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to speak their truth. these women and girls have transformed themselves before our very eyes from victim to survivor to champion for justice and advocates for change. in all of this, the world outside will carry on. but i want to recenter you and this court and all involved back on the reason we're here. the sentencing of defendant larry nassar for his admitted conduct against numerous young girls. he sexually assaulted them. he did so under the guise of medical treatment, and he did so for his own sexual purpose and gratification. he carried out his plot through a decades' long process he honed and perfected, creating perfect conditions for his predatory behavior. until these brave women brought it all down.
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sentencing, your honor, must protect, punish, and deter. through your sentence, i ask you to do all three. judge aquilina, i ask you to bring these victims the justice they so deserve. we ask you to sentence the defendant to a minimum of 40 years to at least 125 years in prison or a sentenc you see fit. thank you. >> your honor, i prepared some
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remarks today. my client prepared some remarks he's going to be reading to the court. but i want to start off on some remarks that i have not prepared. this court has provided a foundation for our country to watch our judicial system as it's happening and unfolding. we have a constitution in place. we learn about the constitution when we go to law school. contrary to what the personal or the perception of larry's legal team may be, we are all upholding the same document. he has an absolute right to his ellis advocacy. he has an absolute right to his defense. he has a right to be represented by counsel. while some may disagree in the way this case transpired, the conduct of counsel, this is what our constitution permits. i can tell you and anybody else listening that unequivocally i would be standing next to this man for every trial he would hold, every sentencing that he would have because that's what our constitution requires. this is not about us.
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this is not about larry. this is not about his legal team. this is about the victims that were before the court for the last seven days. but i will tell you the anger and hatred that they expounded on the court is something that larry saw, we all saw and all heard. as we sat in the court this morning, we received an e-mail from somebody who is anonymous that wished death upon our kids. for standing next to the man and upholding a constitution, a document and an oath we took when we all went to law school, whether you're a judge, a defense lawyer, or work for the government. we are doing our jobs. you areoing your job. and the government is doing their job. i would stand by the counsel that we have representing dr. nassar, and i would represent larry again. now, people ask us all the time if larry's sorry if what he has
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done. others ask what larry's like while some comment on how he's changed. i'll tell you that larry is sorry for what he's done, but we realize that these words are completely inconsequential to those that are listening and fall woefully short of an adequate apology to fully address what has transpired. as adults, we understand there are consequences for our actions. larry's actions have led to an unquantifiable amount of pain. as adults, we should be the only ones who feel pain for our own actions. sadly, one of the many tragedies in this case is the pain that was articulated these past seven days is not residing with larry. but instead, and more significantly, it is felt by the 100-plus women who have addressed him in court. he is sorry for the hurt he has caused, and he is sorry to each and every one of the individuals who have come before your honor. but an apology is not going to
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be enough. sometimes individuals can take solace that a small portion of the pain that someone has inflicted others can be seen in their own appearance and personality. although it pales in comparison to what we heard these past few days, larry's soul is broken. he is the shell of a person that we all first met. he has is reserved and soft spo. his tears are more frequent, and our conversations are more somber. as you all know, we sat with larry these last few days and saw what he saw. he saw the pain, hurt, and anger on your faces. your words will stay with him and leave an indelible mark on his soul for the remainder of his life. he realizes that what he is feeling is nothing compared to the pain and hurt all of his victims are feeling and were discussed in this courtroom
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today. i can assure you that your words have pierced his soul and softened his voice. that will never change. i know larry wants to address the court as well. >> sir, please raise your right hand. do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to provide is the truth, nothing but the truth? >> yes, your honor. >> thank you. please come up to the podium. >> it's just a short statement. your words these past several days, your words, your words, have had a significant emotional effect on myself and have shaken me to my core. i also recognize that what i am feeling pales in comparison to the pain, trauma, and emotional destruction that all of you are feeling.
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there are no words to describe the depth and breadth of how sorry i am for what has occurred. >> sir, you need to stand at the microphone. >> an apology to all of you is impossible to write and convey. i will carry your words with me for the rest of my days. >> sir, i hope that -- sir. i hope you are shaken to your core. your victims are clearly shaken to the core. and i know -- first let me address counsel. i agree with your words in
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regard to no one should blame the counsel. vigilante crimes are not tolerated. so i hope that no one will do anything untoward the counsel, their families, their firms, their cars, whatever. crime plus crime solves absolutely nothing. please respect their job. the sixth amendment does guarantee each victim the right to counsel. it doesn't matter what the defendant has done. they have the right to counsel. i also want to say that we also have the first amendment. so you are all free to have your own opinion. it is always a balancing act
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between those amendments. all the amendments to the constitution are valuable in thr own way. that's why we have an organized and just society. that's why we are here today. because this defendant has been brought to justice. do not make it worse, please. before i get to sentencing, i want to talk about a couple of things. first, i said what i need to say to the victims. you are no longer victims. you are survivors. you're very strong. i've addressed you individually. before i say anything further, i don't know if you all know this, and i know everyone's watching, i know this because i'm at the
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bench every day and this isn't the only case of this crime in this court. 310 out of every 1,000 assaults are reported to police, which means that two out of three go unreported. the voices of the survivors have asked everyone to report. but that statistic does not include children 12 and under. one in ten children will be sexually abused by their 18th birthday. one in seven girls, one in 25
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boys, by their 18th birthday. that means that in the united states, i'm not talking about any other country, but in the united states, 400,000 babies born in the u.s. will become victims of child sexual abuse. it stops now. these survivors are part of the army. i do one case at a time. and i really so very much appreciate all of you. i'm not special. i'm doing my job. if you come into my courtroom
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any wednesday and watch sentencing, i give everybody a voice. i give the defendants a voice, their families. i give victims a voice. i try to treat everybody like family becse that's the justice system i was raised to believe in. i'm naturalized. my mother is maltese. my father is german. i was raised on old country values. my grandmother always told me and my parents always told me, my grandfather too, that america is the greatest country. i believe that. that's why i served in the military. i'm not really well liked because i speak out.
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i don't have many friends because i speak out. you ask me a question, you better be ready for the answer. i speak out because i want change, because i don't believe in hiding the truth. i'm not saying i'm always right, but i try. i also don't believe that one size fits all when it comes to sentencing. i'm following the constitution, and i believe our system works.
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i also believe these survivors. there's case law about how i can consider, what i can consider. first and foremost, my sentence reflects -- [ inaudible ]. but the remainder of you, 161 others. so technically i'm considering everything, everyone. because the crime, all of the crimes, the depth of them have cut into the core of this community and many communities in all of the families and people we don't even know.
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and sir -- there is information in here that troubles me in regard to the victims. i do want to read more of your letter. the reason i want to do that is because i consider sentencing as an extension of your apology. so i want you to hear your words. i've already read some, but i'm
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not reading everything. let me begin. the federal judge went ballistic since sentencing and spent 10% on the federal case and 90% on the state cases and civil suits. she gave me 16 years instead of 5 to 20 years, in parentheses, three consecutive 20-year sentences. i pleaded guilty to possession of porn. the prosecutor even admitted that i never belonged to any porn sites, any chat rooms, was
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not on the dark web, and also they could not prove i used it. it was all deleted, of course. i shared my electronics, and i could not prove that. so for four months of porn possession from 2004, i'm sentenced to 60 years. not proper, appropriate, fair. going down a few lines, what i did in the state cases was medical, not sexual, but because of the porn i lost all support, thus another reason for the state's guilty plea. moving down further. so i'm trying to avoid a trial
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to save the stress to this community, my family, and victims, yet look what is happening. it is wrong. moving down further. i was a good doctor because my treatments worked, and those patients that are now speaking out were the same ones that praised and came back over and over and referred family and friends to see me. the media convinced them that everything i did was wrong and bad. they feel i broke their trust. hell have no fury like a woman scorned. it is just a complete nightmare. the stories that are being
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fabricated to sensationalize this. then the a.g. would only accept my plea if i said what i did was not medical and was for my own pleasure. they forced me to say that or they were going to trial and not accepting the plea. i wanted to plead no contest. but the a.g. refused that. i was so manipulated by the a.g. and now aquilina. and all i wanted was to minimize stress to everyone. going down a little further.
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in addition with the federal se, my medical trements with the olympic/national gymnastics were discussed as part of the plea. the fbi investigated them in 2015 and found nothing substantial because it was medical. now they are seeking the media attention and financial -- would you like to withdraw your plea? >> no, your honor. >> because you are guilty, aren't you? are you guilty, sir? >> i said my plea exactly.
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>> the new sign language has become treatment. these quotes, these air quotes. i will never see them again without thinking of you and your despicable acts. i don't care how they're used. i will always think of quotes and the word treatment. it was not treatment, what you did. it was not medical. there is no medical evidence that was ever brought. when ts case first came to m and i've told you this and i've apologized to the olympians and athletes, but i have five children, two dogs, my parents live with me, i work four jobs. i don't have much time for television. i don't watch sports. although, last year i was a soccer coach, much to the laughter of my family.
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i didn't know anything about you or your name or anything that was going on. and so when i kept saying we're going to trial, here's the date and everyone wanted more time, i said, no, here's the cutoff. then the cases were merged and we delayed it. and i still thought, well, maybe there's a defense of medical treatment. why did i think that? because it's my job to be fair and impartial. but also because my two brothers and my father are very well-known and respected doctors. real doctors with real treatments and research. dedicated to healing. i haven't considered that in this case, but i have heard from
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your survivors now that they trust doctors like i trust the doctors in my family and the doctors i go to. i still thought, well, there's a defense of medical treatment, and there are changes in the medical community every day for the betterment. so up until the time you pled, i believed that maybe there was a defense here, despite the felony information. i was ready for trial. your counsel was ready for trial. the attorney general's office was ready for trial. you, sir, decided to plead because there was no medical treatment. you did this f your pleasur
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and your control. this letter which comes two months after your plea tells me that you have not yet own what had you did, that you still think that somehow you are right, that you are a doctor, that you're entitled, that you don't have to listen, and that you did treatment. i wouldn't send my dogs to you, sir. there's no treatment here. you finally told the truth. in acti inaction is an action. silence is indifference. justice requires action and a voice, and that is what has happened here in this court. 168 buckets of water were placed
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on your so-called match that got out of control. i also, like the attorney general, want to thank law enforcement for their investigation, but i also want to be the voice on behalf of these survivors who asks law enforcement to continue their fine work and to also include the federal government. there has to be a massive investigatn as to why there was inaction, why there was silence. justice requires more than what i can do on this bench. i want to also applaud all of
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the counsel in the attorney general's office. i want to also applaud defense counsel. you all have done fine work. you've made me proud of our legal system. we all work together for the betterment of our community. that is law enforcement, prosecutors, defense counsel, investigators. there are countless people. it's the only way our system works. we need this balance. so all of you, when i look at myself as lady justice, my arms are like this. they are balanced. prosecution, defense, they're balanced. it only starts to tip after there's a plea and after i take into consideration everything that's happened. so i want everyone to understand
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i've also done my homework. i always do. people versus -- i'm sure i slaughtered the name, i apoll jazz. waclawski, it's a 2009 case. and in it -- and i want you to clearly understand -- it says plainly, the law does not limit victims' impact statements to direct victims. it doesn't say -- and i have found nowhere that limits me
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from having you hear all of your victims. as i said before when counsel came to me and said we're not going to go to trial despite our court having already sent out 200 of the 800 juror requests, and they told me their plea and would i consider it in lieu of trial. there was the agreement between us because i always, and they know it, they are familiar with me, let people speak. and i wanted all victims. we had a discussion about which victims. and of course there was an objection to one of them, but i let it come in anyway. that was part of the plea you entered in to allow the victim
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impact statements. after that, your lawyers, as good as i know they are, said the judge is going to allow this. when it comes down to it, i know it also because this was signed by the attorney general, by defendant, and by defendant's counsel on november 22nd, 2017. aside from the letter that you wrote a couple months after your plea, which tells me you still don't get it, there's something i don't understand and i want to
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make clear. sir, you knew you had a problem. that is clear to me. you knew you had a problem from a very young age, even before you were a doctor. you could have taken yourself away from temptation. and you did not. but worse yet, there isn't a survivor who hasn't come in here and said how world renowned you were. i trust what they say. you could have gone anywhere in the world to be treated. you could have gone to any resort, any doctor, place where you can get treatment. in europe they have all sorts of hidden places for things like this. no one had to know and you could have found some treatment, some help, taken some medicine.
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you would have done that if you had cancer. i know you would have. you're about self-preservation. but you decided to not address what's inside you that causes this control urge, that causes you to be a sexual predator. so your urges escalated, and based on the numbers that we all know go unreported, i can't even guess how many vulnerable children and families you actually assaulted. your decision to assault was precise, calculated,
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manipulative, devious, despicable. i don't have add words because your survivors have said all of that, and i don't want to repeat it. you can't give them back their innocence, their youth. you can't g.ive a father back hs life or one of your victims her life when she took it. you can't return the daughter to the mother, the father to the daughter. you played on everyone's vulnerability. i'm not vulnerable. not to you. not to other criminals at that podium. i swore to uphold the constitution and the law, and i am well trained. i know exactly what to do.
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and at this time, i'm going to do it, and i want you to know as much as it was my honor and privilege to hear the sister survivors, it is my honor and privilege to sentence you. because, sir, you do not deserve to walk outside of a prison ever again. you have done nothing to control those urges, and anywhere you walk, destruction will occur. to those most vulnerable. now i am honoring the agreement. i'm also honoring what's requested of me. i want you to know i'm not good
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at math. i have a cheat sheet. i'm only a lawyer. i know you have a lot of education in physics and math. but i have a cheat sheet. it is my privilege on counts one, two, five, eight, ten, and 18 and 24 to sentence you to 40 years. i'm going to look aty cheat
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sheet. 40 years, just so you know and you can count it off your calendar, is 480 months. the tail end, because i need to spend a message to the parole board in the event somehow god is gracious, and i know he is, and you survive the 60 years in federal court first and then you start on my 40 years, you've gone off the page here as to what i'm doing. my page only goes to 100 years. sir, i'm giving you 175 years, which is 2100 months. i just signed your death warrant. i need everyone to be quiet.
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i find that you don't get it, that you're a danger. you remain a danger. i'm a judge who believes in life and rehabilitation when rehabilitation is possible. i have many defendants come back here and show me great things they've done in their lives after probation, after parole. i don't find that's possible with you. so you will receive jail credit on counts one, two, five, eight, ten, and 18 of 369 days. on count 24, you will have 370 days jail credit. if you are ever out, which is doubtful, you would be required to register with the michigan sex offender's registration act complying with all the requirements of that act, in
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addition to global position monitoring system, you would wear a gps. you will pay restitution in the amount to be determined based on whatever amounts are submitted and your attorneys can ask me for restitution hearing so that i can determine what a reasonable amount is for the victims. i am leaving restitution open as long as those victims have issues that can be medically documented. you will comply with dna testing and pay a $60 fee for that. i suspect that was already done. but you owe $60 back to the county for that. or law enforcement. whoever. we'll put it in the right pocket. you must submit to hiv testing and complete counseling associated with hiv and a.i.d.s.
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you must waive confidentiality and allow test results and medical information obtained from those tests to be released to the court. you will pay $476. you will pay a crime victim's assessment in the amount of $130. does counsel wish to address court costs and fines? i don't know his financial state. >> judge, he doesn't have any money to pay the court fines. >> i'm not imposing any court costs and fines, and here's the reason. i don't know what he has or what he'll get in the future. the victims deserve the money. the county will survive one way or another. i'm also going to make recommendations to the michigan department of corrections for mental health treatment, health treatment. i understand he has medical treatments, and he should be allowed to take medicine for
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that. you should have individual and group counseling, treatment for sexual predators, whatever they allow. i'm als going to send a message. i'm not sure, but i belve i read an article, sir, that you were treating people in prison and don't have a license. don't commit any more crimes. i know you don't have any more lives to give, but you can't be treating people. you're not a doctor. so i'm not sure how that's happening. but i wanted to send that message. you have 21 days to appeal, ten days to request court appointed counsel. do you acknowledge receipt of your appellate rights? >> your honor, i've got the right to appeal and am providing it to my client now. >> do you acknowledge it?
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>> yes, your honor. >> thank you. let me just say to the media, again, i'm just doing my job. i know you all want to talk to me. my secretary has informed me that i have a growing stack of requests from print media, from television, from magazines, from around the world literally. this story is not about me. it never was about me. i hope i've opened some doors, but you see i'm a little stupid because i thought everybody did what i did, and if they didn't, maybe they ought to, but i do this and have been doing it, and if you don't believe me, the keeper of my words it right by my side and lawyers who are hearing this are shaking their heads saying, yep, i've waited too long as she lets everybody
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talk. sometimes people get upset. i don't care. i get paid the same. so as to the media who want to talk with me, i'm not going to be making any statements. i know that my office -- and i may have even, i don't know, conveyed that after this is over, it's just not my story. after the appellate period runs with victims by my side to tell their stories, i might answer some more questions than what i said on the record. i don't know what more i could possibly say. but i'm not going to talk with any media person until after the appeal period and even then if you talk to me about this case, i will have a survivor with me because it is tir story.
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so i wanted everybody to hear that from me. i respect all of the media outlets. you have done a fabulous job here. there hasn't been any commotion or upset by this, and i do believe in the first amendment, so i thank you all for being here because it's an important story for the survivors. as to today, i know that there are a lot of survivors, family members, husbands, friends, a lot of people in the courtroom, you have voices. i'm going to leave the courtroom. defendant will leave the courtroom. the attorneys may stay, victims, family members, survivors, you may stay in the courtroom and talk with media. you can have your own press conference right here.
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spur of the moment sometimes works out the best, doesn't it. again, i won't make a statement until after the appeal period. and again, if there's any survivor who at that point if somebody wants to talk to me, i'm sure you'll be moved on to another story, but if you're not, please give your names to the victims advocate so i can contact you. please, media, do not contact me on this story without a survivor. it's their story. i thank everybody on this case. sir, i hope somewhere you have heard everybody's words and it really does resonate with you. anything else for the record?
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all right. so the media is asked to stay here with all those lovely people who may want to speak with you. thank you. that's all for the record. >> all rise. [ applause ] >> i'm john king in washington. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. you have been watching a powerful sentencing hearing in lansing, michigan. judge aquilina sentenced larry nassar to up to 175 years. quote, i just signed your death warrant, the judge said. that 50-year-old sexually abused girls under the guise of performing medical treatment. just a powerful hearing. you see the prosecutor there hugging members of her team, hugs some of the survivors in the courtroom as well. the jge spoke poignantly. the prosecutor spoke poignantly. the defendant spoke very briefly, telling victims and
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survivors that there's no way, there's no way that he could apologize, find the right words for the pain, trauma, and emotional destruction he caused. paul, earlier in my career, i was in a lot of courtrooms. this was a wow. this was poignant from the beginning. powerful presentation by the prosecutor saying this must stop, the victims must be believed, this man must never set foot outside of a prison again. the defense attorney saying they've received death threats for handling this case. nassar said he couldn't find the words. the wrap-up from the judge was stunning, powerful, poignant. >> john, it was a powerful scene. as a former prosecutor, i've witnessed many sentencings in many cases, murder cases, sex abuse cases, but very few as powerful as this. and i've never really seen a sentence as long as this being imposed in a plea of guilty
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situation, as we have here. the judge said that he's going to serve as much as 175 years in prison. when her sentence is combined with the sentence of the federal court. remember, he's doing 60 years on a child pornography case that he pled guilty to in federal court. but it was a powerful, eloquent statement by this judge. >> and it was remarkable. paul, for folks who haven't followed this day to day, dynamics of this case, larry nassar pled guilty to seven counts. the judge was saying as she went through the sentencing that her hands were tied a bit because she wanted to honor and respect the plea agreement. she could not give him a longer sentence because she had seven counts before her. so she gave up to the maximum on each of those. it was remarkable as she had with larry nassar standing there, you are a sexual predator. you are about self-preservation. i just signed your death warrant. you don't get it. she read scornfully from statements nassar made early in this case, blaming it on the news media, saying the victims
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were hyping things, the victims were exaggerating things, that he was giving them necessary vital treatment. i want you to listen just for a moment here when the judge turned to nassar after scornfully reading his past statements and saying, you still guilty, sir? >> would you like to withdraw your plea? >> no, your honor. >> because you are guilty, aren't you? are you guilty, sir? >> i've said my plea exactly. >> what were your thoughts as you watched that play out? she clearly wanted to make a point that she was holding him accountable and she thought, as she said at the end, you still don't get it. >> yes, and she gave him an opportunity to indicate he did get it. he sort of hedged and said i've pled guilty. didn't say i was guilty or i believe i'm guilty. you know, she had a lot of anger, i think, also about something the audience may not be aware of.
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that is nassar had sent a letter to her begging to be excused from the victim, or as we call them, survivor statements made in court by the many, many women who had the courage to appear in this courtroom. the judge was very angry about that and said, no, you're going to remain in this courtroom and listen to every single statement of every person you have victimized. and she also made another statement in the middle of the victim statements in which she said that she was sorry that she was constrained by the eighth amendment of the united states constitution. now, john, that's the -- >> paul, i hate to interrupt you. one of the survivors now speaking in the courtroom. i want to take us there live. >> do you hope you're going to get more of those answers? >> i hope so. it's the biggest sexual assault scandal in history, and we should want to know why it happened. and if we don't, it's not going to get better. >> when you first started this process back in august of 2016, did you ever think that you would get to this point?
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and did you think it would turn into what it did? >> you know, ain,he number had was plain to me.ctims larry whether or not anyone would feel safe enough to come forward, that was the wild card. >> was there ever a moment where you had to step back and say, oh, my gosh, there really are there many victims, or did you know deep down? >> i knew. that's how pedophiles operate. that's how pedophiles operate, and that is why i was convinced even at 15 that there was no way someone hadn't spoken up. there was no way. >> 175 years. the right sentence? >> absolutely. i'm very grateful for judge aquilina and the leadership she's shown for all of us. >> do you think justice was in this court? >> we're going to move on and talk to other victims in the courtroom. please forgive the live television moments as we crawl around and see what's happening. >> that's a local affiliate there walking around to talk to other survivors. you just heard from rachael
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denhollander, one of the many victims who came into this court to speak up bravely. our jean casarez is outside the court. just after the sentencing, i was talking to paul about the poignancy and power from the prosecutor and from the judge saying this must stop, applauding the survivors for coming forward and the judge saying i just signed your death warrant. give us more or not drama in that courtroom. >> you know, there's just so many levels. as we heard from each and every survivor as they gave their victim impact statements, we also heard dates. along the way we heard that in 1997, one of the victims went straight to msu's gymnastics coach and told her exactly what was happening to her. and you understand what nassar was doing. he was telling all of these young women over two decades that this was proven medical treatment. their parents would be in the room. he would position himself in a
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way so the parent would not see what he was doing. and he would take his fingers and his hands, go inside these women for this proven medical treatment. besides that, he was the olympic team doctor for over two decades, covering four different olympics, doing this medically endowed procedure on all of these young women. and that is the issue right here. that is how we got to this courtroom here. when one of them finally came forward after msu didn't take what that young woman was saying seriously, after a police complaint was filed in 2004 that went nowhere, and finally one young woman, rachael denhollander went to "the indy star" in 2016 to publicly say, i was sexually assaulted and that's when everyone else came forward. that's what we've been hearing for the last week. >> and jean, a very important point. the prosecutor in her
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presentation paid tribute to the investigative journalism, saying this would never have come to light had these survivors not gone to the media and the media taken their story seriously. that was part of it. please stay with me. paul is with me as well. as part of this proceeding, the prosecutor gave a lengthy statement. the defense counsel addressed the court about the plea. then larry nassar was asked if he had anything to say to the survivors in the courtroom, anything to say about the case. here's his statement. >> your words these past several days, your words, your words, have had a significant emotional effect on myself and have shaken me to my core. i also recognize that what i am feeling pales in comparison to the pain, trauma, and emotional destruction that all of you are feeling. there are no words to describe the depth and breadth of how
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sorry i am for what has occurred. >> sir, you need to stand at the microphone. >> an apology to all of you is impossible to write and convey. i will carry your words with me for the rest of my days. >> jean casarez, i want to start with you, the reaction to that statement. just to make clear to our viewers, the plea agrment was for sen counts, but 156 victim impact statements put on the record as part of this trial. that was a brief statement, larry nassar saying he couldn't find the words for a proper apology. i'm not sure he ever could given his behavior. >> that's right. in this plea, in his statement before the court, the allocution, it appears as though he's apologizing, acknowledging, accepting responsibility. but that's when the judge turned it around to the handwritten letter she received just days ago saying he mentally couldn't handle this hearing by saying in that letter that it was a medically proven treatment that he did and just everybody had
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turned against him. that he was not authentic in this plea of apology before the court today. >> it was not medicine. it was not treatment, the judge saying. and paul, i'll give you the last word. i just want to get back to that point. larry nassar is not getting the last word. during the trial, we heard poignantly from some of the survivors, including this. >> you were meant to get caught. you were meant to be locked up for the rest of your life. >> larry is the most dangerous type of abuser, one who is capable of manipulating his victims through coldly calculated methodologies, presenting the most wholesome and caring external persona as a deliberate means to ensure a steady stream of young children to sault. >> as i look a you today, i feel nauseous. 20 minutes went by when you stopped and i thought to myself,
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it's finally over. but you weren't finished yet. you assaulted me again and again. >> i thought it was telling, paul, and very important the judge, as she sentenced larry nassar to 40 to 175 years in prison, she said she hoped he never walked outside of a prison again. she said this isn't about me, this is about those women and their powerful stories. >> you know, i agree, john. and she -- this was a powerful, powerful court proceeding where a message i think was sent by the prosecutor, by the judge to victims of sexual abuse around the country that sometimes justice is slow to arrive, but justice was finally handed out in this michigan courtroom. >> justice was served on this day. it was a remarkable hearing. the term special place in hell has been tossed around a lot in the town where i work lately. very appropriate use of it today. thanks for joining us today on "inside politics." very important there. larry nassar sentenced to 40 to 175 years in prison, seven counts on sexual abuse, 156 victim statements in all put
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