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on use of military force. >> so the next steps after this report, they are calling for massive no yield smaller less damaging nuclear weapons. wolf. >> all right. barbara. thanks very much. barbara star at the pentagon. that's it for me. thanks very much for washingtoning. erin burnett outfront starts right now. p. outfront next breaking news, president trump approves the release of a nunes memo. but does it discredit the fbi and the russia investigation? as he hoped. plus growing concern, the trump could fire fire rod rosenstein official overseeing the russia investigation. could this be trump's saturday night massacre? and the dow drops 660 points. one of the worst in history. trump takes credit for the rise. will he shoulder the blame for the drop. the breaking news, the memo,
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president trump authorizing these three and a quarter pages highly confidential memo from the gop intel chairman nunes, accuses fbi of abusing power to spy on carter page. one trump official said this memo was, quote, 100 times bigger than what caused the american revolution. this memo certainly does not deliver those goods. it clearly seeks to discredit the russia investigation, which multiple sources tell us the president himself told friends he thought it would succeed at doing. and today, after releasing the memo to the public, here's what the president said. >> i think it's terrible. you want to know the truth, i think it's a disgrace. what's going on in this country i think it's a disgrace. and when you look at that and see that, and so many other things what's going on, a lot of people should be ashamed of themselves, and much worse than
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that. >> well, the thing is, the member ole admits two crucial things. one, to be clear, carter page was not under surveillance while he worked for the trump campaign. he was not subject to surveillance until after he left. so the surveillance at the least was done pretty incompetently if the intent was to spy on the trump campaign. and, two, this line right here, on the last page of the memo, quote, the papadopoulos information triggered the opening of a fbi counter intelligence investigation in late july 2016. this is a major admission. it's well before the fisa warrant on carter page which was in october. it refers to then campaign george papadopoulos who according to "the new york times" told a new york diplomate over drinks russians had political dirt on hillary clinton. they said it did not start as a result of papadopoulos whom another trump adviser famously
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dismissed as a mere, quote, coffee boy. instead they have long said that the steele dossier was the reign for the russian investigation. which they said made the entire investigation a sham since as the nunes memo alleges that was ultimately made for by democrats during the campaign. so the dossier had nothing to do with the launch of the russia investigation. and the gop in this memo intended to discredit the whole thing actually admits that. but the memo will not give up on the dossier being at the core of the russia investigation. ittal ledges dossier was serious abuse at the highest levels of fbi in obtaining the fisa warrant on carter page. it then says then deputy director andrew mccabe quote testified that no surveillance warrant would have been sought without the steele dossier information. that's a pretty i in kre credible charge. in fact, it could not be what he
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said. the comments are classified. but in mccabe's testimony has a different story of what he said. >> this cherry picks information from director mccabe's testimony before our committee. only very select parts of what christopher steele reported related to carter page were included within the application. and some of those things were already subject to corroboration. >> already subject to corroboration which would mean independently confirmed separate from the dossier. well, pamela brown are outfront in washington on this major breaking story. we begin with evan. this was one trump former official 100 times stronger than what caused the revolution. >> it snlt. they are trying to make concerns
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that american public about how this was done. but if you look at the documents it admits additional information, not just the steele dossier that was behind the surveillance of cart er page and includes the fact beyond the fact that steele, the british spy who compiled the dossier, was deemed a credible source by the fbi in a previous investigation. again that's something that would have been put in the application for this surveillance application by the fbi. that would have been relevant for the judge to see. and i'm told that it was in that application, according to the memo itself. but it also excludes a lot of other information, including the fact that page came to the attention of the fbi a few years ago, back in 2013, 2014 when they talked to him as part of a russian spy ring case that the fbi was investigating. as a matter of fact they interviewed him and told him that the russians were trying to cultivate him as a possible agent, as a possible spy. so it's in that context that the fbi looked at his contacts in
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2016, and decided that they needed to look further and do this investigation. another important thing that this memo reveals is that beyond the october 2016 first application that was approved by the judge, there were three additional approvals for extension of that surveillance. these are every 90 days they have to go back. and the fbi would have show show this judge that during the previous 90 days they collected important information, important intelligence to warrant for them to continue to do that kind of surveillance. >> and obviously they did get that that's part of the reason it was extended. >> right. >> which is such a crucial point as you said completely excluded from this memo. thank you very much, evan. and democrats are charging that this memo, which of course publicly talks about rod rosenstein role about setting stage for his firing. he is the man who oversees
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mueller investigation. so the president was asked about that today. and here's what happened. >> [ inaudible ]. >> you figure that one out. >> you figure that one out. pamela brown is outfront, and pamela, it's hard to overstate the importance of the way he chose to answer that question. >> yeah, certainly not a ringing endorsement of his deputy attorney general, that president trump appointed to be in that position. now rod rosenstein for context, he's the man who appointed robert mueller to be special counsel. he's the man who oversees the russia probe. and he is mentioned in this memo released today as signing off on at least one occasion of a fisa warrant for carter page. now, you saw president trump ask that question, does he have confidence in rod rosenstein. there has been a lot of speculation about what's going to happen to him and his future. and the president sort of left it open question.
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however, i've spoken to sources familiar with the president's thinking. i'm told erin there is no consideration currently, i should emphasis currently, to fire rod rosenstein. and one reason, according to people i've spoken with, is because the president doesn't want to prolong the russia probe. the concern is if he fires him, that that would just prolong things in the obstruction of justice part of the probe he doesn't want to do that. though clearly he is frustrated with rod rosenstein, reporting is that he's frustrated with him, and clearly in the memo could be a problem for him. but at this point we are told no plans to fire him from the white house. but of course as you know things could change. >> all right. as you point out. yes, they often dochlt pamela, thank you. >> thank you. >> outfront tonight white house principle press secretary raj shawn. thank you for your time tonight. there is a lot of fear in washington that the president is gearing up to fire the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. as you've heard, raj, president
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was asked about it today. and i want to play again for you what he said. >> [ inaudible ]. >> you figure that one out. >> you figure that one out. that is far from a denial, raj. >> erin, thanks a lot for having me on. look, on the deputy attorney general, there has been no change in the president's confidence in the dag. we continue to expect him to fulfill his job as attorney general and don't expect any changes. >> why did the president when asked are you going to fire him, he said you figure that one out. why didn't he come out and say what you said? >> sure, well i'm saying it on behalf of the white house, and that's that no changes are going to be made at the department of justice. we fully expect rod rosenstein to continue on as the deputy attorney general. >> so when it comes to the memo, i'm holding it here, of course, we all now have read it many times. the president said that what
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happened here was terrible, a disgrace, to use the words that he used today. if what rod rosenstein did h as alleged in this memo, merits those words from the president of the united states, then why not fire him, raj, unless you guys are going to admit this entire memo is political document and nothing more? >> let me step back and look at some of the contents of the memo. i think the primary charge is in the heart of a political campaign the department of justice and the fbi relied upon opposition research, opposition research with limited credibility, to apply for a fisa warrant, and it did flot tell the judge about the political leanings and funding of that document. we think that is relevant. we think that the public has a right to know about it. >> now, of course the democrats dispute that. they say that the judge was made aware of that. you know, this is a big question. >> i don't have a copy of the fisa warrant itself. but what we have is the memo
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that was submitted by the house of representatives. there is a process. the house intelligence committee voted out this specific memo with the information in it. we thought it raised questions. the president believed that the public had the right to know about what was in it so he ordered it declassified. but we'll continue to be open to other documents, other things that are relevant to this matter, and others that the house intelligence committee chooses to vote out. >> so this is crucial, because this obviously to release this republican memo was done 100% on party lines. the democrats want to release their memo as well. and when you point out to the fisa warrant itself, it would seem if such series allegations made about it, that the american public should be allowed to zoo all of it, the intelligence upon which both partisan documents are based. democrat in the house intelligence committee adam schiff talked about that today and here's what he said. >> i think the president would be hard-pressed to suppress this
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memo particularly since they claim they are releasing the gop memo in the interests of transparency. >> will the president support that? including the fisa warrant itself? >> well, the president and the white house has stated that we would be open to consider anything the house intelligence committee chooses to vote out. this is the republican speaker of the house has talked about and read the schiff memo that he was just talking about and supports the release. we'll consider it. we consider anything any other pieces of information. the president will run it through the same process, which is to have national security and legal equities throughout the agencies and within the white house review the material and ensure it doesn't endanger national security and would not reveal sources and methods. but since we run through that process and house intelligence committee would vote out that memo he would consider that. >> the only thing, raj, you keep saying when the house, if the committee chooses to vote out that memo, this is a completely
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partisan thing. and you and i both know t republicans on one side. democrats are another. you have two memos. you have more republicans on the committee. democrats get voted out. republicans don't. i won't hide behind the committee vote when i know it's going to be against democrat memo. >> i don't necessarily know if it would be. you would have to ask both how they would vote on that memo. the white house isn't going to comment on the vote that the house is going to engage in on a memo that if hasn't even seen yet. we would be happy to rehave you it once it's sent to us and the house of representatives. >> but the president hasn't seen the republican memo when he said he was inclined to release it. >> i think the president would be inclined to release the democrat memo should it come to us and be reviewed and gone through the same process. and if national security and legal equities review it and say it doesn't challenge sources and
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methods, and the information in it is accurate. >> so you refer to this being about spying or surveying a campaign. it's words president has said many times. that the dossier was used to obtain the fisa warrant to spy on his campaign. today on twitter he quoted a person who said you hillary clinton tried to hide the fact that you gave money to gps fusion to convince a court to spy on the trump team. on january 11th, he retweeted this. paid for to spy on the trump campaign. on july 26 of last year said similar things. tweet. the list goes on and on. but what i'm trying to understand, raj, is this, very basic level, carter page had left the campaign when the surveillance on him began. the fisa was not used to spy on the trump campaign. why does he keep saying it was?
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>> well, it's part of this investigation that is the root of all of this, right. it is this counter intelligence investigation that has been sort of the subject of, frankly, tons of illegal and misleading leeks abo leaks about the president of the united states and russia. and now we have learned as part of this investigation, a fisa warrant was approved based on information from this, what folks have called this really discredited dossier. and the fact that the partisan leanings and the funding, democrat funding of this dossier were not made available to federal judge making this determination, that's very troubling. we think that raises serious questions. and we think the president's tweets and all the things he's been saying, you know, are validated to a large extent by parts of what we see in this memo. >> right. again i'm just saying there is dispute about what the judge was told about the funding. the funding obviously originally
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for fusion gps originally came from opponents of trump who were republican. but dispute about what that judge was told. also incredible dispute about what information was relevant from the dossier, corroborated separately, or not related to the dossier used to obtain the fisa warrant. the reason i point out is we say we care about the truth, you would release the underlying documents. because you said you would release. so why not release the underlying intelligence over their objections as well so we can all make up our own minds? >> again, the president wants to ensure that sources and methods when it comes to our national security are not compromised. this document doesn't do that. and that's pretty plain and simple. we haven't seen the democrat document. we haven't seen the underlying intelligence. and so determinations on that can't be made. >> how do you know this memo says the truth, when so many dispute it including the
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intelligence agencies themselves? how do you know? >> they are free to dispute it. i don't think people are making counter factual arguments what's in the memo. again, we welcome that information. it has to go through the same process, voted on by the house and intelligence committee. let's be clear about this, no one is saying that republicans on the house intelligence committee are blocking anything. they are working it through the same process. the nunes memo was made available to be viewed in a classified setting by all members of the house of representatives. the schiff memo is going through the same process, just a little bit later on the calendar. but no one is voting to block it. it is moving through the process. and it will be voted on by the full intelligence committee at a later date. >> do you believe, or do you wish that the president hadn't made the mistake he made when he said all this was used to spy on the trump campaign? because carter page didn't work on the campaign whether this happened. >> well, look, i think that the
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memo has raised very legitimate questions about how and in what ways the fisa process may have been abused by using campaign political opposition research. i will tell you, right, if in the heart of a political campaign an attorney general is using campaign political opposition and not telling a judge about it when seeking a spy warrant, i think if the tables were turned and this happened to say barack obama, i think there would be outrage. i think adam schiff, nancy pelosi would be totally outraged. even if it had merit, didn't have much as much context, that singular fact is damming in anyways. >> before you go, i want to ask you another things. the dow plum ited 666 points. biggest drop of the presidency. 6th single worst day drop in history. and you know the president has bragds a lot about market gains.
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takes credit constantly in tweets. here's a couple of times. >> the stock market is smashing one record one after another. >> the stock market is shat tearing records one after another. >> we are breaking a lot of records. breaking another one today. stock market is way up. jobs are back. >> stock market one record high after another. >> i told you the stock market is hitting one all time record after another. >> setting a record literally all the time. >> does he have anything to say tonight? >> well, we never want to see the stock market have a day like today. obviously, some wealth was lost, considerable amount tonight. but let's look at the full economic record. just this morning we saw jobs report show 200,000 jobs and wages level nearly highest level in nearly a decade. and the stock market has grown tremendously by trillions of dollars since this president
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came into ochs. we are supportive and we love the announcements from company after company of increased jobs, wages, and bonuses due to the tax cut bill. so the economy is strong and healthy. it will continue to grow. obviously today's stock market was a set back. but we continue to believe in the fundamentals of this economy and backed very strongly by the president and his policies. >> all right, raj, thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thanks for having me on, erin. >> and outfront next, breaking news, all out war tonight between republicans and democrats over the memo release. intelligence community taking a side. who will come out a winner? plus the congressman at the fronts of the controversy devon nunes speaking out with stunning admission about the information he had before signing off on that memo. and courtroom drama, angry father desperately angry tries to attack larry nassar, the
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concerns if the memo was released. outfront tonight former cia firm, our panel. all of this. jeff, raj, not wanting to engage on some of the core facts that are problematic. >> not wanting to engage on the facts, period, as far as i can tell. look, there are lots of facts that refute the implication that he was drying from this, from this memo. but the basic idea here is the president of the united states is willing to trash his intelligence community for the sole purpose of trying to discredit the fbi's investigation of him. this is the most cynical political exercise by both the republicans in congress and by the president. and it's also misleading the
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public. the fbi did its job here. the fbi did a legitimate investigation for legitimate reasons. and they are being trashed for it and it's not right. >> i mean, you have all kinds of things. for example, the reporting of evan perez was sharing, they obtained information from the surveillance of carter page, which merited the extension of the fisa warrant. by the way, he wasn't even under surveillance when he worked for the trump campaign, so he wasn't spied on as the president alleged so many times. >> we were whitewashed and if you believe that you were mislead. let me prove it. he later went on to say that the fisa was based on fundamentally the steele dossier. how can you tell me what the fisa warrant is based on if you've never red the warrant. and he acknowledged he hadn't. so how do you know how
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significant the steele dossier is in the warrant? he went on to say erroneously that document was reviewed for sources and methods weren't exposed. why don't you tell that to mr. steele. clearly he had a relationship with the fbi that might have involved money. next time they ask him to cooperate in ha investigation, because mr. steele was exposed, what do you think ta british citizen would saw, mr. shaw, do you want to talk? enough with the whitewash. those are two facts and you blew through them. >> raj, multiple times said that the judge didn't know that steele, there was any political money involved or steele may have come from a political point of view. obviously, adam schiff completely disputes that again, you have one side. you have the other. we don't have the underlying information. >> right. so it's just like nothing talk at this stage. it's like i'm going to say 2 plus 2 equals 5 and you need to believe me because i'm before
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the white house. there is no proof that the court would have -- in fact, let me put it opposite. what i know about the fisa court, i can be pretty confident they are not basing or approving a pfisa application based on on dossier from whoever is reporting it, whether republicans or democrats. because dossier was originally fundsed by a right leaning organization and then taken over by the hillary clinton campaign. so the idea they'll base it on is such a hostile statement about the fisa court, which actually is probably one of the most sort of rigorous oversight and overview judicial platforms to protect us from unlawful surveillance. >> tim. >> this memo was red herring. the key to understanding why the fbi took counter intelligence investigation of associates of the trump campaign was what they learned about george papadopoulos. not carter page. this is a red herring. this is an attempt to confuse
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everybody. what's really clear, though, is that this is the first time in our history that two branches of government have worked together in ha coordinated fashion to undermine the independence of the fbi. the very first time ever. >> and, also, you know, this is it a win for the trump administration, because we are sitting here talking about it. it's now controversial. whether the fbi did a legitimate investigation, you know, there is an echo chamber at fox news that has been pushing this and continue to push it. house republicans, you know, are willing to attack the fbi in order to defend the president. and because we are talking about it, it becomes sort of part of the big mess of politics in the country. and that's better for them than talking about the underlying crimes that maybe investigating. >> which is pretty incredible. because when you look at this, there in the very last couple sentences, forced to admit that the whole russian investigation
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started because of george papadopoulos and not because of this fisa warrant or anything else, as they had implied before. and then, bill, even whether they admit devon nunes the man whose name is on this, was on fox news, actually admitted this. let me play it. >> did you read the actual fisa applications? >> no, i didn't. and this has been one of these bonus news stories put out. so the agreement we made with the department of justice was to create a reading room, and allow one member and two investigators to go over and review the documents. i thought the best person on our committee would be the chairman of the oversight committee, trae gaudy. >> phil, he did not read the fisa warrant himself. >> let me give you interesting questions as former practitioner i would ask. these are dozens of pages long. something i haven't heard one
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peep on, what were the russians saying in this? is that in there? we don't know he didn't mentioned that. what was the fbi looking at previously when investigating carter page and did that information find its way because it was about his relationship with the russians, find its way in the fisa application? what kind of relationship did he have with other individuals who are already under investigation? when you take three pages of a 300 page book and say give me the book review, this is what you ged, erin. i don't believe any of it. >> the nunes notes as some might say. >> i agree. >> all staying with me. next the president said to be fix saited on rod rosenstein. so does it mean the deputy attorney general is really not growing to be around for very long? >> you figure that one out. and democrats unleashed counter attacking the memo findings. member of the house intelligence
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breaking news, the white house principle press secretary raj shaw just revealing to outfront the man overseeing the russia investigation rod rosenstein will not lose his jobs. here's what he told me moments ago. >> on the deputy attorney general there last been no change in the confidence in that. we don't expect any changes on that front. >> so why when the president was asked, do you still have confidence, he didn't say what you said, he said you figure that one out. why didn't he come out and say what you said? >> sure, well i'm saying it on behalf of the white house. >> jeff zeleny outfront at the white house. look, we know how the president is, he can change his mind. you are learning more tonight about the president's feelings about rosenstein. >> erin, it was clear the look
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on the president's face if he had confidence in rod rosenstein. not just based on that. we've been reporting the last week or so that the president has been fuming about him. he is indeed responsible. and essentially overseeing the russia investigation, which he is. but the reality is the president had the opportunity to say he had confidence with him throughout the day. we asked multiple officials and they would not see. in fact, hiebd the scenes i talked to one white house official who said look the president does more venting than firing so they thought he was secure. so the fact that the spokesman is saying it tonight we should mark it down als the white house at this moment. but the president has just landed in mar-a-lago. he'll be there for the weekend talking to friends. other advisers. who knows what could happen common day. so the reality here is if you would have asked the white house if james comey on that friday
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evening back in may was secure, they would have said yes. and the president of course will make up his own minds here. but the reality is this isn't about rod rosenstein. even if he happened to step down tore be pushed aside, that would not end the mueller investigation. rachel brand the number three at the justice department is also from the bush administration era, that's where she came from, so she would continue. so the mueller investigation is continuing regardless of who is in that position. so the white house says standing by, that might be the situation, but i'll wait for the president to say it for himself next week. >> that's a fair point. let's go back to our panel. the president today sadist gr e said disgraceful was the word he used. what i don't understand is, you'll call him disgraceful and do all these abuses that you
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allege, don't you have to fire him unless you are admitting this is all politics? >> i think he does mean it t i think he will fire rod rosenstein or push him aside. this president has pushed through every norm of behavior that we have assumed presidents abided by. i don't think it's a done deal. when rod rosenstein gets fired mueller is safe anyway. because he could put someone in there, perhaps a kt aing capacity, that would come the supervisor of the mueller investigation. this president is obsessed with the mueller investigation. he has tried everything short of firing mueller to discredit the investigation investigation. he still has other arrows, refusing to give an interview, all of that, you just listen to the president, it's obviously still on the table. >> how much in jeopardy, though, is the investigation right now, given this, given the
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president's arrows in his quiver as jeff says? >> i don't think it's in jeopardy yet. because he'll have a hard time getting rid of mueller. look at when they said, he supported rod rosenstein. >> jeff sessions did. >> by the way, you were in washington, raj shaw does not say the president has confidence in rosenstein. he says he has the same level after the president virtually called him disgraceful. >> that is a huge difference. >> and my point is, follow this closely, if he decides to fire rod rosenstein, whoever replaces him has to go before a confirmation hearing, and i believe there will be only one question at play at that confirmation hearing, whether a man or woman in fronts of that hearing, the question will be, will you allow the special counsel to continue and conclude the investigation, yes or no. i think the president if he replaces rod rosenstein might make his job harder not easier.
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>> so juliet what happens next, is there any chance that we get any closure here? and by that i mean we don't just have the schiff memo come out, that would be nice to see the full rebuttal, but it's still partisan document, i mean the underlying intelligence, more information about the fisa warrant itself, so people can get to the bottom of that one specific issue, even though, again, to be clear, carter page was not under surveillance when he worked for the trump campaign which i feel i need to say so people understand. >> i have to say counter to openness, i hope not. the whole point of the fisa court is actually that we depend on intelligence, and it's not just our own, allies, talking about russia all the time. let's talk about great britain and france and jordan and these countries giving us information. the problem here is not that we are not seeing the underlying information. it's for the first time during an ongoing investigation one
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congressman supported by an apparatus us that was ready to take down the entire system released information about a phi s fisa application and approval through a court. i know we are supposed to be against secrets. i'm not against secrets in all instances. men hand women are committing their lives to protecting us. there is a process with judicial review to ensure that that power is not abused. and so i'm on the counter, i'm like we shouldn't be in this stage now. i don't need to see the underlying stuff at this stage. i don't want to see the nunes stuff. that's the problem. >> does it matter, tim, though, for the public's kfd neconfiden the outcome of the investigation? because there are people who will read or not read and believe every single talking point that comes out of it? >> i think the selective is dangerous. nixon administration did that to
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try to help its case and clearly now the trump administration is doing that. the problem with -- i agree with you. of course the whole point of fisa was to end the old system which allowed president's to have warrant taps. fisa was set up to curb that abusi abusive power. fisa should be secret. but it's been open by this house. and for that reason on this instance on this case alone, we need more information. i'm afraid the public needs more information to shut this down. it's the president's fault we are in this position now. >> we'll see what he does, whether he does anything about it. thanks very much to all of you. and next democrats slamming the president for okaying the release of the memo and starting all of this. has trump stepped into something he truly doesn't understand? or does he truly not care? a member of the house intelligence committee is a guest. and furious father of three
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breaking news, tonight democrats slamming president trump and republicans for releasing a partisan memo that claims the fbi improperly used the trump dossier to conduct surveillance on former trump campaign aide carter page. saying in part, close, nunes decision to release against the department of justice and fbi is shameful effort to discredit the institutions, undermine the special counsel ongoing investigation and under cut probes. outfront jackie sphere, and congresswomen, thanks for being here. raj shaw was on a few months ago. they think the memo shows clear bias of the fbi. people should be ashamed of themselves. why is the white house so wrong?
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>> well, for many reasons. first of all, we know now that this memo has been released, that it's really a political document. it's political talking points. and it was written by one staffer, the author of the memo, the chairman, nunes, never even took the time to read the underlying fisa application of 50 pages. there were only three members of the committee that even had access to that. and yet we were taking on faith this political document and allowing it to become public? i mean, that's how low they have gone in terms of trying to protect the president. and i think it's all being orchestrated out of the white house. and the entities that they are now criticizing are run by republicans. so it really smacks of just a bad effort to try and, once
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again, create another distraction. >> at the heart of the memo are allegations that the fbi relied on that dossier about president trump's possible ties to russia to get the fisa warrant on carter page. and i pointed out, i'll point out again, that warrant was initially obtained after he left the campaign. so those are factually untrue. but the memo also claims, and i quote, deputy director mccabe testified before the committee in 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought without the sealed dossier information. so that is referring to that. you were there. is that what he said? >> i was there. no, it is not what he said. and that's the problem with this memo. and if it really was an effort to investigate whether or not there was bias, we specifically asked the chairman and the committee to bring in the department of justice and the
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fbi and question them on the various issues that they were raising in this memo. they were held bent on making this public. and it didn't matter what we said or what we did. and when he was asked the question, when the chairman was asked the question, have you done this in conjunction with staff of the white house? he wouldn't answer the question. >> right. which is true. he didn't. >> this is pretty clear. >> but what did mccabe say? they are pretty direct. they said no surveillance warrant would have been sought without the dossier. what was really said? >> that's not what he said. you know, i can't tell you, because it's still classified. but it was not -- those were not the words. that was not what he said. that was not the intention whaf he sa of what he said. >> he said it would be reckless to release it and incredibly dang remember. the ranking member of your
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committee, adam schiff who of course is behind the democrat memo to oppose this that hapt been released, he said it could cause a constitutional crisis. and the house leader nancy pelosi said this earlier today. >> he has abdicated his responsibilities as commander in chief to protect the american people by protecting our intelligence source ance ts and rest. if the president uses this fake, horrible release of distorted intelligence as an excuse to fire acting attorney general rod rosenstein or mueller, it could lead to a constitutional crisis. >> two questions for you from this. but first this congresswomen, fake, horrible, constitutional crisis. doj saying extraordinarily, reckless. was there a little bit of hyperbole coming from democrats on this? all the names in this we knew would be in there.
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>> we have a new normal in this country. and unfortunate because the president spews out fake for virtually everything, i mean, it's becoming part of our vernacular. this is a phoney memo. and the problem is that to really understand it, you have to release the fisa application. that's 50 pages long. >> 50 pages. >> and that's the slippery slope that we'll be going down if we are not careful here. so i just think that what we really need to focus on is what makes this democracy real. i mean, what makes it free? what makes it strong? and if you look at the institutions that the president has attacked, the department of justice, the fbi, the judiciary and the immediate yeah, i woume that all of those institutions is part of what makes this country free. and the democracy is going to start to erode. and you have vladimir putin
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there smiling. it's like he gave donald trump the script on which to move forward on this crazy memo. and i would say if you look at devin nunes and look what he did last year and this year, he set himself up to be too bias to serve on this committee. >> thank you. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> and next emotions overcome a father, his three daughters were abused by the former gymnastics doctor, larry nassar. , emotionsa father, his three daughters were abused by the former gymnastics doctor, larry nassar. > and next a father, his three daughters were abused by the former gymnastics doctor, larry nassar. [ clock ticking ]
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. new tonight, overcome with outrage, the father of three young women who were sexually abused by larry nassar. randal margraves just finished speaking when he asked the judge for this. >> grant me five minutes in a locked room with this demon would you do that? >> i would not -- >> yes or no? >> you know i would not do that. >> well i am going to have to --
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>> let me have that -- i want that -- i want that [ bleep ]. >> an emotional moment. a father who was overcome. just imagine hearing his three daughters talking there. you have been in courtrooms before, this was an incredible moment. >> absolutely incredible. given the level of brutality, three daughters who were sexually molested by nassar. his desire to go one-on-one. i have seen this in courtrooms. it is rare, but also cases involvi
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involving sexually molested. i have never seen one -- yeah, years that they went on. the numbers of young women, girls who were impacted. 150 of them. what happens now? >> he has already sentenced to 150 years in prison. he will spend the rest of his life in prison. die in prison. so these other sentences are academic at this point but justice for each victim. >> will others be held accountable that this went on for so long? >> going to be very difficult for there to be civil suits for
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campaign and trump prizes loyalty. for reasons only trump knows he is staying away from this controversy on this one issue. could it be the president is a closet eagles fan? don't forget the kick off in minnesota with our great team. anderson starts next. >> so that happened. john berman here for anderson. why, what is the motivation from releasing a four page document accusing misconduct by people running the investigation. many of them republicans. what if anything does it omit, blur or distort? how much of it is even news?