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imagine tillerson saying, i hope trump finds out he's impeached on twitter. who says breaking up is hard to do when you break the news like this. jeanne moos, cnn. >> it makes sense when you consider he hired him on tinder. >> ac 360 starts now. >> a great deal to cover tonight. the race in pennsylvania. and we begin with breaking news on the stormy daniels front. we have been focusing on who knew what and when. new documents contained exclusively by this broadcast suggest a deeper link to the trump organization and efforts to ensure stephanie clifford
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keeps quiet about it. another one of trump's attorneys is involved in the ongoing legal battle. had this is one of the documents. it is a demand for arbitration. she lists her address as 1 trump national drive. it is signed by an attorney named jill a. martin. there is not much room for doubt that ms. martin has been an employee for trump. this is her linked in page and here is her california state bar page. as far as arbitration grows and a declaration labelled highly confidential. those initials stand for
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essential consultant the company created by trump lawyer michael cohen. which ms. daniels began in 2006. mr. cohen has continued to deny the affair ever happened. either the trump organization nor the trump campaign was party to the transaction the trump organization may not have been a party to that transaction but pretty clear one of its attorneys is involved in this case and not the first time she has defended donald trump. here she is just after the access hollywood tape surfaced.
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>> none of us would ever imagine that he would ever do anything like this. i believe him when he says he didn't do anything inappropriate with women. >> an action could brought without any advanced notice. we are going to talk to attorney avenatti. as previously reported lawrence rosen a new york attorney is representing ec, llc in the arbitration. the trump organization is not representing anyone and with the exception of one of its california based attorneys in her individual cavity facilitating the initial filing pending the pro -- explain this.
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michael cohen said all along the trump is not a party to this. and then forwarded that to his private e-mail address to then communicate with stormy daniels' former attorney. this is a new trump employee, jill martin, new to this saga. >> oh, what a tangle web we weave when we practice to t deceive. for months we have heard from mr. cohen that there was no linkage between ec, llc and the trump organization. mr. trump maintained that he formed that llc on his own. >> that he did it out of
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loyalty. >> he expects the american people to believe that he spent all this time and energy doing all of this work and the president knew anything about it and no one in the organization knew anything about it. the trump organization e-mails. we now have these documents. the statement that was provided by ms. martin is demonstratively false. the first document that you showed your viewers, it designates ms. martin as a legal representative of ec, llc. >> and she is a full time employee as evidence by the state bar. and so there can be no question that the trump organization was
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representing ec, llc in connection with this arbitration and we need to remember the focus of the arbitration. the focus of this filing in february was to gag my client, put a muzzle on her and prevent her from speaking and that is why they filed the arbitration to obtain what is called a temporary restraining order. so this idea that there is a separation between ec, llc and donald trump and the trump organization is a complete and utter fiction. >> so i do not understand why michael cohen, if he was acting in his own capacity as a private individual and not as a member of the trump organization, why he would reach out to the general counsel of the trump organization to get involved in this arbitration. i mean, there is plenty of lawyers in l.a.
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he could have reached out to. >> we have more lawyers than you can imagine. and some might describe it as a nightmare. but it is bizarre to us that in fact they would reach out to ms. martin in in fact the trump organization had nothing to do with it. it makes no sense. the american people, we are crossing the rubicon now where the american people are seeing documents and being presented with facts and evidence. people are start. they are not stupid. they can judge for themselves when people are being honest with them. >> i want to bring in our chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. money from the home equity line credit as he claims, wuould he o
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to general counsel, jill martin. >> michael cohen, is incredibly cheap and he didn't want to retain a lawyer. and i think that is part of it. but the other part of it is this is a trump enterprise to keep stormy daniels quiet. >> no doubt about it? >> it has to be. there is a lot of facts and figures coming up. and the significant that jill martin of this document is february 22nd 2018. it is a month ago. this is a trump enterprise ongoing from trying to keep stormy daniels from telling her story. micha michael cohen is involved in this tday-to-day. this is a trump project to keep stormy daniels quiet.
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obviously, i never spoke to stormy daniels. you all have. and i don't know the underlying truth here of what went on between donald trump and stormy daniels if anything. but what is quite clear is not just michael cohen, but the trump organization is trying to keep her quiet. >> and let me add this. jeff brings up a good point relating to this document. the statement you placed before your viewers, pre dated it. >> already saying this is not a trump organization operation. >> exactly. weeks prior to february 22nd, 2018. and weeks later, jill martin signs this document. >> let me put up this michael
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cohen statement again. this is michael cohen february 13. in a private transaction in 2016, i used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to ms. stephanie clifford neither the trump organization, and it goes on. >> now, what i assume jill martin would say was i wasn't really involved in the litigation. she uses the phrase pro hoc which refers to, the act of allowing an out of town lawyer to appear in your state. she will say, and that is implied in her statement, i wasn't involved in the litigation. i was helping mr. rosen the real
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lawyer appear here because he is not a california lawyer. and out of all the lawyers in california to help you get your point across, why too you pick someone in the trump organization unless this is a trump organization initiative. >> i suppose mr. cohen could also say and again we reached out to him and not heard back, that because he wanted this to remain confidential, that is why he did it. >> maintain the confidences of those clients. so the idea that this was the only attorney in the entire state of california that would maintain confidence is nonsense. >> and it would be the last person you would involve. you would never go to a trump organization person. you would go to anyone but.
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>> michael cohen as far as i know is a trained attorney. why would a trained attorney make this statement in early february, or mid february, saying the trump organization has nothing to do with it. and after making that statement, it got a lot of coverage, why would any licensed attorney reach out to the organization. >> between, to play lawyer here, he might say that statement was only applied to who was paying. the trump organization didn't pay. this is not an acknowledgement that the trump organization actually paid any money. i am trying to torture the words. >> but it is example, according to both of you that the trump organization is involved in this ongoing effort. >> for all intents and purposes, every piece of actual evidence demonstrates that ec, llc equals
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the trump organization/donald trump. that is what the evidence shows. that is what the email shows and this you want document shows. >> the reason why anybody should care who the people are, is the question who paid this hush money and why. michael cohen has been saying this was just me. trump, candidate trump, the trump organization had nothing to do with it. these documents they don't prove but suggest that the trump organization has been infinitely involved in the effort of keeping stormy daniels quiet. >> you still don't know where the money came from. >> not yet. thus far when we have attempted to test the voracity of the
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statements of michael cohen, he has failed each time and confident that he is going to fail that one as well. >> thank you. i appreciate it. more on that. and next, the latest on the too close to call the race in pennsylvania. waves of kids walk out of their schools in a nationwide effort to bring attention to gun violence and safety. i will show you where it happened and how big it was. , the fastest network ever. preorder the new samsung galaxy s9 for half off. ♪ say carl, we have a question about your brokerage fees. fees? what did you have in mind? i don't know. $4.95 per trade? uhhh. and i was wondering if your brokerage offers some sort of guarantee? guarantee? where we can get our fees and commissions back if we're not happy. so can you offer me what schwab is offering?
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if you need help lowering your a1c and blood sugar, activate your within. ask your doctor about once-weekly trulicity. the president returns to a different white house with a new economic adviser on the way in and a number of other officials potentially on the way out. washington also is facing a different reality tonight. a lot of republicans on capitol hill concerned about what they have seen in the race in pennsylvania. a race which is still at this point too close to call. it does seem the democrat is in the lead. i want to bring in -- first let's go to jeff zeleny standing by at the white house. >> reporter: no question the white house quickly moved to distance himself what appears to
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be a loss. the president was talking about how he won the district by 20 points. they were afraid of getting blown out there. but the reality is the white house not surprisingly blaming it on saccone saying he was not a good candidate for this moment. not taking responsibility for the fact the president, he may have helped drive turn out at the end but his policies over the last year certainly excited democrats far more. >> even if the president was campaigning in pennsylvania last week and for saccone, the white house already had tried to distance themselves from the candidate. >> reporter: we did. and the white house has practice with this. in alabama, most prominently
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with the senate race there. of course roy moore loss. blaming the candidate again, not talking about their own policies. one of the reasons the president was raising money again tonight in st. louis. i am told $2 million. the question is he better off, better use of his time to be a closed door fundraiser. not big rallies. when he does the rallies he excites the other side. >> jeff, thank you very much. joining us is paul begala and adviser, steve cortez. because of the results, why, i mean why should this send them into a panic.
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>> although president trump is reasonably popular in that district, which he won by 20 points, he is still above water there. he couldn't save rick saccone. if you are a congressional republican, even in a district like this which is 94% white, and three out of five of those white people have only a high school education. and president trump couldn't save him there. >> a will tlot of republicans lt said after trump spoke, saccones
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numbers went up. >> i don't know if he saved him. >> i would be in a race. >> i think what we learned from last night, tip o'neill taught us that all politics is local. and what we also saw on the democrat side is that conor lamb is a far better politician than hillary clinton was. likeable, moderate. and i will be the first to say, am i worry about the fall? of course i am. and you know why, history. history says that is extremely likely. >> we heard a lot from the white house today saying the reason lamb won is because he essentially is donald trump light. he embraced the president.
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>> that is so dumb. what steve is saying, is really smart. >> i mean, rand said he didn't support nancy pelosi. he wasn't out there talking about climate change. >> there are important lessons here. he is pro union, pro medicare, pro roe v wade. >> there is a bill up in congress that restricted the woman's right to choose. and the most important thing is he attacked the trump tax cuts. and then they stopped advertising it. they were losing on their signature accomplishment. smart republicans are looking at this and saying this is not heart burn. this is a heart attack. >> are you arguing along with the white house that he is trump
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light? >> i think he is a sensible democrat and i would say there are not many sensible democrats. there is not a lot of conor lambs out there. a lot more nancy pelosis and elizabeth warren. he mentioned something about his grandparent's. conor lamb is an attempt to get that kind of voter back. ton of those voters. >> i am worried about the fall quite frankly and i think history tells you you should be. >> because of trump? >> no. because of history. because of what happens generally in the first midterm. but i am not at all worried
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about donald trump. if he would have been running in that district, donald trump would have won. >> what about that some people are concerned that it can energize the base but also the opposition too. >> that is the problem. the person who voted for trump and now are disappointed in him. i read the stories. those are interesting people, but not that interesting analytically. what is more interesting is the trump voters who are now conor lamb voters. >> i mean, to steve's point there is not a lot of conor lambs or are there? >> a very talented in alabama. and in virginia. democrat party is a big tent.
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the democrat party came in and spend a million dollars to support him. republican party has become a cult of personality. democrat party is learning that we need to be a bad idea. >> tell that to -- look, here is why i am not worried about 2020. conor lamb can never win on a national basis. the democratic party nationally is far too left. and instead. >> i have to laugh. because steve is an expert on my party. >> has not the democrat party moved to the left? >> it waxes and wanes. absolutely. the thing that is most impressive about conor lamb's victory is that people who are voting for trump already are
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quitting on him. mostly it has been college educated white people. here, the college educated white people who have been republicans, they are switching and switched for history. now we are seeing, not a ton. i have had a belly full of trump's tax cuts and policies. >> is that base on policy or personal chaos in the white house. >> chaos don't help. but democrats who run on medicare and social security are going to win. >> i appreciate it. thanks. the former director of national intelligence, james clapper coming up next. be right back. when this bell rings... starts a chain reaction... ...that's heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business,
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the house intelligence committee plans to vote next week. republicans on the committee already hedging about their own conclusion. two nights ago, you may remember monday night republicans on the committee saying they were shutting down their russia probe after concluding that there was no collusion. now, remember this committee is chaired by devin nunes who is exposed working with the white house to uncover false allegation that he was working with president obama. they reportedly didn't even believe that russia's meddling
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had the purpose of helping donald trump as a candidate. then yesterday key members of the committee already started backing away from that. trey gowdy -- conaway said whether one is -- mr. trump get elected is a quote glass half full, glass half empty. whatever that means. now on monday i asked. and he said he knew better than james clapper. >> i have done something now that he has not ton and i have done a couple of days out at the cia and reading the raw intelligence. reading what we were basing this on and when we release that report, we are going to show the cia got it wrong. just like they did in the gulf
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war. >> with me now is director james clapper. is he in a position to read raw data and interpret it more accurately than the officers or analysts? >> he is certainly entitled to access to anything he sees the need for. the report we did, the highly classified version in january of 2017. and i don't agree with his feignedin findings here. and i take a moment to say how this was done. we took a team from the three agencies, nsa, fbi and cia who are steeped in russia and
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understand what goes on in russia and understands putin. that was augmented by two or three people from my staff. this was not done by gjim clapper, and mike rogers. these are professional civil servants career officers in the intelligence committee. i don't know how he knows what i read or what i was exposed to 14 or 15 months ago and to say i didn't read anything. i reviewed this reporting in depth with john brennan, the director of the cia at the time. it was a compilation of not just one reporting stream but a compilation of information drawn from all sources. but let's just, for the sake -- >> sorry, when he says he went to the cia and read the raw
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intelligence there, you are saying his access was only to cia information that would have been at langley? >> that is what he said. he may have gone to nsa or fbi, or gained access to that information, i don't know. i believe the staff did a scrubbing which was was heavily footnoted at the time. and here we are 14 months later. and republicans, some republicans on the committee are taking exception to the conclusion we drew. which one was the russians sought discord and discontent because of the animus putin had for the clintons, particularly hillary. and as time went on, drew the
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conclusion that candidate trump would be better for them than she would be. so but let's put aside for that single stream of reporting for the moment. and look at all the over evidence that where fingerprints of putin are clearly there. or the internet research agency as documented in the indictment of the 13 russians. these things are controlled by putin. any big decisions in russia are made by one guy, putin. and the russians are actively engaged in war against us in the information sphere. and putin is orchestrating this. and he called the shots in, during the run up to the election and he is still doing. >> congressman stewart also
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likened the situation, when they got it wrong in iraq with the wmds. >> we did get it wrong. and i am familiar with that since my fingerprints were on the infamous weapons of mass destruction. believe me, the intelligence community is learning organization and we profited from that bad experience and built in all kinds of safe guards and checks and balances to ensure that sort of thing doesn't happen again. yes, you can point to something we did 15 years ago but that isn't relevant. >> the way this investigation folded in the house intelligence committee, how does it undermine the credibility of this report? do you think we can trust anything in the report? >> unfortunately, and this is sad for me, the credibility of the committee is basically about
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zero. they are so partisan. i have been around since those two committee the were stood up. so i have watched them over the years. and the only time the committee the are effective is when they are bipartisan. and the house intelligence committee is paralyzed because of the partnership that is emerged over this and the politicization of intelligence which they are supposed to safe guard against. >> i gained access to intelligence tonight and i want to wish you a happy birthday. >> thank you. there is no place i would rather be than here on my birthday with you. >> thank you very much. students walking out of class. we will talk to one of the
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in cities across the country today in waves as the clock struck 10:00 a.m. in local times coast to coast, students walked out of class. the message we stand with you. we're the future and we want
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change. scott mcclain reports tonight. >> reporter: what started in florida on display today in schools across the country. >> hold hands. not gun. >> reporter: students in new york showing solidarity with students in florida. most not old enough to vote, sending a clear message to the white house. >> end gun violence. >> reporter: and demanding action from lawmakers. >> this can happen in any one of our schools and we as students can't take this any more. >> reporter: some messages can only be seen from the air. a heart in pennsylvania. in portland, oregon, a peace
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sign. and in los angeles, california, the word enough. lasting 17 minutes. in st. louis, 17 empty chairs. students at columbine high school who weren't even born when 13 died inside of their school still feel the impact. >> i find the best place to hide and the door. it is a sub conscious reaction. the first thing going through my mind. >> reporter: these elementary students had a message through so song. ♪ put a little love in your heart ♪ >> i understand students in littleton have tried to steer clear of partisan politics.
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>> reporter: they don't want to lose support from their cause from students whose families own guns. if this debate becomes purely a partisan one, then nothing gets done. they have invited parties from both sides. >> after the shooting in parkland, david hogg. thank you for being with us. what goes through your mind? >> i think it shows that change is coming. change is here. and change is here to say. it shows that we have a national movement of young people, future voters and the future of our country coming out and standing with us. we have allowed this to happen to us as children, but not going to allow it happen to our children in our future.
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>> you have heard concerns of some students in littleton saying they don't want people to think this is against the second amendment and they don't want to alienate kids of families who do own guns and go hunting and are supporters of the second amendment. >> exactly. and i am one of those families. we have guns in my house. my dad is a retired fbi agent. there are multiple people in the never again movement in their house. we are not trying to take your guns we are trying to implement sensible gun legislations. re remove guns from those -- i have a big announcement about the march. we are going to have four major independent women that are standing up and walking beside us. ariana grande, jennifer hudson,
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miley cyrus and demi lovato. i think that is part of the huge support that we are starting to see. we are seeing young americans and young adults that are standing up with this. and that is how we are going it see this change. >> what is your reaction to the house today passing what they call the stop school violence act. authorizing money to help train students, teachers to identify. it doesn't tackle anything dealing with gun control. >> i am not surprised. because these politicians are still owned by the nra. seeing that pass gives me hope that better gun laws can be passed in our country. it is certainly a small step in a bigger movement. we haven't seen any talk about the dicky movement or the digitalization of the atf or
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universal background checks. how are we not talking about these things. things that are sensible gun reform. >> i imagine you are disappointed in the president who seemed to be embracing some positions, certainly on bum stocks and raising the age limit. basically sort of stop talking about raising the age to 21. >> now, i respect donald trump who is the president. but i think he needs to realize if he wants to call out these people for being called by the nra like he did in one of the white house meetings, he can't submit and bow to them. he is the president of the united states. he needs to show that he and other politicians are not owned by the nra. when he does, when he makes the statements and steps back, he
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makes us look weak as a country. and that is not okay. we need to stand up and be stronger than the nra because we are the usa. >> you think he is intimidated by the nra? >> if he wasn't, why would he step down. >> i appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. remembering when ben carson said he didn't know anything about the dining room set, we are keeping him honest. that schwab billboard. oh, not so fast, carl. ♪ oh no. schwab, again? index investing for that low? that's three times less than fidelity... ...and four times less than vanguard. what's next, no minimums? minimums. schwab has lowered the cost of investing again. introducing the lowest cost index funds in the industry with no minimums. i bet they're calling about the schwab news.
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well, the tables may have turned for hud secretary ben carson over a $31,000 dining set that was ordered for his office. when word got out a spokesman said the secretary knew nothing about the purchase. now e-mails seem to contradict that entirely.
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cnn's rene marsh has details. >> reporter: at hud headquarters, the dining set ordered for secretary ben carson's dining room may have been canceled, but the controversy is far from over. the $31,000 dining set included a mahogany table, ten mahogany dining chairs, a sideboard, and breakfront. a hud spokesman blamed the purchase on a career staffer, but newly released e-mails indicate secretary ben carson and his wife selected the furniture themselves. an august e-mail from a hud staffer with the subject line "secretary's dining room furniture needed" refers to, quote, printouts of the furniture the secretary and ms. carson picked out. it's that line that casts doubt on carson and his agency spoke man's claim that he and ms. carson had little or no involvement in the purchase of the pricey furniture. american oversight, a liberal
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watchdog group, sued to get the documents. >> they lied. the internal e-mails show that he was intimately involved. his wife was intimately involved. >> reporter: a hud spokesman told cnn last month that carson had, quote, zero awareness of this purchase being made. later secretary carson painted a picture of limited involvement, saying, quote, i briefly looked at catalogs for dining furniture and was shocked by the cost. as for ms. carson, my wife also looked at catalogs and wanted to be sure that the color of the chair fabric of any set matched the rest of the decor. but in another e-mail, carson's scheduler writes, quote, hi, ms. carson, and invited her to visit hud and meet with a designer about possibly redecorating the secretary's office and bringing in new furniture. it's unclear if ms. carson accepted the invite. >> i don't think there's any doubt that mrs. carson, who is not a public employee and faces no accountability, has a very
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large amount of power at hud, and that's not how we should run our government. >> reporter: carson is already facing questions about his son's involvement at hud. ben carson jr., who is not a federal employee, helped organize a listening tour for his father in baltimore despite agency lawyers warning it could violate ethics rules because of carson junior's personal business dealings in the city. hud's inspector general is looking into the matter. the agency's furniture spending came to light after hud employee helen foster filed a sworn whistle-blower complaint with the office of special counsel. foster says she was demoted in part for telling her bosses she would not ignore a law that limits carson's office redecorating budget. >> $31,000, in my mind, for a dining table for an agency that's cutting billions away from poor people is, you know, poor judgment no matter who made it. >> rene marsh joins us now. are we learning anything new in
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regards to secretary carson's standing with the president? >> we reached out with the white house today and they are not commenting officially on this whole incident. but the president is frustrated with all of the negative headlines involving his cabinet secretaries, and when it specifically comes to carson, an administration official tells cnn white house producer kevin liptak that president trump is disturbed by the bad headlines surrounding ben carson. trump has made it known across the cabinet that he has no tolerance for these sort of ethics scandals and people inside the west wing believe that he is ready to clean house. but the caveat, anderson, the timing and the precise shake-up will happen when one man wants it to happen, and that one man is president trump. coming up, whether it's getting fired by tweet or resigning in scandal, it's the white house shake-up that never seems to end. we'll talk about who may be next.
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