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president said -- >> so i just heard that they broke into the office of one of my personal attorneys, good man. it's a disgraceful situation. it's a total witch hunt. i've been saying it for a long time. i've wanted to keep it down. we've given, i believe, over a million pages worth of documents to the special counsel. they continue to just go forward. here we are talking about syria. we're talking about a lot of serious things with the greatest fighting force ever. and i have this witch hunt constantly going on for over 12 months now. and actually much more than that. you could say it was right after i won the nomination it started. and it's a disgrace. it's frankly a real disgrace. it's an attack on our country in a true sense. it's an attack on what we all stand for. so when i saw this and when i
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heard it, i heard it like you did. i said that is really now a whole new level of unfairness. >> all right, joining us now with cnn political analyst and new york times white house correspondent maggie haberman and cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. jeffrey, educate us. tell us how unusual it is or how hard it is to search the offices of someone's lawyer. >> justice department really discourages its prosecutors from searching lawyer's offices because there are so many complicated questions arising out of attorney/client privilege and what documents are covered and what documents are not. usually if a lawyer is part of an investigation, they will issue a subpoena so that the lawyer can make some choices about what's privileged and what's not. because there was a search warrant here, that means that the people in charge -- and it is still a little murky to me
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whether it was just the mueller office, just the southern district of new york led by jeff berman the new u.s. attorney, but the prosecutors there and the judge who upheld the search warrant felt that the risk of michael cohen destroying documents was so great, the risk that he wouldn't respond accurately to a subpoena was to great that they had to go in there and take his cell phone, take his computer, take his files and then figure out what's privilege and what's not. this is very unusual, and it's very scary to donald trump quite obviously as maggie was saying because this is someone who probably knows more of donald trump's secrets than ivanka and jared kushner do. >> let's get you information and talk about the implications. put up the graphic of steps just so you understand how involved this is to kind of negate the sense that this was a capricious act. you have to have tried to get
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this already. that raises the issue of what kind of cooperation they were getting. we've been told that michael cohen through his attorney that they had been cooperating. >> they say thousands of documents, pages of documents they turned over. >> that's right. but it has to be true that the office did not think that they had what they were supposed to getting. all right. then you have to have the leadership involved. okay, which are all people picked by this president. then you have these tank teams. you have to make sure because it's somebody's counsel that the privilege is respected as much as it can be but this privilege is not absolute. there are exceptions for certain criminality and that's part of it. that's the information. now we have the implication, our president is on the verge. we have never seen him have this kind of awareness that i was right. this is about me. not only is mueller talking to people about me, he just went after my guy and nobody checks that box the waco hen does. it would be foolish to not think that we are seeing the president right now considering things in a way we haven't seen yet.
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>> seeing him considering things in a way we haven't seen, recognizing that what he had been told for however long it has been since mueller was appointed and since this really became an issue in terms of his lawyers wanting to keep him from acting in a consequence shall way is nine months, ten months, believing that what his lawyers have told him, some of them any way, was not only wrong but possibly knowingly wrong, this they were doing this to try to keep him from doing something. when he believes that he has been proven right, chris, as you note, we get to a very, very unpredictable place. but there's one of two options. he can either order rod rosenstein to end this probe and get rid of mueller, or he can continue and let this go on, even ending as it has been noted repeatedly and you can speak more to this than i can, getting rid of mueller is not going to end this. this is in the southern district of new york. >> it's not going to end the cohen part. >> right. but that's not a nothing. that's like saying it's not going to end looking into trump
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towers 26th floor doesn't affect the whole building. this gets into a very potentially consequence shall area. >> that's true. but the saturday night massacre example is illuminating in one way because even though richard nixon fired mr. cox, he authorized the replacement of leon jaworski who continued the watergate investigation. there is no sign, maggie you tell me, i don't think donald trump would replace robert mueller. >> i a agree with that. >> so the investigation would filter back to the justice department. mueller's staff maybe some would stay on, maybe some wouldn't. donald trump has in his ability really to stop a lot of this investigation. now, he would pay some political cost. would he get impeached? i doubt it. not by this congress. although this congress may not be around. that many more months.
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so he has his ability. i'm sure he knows this, to really foresaw a lot of what was going on. >> they have explained to him repeatedly this does put you in huge danger. yes, this congress is not going to do anything. you will at minimum likely, not definitely, but likely have a democratic house. i'm not sure you will have a democratic senate. that's a big if. these are chances he may be willing to take. we have seen him take all kinds of risks that no one else would. who knows. >> that's what i was going to ask you about. reporting, do you have reporting from inside that yesterday something shifted in terms of his inclination of what he wanted to do? >> look, weighing his inclination is incredibly hard because there's a tendency among a lot of his advisers to dismiss what he says as that's just how he talks. that's just how he's been talking for a while. it increased extensively yesterday. it had increased even prior to yesterday over the weekend he was in a lather, i'm not sure
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what it was probably watching stuff on fox news. he gets that way. he gets into these states. yesterday was different. there was a note of sort of helplessness that translates into anger with this president. >> that's understandable. it's one thing to talk about paul manafort and talk to his campaign staffers, people he barely knows. michael cohen is everything to him in terms of his life before being president. >> and even for many years. and all kinds of confidences and all kinds of activity all over the world, michael cohen is because of this stormy stuff people are getting somewhat of a cartoonish exaggeration of him. he has been fundamental to this man for a long time. you couldn't get closer to him. >> he was the one who went to russia to try to negotiate trump tower moscow, which fell through again. but it was during the campaign. it was in late 2015. and just i believe it was two
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weeks ago he had dinner with michael cohen in mar-a-lago. this is not someone who is -- was close to him at one point. he is still close to him today. >> and so is this stormy daniels related. >> we don't know what triggered this. >> i appreciate the reporting of all our colleagues and until we see the search warrant affidavit. >> that's right. >> which is the document that says to the magistrate this is what we want to search and why -- >> that schedule on it this is what we're looking for. that could be helpful. >> that's been filed under sealed for now, but it won't be under seal forever. and that's the answer. >> okay. that's fair. >> none of us have seen that. some people have seen it have described it maybe. >> the speculation that i can't believe that the fbi is interested in affair. that's a distraction. it's not about proving whether or not that happened. it will be the financing and any laws. we saw that with john edwards.
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john edwards wound up in a criminal trial. he won. he won. >> i was going to say. >> but the facts were different because there the finding was, well, this happened a year plus before the campaign and done to hide an affair from his family not from any election officials. the timing here is not good. so those questions are more sensitive. >> those questions are more sensitive. i don't think it is just about stormy daniels. i do think that is a severely related piece, although to jeffrey's point, i don't want to speculate on what they're looking for without knowing and i also don't want to go -- there's something that the president said that i think is really dangerous. and i think it is actually important to focus on where he described this as an attack on our country. >> the president is not listening to you. he's tweeted twice. he said, first -- >> i'll find a wap to go on. >> first attorney/client privilege is dead. now, once again, this is another institution he is attacking and it also is not true. we'll explain that with jeffrey in a second. the second is a total witch hunt
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all caps. now a lot of people picked up on this and said i can't believe they did this. this is illegal. you cannot go after the attorney/client privilege. it's nice to see the legal profession respected for a change. however, that's just not true. >> it is not true. this is not the first lawyer's office ever searched. it's unusual but it's been done many, many times. >> they subpoenaed but they didn't do a search warrant for paul manafort's lawyers. the way this works generally when you search an attorney's office is you establish what you call a taint team which goes through all the documents. a group of lawyers to determine which are covered by the attorney/client privilege and which are not. that taint team then turns over to the investigators the documents that are appropriate to look at. the taint team is not involved in the investigation. they are the ones who just determine attorney/client privilege and check out of the case.
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the documents that they see that are covered by the attorney/client privilege the investigators never actually see. that's how searches of attorney's offices generally work. >> so who does talk the president off the ledge now in this situation? i've heard so many people behind the scenes say this is the first crisis without hope hicks. this would have been hope hicks' role. now what? >> there's a bunch of people who talk to him about what a bad idea it would be to actually try to get rid of mueller. chief among them are the lawyers who remain. they recognize that that would not be a good thing, according to every conversation i have had with anybody. there are still other people in the white house, it was not only hope hicks. i think there is a habit in the reporting of zeroing in on the one person who was just putting their finger on the springing water and keeping it from going. there are several people but there are fewer than there were. and at a certain point this president is one of the biggest misconceptions about this white house is no one tells him no.
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he doesn't listen and goes around them. he's angrier than we have seen him. so i don't know what that looks like yet. >> well, there has to be a little bit of a marriage of who is talking to him and what they mean to him. >> that's absolutely true. >> this chirping from lawmakers to him in the past and now once again that don't put me in this position. if you make this move, you are going to make us own it. and i don't want to own you going after mueller. i don't want to own you going after your own assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district. don't put us in this position. >> yep. >> that could be powerful medicine. >> it could be. >> and it has been so far evidently because he hasn't made a move that he has teased out several times. >> it could be, but he has never been in this kind of place of jeopardy before. >> true. >> true. >> the michael cohen's proximity to him is so different from paul manafort's proximity to him. i mean, this is a quantum leap
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in personal exposure. >> that's right. >> so, yes, you know he's concerned about the fate of the republicans in the midterm election and whether this will jeopardize him. he's more concerned about himself. >> i'm saying impeachment is something where -- do they have the votes? no. it's a political process. high crimes and misdemeanors doesn't really mean anything, but it's a proposition going into the midterms where you're okay with everything he did, now you want me toote for him. that's a sensitivity. >> i don't think he cares about that honestly. you think about the way that donald trump does business of all kinds, it's always about the first order effect. it is never about what might be 1a, b and, someone asked me about the red line he set about his finances and mueller looking at them in an interview with the times last year, this person said do you think he remembers edicts like that. when they're about himself he remembers them all the time. that's what he remembers. >> you ever heard him talk about
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this about his son-in-law or daughter. >> correct. >> but now it's him. >> now it's him and that just changes the matrix a lot. >> it was interesting to hear him yesterday trying to say, look at what they're doing. they're distracting me from syria. we have real issues in this country. i'm supposed to be dealing with syria. they're doing horrible things but i have to contend with this witch hunt. do you behind the scenes have a sense of how distracted he is? is this somebody who can focus on lots of different things at once? or does he get clouded? >> not one something like this is going on. there is still an entire ghost in the machine of government that is going forward regardless of what this president does and we have seen this repeatedly and i suspect you'll see that in syria. other people will be carrying a lot of that work out. he is consumed by this. again, he has an incredibly short attention span. this sort of cools down if nothing more emerges, but that has not always been his style
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and this again i know we keep hitting this repeatedly, cohen is a different thing. cohen gets it to trump's own doorstep. the thing that this president cannot handle is anything not on his terms. none of this is on his terms. >> cohen is family to him also. you never want to divorce the person. i actually look at it in reverse, which is i don't -- i question the ramping up of rhetoric about syria once we heard about this yesterday. >> right. >> now it's about to happen. and now, boy, it's going to be bad and putin, too. that is also a risk here because as we all know if the military advisers suggestively go to the president and all of a sudden they decide to pull the trigger and congress decides to go to sleep on military action by the executive, you're now in a situation. and you have to ask yourself, why is that ramping up so quickly? >> well, and i covered the clinton impeachment. and there were issues of military action in the late '90s.
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and clinton was always being asked was he wagging the dog? and that's now a very dated reference, but to a movie about using foreign policy to distract from a domestic scandal. that is a risk that any president under investigation faces. >> they created war in that movie. >> yes. william macy famous line, there's no difference between good fawn and bad fawn. second there is no war. but it was about the genius of distraction de niro being this axelrod like figure who was able to do it. but look, we're dealing with something that's all too real here, not a movie and we're dealing with somebody who once they believe something -- >> correct. >> they believe it period. >> yes. >> for example, voter fraud. no proof of any widespread voter fraud. there is no big illegals that voted in california. no proof. they put a commission together, came up with something.
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you had somebody who couldn't be more motivated to find something and they found nothing. sarah sanders said this yesterday. >> the president still strongly feels that there was a large amount of voter fraud and attempted to do a thorough review of it, but a lot of the states didn't want to cooperate and participate. we certainly know there were a large number of incidents reported but we can't be sure exactly how much because we weren't able to conduct the full review the president wanted because a number of states did not want to cooperate and refused to participate. >> that would mean that the secretaries of state all across this country many of whom are republican would be lying about this. but the keyword i think is feel. he feels it's still happened. you have to know that about this president. is that if he feels it, that's as good as fact. >> absolutely. he starts with the conclusion based on his feelings and looks for things to back that up. we have seen this going back to -- frankly we've seen it for decades but on the national stage goes back to when he
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declared that president obama may not have been born in this country and his investigators were looking into it and couldn't believe what they were finding, according to the president. there were no investigators but there's a whole other issue. we are seeing policies set based on the president's emotions. the president's emotions are what we are talking about in terms of mueller. as we said repeatedly, this is not just a mueller investigation. this is being done by the southern district of new york. the president feels it is really about mueller. michael cohen really feels it's about mueller according to the people i've spoken to and that's what you'll see the reaction based on. >> there's nothing inherently wrong with presidents acting out of feelings. ronald reagan felt that the soviet union was a threat to this country. lyndon johnson felt that poverty was a bad thing. >> what did they base those feelings on? >> that's the question. you can't feel things that are factually false. >> correct. >> there were not millions of people voting fraudulently in california. that is not true.
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so feelings are appropriate but they have to be based on reality. >> yes. >> and these are not. >> that's why you have to bang the drum right now where syria is involved. you have to bang the drum for congress to do their job right now. they want to lay down. they lay down every time on this. they don't want to vote. they got burned by the iraq war and punting on their duties ever since. now more than ever they have to do their job. we're in a situation where politically it would be very helpful to this president to wag the dog and go into syria because they have a bad guy doing bad thing. that's not necessarily the right thing for america. >> they may see as the right thing for congress and that has generally been what they guided their decisions on throughout this presidency. i'm not sure i think this would be any different. maggie haberman, thank you for sharing all your reporting with us. jeffrey toobin thank you. president trump calling the fbi raid on the office of his personal lawyer michael cohen an attack on our country. in a tweet moments ago, the president says attorney/client privilege is dead. let's discuss this and so much more with republican congressman
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adam of illinois. good morning, congressman. >> good morning. how are you? >> i am well. >> do you think that the fbi looking into michael cohen's office is an attack our country? >> i don't like getting involved. i get that you need to in the day to day of what's going on. all i know is the fbi determined that they were going to raid. they probably have a reason for saying that. i'll find out what that reason is ultimately. i don't like getting in and kind of micro managing this investigation. what i said from the beginning is americans want to know the truth and i think we'll know the truth on everything when it's over. >> but there in lies the rub, which is if the president ends it sooner than when it is over, when robert mueller determines it's over, do you think we'll be able to get the truth on this? >> i think that will be a concern if the president somehow ends the investigation without it coming to fruition. i don't have any indication that he's going to do that. right now it's an exercise in saying what if, what if. again, i think we'll cross that bridge when we get there. as of now the mueller
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investigation is going forward and hopefully at the end of all this we'll know what's going on. >> do you think that it is helpful or harmful to have the president weigh in on investigations like this as he did yesterday? >> i don't think it's helpful at all. when ever you tweet, there can be trouble especially when it's a tweet based out of kind of what's going on at the moment. so i wish he didn't. but at the same time, again, i think we'll get ultimate answers when this is done. there's day to day play by plays. i get that. at the end when we get answers we'll figure it out from there. >> i hear you and i know that this is not the per view you want to talk about, but do you -- one last question. >> okay. >> do you consider this an attack on our country, what robert mueller is doing? >> no, no. i mean, there's justice, justice needs to be served in whatever capacity. it's not an attack on our country. >> let's move on to what you know a lot about sadly and that is conflict and war.
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syria. what do you think the right answer is to do now with syria? >> ever since world war i we held that chemical weapons have no place on a battlefield. it's been a principle we held very strongly as a world and it's actually done pretty well for the most part, chemical weapons on a battlefield haven't been used because we've held strong. i think the moment we've failed to inflict punishment for the use of chemical weapons, you basically are seeing the end then of the nonproliferation treaty of chemical weapons. trust me that would be devastating. what the president did a year ago in destroying one fifth of assad's air force was good. it was right. it basically said any use of chemical weapons we're going to make the cost weigh higher. i think we have to do that again. where we don't want to get trapped -- because people are going to say any use of military force is going to be world war iii or mean 300,000 troops in syria. it isn't. we're not talking about invading syria to fix the whole crisis. we are saying there can be no use of chemical weapons.
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if you use them, the cost is far exceeded by the benefit. >> does the president need to come to congress? >> look f he came to congress, obviously i would support it. i don't think he needs to if you look at the war powers act he has 60 days to act and inform congress about what he did. i think on something that's limited like this he has the authority to act. especially on an issue like enforcing the nonuse of chemical weapons. i think congress would be supportive, though, if he does come here. but this is what happened last time. president obama said i'm going to go to congress when literally the fighter jets were on the runway ready to strike. he decided to come to congress. took ten days to reconvene congress because we were out. i was there then. made no effort to sell congress on it. trust me i was one of the few republicans coming out and saying we need to do this. then by the time it came to where we were going to vote for this thing, it had fizzled because the administration didn't seem serious. we cannot repeat that mistake again. >> basically you're saying congress can't be counted on to make the right decision so the
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president should act unilaterally. >> congress is not commander in chief. there's one person and that's the president. our job is to give financial resources to execute these kinds of resources and declare if a state of war exists according to the constitution. it doesn't mean any time any fighter jet takes off or any action is done or anything like that that there have to be 435 -- 535 including the senate commanders in chief. our job is to support our armed forces with the tasks that the president who is elected by the americans gave him. in this case, he needs to act quickly and intensely and make it clear to the russians and syrians the use of chemical weapons has no place in this world and we're going to defend that as we defended it since world war i. >> do you think he should wait to see definitive proof that assad used chemical weapons? >> i think, look, this is kind of an art form in terms of do you do it now, do you wait to see. i think we have no doubt who has done it. we have no doubt who has done it in the past. we have no doubt who possesses chemical weapons. it think it is very clear when you have the russians and their bots on twitter trying to pump out this is a false flag attack,
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like somehow the united states actually did this chemical weapons attack. look, i have seen those things on twitter. that means that the kgb or fsb actually it is now is in full panic mode and the russians are scared because they know who exactly was behind this it was bashar al assad. >> do you think that bashar al assad is a threat to u.s. national security? >> yeah. i think he's a war criminal and so any time we don't prosecute war criminals it's a threat to national security. secondly bashar al assad's actions and his brutality is leading to a whole generation of isis. look, isis would never be able to thrive had bashar al a sad not responded with brutality and killed 500,000 syrians including 50,000 children. he is an incubator for isis to exist because people are so angry they're willing to join these terrorist movements. yes, it's a threat to u.s. national security, to regional security to our allies including israel. >> after whatever military strike you are suggesting, let's
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say it's something akin to the tomahawk attack a year ago on the airfield, then what? >> it's the same where we've been. any time to drive to negotiating table is good. this gets us in a better position to do that, but everybody basically -- not everybody, you hear people say, okay, if we do this strike, then what? the reality is there may not be a then what but then what is basically saying we are destroying your capacity to fly your airplanes and deliver chemical weapons. we are inflicting harm upon you that is greater than any gain you'll get by these chemical weapons and sends a message to assad and to any other evil person that wants to use them again that the cost is going to be exceeded. >> congressman adam kinzinger, thank you for weighing in. >> you bet. >> you'll hear a lot of politicians say the president doesn't have to come to korng, the war powers act covers this. please google the war powers act. the authorization is very clear, okay, he can send the u.s. armed
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forces into action under three situations, declaration of war, statutory authority obviously coming from congress and the third one is the one they're relying on, a national emergency created by attack on united states territories, possessions or armed forces. which one of those boxes the situation in syria check, it's not a clear argument. they have to debate and do their job. the other big story of the morning, how does the raid on michael cohen's office and hotel room change the special counsel's investigation and congress's view of the russia probe. we have jim himes joining us next.
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♪ so, we now know that the fbi has conducted searches of the offices of the president's personal attorney michael cohen. now sources tell cnn no one in the white house can predict mr. trump's next move. the president himself not guaranteeing that even the special counsel's job security is in tact. >> why don't i just fire mueller? well, i think it's a disgrace what's going on. we'll see what happens.
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but i think it's really a sad situation when you look at what happened. many people have said, you should fire him. again, they found nothing. and in finding nothing that's a big statement. >> let's discuss with democratic congressman jim himes. congressman, always good to see you. thanks for taking the opportunity. >> so, the president's peak is largely about this being his personal attorney and this unusual and unusually aggressive move by the fbi to search the offices and take communications that will be segregated and not immediately available to investigators, but this is unusual, hyperaggressive, shows this is all about targeting the president. your take? >> well, let's start with the facts. on your clip the president says they found nothing. of course the facts are that the investigation secured two guilty pleas and close to two dozen indictments that got cooperating witnesses, they're still after manafort to say this is a witch
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hunt and say they found nothing is to be completely unhinged, to be completely at odds with reality. now, remember, the individual who led this raid yesterday is a recent trump appointee to the southern district of new york. this false idea that the president is trying to propagate that this is a nothing witch hunt targeted at him, his own people are the ones who are leading this investigation and who led the raid yesterday. >> level of concern that in the president's mind this has gone too far and it is time to act and that will mean stopping this investigation. >> well, this takes us back to where we were a couple weeks ago. as a member of congress, of course, it's an uncomfortable thing because i see nothing in this congress and there's political reasons for this being true, i see nothing in this congress to suggest that if the president fires the deputy attorney general, fires bob mueller in order to stop this investigation -- again, this is an investigation that produced
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indictments, guilty pleas and still under way in a lot of different dimensions that this congress would act. i see absolutely nothing that that would be the case. that takes us to a world where as lincoln said public sentiment is everything. so the way public sentiment were to play out there, what the public would do, what the public would demand their elected officials is where this gets interesting. >> do you think we have seen that we see the president now this is a new phase of his desire to do something? >> well, i would go to where my colleague, republican colleague, aggressive republican colleague trey gowdy was when he mem bli said, mr. president, if you're innocent, act it. this is not the behavior of somebody who believes an investigation is going to prove his innocence. i don't understand why i suppose it's a personality thing why he can't just compartmentalize this, tell himse that this goes away once the facts are out. and proceed with the important task of governing the country.
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>> look, you would feel the same way if they went into your lawyer's office and go through all your communications between him and her over the last decade, there would be cause for concern. the question is whether or not that's part of a fair process, fair system or if it's political in any way. do you have 100% confidence that what we're seeing right now is all being done by the book? >> before donald trump, if you were to ask democrats and republicans alike, anywhere, including washington, d.c., who the two most upstanding people, the two least tainted people they could think of to name them, they would name bob mueller and jim comey. now, that has changed and jim comey obviously got himself in a complicated situation by announcing the clinton probe. remember, he announced the clig probe, not the trump probe which was on going when he announced the clinton probe. but, you know, we have come a long way. i would like to think -- you said how would i feel about it? i would like to think that at a
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minimum i would not respond by trying to damage institutions that are essential to this country. the american's trust from their justice department, in the fbi, the guys with guns, the guys that need cooperation from the public, the fact that the president and his people and right wing media have turned around. what a weird world we live in when the right wing is attacking law enforcement. i would like to believe if i were in that position i wouldn't take that tact. look, this is uncomfortable, but the facts will prove me innocent. go ahead take a look. >> now, there can be patience on that with a measure of common sense except for one element, syria. i do not think it is a coincidence that the language from the white house and the president has ramped up at the same time that so did this search and the fbi. yes, they had said that we are going to do something, but it's getting hot. congress, you know that this is a pet peeve of mine, congress has over iterations of
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administrati administration seeded thord. adam kinzinger protected his country with our life. much respect to him. war power act, fine. the president can go into syria. that's fine. if he comes to us, that's great. but he doesn't have to. i don't sthee in the war powers act. i didn't see it the last time in syria. i didn't see it when obama went into libya. we talked about clinton going -- is it time for you guys to step up, take your duty and say, no, no, no, don't do this until we debate. we have to debate? >> absolutely. it absolutely is. i like adam a lot. he served the country. he's wrong about the war powers act. read the war powers act. it gives the president the authority to respond militarily and then report back to congress in a matter of weeks when the country or its interests are attacked. this is not the case in syria. now, that doesn't mean that i or other members of congress wouldn't support a robust response. we have the use of chemical weapons. we have a leader who is now a war criminal supported by the iranians and the russians. that demands a strong and risky
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response. you know, if the west won't stand up when a leader uses gas, multiple times against his own people, we live in a very dangerous world. now, chris, what's important here is the war powers act is clear as can be. members of congress weasel out of their constitutional responsibility. you know why? because if i vote to approve an aggressive action against syria and it goes wrong and boy could it go wrong. we saw that in libya. we saw that in iraq, elsewhere. i am held accountable. that's why we get paid as members of congress. and a refusal to say yay or nay is a terrible able gags to our responsibility duty. >> life is choices. you guys are down there to naking. congressman, thank you for joining us. facebook ceo will testify on capitol hill in just hours as researches reveal what your facebook likes will reveal about
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ceo mark zuckerberg will testify before congress in the wake of cambridge analytica sandal. he is expected to explain how his company failed to protect the data of its users. what do your facebook likes reveal about you? cnn chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta joins us. what have you learned about this? >> i learned quite a bit. the facebook likes probably tell you a lot more about yourself than you realize. certainly more than i realize. and as you watch this piece, keep in mind that this whole thing started as an academic project looking at big data and what we can know from big data. ♪ >> what do counstry music singe jason aldean and curly fries have in common? they can both offer clues about how smart you are. >> people who like curly fries
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are more intelligent where as people who like jason aldean have a lower iq. >> that may seem arbitrary, but science backs it up. this 2013 study by big data scientists found you can learn a lot about someone from how smart they are to how satisfied they are even if they're more likely to be outgoing and active or shy and reserved just by looking at what they like on facebook. timothy summers, who is not involved in these studies is a professor at the university of maryland college of information studies. >> facebook is a really amazing place to give data and not really think about the data you're giving because you're just sharing it with family and friends, right? but you're actually sharing it with every company that utilizes facebook. >> reporter: and those companies can predict someone's personality better than a co-worker with just ten likes, better than a friend or roommate with 70 likes. better than a parent or sibling with 150 likes. once they know 300 of your
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likes, big data knows you better than your spouse and accurately pick your political party 85% of the time. after that, it's all about tweaking your thinking. >> so you're saying you can take somebody who may have had a certain world view. >> yes. >> certain personality type and actually persuade them to think differently about a candidate or an issue? >> absolutely. absolutely. with the right imagery and right content, context and nuance, and with the right social media campaign and internet marketing campaign, you can get just about anyone to click on just about anything. >> and once they click, they're subjected to a micro targeted whisper campaign, a digital version of the old town square. >> and then shea say, huh, this is interesting. tell me more about this. then you show them some more. the more and more they're willing to go down that rabbit hole, the more and more influenced they are. >> are there some people who are just going to be more persuadable, if you will, than others? >> absolutely.
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and that's where the psycho graphics comes in. >> it's the study in classification of people according to their attitudes, aspirations and other psychological criteria. the number one way to profile someone is to figure out how they score on the so-called big five tests. extroversion, openness, agreeableness, ander in rot schism. >> they collect this data on me. now we know enough about sanjay to say this is who he is and this is how we can influence him. do i not recognize it's happening? >> you don't realize it's happening. >> well, if this sounds familiar or makes you worried, people are going to be asking how do they protect their data? what can they do? first things first. you'll see this possibly at the top of your news feed, facebook is rolling out this privacy tool. you'll get a notice basically saying, look, are you one of the 87 million whose data was
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harvested? or are you not but want to limit your apps and website. those are the big concerning ones. you can down load your data, which is really interesting. you down load your data to give you all this information about you on facebook, but also figure out what ad categories, for example, you're placed in, what things you think will appeal to you. it's pretty fascinating stuff. but these are sort of the steps that people should be taking to protect their data and their privacy. >> doctor, that was a very, very informative piece. i didn't know any of that. thank you very much. always good to see you, pal. >> you got it. good morning. michael cohen is in the news. okay. and he is not just the person who is involved with stormy daniels. this man is fundamental to an understanding of what president trump has been about and what he is worried about. we will give you a deeper insight next.
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the fbi raided the office and hotel room of president trump's personal attorney michael cohen. cnn has learned that authorities
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seized information related to stormy daniels in the raid. mr. cohen admitted he paid $130,000 to pay for stormy daniels' silence. cnn's gloria berger has more on president trump's loyal fixer. >> reporter: in the soap opera in which a porn star is paid to keep quiet, there's got to be a quiet who gets it done. >> where is michael cohen? >> where's mr. cohen? >> where is this guy? >> reporter: michael cohen is where he's been since 2007 standing behind mr. trump or closer. >> i'll take care of it. >> i don't know what had to be taken care of but michael was taking care of it. >> he's the guy that you could call 3 in the morning when you have a problem. >> do you know of stories of
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donald trump calling him at 3 in the morning. >> reporter: cohen did not call the boss he says when he decided to pay stormy daniels $130,000 out of his own pocket 11 days before the election. >> i think it's ludicrous. >> so you believe 100% donald trump -- >> 100%. >> there's not a meeting that takes place or an expenditure that is authorized that he doesn't know about. >> reporter: cohen wouldn't go on the record for this piece, but his friends claim it's all part of his job in trump world. giving the boss deniability and protection. >> if you know the relationship between the two people, he took care of a lot of things for mr. trump without mr. trump knowing about it. that's part of the overall structure is that michael had great latitude to take care of matters. >> reporter: in michael cohen,
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trump hired him a version of his longtime mentor the lawyer roy cohen a controversial pit bull and aggressive defender of all things trump. he got the cohen treatment in what turned out to be an empty threat. >> then he got mad and it was, you just bought yourself an lawsuit, buddy. i'll see you in court. >> reporter: in 2011 michael cohen described his job this way. >> i protect mr. trump. that's what it is. if there's an issue that relate to mr. trump that is of concern to him, it's of concern to me and i use my legal skills within which to protect mr. trump to the best of my ability. >> reporter: cohen a sometimes democrat first came to trump's attention after buying apartments in trump developments. then went to the mat for trump against one of his condo boards
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and won. >> trump loved hip for it. that was the beginning of it and then after that they became close. it was much more than an attorney-client relationship. it was -- it was something much deeper, almost father and son kind of thing. always hot and cold. donald trump could be yelling at him one second and saying he's the greatest person in the world the next second. donald trump knew that michael always had his back. >> reporter: for trump it wasn't about pedigree. cohen who is 51 got his degree from western michigan's law school and had some initial success in the less than gen till world of new york taxi cab medallions. >> if you look where he came from before he started working for trump, it wasn't like he came from a white shoe law firm. he came from a hard nosed
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new york trial firm. trump has an eye for talent and this was somebody that he used to call him his bug dll dog. >> reporter: running a mixed martial arts company and even taking care of transportation. >> the famous trump plane. there was an engine issue that he actually took care of and got a good deal on. watching him -- it's like a reality show. he's got three phones, he's got the hard line, he's got two lines, he's texting. he's on the computer. you can almost say this is donald trump's mini me. for a guy who started really in the middle class on long island to now be quite wealthy himself, known internationally and, yes, he's in a jam with the russia scandal. >> reporter: in the eye not only of stormy but also of interest to the special counsel bob mueller and congress. >> i look forward to giving all
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the information that they're looking for. >> reporter: during the campaign when trump said he had no contact with russia, cohen was privately trying to cut a deal for a trump tower moscow. it never happened, but mueller has asked about it. >> the sad reality is that michael pursuing that trump tower deal in december is just another factor that goes into this whole russian narrative. >> reporter: cohen's name was also in the infamous dossier which alleges he traveled to prague to meet with russians. he's completely denied it and is suing buzzfeed which published it. >> its immeasurable the damage that's been caused to him and his family. >> i will faithfully execute -- >> reporter: when trump became president he did not bring his brash wingman to washington. >> do you think he wanted to be in the white house or -- >> there must have been a part of him that was dreaming of a great job at 1600 pennsylvania
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avenue, but he's also the guy who not only knows where all the bodies are buried, he buried a lot of them himself and that ironically disqualified him. >> i'm mr. trump's pit bull, that i'm his right hand man. i've been called many different things around here. >> reporter: now he may be called to testify with the stormy daniels case in federal court. >> i know michael cohen for over 21 years and i know that he will not rest, he will not sleep, he doesn't sleep any way, right, until he recovers every single penny from stormy that's due the llc. >> i've seen a lot of attorneys use intimidation tactics. the problem is, if that is your speed and if you are a one trick pony and you use that in every case, when all of a sudden you run up against somebody that doubles down and that isn't intimidated, well, then you're lost. >> reporter: cohen flew to
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mar-a-lago to dine with the president the night before stormy daniels appeared on "60 minutes," because if you're michael cohen you're the ultimate loyalist. >> the words the media should be using to describe mr. trump are generous, compassionate. >> reporter: and you still believe donald trump will be loyal. >> kind, humble, honest. >> reporter: to you. we are following a lot of news so let's get right to it. >> this is the most pious group of people that i've ever seen. >> everyone involved are all people who have basically been hand picked by donald trump. >> it appears that the news is tightening around michael koern. the president has considerable reason to be concerned. >> a lot of this stuff is way beyond the mandate of why the special counsel was created in the first place. >> what the president said is that he believes he should be
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able to determine who's investigated in this country. that's what dictators do. >> we are studying that situation extremely closely. we'll be making some major decisions. >> i'm not confident that the president is getting a thorough counsel from the right sources. >> the united states is determined to see the monster who dropped the gas on the syrian people is held to account. announcer: this is "new day" with krs and alisyn camerota. >> good morning, everyone. president trump lashing out on twitter this morning after the fbi raided the office and hotel room of his personal attorney michael cohen. attorney-client privilege is dped. cnn is learned that the fed seized bank records and communications between the president and mr. cohen and took with them records related to stormy daniels. >> all of this comes as president trump is now vowing a forceful response to syria's apparent chemical weapon


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