Skip to main content

tv   Erin Burnett Out Front  CNN  April 6, 2018 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT

4:00 pm
evan. of course, the proud grandparents gloria and her husband lance. to harper we say this. harper, we welcome you to the situation room. you look beautiful. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront, next a cnn exclusive. the president has begun preparing for a possible interview with robert mueller and we have new details up ahead. the markets plummet the most since april. multiple scandals as we learn even through its landlord, the lobbyist changed the locks on him. let's go outfront. good evening, im'm erin burnett.
4:01 pm
donald trump's lawyers have begun preparing him for the special counsel. this is the biggest hint yet that he's preparing for an interview with robert mueller and his team. the president has said multiple times, at least publicly, that he wants to sit down with mueller. >>. >> mr. president, would you still like to testify to counsel mueller? >> would you be willing to speak to counsel mueller? >> 100%. >> are you going to talk to mueller? >> i'm looking forward to it, actually. >> to reach a higher standard, you would do it under oath, correct? >> i would do it under oath. >> trump's own advisers fear it could expose him to charges of perjury. let's get straight to pamela brown on this cnn report. obviously, the lawyers are saying, no, no, no, all kinds of parameters, but if they're going ahead with preparations for this
4:02 pm
interview, that is significant what you're reporting tonight. what do you know about these preparations? >> clearly they've entered a new phase with this. preparations between the president examine hand his lega have been short. they go over questions that robert mueller and his team would likely raise. now, while the president has not formally agreed to a sit-down interview with mueller, these preparations under way, erin, is a sign that mueller's legal team is full of deliberations and whether or not to come to this and despite the fact that it could expose him to possible perjury charges. they did charge that the more lengthy personal proceedings to
4:03 pm
prepare for such an interview have not been done. >> the president, pamela, of course has said publicly any time he's given the chance, no problem, no problem, no problem. that's easy to say even if you don't mean it at all. is he saying the same thing behind closed doors? is he really pushing hard to do this? >> sources tell us the president would rather speak openly than behind closed doors to mueller's team. he said he would be fine about. trump friends and neighbors have already charged 19 individuals with criminal offenses, including lying. so mult, he is becoming increasing the frustrated, agitated as details of the probe
4:04 pm
merge, and he feels the investigation undermines his pregnancy. he's grown increasing the bitter that it's not concluded. the president's legal team continue to go back and forth about the scope of a possible interview. those negotiations continue. >> pamela brown, thank you very much with that exclusive report. i want to go now to anadom ar anado mariata. he also represents a client that has been before the special counsel in the gates/ukraine allegations. you were part of the president's team doing his ken starr. his willingness to focus on preparing an interview,.
4:05 pm
trump is very dirnt than bill clinton was. >> in many ways, erin, good to be with you. i'll believe it when i say public. bill clinton was a very disciplined president. he made no public statements about lying about his investigation. president trump you've seen step in it again and again as recently as yesterday with his stormy daniels comment, which was a disaster in terms of his legal standing. my guess is once he perceives the full extent of the jeopardy to which he might be suspected. . the reality of it is, this is a president that constantly says inaccurate things. mueller hasn't testified people,
4:06 pm
perjury charges be for the president? >> the president should be very concerned about being charged with a false statement. obviously, there is an. as we know, bill clinton was impeached for matters relating to obstruction of justice. i would tell you if. there's no up side for you, there's all down the road and he's inclined to explore it. i can't see why you would take the time of the president of the united states if you were doing what i think a lot of people, including reportedly john dowd, said, which is to politely decline the interview, and if there's a subpoena, take the fifth. >> julia, one of the interests here, of course, is that
4:07 pm
president trump's team consiste consistent. >> so you now have jay sekulow who are a personal. about four people have declined to serve the president in the suck low manner. >> i have to say i think it's probably a good thing that jay sekulow is prepping him just in case. at least get the president acclimated to the kind of presidents they know why they're doing this. the fact that the president can't find a lawyer is just so remarkable, and i think that has -- not just has something to do with trump as a client, but i
4:08 pm
think also what animates everyone's concern about coming into this administration, it's challenges of people coming in is that everyone getting close to trump, or anyone. it could be a very, very messy ordeal. you don't know if trump will do pardons. you don't know what he'll want to do. >> we have depositions that the president took oath during mtv. he was asked a question about whether the crucial had some questions. i just want to play the response so. hoor is the president. >> do you attribute that because people associate you with the
4:09 pm
hotels and they want to be part of your political campaign, to the extent they're favorably exposed. sgrz we'll make them ak set i believe. oh riley. i think he said something like this is. i end up at the top of the one of the two parties, so i don't know what's going to happen. we'll see. w we'll know in five months, right? there's been a lot of wins, and i think people like that. so i think it will be. >> you know, it's pretty incredible, glen, when you hear tharm. he's going on a tangent, he's embellishing, talking about what he did.
4:10 pm
unnecessary comments all over the place, but he comes back and answers the question and mentions the campaign will be great for his business, which seems to be something a lawyer does not want you to say. when you hear about that lawyer, and you think about he's going ba back he has about 4,000 civil lawsuits, i read, so he's been deposed a lot of times. he's and the single minded. >> he is not being represented by a criminal lawyer in this area. i think he thinks he can talk to his defense and stumble to the right answer, yet he stepped into it over and over again in this case from telling lester holt that he fired director comey to get rid of the russia
4:11 pm
investigation to tweeting he knew about flynn having lied to the press and he would be walking into a buzz saw here. >> bill oh riley said he's one of the biggest egos. >> the president was asked, how did you prepare for this deposition, and he said, i didn't prepare at all. that's a scary thing if you're a lawyer in that situation. i absolutely remember joe sekulow and he's totally out of his element here. this is arguably the mormt. you want to have sned. having jay sekulow handle this is like having a podiatrist to
4:12 pm
your party and he's out of his element. he needs to take the fifth and not get interviewed. >> thank you all. getting a new legal team easier said than executed, as they have shown, but the podiatrist analogy was a little frightening. more cnn tonight. taking a key floel. who is he and how long ago did they meet? a new wall comes to his town. >> could you vote for him again? >> i don't know.
4:13 pm
a golf clubthat only hits it straight... is that some kind of magic wand? not quite... just the result of dell emc working with callaway to gather data - and design best-in-class clubs, transforming the player into a bonafide golfer. oh! maybe it is a magic wand. magic can't make digital transformation happen... but we can. that's the power dell emc, part of dell technologies.
4:14 pm
one second. barely enough time for this man to take a bite of turkey. but for cyber criminals it's plenty of time to launch thousands of attacks. luckily security analysts and watson are on his side. spotting threats faster and protecting his data with the most securely encrypted main frame in the world. it's a smart way to eat lunch in peace. sweet, oblivious peace. it's a smart way to eat lunch in peace. managing blood sugar isn't a marathon. it's a series of smart choices. like using glucerna to replace one meal or snack a day. only glucerna has carbsteady... unique blends of slow-release carbs to help manage blood sugar. every meal. every craving. it's the choices you make when managing blood sugar that are the real victories. glucerna. everyday progress.
4:15 pm
you wouldn't accept from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase.
4:16 pm
tonight another trump exclusive. an adviser thought he had hillary clinton's 147 e-mails. he thought he had them. then he was pushing the fbi to investigate. his name is joseph schmitz. he's in this infamous picture of the trump policy team.
4:17 pm
you now know these men involved in the russia investigation. george papadopoulos is now cooperating in the russian probe in this picture. and paul manafort and jeff sessions himself. jim, we're now learning about this individual, schmitz, and that he was -- thought he had clinton's e-mails. what was he doing? >> that's right, and keep in mind schmitz was no coffee boy, right? he advised the campaign for a number of months. he was actually considered for secretary of the navy in the trump administration. he, we are told by sources, was relentless in his pursuit here, and he really believed that he had the real deal, clinton's e-mails. so much so that he took them to three major agencies. the fbi, the state department, took them to the television community's inspector general. then he went to the house intelligence committee with these, his attention being to get them verified.
4:18 pm
he didn't want to lose security clearance in and possibly to disseminate them. that's the issue here because it appears to fit in with a broader effort in the campaign to get these e-mails regardless of where they were coming from. >> when you talk about him that he was obviously no mere coffee boy and he was under consideration for secretary of the navy, this was an about things like security clearance. but when you taublg about his obsession, this does speak to the kind of people trump had on his dream team. >> and george papadopoulos bragged that he had been offered by someone connected to the russians. the fame meeting. he took the meeting and here you
4:19 pm
ha have. now on the trump campaign, and he is told that, eun. he goes to these agencies with the attention, it spikes to get them to the tier. again, it speaks to the tea drinkers. >> i want to go to my panel. joseph schmitz, a serious campaign aide with a serious resume. thought he had these e-mails. obviously was excited to pursue them and get them and then took it to the fbi. do you have an issue with what you did? >> i don't have an issue with presenting information to the fbi, i have an individual with an individual connected with the president, pecking for a
4:20 pm
professional dictatorship. that is not a democracy. if he wants to pass things over that he thinks are element, go ahead. it's not about. the tone was set -- >> so he was pushing for an investigation. >> right. the tone was set when his national security adviser. we cannot have it here. i want to shop at banana republic, i don't want to live there. everyone is equal in the eyes of the law. you can't say the president of the united states and his advisers can walk across pennsylvania avenue to the fbi and say, we get to decide whether you investigate our political opponents or not. we don't do that in this country, erin. >> what does it say about the
4:21 pm
campaign when you look at that picture and you see george schmitz in it and you see george papadopoulos and you see jeff sessions in it. of course, there are questions now about what he knew or did not know or did not encourage about meeting with russians. but this is the foreign policy team as it came together. you had flynn on this team as well. >> it's not a question of the campaign, it's not a question of washington, it's a classic question of leadership. i worked at the white house, i worked at cia, i worked the fbi. leaders set the tone. if the tone was loose, the work force starts to get the impression that stepping over the lines is okay. what you're seeing now with scott pruitt at the epa. if the worker says we will never violate annett cal boundary, the work force tries to get from the president, lock her up. if i get to be elected president, i'm going to try to put my opponent behind bars. the work force starts to see, if
4:22 pm
the leader of the campaign says that's okay, i think i'm going to act on that. i think that's what you're seeing here. it's a leadership issue. >> all right. thank you very much, phil mudd. next, stocks nosedive on trump's trade war talk as his own advisers try to contradict him. plus, trump meeting with his embattled chief of staff. and i'm terry ware.
4:23 pm
and this is our sears hometown store. we always wanted to raise our family in a small tight-knit hometown community. when the opportunity to own a sears hometown store became available we jumped at it. and ever since, we've been a family owned business. our customers keep coming back because they know they can trust us. we're part of their community. we don't work for sears. we own this place. we work for you. ♪ the northern percussion massage. not cool. freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting? now that's cool. coolsculpting safely freezes and removes fat cells. with little or no downtime. and no surgery. results and patient experience may vary. some rare side effects include: temporary numbness, discomfort, and swelling. ask your doctor if coolsculpting is right for you. and visit today for your chance to win a free treatment.
4:24 pm
welcome to holiday inn! thank you! ♪ ♪ wait, i have something for you! every stay is a special stay at holiday inn. save up to 15% when you book early at
4:25 pm
save up to 15% when you book early internet providers promise business owners a lot. let's see who delivers more. comcast business offers fast gig-speeds across our network. at&t doesn't. we offer more complete reliability with up to 8 hours of 4g wireless network backup. at&t, no way. we offer 35 voice features and solutions
4:26 pm
that grow with your business. at&t, not so much. we give you 75 mbps for $59.95. that's more speed than at&t's comparable bundle, for less. call today. breaking news. stocks plummetting as fears of a trade war surge. the start to april is the worst for stocks since the great depression. if trump's trade war happens, the front line will be americans midwest. martin savage is out front. >> this could be america's next war zone: iowa. if a trade war between the u.s. and china breaks out, then america's heartland is on the front lines. ron heck's farm will be one of the many battlefields. how worried are you? >> it's a matter of concern when
4:27 pm
your largest soybean export customer is having negotiations with your government. >> reporter: and president trump's take no prisoner negotiation style is worrying the rural constituency that helped put him in the white house. >> i have some concerns with the president. >> reporter: china is threatening to put a 25% tariff on all soybeans. the result of all iowa soybean farmers has been stomach churning for a crop that hasn't even been planted yet. >> i grow 125 bush he wiels. a year. that's $50,000, so that's a big deal. >> in the united states, one of three rows you see driving down the road will end up in china. >> reporter: he's a sixth generation farmer in his family, and like many, he's hoping the tariff threats don't become a reality. >> i want to encourage both governments to continue the
4:28 pm
dialogue. >> you would like cooler heads to prevail. >> and make sure cooler heads prevail in this situation. >> just the tariff threats on pork has a significant impact for the price he gets today for his pigs. >> a market hog right now is only worth about $100. it takes me about $120 to produce it. >> he says he's losing about $2,000 a week and is already thinking of going to the banks for loans. but crop prices aren't the only thing a trade war might jeopardize. there is also a very real political price that republicans could pay at the midterms and beyond. you see, the biggest pork and soybean states are overwhelmingly red states controlled by republicans. you don't think the chinese just ka capri cio usly picked soy bean
4:29 pm
snz. >> no, the chinese are very smart. >> reporter: as american farmers calculate the cost of a potential trade war, some already have become victims. >> that's the problem, you know. there's innocent victims here. >> reporter: which means gop leaders should be concerned with the potential cost in rural american votes. did you vote for this president? >> i did vote for this president. >> reporter: do you in any way feel regretful? >> you know, i want to see this play out. am i going to vote for him again? i'm going to say it depends on who is running against him. >> reporter: erin, there is still a couple of weeks before planting actually begins up here in iowa. it is possible farmers could adjust their crops, maybe less soy and some of something else. but not likely. all the farmers we talk to say they're confident there won't abe trade war and something will be worked out in their favor.
4:30 pm
i will point out that farmers will tell you by their nature they're the most optimistic people on the face of the earth because so much of what they do relies on so much beyond their control. er erin? >> thank you very much, martin. so much of what you saw depends on the cost and the influence. golrover goldsby and presidt norquist. he said it could cost him $50,000 a year if these tariffs go through. the reality of this is, if these tariffs go through, they would hurt some people very badly in a very big way. >> yes, absolutely. tariffs are taxes. when you put taxes on the american people or you put taxes on their products, it damages them. and i think we're having an instructive moment here. there are some politicians who
4:31 pm
think you can tax things and it has no effect, there is no supply side economics, there are no incentive factors. there are tremendous effects when taxes are laid and tariffs are just another kind of tax at the border that hurt the economy. >> and when you talk about putting taxes on, you undermine the effects of tax cuts which pass. austin, the frank truth of this is the president shocked the world last night with this $100 billion bombshell. it was about 20 hours ago this news broke. his top aides didn't seem to know about it at the time. here's larry kudlow, same position that you held under obama. here's larry kudlow today. >> reporter: when did the president first tell you he was going to announce these additional potential $100 billion in tariffs? >> last evening. >> look, austin, here's one of
4:32 pm
the things i like about larry. he thought about his answer and then he sounded very resigned and he answered the truth. last evening. that is when everyone else found out about them. the president clearly did not take the time to discuss this in any detail with his chief adviser, didn't seek his counsel. is this normal? >> it's not normal. i didn't have that job, but larry is an old friend of mine. though we disagree on a lot of policy, i warned larry before he went in, i said, larry, if you're going to go in a situation where they're not going to list toen to you and they're going to make you get up and defend everything that donald trump just tweeted out with no thought, that's going to be a very difficult job. that's going to put you in a bad position. that's what they did. tariffs are a bad idea, but an even worse idea is to be doing your economic policy via twitter, which is what the president seems to be doing. i hope that like some of the other things he's done on
4:33 pm
twitter, they just don't do this. they get interested in something else and they just kind of forget about it. >> right. of course, what's interesting is the markets went up. right, grover, they went up one day because they said he's not actually going to do it. i don't know if this is exactly why, but they certainly gave the impression that they didn't like people saying he wasn't going to do what he said he was going to do, so he said, then i'll do another billion. tariffs were his last straw. the tariffs, if you look at the market, grover, and you look at the impact on individuals that could happen in some of these states seem to be taking away the benefits of the corporate tax cut which you so ardently fought for. >> sure. when we cut taxes, the president reduced individual taxes. we've seen a stronger tax with
4:34 pm
the reality of lower taxes. but tariffs are a form of taxes. they're just taxes at the border. and all taxes hurt economic growth. so it's not a good idea to do them. i understand the president's position. he is trying to force a negotiation with china, he's trying to get their attention. $100 billion would get anybody's attention. my sincere hope is that this is the prelude to a negotiation to going to the wto and trying to open up china's markets and particularly their abuse of our intellectual property, their theft of our intellectual property, something the president is trying to get at. >> the president was going to give us a speech on taxes. he literally threw his speech up in the air and said, they want me to read this but i won't do it, it's boring. the point i make is this. was it taken as a sign of disrespect of those who work around him like larry kudlow,
4:35 pm
peter navarro, who actually took the time to put this together and prepared a subsequent speech for the president on taxes? >> it was a sign of disrespect. it was a sign that he does not respect what they gave him. now, if you work in the white house, you can put on your big boy pants. if the president doesn't like what you're saying, too bad. do what the president wants. i think this action that the president -- he's going to fly off the handle if he feels like it or he's going to say things that none of us senior advisers even knew he was going to say, that's all funny until someone loses an eye. we're about to lose an eye on this. if we do not pay close attention and try to find a way to ratchet this back, we're going to create a global recession and that would be a terrible tragedy. >> thanks very much to both of you. i will point out to our viewers why you may not agree on a lot of things. you agreed on this and i think that's pretty significant. next president trump
4:36 pm
defending and meeting with his epa chief. why is he ignoring the calls to even those close to him to fire scott pruitt? ie van je evangelicals want with the president. is it about stormy daniels? and a quiet interior from which to admire them. the lincoln spring sales event is here. for a limited time get zero percent apr on the lincoln mkx. hurry in today to your lincoln dealer. pepsoriasis does that. it was tough getting out there on stage. i wanted to be clear. i wanted it to last. so i kept on fighting. i found something that worked. and keeps on working. now?
4:37 pm
they see me. see me. see if cosentyx could make a difference for you- cosentyx is proven to help people with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis... ...find clear skin that can last. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting cosentyx, you should be checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms. or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. if you have inflammatory bowel disease, tell your doctor if symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic reactions may occur. never give up. see me. see me. clear skin can last. don't hold back... ...ask your dermatologist if cosentyx can help you find clear skin that lasts. i'm all-business when i, travel...
4:38 pm
even when i travel... for leisure. so i go national, where i can choose any available upgrade in the aisle - without starting any conversations- -or paying any upcharges. what can i say? control suits me. go national. go like a pro.
4:39 pm
tonight a senior white house official confirming to cnn that
4:40 pm
the president met with scott pruitt today. the president is standing firm, defending pruitt. epa chief scott pruitt, who is doing a great job, but is totally under siege? do you think the chief of staff will change his mind? >> john kelly, chief of staff, does not like these headlines. the substance of the matter, the overspending, the entitlement in that department simply is not something that falls in line with what he told cabinet secretaries several weeks ago. they had a sit-down with all cabinet secretaries to stay out of the news on this. scott pruitt has not done that. but erin, the difference is this. there are a chorus of business leaders, trump donors more
4:41 pm
importantly, who are telling the president to stick with scott pruitt. i am told that herald hamm, an oklahoma oil and gas man, a billionaire, a key trump supporter, called the president is told him to leave scott pruitt in the agency. this is the president's decision. will the bad headlines, the draining the swamp, weigh out over the substance of what he's doing at the epa? only the president knows that. erin? >> david gergen is out front. obviously, david, we're talking about an epa chief with a massive amount of spending questions including at one point wanting a $100,000 a month private jet, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. is the president keeping him on at this point just to spite his chief of staff. >> he seems to be paying for his
4:42 pm
advice, and i don't know how long kelly will be willing to put up with that. but clearly the president knows kelly wants him to go, and the president will keep him. more will come out to drive pruitt down, trump is picking him up. i do think kelly is involved. i think more importantly right now, trump is trying to get as far as he can with pruitt because pruitt is on a rampage about destroying much of what's been done in the environmental protection agency, and trump wants to get as far as he can with that. he's gone a long way with pruitt, and i think trump approves it. >> he's reporting that pruitt significantly, obviously, significantly below market rent $50 a night was even more frought than we actually knew. she's saying the lobbyist that
4:43 pm
gave it to pruitt would only be there for a while. she kind of texted gentle reminders, all of which he ignored. finally so frustrated he wouldn't take the hint and leave, she changed the keypad. she changed the box on the epa secretary. it's pretty stunning. he stayed there until august. >> you don't know whether to laugh or cry at some of these stories. he got that room for $50 a night and then he overstayed his welcome by three or four months. it's like -- it's unbelievable. i don't know what kind of human being he is. it's his character that's in question on this, the gra grandiosity in thinking he has the system, he can have flashing lights so he can get through the traffic. it goes on and on and on. i do think eventually it's going to bring him down but i think
4:44 pm
trump wants to ride this train for as long as he can. >> kind of showing that morals and ethics are hidden. the national guard troops are on their way to the mexican border and we are live there tonight.
4:45 pm
he's playno, with us. he's trying to tell us something. let's see what forensics thinks. sorry i'm late. what did i miss? wanna get away? now you can with southwest fares as low as 49 dollars one-way. yes to low fares with nothing to hide. that's transfarency. thisreally passionate about- i really want to help. i was on my way out of this life. there are patients out there that don't have a lot of time.
4:46 pm
finally, it was like the sun rose again and i was going to start fighting back now. when those patients come to me and say, "you saved my life...." my life was saved by a two week old targeted therapy drug. that's what really drives me to- to save lives. having mplaque psoriasise is not always easy. it's a long-distance run. and you have the determination to keep going. humira has a proven track record of being prescribed for over 10 years. humira works inside the body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to symptoms. in clinical trials, most adults taking humira were clear or almost clear and many saw 75%
4:47 pm
and even 90% clearance in just four months. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal, infections and cancers, including lymphoma have happened as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms, or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. join over 250,000 people who have chosen humira. ask about the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists. humira & go. tonight some of the president's most ardent supporters want a sit-down with president trump. on at generthe agenda, the stor
4:48 pm
daniels allegations. tony is here in new york tonight and it's great to see you in person. this meeting is obviously getting a lot of talk. npr is reporting that stormy daniels is going to be on the agenda for this meeting? >> it's news to me. as one of the key organizers that's news. that's never even come up in the conversation. we started that conversation two years ago here in new york. evangelicals really force sbd i a room with president trump because of the policies of president obama. even the evangelicals came out supportive by what they heard from president obama. and he's followed through on those promises, so they're still impressed. >> npr was quoting president obama. he said, we are very concerned about the allegations, referring to stormy daniels. it is a concern of ours that 2018 could be very detrimental
4:49 pm
to some of the other issues that we told dear, like preserving religious liberty and restricting abortion rights. >> erin, i can tell you that in our conversations which actually began with the funeral of billy graham that that's never even come up. that's never been a consideration. the consideration is, yes, we believe the gop is in trouble. they're in trouble because republicans in congress have not delivered on their promises, and the only hope that the republicans have is donald trump communicating to evangelicals that he continues to need their help to further continue the agenda that began two years ago. >> so at this point, i know you and i have talked about this before, but you do not have any concerns about the allegations. from stormy daniels or any of the other women about this president. >> when we met with him two years ago -- there was the hollywood video, and there were
4:50 pm
all the issues from the past. we knew there were things in his past. that's why most of us were not with him to begin with. >> you supported ted cruz. >> i did. i campaigned across the country for him. but it came down to a choice. not a hypothetical, a choice between hillary clinton who had continued the policies of barack obama and taking a risk with two years later, he has actually kept his promises that he made to evangelicals. >> the issue of morality and character. >> that is why evangelicals did not support him. >> you said if it was in the past you will forgive. if it is happening now -- >> it doesn't make it right. it doesn't make it acceptable. we tell our children, this is
4:51 pm
wrong, we hold ourselves to the standards. we know this is wrong. the choice before us was -- >> even with that problem, you still made the point you made. jeff flake recently said the president should be challenged by the republicans in the primaries. you supported ted cruz. would you consider supporting someone else, a republican? >> as long as this president keeps his promises that he made to evangelicals. >> if someone else makes the promises -- >> there was really, a transaction, he said, he wrapped himself in the most conservative party platform and now has been executing on that. and as long as his behavior that we are at that you go about talt
4:52 pm
and stays in the past. >> talking about scott pruitt. there has been a lot of pushback. never mind the condo. >> which the president has been clear about that. these things are problematic. as you look at them in their face. >> the point you are making now versus the past. these are things happening now. david gergen made the point that this is an issue of character. someone who has a sense of grandiosity. what kind of person is this. >> let's put this in context and i have spoken to a number of these cabinet members who are threaten. >> i didn't bring up the first
4:53 pm
class. >> for instance, with tom price, when the president kind of pushed him out because of that, tom price said it was because my security people told me we needed to do this because of the threat. >> you are saying because like in the case of pruitt, he is getting eight times of number of threats. >> what does it have to do with desks? >> bulletproof desks. >> in his office suite? >> that is what i am told. this is how vicious things have become in this environment. >> do you though understand the concern some might have. they say you are speaking for evangelicals, as a man of faith. we are seeing someone who appears to be compromised on that front, scott pruitt, it doesn't seem to bother you, why? >> i don't see where he is being
4:54 pm
protected, where he is being forced to take a private jets in some case for whatever reason, protective reason. >> what about the condo? >> i don't know all the facts. >> $50 a night is significantly below market. >> i haven't looked at all of the details. the details. >> it and run them within your data center. it is... the ibm cloud private. the cloud that's built for all your apps. ai ready. secure to the core. the ibm cloud is the cloud for smarter business. miracle-gro guarantees results >> vo: these neighbors are starting right. with rich potting mix and essential plant food for three times the blooms. success is sweet. miracle-gro. three times the beauty. one powerful guarantee.
4:55 pm
where are we taking him? i have no clue. we're just tv doctors. if this was a real emergency, i'd be freaking out. but thanks to cigna, we can do more than just look heroic. we can help save lives by getting you to a real doctor for a check-up. nurse, this thing's defective. please don't touch that. we are the tv doctors of america. together with cigna reminding you... to go, know, and take control of your health. doctor poses! cigna. together, all the way.
4:56 pm
breaking news tonight, the pentagon says national guard troops are moving on president trump's order to secure the border. on that border, he is there tonight in the town of larredo. what are they telling you? >> reporter: interesting. as people have listened to what president trump has said over the last few days, it was the comment of keeping the national guard on the border until the
4:57 pm
wall is built, it has seemed to raise the stake of a lot of people opposed to building a border wall in many parts of the southern border. and that language has ratcheted things up a little bit. a number of people who definitely support the ideas. talking to one border patrol this week. this is an area that agents have seen a great deal of increased traffic and drug smuggling through here. the kind of area that might be a prime candidate for a wall location as federal officials debate and figure out where those, where the proposals will be to put these border walls. it is an interesting, this is an interesting place, the mayor the city voted for donald trump. he is an independent. he supported donald trump and because of the president's continued push for the wall, attacked on nafta, laredo is one
4:58 pm
of the largest ports in the states. it has the mayor questioning on whether or not he can continue supporting the president. >> i am worried. it has gotten more boisterous. >> reporter: could you vote for him? >> i don't know. it depends on what improvements. >> reporter: we have heard this repeatedly from people and landowners as well. the refocused energy and debate about this particular issue starting to raise concerns once again of what exactly is going to come of this border wall. many people appear posopposed t it. it has a great deal of opposition from not just city officials and congressional officials, but it is something that with the language they have heard this wake, much more concerned about now. >> you have troops now on the way, 150 of them, does anyone
4:59 pm
know what they are going to do? >> reporter: well, officials have said those national guard soldiers that are in the process of being deployed, new information just in the last couple of minutes. they will be acting in support roles, not necessarily working on the front lines. texas national guard officials say over the next 72 hours, 250 people will be deployed. not sure where they will be. >> thank you so much. live in the border tonight. thanks for joining us all of you, anderson cooper starts now. >> good evening tonight, my conversation with roger stone, just this week, the "wall street journal" reports. robert mueller has been asking
5:00 pm
questions about stone. president trump has been taking preliminary steps preparing