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her disturbing account just the latest example of wrongdoing by weinstein. we continue to see new stories on a daily basis. it's so important for journalists not to drop this threat, not to let it go. as jodie cantor of "the times" wrote, journalists have to keep trying to find out. see you next week for more. coming up, "state of the union." memo revealed. president trump says he's vindicated after releasing a controversial republican memo. >> i think it's a disgrace what's going on in this country. >> but the fbi, the justice department, and democrats say the memo does not tell the whole story. >> it's misleading in its timeline. it's misleading in how it characterizes what andy mccabe said. >> a democrat and a republican who disagree on the memo's release join us live, next.
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plus -- figure it out. president trump refuses to say whether he will fire deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. >> you figure that one out. >> how would that move affect the russia probe which rosenstein supervises? senator dick durbin responds, in moments. and super bowl sunday. the brash underdog versus established juggernaut. sound familiar? hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is ready for some football, as americans wait for the eagles and the patriots to face off in the super bowl, president trump is facing off with his own national security community leaders. the president spent saturday golfing and complaining on twitter that nobody's talking about his great jobs numbers, only russia, russia, russia. he also used twitter to declare
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himself cleared in the ongoing russia investigation after the release of a republican four-page memo alleging the fbi abused its surveillance tools before and after the 2016 election. he wrote, this memo totally vindicates trump. there was no obstruction because collusion is dead. this is an american disgrace, unquote. in response to the president's tweets, a former senior national security official told me, quote, as a public servant i was taught to never take official action for personal gain. that is exactly what our president has done. he personally ordered the declassification of the memo for political purposes. the proof is his claim that he has now been vindicated by the memo. in my view, this conflict of interest is the real story, not the memo itself which doesn't contain much we didn't already know, unquote. dick durbin of illinois is a
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member of the senate judiciary committee. senator durbin, thanks for joining us. president trump says the nunes memo vindicates him in the probe. does it? >> no, of course it does not. the fact that the republicans in the house refuse to allow the minority report, a democratic response to their memo, is an indication that they're bound and determined to continue to find ways to absolve this president from any responsibility. i agree completely with john mccain. it was john mccain who said that trying to undermine the fbi and the department of justice is, frankly, doing putin's work. we ought to be trying to focus on an investigation at a professional level by bob mueller and not trying to find a way to obstruct justice or to absolve this president from any responsibility he has. >> i want you to listen to what house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes said about
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fisa abuse laid out in the memo. tke a listen. >> i think the american people understand that the fbi should not go to secret courts using information that was paid for by the democrats to open up investigations and get warrants on people of the other political party. that's the type of stuff that happens in banana republics. >> it seems the judge was told the information from the steele dossier was funded by a political source but it was not specifically referred to as having been paid for by the democratic national committee and the clinton campaign. do you think that's problematic? >> what nunes conveniently ignores is this investigation was under way long before the involvement of the steele dossier. and in fact the court was advised there was a political source to it. the judge in issuing a fisa warrant has to weigh whether or not there's something in the background here that should disqualify the issuance of a warrant. and he decided repeatedly that it did not. the nunes memo, if they allowed
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the democratic response to come out, would be discredited itself. the information, the facts tell a totally different story. >> so senator, just to play devil's advocate here, one could really look at this subjectively and say, the democratic party isn't necessarily bathed in glory here, "mother jones" broke the story of the dossier's existence in 2016. the fact is the public didn't find out that the hillary clinton campaign and the dnc paid for the dossier until a little over three months ago, in october 2017. this dossier was used for this fisa warrant, a surveillance warrant of a trump official and the clinton campaign and the dnc didn't disclose that. isn't that problematic? >> i can tell you that that is one piece of evidence.
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its credibility has to be judged by law enforcement officials first, ultimately by a judge, and perhaps by a jury. but to say that that's the end of the investigation, that this is all that donald trump needs to fire rosenstein or to fire bob mueller, i'll just tell you, this could precipitate a constitutional crisis. if the house republicans believe they've set the stage for this president to end this investigation, they are basically saying that in america, one man is above the law. and that's not a fact. we've got to make sure we explore all the possibilities and all the evidence. >> i want to get to that, and i understand your larger point. but would you grant the point that the dnc and the clinton campaign should have disclosed much earlier than they did to the public that they actually funded this dossier? >> of course you know as well, jake, that the actual political motivation and beginning of this was on the republican side. it was then switched over where
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there was democratic funding. it really goes to the credibility. but that is an issue that the judge in issuing the fisa warrant takes into consideration and ultimately some other trier of fact will as well. but to say now, as the president said, it's all over, stop the investigation, i'm above the law and i shouldn't be investigated any further, that is an extreme position and it's inconsistent with one of the fundamental >> i think in point of fact the opposition research project was funded by republicans but the steele dossier per se was funded by democrats. but this appears to be a dry well so i'm going to move on. before the memo was released, democrats were sounding the alarm that putting it out could compromise national security and intelligence sources and methods. take a listen to the ranking member of the house intelligence committee adam schiff last week. >> i think we have crossed a deeply regrettable line in this committee where for the first time in the ten years or so that i've been on the committee, there was a vote to politicize the declassification process of intelligence and potentially
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compromise sources and methods. >> do you see any evidence of sources and methods compromised in the memo? >> i'll tell you, i can't answer that without being on the inside and understanding the sources. it was the fbi itself, not adam schiff, whom i respect very much, but the fbi itself who said the release of this memo would be reckless, that's their word, reckless. yet the house republicans were downed and determined to do this to stop the investigation of the president and those around him. >> it seems pretty clear from the response of frutrump and hi allies to the memo that it could be used as pretext for the president to fire deputy attorney general rod rosenstein or special counsel rob mueller. what will you do if he carries out either one of those actions? >> this would be an extreme
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event and one which i say with some caution would cause a constitutional crisis in this country. the question is whether the majority of the house and senate will stand up for the rule of law and the constitution. trey gowdy, who is retiring from the house, a republican, conservative from south carolina, said he saw nothing in this memo that undermined the investigation and he still had confidence in bob mueller. i hope people like mr. gowdy will continue to make those statements and stand behind the rule of law. if the president takes this extremely action, i'm afraid it could lead to a confrontation we do not need in america. >> can you be more specific about what democrats might do? >> well, i don't want to predict that. i think that's too hypothetical. but we understand what the constitution says we must do, and that is hold everyone in the united states, including the president of the united states, accountable if they have violated the law. no one, including the president, is above the law. >> let's switch to immigration. the democrats have been
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protesting the changes that president trump has proposed to the legal immigration system, limiting family reunification or so-called chain migration so it's only for spouses and minor children and ending outright the diversity visa lottery. you in 2013 voted for the gang of eight immigration bill that attained similar provisions, eliminating the ability of brothers and sisters to enter the country. so why oppose it when president trump is proposing it this time? >> the answer is very obvious. the immigration reform bill gave immigrants a path to legal status over a period of time. we swept away all the restrictions on family members seeking visas, over 3 million of them, the backlog was going to be wiped away and we were going to bring them into the united states and moving forward change the standard.
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that is not what president trump is proposing. understand what they are proposing. they want to cut legal immigration into the united states of family members, some of whom have waited 20 years or more to join up with their families here. this is no longer about the security of the united states. it is not about competition for american jobs. it is an effort by them to make a different immigration policy in the future, one that envisions an america that is much different than it is today. this is not an acceptable premise. >> senator, a cnn poll after the government shutdown, when democrats forced a government shutdown over the dreamers, found that 56% of americans polled thought that keeping the government open is more important that continuing daca. do you vow right now that you will not shut the government down again if there is not a daca deal before the deadline? >> there is not likely to be a daca deal, although we're working every single day on telephone calls and person to
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person, to try to reach a bipartisan agreement. i think we're making real progress. i want to salute the moderates in both the republican and democratic caucuses in the senate. they have really been a positive voice. democrats and republicans sitting in the same room, working to try to solve this problem. i don't see a government shutdown coming. but i do see a promise by senator mcconnell to finally bring this critical issue that affects the lives of hundreds of thousands of people in america, finally bringing it to a full debate in the senate. that's what we were looking for when there was a shutdown. we've achieved that goal. we're moving forward. >> senator durbin, i understand you're rooting for the patriots this evening, i won't bring up the subject, then. i hope you have an okay night. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, jake. both sides dispute what the fbi deputy director actually said to a house intelligence committee, a democrat and a republican who were in the room disagree, they'll tell us what they heard. stay with us.
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fight over the release of the republican's memo. democrats argue the information in the republican document is cherry-picked and inaccurate. here to help shed some light on some of the discrepancies are members from both sides of the aisle, democrat congressman jim himes and republican congressman the president tweeted this weekend, quote, this memo totally vindicates trump and tr in probe but the russian witch hunt goes on and on. congressman, do you agree that the memo vindicates trump? >> this is a separate issue. in my opinion we are we're dealing with is a situation in our fisa court and how we process in our government agencies. this doesn't have anything to do with that.
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my main concern is things like did the court know this was paid for by the democratic national committee. >> the dossier. >> exactly. i would be curious to ask a judge, did you know who paid for this dossier that's being presented to you and would it have made a difference. i think it's more looking within the agency, something we have oversight over. they don't have oversight over us. we have oversight over them. >> there are a number of house republicans including congressman gowdy who agree, but other republicans are saying no, the whole thing is corrupt and the mueller probe needs to end. >> yeah, which is said, because that's just not the case. i agree with brad on the way he articulated this. it was speaker ryan who said to his conference this is really not about the mueller investigation. as you point out, tray growlede said that. we hope that the democrat memo will be released, which is a counterpoint to the republican
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memo. we will learn that it is not true that this fisa warrant was awarded solely on the basis of the steele dossier. we will also learn that the fbi, because they are very careful people, didn't mislead the judge, that the judge had some sense that the information came out of a political context. but finally, and this is a point that i don't think gets a lot of attention, just because it was paid for, and remember, that dossier was started as part of an effort done by republicans. >> actually, as a point of fact, i think the overall opposition research started by republicans, but the steele dossier per se was just democrats. >> that's correct. so the fusion gps effort, the organization that did this, started as a republican funded effort and then became a democratic funded effort. the point is, just because it's democratic funded research, doesn't mean it was wrong. opposition research is only valuable in as much as it is accurate. i think when the facts are out here, this will turn out to be a
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very, very small and insignificant thing. >> i was reminded this weekend by evan perez, our justice department reporter, that the clinton foundation probe by the fbi, one of the bases was that was peter schweitzer's book "clinton cash." a lot of strong charges in that book. and i don't recall republicans objecting to that book being used for the clinton foundation probe. >> well, i'm not really familiar with that detail. but i would like to comment on some things that mr. himes just said. there is a difference between saying it's politically motivated and revealing who paid for it. i think that is a huge difference. as far as the democrat memo, when we were in our meeting i think we saved the democrats from some hypocrisy here because adam schiff was making the case that we should not release our memo unless it was vetted. it had been vetted. then they wanted to immediately release theirs without it being vetted. that's why i voted against it. if they want to vet it, i'm in
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all in favor of -- i would to shed light on all of this, jake, i really do. i think the american people deserve that. that is our job. >> go ahead. >> i would take minor issue of that. if there was a vetting process on the nunes memo, that's news to me. if the vetting process did occur, we know what the fbi and the department of justice said about the release of this memo, they said do not do it, it would be extraordinarily reckless. if there was a vetting process, that was the conclusion. secondarily, adam schiff, when he offered to release the memo side by side, said we will run this by the department of justice and the federal bureau of investigation which you republicans won't do, this is available for all to see in the transcript of the meeting. by the way, we still intend to do that. this may not be an issue where there are likely to be highly sensitive sources and methods exposed but nonetheless it's a good practice to run these by the sources. >> christopher wray said
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everything in there was factual. >> the fbi did put out a statement saying they thought it was incomplete, that there were omissions of fact. >> that's fine, and that's why if they want to put out their memo, let them do that. it's a false narrative when you say mr. mccabe wasn't quoted correctly because there was an attorney from the fbi who was part of the fisa application, and also was in on the interviews that said that that was an accurate statement, that this couldn't have gone through without the dossier. >> so would you support the release of the transcript of any relevant part of andrew mccabe's testimony? because this has been a big point of contention that seems just factual in nature, although those of white house aren't privy to the interviews, were you both present for the mccabe interview? >> i was, yes. >> were you as well? >> not for that one. >> would you support the release of any relevant transcript that would support what mccabe things about how important the steele
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dossier was to the fisa warrant so we can clear this up? >> i would. having been in the room, i would absolutely support it, just so the american people -- i would go a step further, which is this all -- part of the problem with the process here is that conclusions and allegations have been drawn based on the fisa warrant applications. this is some of the most classified stuff the government has. i would even support, if it could be redacted in such a way so as not to be damaging, i would support releasing the underlying fisa applications. americans would say dozens and dozens and dozens of pages citing all sorts of facts. you would see a very comprehensive project that gets put together by ten, 12 people at the fbi, then present it to the federal judge. >> have you seen the application? >> i have not, the only people on the committee who have are trey gowdy, not chairman nunes, that's a pretty key fact here, and adam schiff. i would support that release because then the american people would say how comprehensive the fisa application is rather than the way it's being characterized as secret, dark, behind closed
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doors. >> would you support it? >> i would want to see it, absolutely. >> would you support releasing -- >> we want to have our eyes on more. the doj set up those rules. devin nunes felt that trey gowdy with his experience as a prosecutor and investigator would be the better person to go look at it. we received weekly briefs on it. so i'm all for that. open it up. this is what i keep talking about. let's shed some light on what's going on with the agencies that the taxpayers pay for, by the way. >> very quickly, do you think that this memo provides some sort of pretext for president trump to fire rod rosenstein or robert mueller? >> no, i don't. i told you in june that i support the mueller investigation. i hope that he does it fairly and honesty, of course we would always expect that. at the same time, when i look at rod rosenstein and christopher wray, i know in their agencies they have tremendous patriots that do great work each and every day and they should stand up for them. at the same time, this could be
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their finest hour. they should work with us in congress to get to the bottom of what has taken place and if there's any wrongdoing, let's correct it. maybe we need to change the process of how it all takes place. he have the opportunity to make it the finest hour for their agencies by doing the right things. >> congress men, thank you for being here, i hope your appearance here is a sign of bipartisan cooperation to come on the house intelligence committee, that would be nice, i'm sure you would agree. >> absolutely. >> we tend to get along pretty well. >> the conservative drumbeat growing louder calling on the president trump to fire the man overseeing the russia investigation. will president trump listen? that's next.
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there is a little bit of sweet revenge in it for me and in a sense the family, in the sense that if they hadn't done this, this would be going on at
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the highest levels of government. they would continuing to be doing it to my father, trying to undermine his actions. >> donald trump jr. referring to a little bit of sweet revenge in the release of the nunes memo. my panel is here to discuss, republican congressman and former fbi agent mike rogers. what's your response when you hear donald trump jr. saying that? >> lady justice is supposed to be blind. any time you interject something other than getting to the truth, i'm concerned about it. now we have competing narratives, competing memos. it all looks too awfully partisan to me to come to a conclusion. there should be an investigation. it should be at the i.g., they'll have access to the fisa applications and come up with a plan to remedy it. this current path is all about politics. candidly, both sides of the aisle are guilty in this case. >> is there nothing in the nunes
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memo that you think merits further scrutiny? you have them saying let's have the i.g. look at whether there was abuse of the system. could you get behind it? >> i don't think there's problem with that at all. but his comment is sad, it reveals the partisanness, and that this was political, in addition to trump's tweet. that part was very sad. this really should be about getting to the bottom of the situation. i think the tweet as well as don juni junior's comment reveal what this is all about. >> the fbi is to blame here. they've been withholding information from the congress for a long time. they're trying to get to the truth. the releases that have happened have happened because the counternarrative has been out there a long time, through leaks by the fbi. so you can say, well, this is a partisan attempt by republicans. but it's a partisan attempt to counter a narrative that's out there. and i agree with mike, an i.g.
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report will be great. the problem with that is that will be quiet, off to the side. and this narrative is going to continue to go. and that's why i think your two guests here previously are right. the more information we can get out there now to settle some of these scores, the better. >> but the releasing classified information over the objection of the fbi director and seeing that as sweet revenge, how do you respond think that? >> i mean, i actually do agree with mike, that it looks like there are other issues at play, which is politics and the president's own hide. i just worry, we need to have a healthy republican and democratic party that is not just -- and this worries me, honestly. even as a democrat, that the republicans are doing the bidding of the president and thereby undermining the fbi. i mean, rick, even when you start publicly saying that the fbi has been hiding information, it gives this whole deep state
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conspiracy crank stuff more oxygen. >> but they did withhold information from the congress. >> classified information. when you say stuff like that, when the president says this stuff -- let me finish my point, can you just let me finish my point. the point is you've got a poll out this weekend that says that 38% of republicans have a favorable view of the fbi, which has plummeted. i'm a former federal prosecutor. i'm going into court. i've got an fbi agent on the stand. and now i have to worry about whether my jury has republicans on it because they hate the fbi now? that is just -- that's hugely damaging across the country to justice in america. >> i also think that was the point of the memo. because if there is a trial, if there is an indictment, it muddied the waters. >> of course.
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>> it decreased the poll numbers for fbi. this is really the first time something like this has happened. it's a shame. >> i think what you heard from brad and what you heard from speaker ryan and others is really where republicans are coming from. i don't think most republicans are looking at it as a vindication of donald trump ain the mueller investigation. people see this as a problem within the obama administration of politicizing the doj, the irs, and every other agency of government to come after republicans. >> oh, my god. these were republican fisa judges, all appointed by george bush. there were four of them. the head of the fbi is a republican appointed by trump. this is like alice in wonderland. it is totally topsy-turvy. by the way, if they were really in the tank for hillary clinton as you're suggesting, why wouldn't they have leaked that there was an investigation ongoing about donald trump instead of ten days before the election, a memo comes out about
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hillary clinton's e-mails? it's a ridiculous argument. >> it's not a ridiculous argument. the bottom line is they did leak lots of information that incriminated donald trump and caused this russia investigation to get some legs. the idea that they weren't leaking information, that the people at the fbi, you have, you know, the two people with their -- >> it was a botched leak, that's for sure, because it certainly didn't work. >> it wasn't a botched leak. it was actually a very successful leak in focusing attention on donald trump. >> i know that the fbi is aware of past abuses by the fbi. i believe it was comey that used to keep that horrific letter sent to martin luther king on his desk to remind him of this. it's not as though the fbi is ever above criticism. but why are fbi officials so upset, because you see christopher wray giving a video encouragement to buck up the troops. what is it about this episode that bothers them so much? because obviously the fbi is not immune to criticism.
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>> and they absolutely shouldn't be. in 2000 there was a particular case on the fisa court where an agent was removed from the case because they didn't think he had veracity in the presentation of his application. so there have been problems. that was back in 2000, that's a long time ago. they're upset i think because they believe that there is another side of this, right? when you do an application, there is lots of information that goes into this thing. it is months and months of work. i think the notion they worry about is it's very flippant, we just went out, found a few things, we got a dossier, wrote up an application, went to the judge, and there you go, we're spying on a united states citizen. the fbi doesn't take that that lightly. they're saying if there is another argument here, it should have been in here. they weren't worried about what was in the memo, if you recall. it was what was not in the memo that they were concerned about, because it paints the wrong picture. and my argument here, again, is
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listen, this is exactly what we were talking about last week we thought would happen. republicans think this is fantastic and democrats think it's the worst thing ever. and what we'll lose here is the truth. we would never sacrifice the truth in a partisan area where there's classified information. don't bgo anywhere, we're going to talk about carter page. for months members of the trump team were insisting they didn't even know who carter page was. can republicans have it both ways? uh! ♪i used to be spellbound hello again. ♪i used to be spellbound hi. ♪i used to be spellbound that's a big phone. ♪in your arms. [screams] ah, my phone. ♪you built the flame ♪that warms my heart, ♪but lying and cheating ♪has torn us apart ♪and i'm moving on. what's critical thinking like?
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carter page is an individual who the president-elect does not know. >> he's not part of our national security or foreign policy briefings that we do now at all. >> to the best of my recollection, i don't know carter page. to the best of my knowledge, he never had a e-mail address, no formal role in the campaign that i know of. >> i don't think i've ever
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spoken to him. i don't think i've ever met him. >> no idea who carter page is. yet today, the fbi spying on carter page means the fbi was biased against trump. senator santorum, that seems to be a little bit of a contradiction. if carter page wasn't part of the campaign a year ago, year and a half ago, two years ago, why is spying on carter page anti-trump? >> they obviously were spying on carter page because they thought he was going to provide access to trump. whether he did or not is another question. frankly, i don't see the disconnect here. you could say carter page wasn't deeply involved in the campaign, but if the fbi thought so and went about a process to spy on him because of that, that's the problem. >> congresswoman? >> you know that what brought carter page to the attention of the fbi was an australian. that happened long before. >> the australian was with george papadopoulos.
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>> doesn't mentinald trump ments advising him at a time when he didn't have a lot of advisers. >> the thing that is really amazing to me is i don't understand why the republican leadership would go so far as to support trump in this matter. to me, i know they're concerned about their agenda. but the fact that they would really go this far that to put out a memo that they would participate in undermining the investigation or at least that's what they hope that this memo does, and so i just think that's a really sad thing, that their agenda of passing the tax -- what they call tax reform, but we know it was tax cuts, they blew this deficit up so that now they can come back and talk about social security and medicare and medicaid, that that agenda is so much more important than the safety of our elections and our democratic process. >> you're on the house judiciary committee, and the committee put out a statement, democrats on the committee put out a statement saying that house
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republicans are undermining the credibility and legitimacy of the justice department. are you literally accusing house republicans of a crime? >> i'm not going to sit here and say they're guilty of a crime. we know it takes a lot of evidence for that. >> "accomplice" is a pretty big word. >> the fact that they would go so far as to put out partial information as to say the only reason why there was an investigation was because of the dossier, and they know better, they omitted the information. the fact that they have attacked the fbi, attacked the department of justice in the manner in which they've done, we've never seen that before. why would they do this? the only reason they would do this is to support the president. and to go that far to support the president, to push their agenda, i don't know where we're going with this. >> can i talk about carter page for one second? "time" magazine obtained a letter carter page wrote in 2013 boasting about his connections with russians. quote, over the past half year i've had the privilege to serve
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as an informal adviser to the staff of the kremlin in preparation for the presidency of the g20 summit next month where energy issues will be a prominent point on the agenda. page was spied on under a different fisa warrant. he cooperated with the fbi in the prosecution of a russian recruiter during that period. >> he had connections with people the fbi believed were russian intelligence officials or were at least passing information back to russian intelligence officials. that's what muddies the waters here a little bit, in the words of strother martin, what we have here is a failure to communicate. the fisa warrant was really targeted at somebody they knew to have a relation with russians. so all of this spin about what it means for trump or not i think is well overblown, candidly. what could happen at the end of
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this is you find out the information that they found in those fisas will disprove some of the common narratives on the outside. i would argue that's why we should all let the version go forward. mueller could get up next week and say, you know what, nothing to see here. there's nothing he's said or indicated that there isn't, they've found folks doing something wrong, some of them have pled guilty. certainly there are some optics problems at the very at least, maybe some legal issues. bt the fact that they went after carter page when he was a target of fbi interest before -- remember, these intelligence warrants are not necessarily for criminal activity. they're trying to determine is an intelligence officer operating in the united states, are they cooperating with a person in the united states who would have access to give them information that they need. then it would spin off into some criminal investigation. >> and just to further that, i mean, john mccain basically said that releasing this memo or what
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he's seeing happen, we do not want to be the tools of russia, because remember, this whole thing is about russia meddling in the election. and nothing has happened on that, in fact on the senate side, the foreign relations committee, the minority put out a 200-page document that listed ten specific actions that congress could do to prevent russian meddling in the election this year. and all of that has been lost in this conversation about not just carter page and the memo, but about whether trump is just using the republicans to cover his own behind. we need to make sure there's not a taint in this election. >> you would agree, you were a russia hawk when you were in the senate, you would agree, the united states needs to do more to prevent meddling in the election? >> no, look, absolutely. i think the fact that the russians tried to meddle in this election should be no surprise to anybody. we should have countermeasures to try to prevent them and mess with them as much as we can on
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our side. >> nothing is being done, though. >> i agree with you, i think we have lost focus on that and we should focus more. >> the part of the russian meddling, it is going to be very hard for the prosecution to even come close to collusion. that is a near impossibility. but where the russians did meddle, and i think we conflate these, is using social media and cyber means. >> misinformation. >> misinformation, which is interesting. we watched them do this in the '70s and '80s. they used to do it by sending a spy, trying to recruit a reporter to write a story. now they can talk to you in your living room on social media. and that's the part of that we have to get our arms around. >> many people say that's still continuing. so we do have an election a few months away, and really that's what our efforts need to be. and i don't see that coming from the republican leadership, any concern about the elections for the midterm. that's where our focus needs to be. >> i was just going to say, a quick example. the russians were sending out
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in just a few hours the philadelphia eagles will face off with that team some of you might have heard about from new england. while i know who i'm rooting for -- fly eagles fly -- president trump is staying uncharacteristically silent. that's the subject of today's state of the cartoonion. the eagles versus the patriots. everyone is picking a side including white house insiders such a kellyanne conway, an eagles fan from south jersey. >> i'll just say that the underdog here is the eagles. and you know me, i love an underdog. the patriots are like that woman whose name i don't mention on tv anymore. >> she's placing bets against john kelly. >> i'm going to prevail. >> what about president trump? will he bet on the gritty underdog or the establishment
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team? he's had a long bromance with patriots star tom brady. >> we love winners, right? so a great winner. tom brady. tom brady. right? >> but their relationship has been, shall we say, deflated, since president trump took on nfl players who kneel during the national anthem to protest police brutality. >> get that son of a [ bleep ] off the field. he's fired. >> i certainly disagree with what he said and thought it was just divisive. >> a new poll shows more americans are rooting for the underdog eagles. but as president trump well knows, in sports as in presidential politics, it's not the popular vote that counts. >> we had a victory that nobody thought was possible. >> i don't want to alienate my good friends in new england, so i'll keep this positive. the philadelphia eagles have shown more grit, character, and courage this season than most folks i cover on a regular
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this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria, coming to you live from new york. we'll begin today's show with the nunes memo. the words that are further dividing official washington. what to make of it. i have a great panel to discuss.


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