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to make a deal but we'll find out. as congress considers immigration reform, it's essential that we listen to the law enforcement professionals in this room today and so i'm going to turn it over to secretary nielsen. we'll begin a discussion. you folks might want to stay for a little while, okay? secretary? >> yes. mr. president, thank you for hosting this round table on ms-13. as you know, it's the first gang dangerous enough to be classified as a trans-national criminal organization. we've talked at length of the devastating destruction and violence it causes in our communities and we're here today to hear from a variety of folks who work every day to combat this. first i would like to say it's my privilege to be here, the men and women of dhs and doj, who make it their job every day to fight this and other violence coming across our borders and also to be joined by members of congress who have shown great leadership. we thank you for that and also for your support. thank you all. in your recently announced framework, as you know, you
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asked congress to close loopholes you just talked about. you talk about ms-13, you have two or three main vehicles. the first is we have an inadmissibility problem. when they come to our border, i have to let them in. i cannot keep them out by virtue of them being in a gang. once we catch them and remove them, i cannot by virtue of them income a gang. >> by the way, this is unique to our country. it's got to change. >> so the framework you proposed will close these. i remain hopeful to work with congress on your behalf and the administration's behalf to close these and other loop holes to secure our borders and our communities. without going into further detail i would like to turn this over to the acting assistant attorney general for doj's criminal division who will walk us through a bit more of ms-13. >> thank you, secretary nielsen. >> you were listening to the president, you heard them mention ms-13, and the gang.
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you heard that a lot from the president. what i really want to hone in on -- thanks, by the way, for watching. i'm brooke baldwin with cnn. talking about dreamers and this impending daca deal. what's ruffling some feathers is that the president's own chief of staff has just made -- we had the audio. i want you to listen and then talk about it on the other side. >> there are 690,000 official daca renlg stra daca registrants. to 1.8 million. the difference between 690 and 1.8 million were the people that some would say were too afraid to sign up, others would say were too lazy to get off their asses but they didn't sign up. the president shockingly said okay, 1.8 million. and the biggest shock was in a
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path to citizenship. that's beyond what anyone could have imagined. >> dana bash is with me. let's just jump on into it. it's the words. too afraid, too lazy to get off their asses, language come frth chief of staff at the white house. >> exactly. and the sentiment of it, what he was talking about in a vacuum, without those words, should be something that the white house is touting to the democrats. >> giving the president credit. >> exactly. conservatives are not happy about it, but giving the president credit, at least those who he was speaking about. and the reason is because what he was saying is what the president's proposal offers is people who have already come out of the shadows and have been allowed to stay legally, can stay legally. but in addition to that, it's about 1 million other people who did not do so at the time when
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president obama made this possible. the language is everything. let's just be honest. >> words matter. >> too afraid? absolutely. and that is likely, according to so much reporting that we have done and conversations i'm sure you've had with dreamers and with others, that a lot of people didn't come out of the shadows, didn't put all their information in there, because they were worried about exactly what is going to happen, which is march 5th is going to come, in less than a month, and they are not guaranteed at this point that they are not going to have everything that they have given up, all the information that they've given up be used to deport them. the too lazy to get off their asses. >> some would say too lazy to get off their asses but still. >> clearly, he was talking to reporters on the fly. he was not prepared to do a
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press conference. i think that that is even more shocking because that was on his brain. >> instantly go back to the s-hole comments, right, from the president, and we had that whole cycle of conversation over that. >> exactly. this is a language coming from the white house. how does that gum up any negotiation over immigration between the two parties? >> i don't know. we'll see. i think the thing to keep in mind is that this will be certainly used by the people who are on the, for lack of a better way to say it, pro dreamer side, those doing what they can to make sure that, again, those who signed up, but even those that the president is identifying, the full 1.8 -- estimated 1.8 million pool could stay. the flip side we have to
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remember is that the conservative base that helped elect president trump is so opposed to what he proposed, about allowing any of them to stay legally. they consider it amnesty, they consider it a broken campaign promise and many of them will listen to what john kelly said and say -- >> he's right. >> atta boy. so that's sort of the lens we have to remember to look at this through, even though what you kind of put your finger on is really important, that we are at a very sensitive time in the negotiations, about what to do legislative and legal ly, going forward with these dreamers. >> we wanted to lead with that. that had just come out. i have one more for you. moments from now, the white house press briefing will begin and they'll give an update on if and when the president will release what's being called the
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rebuttal memo, democratic response to the contested republican memo released last year. the president views that memo as a, quote, vindication in the whole russia investigation. this democratic memo which, by the way, is six pages longer than the republican version, goes point by point, to counter the accusations nunes made. a source close to the process says that the president is likely to authorize its declassification if the fbi and intelligence community sign off. that, though, is not easing concerns. democratic memo's author says it's not if the memo is released but how. will any redaxs be based upon protecting sources or protecting the president? >> what i'm more concerned about, alisyn, is that they make political redaxs, not redaxs to protect sources or methods, which you've asked the
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department of justice and fbi to do but redaxs that they think is unfavorable to the president. that could be a real problem. and that's our main concern at this point. >> so, again, dana, honing in on the point, a source tells jeremy diamond, our reporter at the white house, that they'll accept the recommendations of the fbi on this memo but is this not the same president who, when the fbi said grave concerns over the republican memo, said release it? >> yes. every time we talk about both memos, we have to be very, very clear and remind people over and over again that these are politic al documents. that this is something that if there was such concern from the intelligence committee, whose job it is to oversee such important matters as fisa warrants, inherently infringe on people's rights because i think there's a national security reason to do so. the republican memo, started with the republican memo, to be fair, and followed up with the democratic rebuttal.
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they are political documents. having said that -- so, i think we should remember that. therefore it is not a surprise president trump was caught on camera during the state of the union, 100% we're going to release it, before he even read it. now he's saying, wait, wait, wait, let's read the democrats' memo. john kelly told a pool of reporters that president trump has not yet read the democrats' memo but will be briefed on it later today. he also said it is quite lengthy. >> dana, you're so good. thank you so much for rolling me with off the top there. appreciate it. a quick look at the big board. the dow sitting around 24,000. you guys took my box down. there we go. 24,000, down about 110 points. two more hours to go before that bell. another highly volatile day. the dow sufferng its largest single-day point loss ever.
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here is what the stock market's worst day look like, shedding nearly 1200 points after falling more than 1500, dow fell below its 20,000 mark, reee racing all of its gains of 2018. as president trump was speaking in ohio, boasting his successful economic program. always quick to tout the strong economy. the president has so far stayed pretty quiet on the volatility over the last 24 hours. president trump's own treasury secretary did have this to say. >> i'm not overly concerned about the market volatility. i think the fundamentals are strong. >> claiming credit for the markets going up. will they claim credit when the markets go down? >> again, i think we'll claim credit for the fact that it's up over 30% since the election. >> reporter for bloomberg, and
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neil irwin, senior political reporter for "the new york times." annie, help us understand the disconnect. main street has been doing great. wages are on the rise. economy has been strong. why, then, wall street spooked? >> it seems counter intuitive. all these factors point to a strong economy. what you see in an environment where other indicators are showing you, like wage growth, that the economy is strong, is now there are some tremors that maybe we'll see more interest rates rising, more quickly than we may have imagined earlier. and you get a little bit of a panic in the stock market. >> i want to come back to the interest rates. everyone's ears perk when you talk about that. it is interesting how a 1,000-point drop isn't as dramatic, percentage wise, as it once was since the dow is up so high. >> worth some perspective, we're back to mid december levels in
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terms of the stock market. dow jones industrial average up around 25,000, a few hundred points isn't what it used to be. if you have a mental model of a few hundred points is a lot, not the way it was a few years ago. this is decreasing people's wealth but only compared to where it was a few weeks ago and not the kind of radical crash that you might really worry about. >> again just a reminder, as we talk about all of this. the dow is not the economy, yet. when people see all the red and the numbers dropping, there has to be some sort of psychological impact, which is what on everyday americans? >> that's right. if you look at your 401(k) after such a stock market route you will feel panicky. there are many factors in the economy. what the stock market is doing is not the only measure. over time, these fluctuations happen. it's not a portrait of what's going on, what will go on forever. >> neil, how realistic is it for
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interest rates -- annie mentioned interest rates a moment ago. for them to consistently stay janet yellen low? >> doesn't look like that will be the case. what's driving this market correction is higher wage growth, suggesting inflation will be higher in the year ahead, federal reserve may have to raise interest rates higher than it has been. that will mean higher wages, higher inflation, higher interest rates. maybe bad news if you're a company paying higher wages. if you get your income from a paycheck that's good news rather than bad. >> annie and neil, thank you very much. breaking news here, 14 preapproved yes or no questions. steve bannon lawyers are saying the white house is demanding before bannon goes behind closed doors to appear. also will he sit down with the special counsel? a number of his lawyers reportedly urging him to avoid
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such an interview over the fear he could perjure himself. from the president's chief of staff, john kelly, telling reporter that dreamers who didn't sign up for daca were either too lazy or to afraid to get off their asses, direct quote. joaquin castro joins me live to respond next. no, please, please, oh! ♪ (shrieks in terror) (heavy breathing and snorting) no, no. the running of the bulldogs? surprising. what's not surprising? how much money aleia saved by switching to geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. wemost familiar companies,'s but we make more than our name suggests. we're an organic tea company. a premium juice company.
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and we're back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. one of the most partisan issues gripping capitol hill, the vote to release democrat memo in response to the republican memo. now it is up to the president to
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decide if it will go public. a source tells cnn if the fbi signs off, the president will not stand in the way. so, joining me now, house intelligence committee member and democrat joaquin castro from texas. congre congressman, nice to have you back on. >> thank you for having me. >> again, just a reminder to everyone, you and your committee voted to release this memo. are you, at all, concerned that president trump will refuse to declassify this democratic rebuttal? >> i am, actually. i'm concerned about a few things. number one, that he might refuse to release it completely or that if he releases it, it could be so heavily redacted it would take away from the ability of the american people to really understand and grasp all of the points of the memo. remember, this is a president who, on many issues, is basically beyond shame at this point. any sense of fairness or thoroughness for the sake of the investigation, i think, is questionable, for the white house.
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>> going with your first point if the president says no, what's the democrat's response? >> technically, we would have the opportunity, i believe in the house of representatives to vote to put the memo out. but you would probably lose that vote, right? you would get outvoted. the president could essentially keep the democratic memo bottled up if he wanted to. >> and then to your point about, you know, redacting sections, what's the message there, politics? >> i think it could be. you know, it depends what they take out. if it's so heavily redacted you can hardly understand it, then a lot of it would be politics. part of the reason i say that is, remember, devin nunes memo was sprung among the committee on a monday at 5:00 without any real notice to democrats about the fact that we're going to be taking a vote on that memo. it's also basically a political document as many americans have come to see for themselves. >> to be fair, i think it's
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political, both ways you cut it. on that original republican nunes memo, congressman, he says that memo vindicates him, which is false, and a lot of republicans have pushed back against that. why, congressman castro, do you think the president says this, believes this? >> i think the president has never believed that the russia investigation had any credibility from the beginning. and he has continually said that there's been no collusion. beyond that, he really doesn't address any deeper questions about the investigation and has also -- the white house has refused to allow at least a few witnesses to speak freely to our committee about a lot of the issues we're investigating. it's hard for me to completely understand the state of mind of the president of the united states. but he has shown that he has been very political in his actions and, of course, in his words. >> let's talk about steve bannon, who gets now this
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extension as of today to appear before your committee, cnn sources tell us that bannon wasn't planning on appearing because the white house and committee haven't reached an agreement over the scope of the question ing and now we're hearing from adam schiff that bannon's lawyer has said the white house is only permitting bannon to answer these 14 preapproved yes or no questions on russia. what do you think, congressman castro, is the white house's strategy there? >> i think the strategy of the white house and folks like devin nunes and others is to protect the president from any kind of liability. that's what the devin nunes' memo was about. >> can you be specific? >> three specific things, money laundering, collusion and obstruction of justice. he has real things he has to
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deal with on those three fronts. >> let me move on to the comments that have just been made public by white house chief of staff general john kelly. he is talking about the president agreeing to allow a larger pool of immigrants, 1.8 million number versus those who essentially had come out of the shadows and registered that the dreamers, 700,000 dreamers. first, here is john kelly. >> there are 690,000 official daca ren daca registrants and the president sent over what amounts to be 2.5 times that number, 1.8 million. the difference between 690 and 1.8 million some would say were too afraid to sign up, others would say too lazy to get off their asses and sign up. the president said shocking lie
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1.8 million and then the biggest shock was a path to citizenship. that's beyond what anyone could have imagined. >> to lazy to get off their asses. congressman, your response? >> yeah. you know, just like many things about this administration, they're needlessly callous toward people and disrespectful towards folks and, you know, i'm disappointed that john kelly would describe people in that way. he did get one point right. there were people too afraid to come forward and give the government all their information because they feared eventually an administration like the donald trump information would use that information to come after them. by all accounts that is still quite possible in the coming months if we pass march 5g9 and there's no daca compromise we reach in this congress. they need to look in the mirror when they wonder about the
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reason why so many people have been scared, in fear and living with a lot of anxiety over the last year. >> congressman, it wasn't too long ago when we heard about the reported comments of s-hole countries coming from the president himself and now this language, coming from the chief of staff. you tell me, since you're there and doing the wheeling and dealing, do you think this kind of language out of the white house will affect negotiations on immigration? >> it's just not helpful. any kind of language like that, it's very disrespectful and callous. it's not helpful in the process. any time there's a legislative template or bill that starts to gain a little bit of momentum in congress, the white house seems to go out of its way despite that effort, even though they're bipartisan efforts and say we won't take that. it's a nonstarter. that's not also been helpful in getting this thing done. >> let's talk about what the president said, describing members of your party sitting there last week during the state of the union.
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here is the president. >> even positive news, really positive news like that, they were like death sband unamerica. someone said treasonous. why not? can we call that treason? why not? >> sarah sanders has come out today, quoting her, he was clearly joking. was he joking, in your opinion? >> a lot of things that he says, i think he actually means but his spokespeople go on later and say don't make a big deal about it. you just don't have a sense of humor. he was joking. he's not a king. he's a president. this is not a kingdom. many people did clap. all of us, i think, stood up. i know i did, for all the guests he introduced and all the
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wonderful things they've done and overcome in their lives. but there are a lot of things that people sitting in that chamber disagree with the president on. >> why not applaud, congressman, improved employment numbers? i do want to ask that. >> i think you did see a lot of people applaud that. i think you also saw some people who are still very skeptical of the president's efforts and how he's approaching economic problems, social challenges, certainly the immigration issue and that was reflected in what you saw the other night, you know. and that's happened to every president who has given a speech up there. people were very respectful of this president. nobody stood up and yelled "you lie" at donald trump the way they did at president barack obama. >> you're right. although folks on the other side would, you're right, call it rude. we played the state of union in 2013. on unemployment democrats were all up and republicans weren't. politics.
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glad you're doing your job and i'm not the one stuck doing it. >> and, for the record -- >> yeah? >> unemployment levels, low unemployment levels are good. that is something that the administration can be proud of. >> right. >> that they celebrate. >> worthy of applause. congressman, thank you so much for your time. a reminder to all of you watching, tune in 8:00 tonight, former vice president joe biden sits down with chris cuomo to talk to, speaking of, division around the country and the big question, will he won in 2020? the exclusive interview tonight at 8:00 on ac 360. ahead, president trump says he's willing to speak with special counsel robert mueller. said that publicly. there are new reports to indicate his lawyers want him to avoid such a meeting because they're afraid that the president of the united states will lie under oath. and we are standing by for that white house briefing to begin. of course, including waiting for questions over whether the president will release this democratic rebuttal to the nunes
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new reporting on the russia investigation. president trump's lawyers are concerned, it's reported, that they're afraid he could lie and perjure himself but the president has said he would voluntarily sit down with mueller. >> would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of events? >> 100%. we'll see what happens. certainly i'll see what happens.
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when they have no collusion and no one has found collusion at any level, it seems unlikely you would have an interview. >> i'm looking forward to it. >> is there a date set? >> that's no collusion whatsoever, no obstruction whatsoever and i'm looking forward to it. >> do you have a date set? >> they're two to three weeks. i have to say subject to my lawyers and all of that but i would love to do it. >> let's bring in cnn contributor garret graff, war on global terror author. there's at least one of the lawyers, ty cobb, the low man on an island saying no, we should fully cooperate with team mueller. what do you make so far on the legal team's advice?
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>> i think it's consistent with what we've seen so far, public announcements of total cooperation and behind the scenes roadblocking and. >> you write about the knowns. bob mueller's investigation is farther along than you think and point out these five different branches in this investigation. you walk me through them. >> we talked about bob mueller's investigation as a thing but it's really five different probes in one. you have an investigation into sort of prior business dealings and money laundering, which is what has led to the indictments of paul manafort and rick gates. there's sort of some hints that
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there are investigations into -- from buzz feed's reporting, some suspicious payments from the russian embassy into the united states as well. and russian information, the bots and trolls we saw on facebook and twitter. third after of this investigation is the active cyber intrusions by sfb and gru hacking teams we know is cozy bear and fancy bear that hacked john podesta's e-mail, that penetrated the dnc and notably, we should remember, rnc, but never saw those e-mails surface, which is an interesting set of questions unto themselves. >> i see four and five. i want to ask you of the five, which of the five do you think the president worries about the
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most? >> well, obviously, i think the president's worry is the obstruction of justice investigation. because it goes directly to his own behavior in the firing of fbi director robert mueller and his pressure, as comey has laid out to, quote, unquote, look past the investigation of michael flynn. >> you make note of something worth repeating. i like to say out loud there's so much we don't know on this investigation. you point out that flynn and papadopoulos' information in exchange for plea deals, that hasn't been made public yet. >> very little evidence that we know that bob mueller knows that we don't yet. in some ways that's the most significant aspect of this investigation.
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we know that bob mueller knows that there's a lot more to this that he hasn't told us yet. >> totally agree. garret graff, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. next, more on our breaking news. backlash erupting over democrats, chief of staff remarks on dreamers, suggesting that thousands who never signed up for daca are lazy. another ominous sign in immigration negotiations. we've got that also an nfl player tragically killed by a suspected drunk driver and now president trump is seizing upon the driver's history of deportation to push his own immigration agenda. we'll get the facts behind this case. if you've been diagnosed with cancer,
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that driver was in the country illegally, from guatemala, being deported twice. president trump taking to twitter writing so disgraceful that a person illegally in our country killed colts linebacker edwin jackson. this is just one of many such preventable tragedies. we must get dems to get tough on the border and with illegal immigration fast. live in indianapolis for us, we know that the suspect was in court today. what did you find out? >> hi, brooke. that appearance was very brief, lasting ten minutes, what's called an advertisement of rights hearing. the judge, through a translator, informed the defendant that he had accepted a request for a 72-hour continuance. the state has until tomorrow to formally charge him. he is sxeked back here in court tomorrow to hear those charges. that's also when we could hear a
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plea from him. little more information. he first arrived in the u.s. illegally in 2004. he was arrested in california in 2005 for drunk driving and, as you mentioned, he reported twice in 2007 and 2009. this is a story that is tailor made for president trump and his allies and tough stance that he has been promoting for years now. you saw a strong tweet from him this morning and you saw a tweet from vice president mike pence, governor of indiana. after that initial one, trump sent another tweet, my prayers and kol dolenses are with the family of edwin jackson, a wonderful young man whose life
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was so senselessly taken. an undocumented immigrant who had been deported twice. this goes to the argument the president has been making about the need to toughen immigration polic policy. >> i'm sure this will come up in the briefing at the white house. athena jones, thank you very much. next, breaking news. white house moments away from facing reporters as democrats are blasting this man, chief of staff of the white house, john kelly. he has suggested that thousands of dreamers, who never actually signed up for daca, are lazy. this, as we get word of another ominous sign in immigration negotiations. yes, we are twins. when i went on to ancestry, i just put in the name of my parents and my grandparents. i was getting all these leaves and i was going back generation after generation. you start to see documents and you see signatures of people that you've never met. i mean, you don't know these people, but you feel like you do. you get connected to them. i wish that i could get into a time machine
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all right. we're back with some breaking news, both specifically on daca and the dreamers and explicit comments getting all kinds of reaction, including democratic congressman joaquin phoenix, calling it callous, what the chief of staff has said about a number of people in this country illegally. but first, joaquin castro -- sorry about that. first, brian carron, political analyst is with us. brian, the president made a little bit of news when saying this about a government sutdown. >> frankly, i'll go a step further. if we don't change the legislation, get rid of these loopholes where killers are allowed to come into our country and continue to kill, gang members -- we're just talking about ms-13.
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there are many gang members that we don't even mention. if we don't change it, let's do a shut ydown and it's worth it r our country if we don't get this stuff taken care of. >> i would love to see a shutdown. let's have a shutdown. that say wow moment. why say that? >> reporter: first of all, every immigrant in this country isn't a killer, thug and a thief and he has equated all immigrants, put them in that category. when the crime rate in the immigrant communities are smaller than the general community. once you've accused all the democrats of being treasonous, you're going to find it hard to reach a bipartisan agreement on anything on the hill these days. maybe he's preemptively saying that because of what he said during a speech yesterday. i mean, with this president,
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you're never really sure. there's always something that is behind something that's behind something that's behind something. and the problem is with that statement, not only is it a wow that you want to have a shutdown, who wants to shut down the government? seriously. >> right. >> you don't want to shut down the government. the other part of that wow, like i said, is that not every immigrant is a killer. the idea of even saying that is so offensive on so many levels that, you know, it just -- it prompts a wow. >> right. listen, i don't know what the president is thinking. i do know he was telling us this story about indianapolis colt player and maybe in that case, you know -- but certainly, you're right, people are here for all kinds of incredibly valid and patriotic reasons. let me come back to you. on these immigration negotiations, we do have an update from one key senator, phil mattingly has been watching all of this for us on capitol hill. senator lindsey graham. this, coming from senator
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graham, is significant in and of itself. tell me what he said. >> he's pessimistic, pretty downtrodden, making it clear what the path forward would be for a long-term daca resolution that the point in time, he doesn't actually see it. brooke, that jives largely from what i've seen from aides in both parties right now. there will be a senate debate on an immigration bill next week. that will be an open debate. majority leader from the republican party said a short while ago that will be fair and balanced. he won't try to tilt it one way or the other but the senate does not make law. the senate makes a bill and then they have to decide what the house is going to do and what the president is going to do. why there's such a divide right now, brooke, look at the proposal on daca. basically nonstarters at this point for democrats have to be
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in there for the president to support t the house and speaker paul ryan said again this morning, the house will not move forward on anything related to daca unless the president supports it. that's where you have this divide right now. senators are going into next week's debate with grand expectations they can get something done in a bipartisan way, think back to the last immigration debate. it withered on the vine over in the house. i think that's what senator graham is looking at right now, deeply involved in that process and again in this process and in terms of the prospects of a long-term or permanent solution, there's no clear pathway right now. that's what he is reflecting and, frankly, what he's hearing from people on capitol hill. they don't know how to get to that end game. they know everybody wants to get there, just not sure how to do it. >> thank you. brian, back over to you at the white house. i want to play what the chief of staff, john kelly, said a while ago. >> there are 690,000 official
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daca registrants and the president sent over what amounts to be 2 1/2 times that number to 1.8 million. the difference between 690 and 1.8 million were the people that, some would say, were too afraid to sign up, others would say were too lazy to get off their asses, but they didn't sign up. the president shockingly said okay, 1.8 million and probably the biggest shock was in a path to citizenship. that's beyond what anyone could have imagined. >> wow! >> some saying too lazy to get off their asses. i've said this out loud three or four times throughout the show, discussing this. i still can't quite wrap my head around the language. he's making this overarching point, hey, the president did something a lot of folks in our base didn't do, added all those hundreds of thousands of folks in this country who didn't give the government their information, making it that 1.8
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million number. but still. what? >> give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses. oh, hell with it. they're too lazy to get off their arses. what? where does the level of political discourse gone in this country? such a disrespect to those coming here to seek a better life. i'm only second generation here, brooke. to sit there and say they're too lazy to -- maybe they're too afraid of what's happening in this country. maybe they're scared. i have dealt with stories in montgomery county, prince georges county, maryland, where people are afraid they're going to be shipped out at any day and they've been here for, you know, what, 20, 30, 40 years. there's a palpable, real fear brought about by this administration. and this administration has a disconnect between the things that they do and say and what happens when they do and say
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them. and they haven't come to grips with that yet. >> we are minutes away from that briefing. we'll look for you in there. you've got a lot to ask of sarah sanders. >> yes, we do. >> the white house is about to weigh in on all of this moments from now. we'll be right back.
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