of the president's inner circle. i'm wondering how significant you think that might be. >> well, it could be considered one thing, a waiver of the privilege. you can't partially invoke executive privilege. more importantly, he doesn't really have a privilege to
invoke at all. >> he doesn't? >> the president can't enforce -- no, he does not. if he wanted to talk, he could talk. for example, i assure you nixon didn't want me testifying and would have invoked executive privilege if he thought it would do any good. it wouldn't do any good because i was going to testify. there is no injunction to stop a witness from testifying that i've ever heard of. so, bannon could testify and he's obviously -- just doesn't want to testify or is playing to the white house with this to try to hint that he's got something that they want to consider him saying or not saying. >> maggie, do you agree? >> i completely agree. i think the latter strategy is a piece of this. it is an important point that bannon is not constrained by the privilege that he appeared to have been citing and certainly with that slip up raised a different set of questions about what exactly it's applying to. but i do think that bannon is trying to send the white house a signal.
whether it is a signal about he might have something and they should be mindful, or that he is being, quote-unquote, loyal which i think is a message some of his folks started putting out word that he was attempting to do. either way i think this is some sort of virtue signaling toward the trump administration. >> john dean, given your own experience, i wonder what advice you would give to steve bannon tonight. >> well, i think tell the truth when he does talk is the first thing. secondly, sooner or later he could be forced to testify in the congressional setting. it's very obtuse and difficult to force a witness to actually testify, so that can take a long time, particularly when the department of justice is controlled by the same party of the witness. so, that's not likely to happen. but it's going to be a different ball game in front of a grand jury if he ever gets there or even in his informal discussions with mueller. >> maggie, it's interesting because we just talked to congressman swalwell, somebody else testified today who he didn't name, but the white house didn't -- that person answered questions and the white house
apparently didn't invoke any kind of executive privilege. so, it does seem it's being done, congressman swalwell raised the idea it is being done selectively. >> i think that's a legitimate assumption. i think, look, steve bannon -- there are certain people who they were concerned about and certain people who they were not. among the small group of people who knew about a number of decisions were reince priebus. steve bannon was aware of some, not all. jared kushner, ivanka trump, hope hicks. bannon had tertiary, secondary knowledge about a number of key aspects of the mueller probe, most notably the firing of james comey. when the decision was made he was not in the room. the statement about don junior with the russian lawyer was worked out aboard air force one which was a key area for mueller. bannon does not have direct knowledge of either of those issues, but he does have direct knowledge of other things. the reason that slip is so rnt to or part of the reason that
slip is so important he made according to axios about talking to people who were involved in the drafting of that statement or more directly involved is he could, among other things and mr. dean can correct me on this, but he could among other things provide additional information. he could contradict people who have already spoken with mueller who did have more direct knowledge. and so i think it becomes key. >> yeah, maggie haber man, john dean, appreciate it. coming up on 360, the president's health and whether he has heart disease after the president's recent ill informed and racist comments about haiti and africa. conan o'brien decided to take his show on the road to haiti. i talked to conan what he hopes to achieve. that's up next.
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i spoke about this on the program about the strength i've seen in the people of haiti over the decades that i've been visiting there and working there, a strnength and dignity believe the president could learn from. conan o'brien decided to take his show on the road to haiti. he'll be meeting people from all walks of life seeing what haiti is like. i spoke to conan today before he left. >> the first thing i did was i love what you said on the air on your program on thursday. so, i called you and you -- it took awhile to get through, let's be clear about that. you have a conan filter. but then finally you took the call. i think you thought i wanted to come to a party or something and you weren't having that. but you got right back to me and you helped us out a lot. >> how do you go -- a lot of places you've gone, you were by the west bank in israel, cuba, mexico. you know -- >> we went to -- we went to south korea and we went to the border between north and south korea. >> these are difficult areas to
go to. >> yes. >> haiti can be a difficult place to travel in at times. >> yes. >> even to get around, traffic and stuff. >> right. >> how do you approach something like that? it's a complex place. >> yeah, you know, the first -- the goal of any trip like this is to make friends. that is -- if you want to reduce this to a simple as i can make it, and it can seem obviously there is a political element to reacting to something that president trump says. but more, it's to go and make friends with people and find out who are these people. everyone is talking about haitians right now. let's find out who they are. let's meet them. but i really do want this to be a chance for americans to see how -- i've heard haitian people are very funny and there is a great sort of creole french sense of humor -- >> do you speak any french? >> no, i'm very good in spanish and that's helped me a lot. french is rough. >> okay. >> and apparently the dialect there isn't even french.
it's a creole french. so -- >> sac pase is what you need. hey, how's it going? what's happening? when they say to you, the answer is nabule. this is fantastic. you and i should go together. two white walkers spr game of thrones. yeah, so i'm really looking forward to i will learn what i can. >> it's also so fresh. you're going at a time when three weeks ago or now four weeks ago the new york times reported president trump in a meeting with white house staffers said all haitians have aids. and people live in huts. and then the "shithouse," "shithole" comments. >> watch the language. look at you. >> does it matter whether he
said "shithole" or "shithouse." >> it's a huge difference. if it turns out it's "shithouse" i'm not going. i'm only going -- of course is makes to difference. it's the attitude behind it. people debating what did he exactly say. of course some people in the meeting say he did say it, others say i think he said that but it was tough language. he didn't say exactly that. they're missing the point. it's the attitude behind it. which is to dismiss giant swaths of the globe that we live on as being either unimportant or not worth our time. or people that we shouldn't know. people that shouldn't come to our country. that's that's the cancerous attitude. right now. so whatever word he said is completely irrelevant to me. it's about all right, i'm going to go. i'm going to spend as much time as i can and in the limited time
i have to meet as many haitian people as i can and try and the show woebt all be funny. i don't want to turn a blind eye to the problems in haiti. let's try and make something. let's make something positive. and as happened with every other show i have done i spend -- i can't go anywhere without mexican people coming out of stores and saying they speak to me in spanish. thank you for going to mexico city. i have koreans south korea people coming up to me all the time. north careen didn't get the word about my show. don't know what happened there. i just have a bad publicist in north korea. really where ever i go if i have been to a country people from the country -- they come out of the wood work and they want to talk to me and thank pe more going. and we have great chats about
the country. i hope that will happen now with haiti. this is just a desperate ploy to make friends. around the globe. >> i'm glad you're going. >> i'm thrilled to go. thank you for -- you did respond immediately. i couldn't believe i put up a pathetic bat signal. and this man responded immediately. you got us help. >> i was thrilled you're going. it will be great for you and great for haiti. >> i hope so. >> on his way to haiti. coming up. on skepticism in the wake of the president's clean bill of health.
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and so i think a doctor that is spent the amount of time with the president as doctor jackson has. is not only the most qualified but the only credible source when it comes to diagnosing any health concerns. >> there's also been the skepticism about the president's height and weight. which puts him shy of obese. 6'3". his draft card and driver's license has 6'2". sanjay gupta joins us now. does he have heart disease based on the information presented yesterday? >> yeah. that's the bottom line. he had tests done. understandably son. three and a half hours of exams and a big focus is the heart health. as is understandable for a gentleman that age. 71. that's what you worry about the most. anybody as their heart health he had several tests done. we know his cholesterol and low density cholesterol.
have gone up. despite being on medication. we has borderline obesity. and based on this one test known as a calcium scan that he has a score of 133. people may not be familiar with this testing. >> i actually just had this. this is the thing that test the calcium inside the artery? >> testing the calcium inside the plaque. which are located in the coronary vessel the blood ses vels that supply the heart. we have had a test like this done many years ago. it's basically designed to figure out if you have heart disease and trying to be predictive of a heart problem down the road. that's why the test is done. anything above 100 is considered heart disease. and can make predictions if nothing changes what the likelihood of having a heart problem is. he can do things about it. that's the point of the test.
>> you point out also that it's not uncommon for a man his age to have signs of heart disease. >> in this country most men typically 40e6r. 80% have some degree of heart disease. some hardening of the artery some plaque. it does steadily increase. president trump based on again the results they released to us and the when he put that together dwrou find he is squarely in the middle in terms of risk. for a man of his age. so there's things that can be done. the doctor has recommended increasing his dose. the cholesterol lowering medication as well as making lifestyle changes. >> all right. sanjay gupta appreciate it. thanks for watching. time to turn it over to chris cuomo. >> deputy press secretary is here to make the case for the president on immigration. the hope for a budget deal. and