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y at the home depot. tonight news a of a warning to the president from a long time legal advisers that his fixer could turn on him. on the table will michael cohen flip? one of the cht's former lawyers says it could happen. the president insists nobody is tougher on russia than he is. despite russia being advised no new sanctioning. president and lawyer and how deep it goes. broken by wall street that the president's former lawyer and long-term advisers warned him on friday if michael cohen faces criminal charges he would turn on the president and cooperate with prosecutors. gloria borger confirmed the story. she joins us now. you talked to the attorney as well. walk you through who the former attorney of the president's jay goldberg is and what he advised the president. >> jay goldberg is an old friend of the president, about 85 years old.
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he negotiated good deals for the president in both of his divorces. from the ivana and from marla maples. they go back a long way and still talk to each other. and as you say this is first reported by the "wall street journal." i spoke with jay goldberg afterwards. he reported last friday morning he gets a call from the white house, first pick up by his wife. then he takes it. and the president is effectively asking him for his legal advice and read on the case. his advice was very clear. be careful. michael cohen whom you think is a good friend of yours and may very well be a good friend of yours is going to flip on you. and the reason he told me is that anybody who is facing 30 years never stands up. without exception he said he told the president. a person facing a prison term cooperates. and he said there wasn't much of
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a response from the president to that at all. then he told the president -- and by the way, don't testify. because even if you're telling the truth they're going to get you. >> he -- he apparently told the "wall street journal" reporter who broke the story that he estimated on a scale of 1 to 100 in terms of chances that michael cohen would remain loyal and not flip it was -- his number was a 1. >> right. >> it was that low. >> yeah, and he said to me people who face long prison term invariably become government witnesses. this is whats. they're not -- they're not professional criminals here. michael cohen is not that. and i know from other sources that michael cohen is worried with his family. he is worried about his children. he is worried about being destroyed completely financially.
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and goldberg says that, look, i just tell the president what my experience shows me. and it's very clear to me -- and also quite interesting actually -- that the president is reaching back to somebody he has known for decades to get kind of advice, even though he has a bunch of lawyers right here in washington. >> it sort of says something -- or i don't know maybe it doesn't. but the idea that he is reaches -- he has a legal team in d.c. >> sure. >> but reaching back to somebody he dealt with so long ago. >> well, it seems to me that the president is his own lawyer in chief here. the president is -- i need talking to many sources about this, anderson. the president is calling the shots for his legal team right now. as hard as they try to get organized and figure out who to add to the team -- by the way goldberg suggested somebody from a prominent law firm who said no. but as much as they try and get
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more cohesive and focused with the president, nothing happens unless the president says yes. so here you have the president acting as his own, you know, chief attorney, calling another attorney saying well what do you think about this? and what do you think about that? >> gloria, thanks very much. a lot to get to with the panel, phillip bump, laura coates. paul begala and amanda carpenter. it's fascinating. laura what do you make of this idea that pretty much everybody flips if facing a prison sentence. even sammy the bull flipped and he was as hardened a criminal as they come. >> everybody has a different pain threshold. you're talking about the president has the ability to pardon if a federal crime. if you were to get pardoned on a federal crime if convicted or charged with anything i still have you on the state crime. it may be incentive to say if i
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need cut losses and gamble i have to cooperate. because i'm facing the state charges nonetheless. but there is only reason to cooperate if it's enticing to the person. if you're talking about taking off a year or two in the sentence recommendation not worth it. if you're talking about no time, probation, et cetera, that's worth it. but the risk people think about it is imagine russian nesting dolls where the hope is nothing. you may end up with nothing. if he is the biggest fish, if he is the doll that you want, there is no reason for them to even allow him to cooperate. they want a conviction and sentence. >> this attorney says he has nothing against michael cohen. he is not making this a snub against michael cohen. what do you make of that assessment, that pretty much anybody facing a lengthy prison sentence is likely to turn. >> i agree wholeheartedly. look, he went -- went to legal advice from a long trusted friend and former lawyer. and that's not uncommon for folks to do.
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and it's a good thing that he is seeking the legal counsel. what he is essentially telling him is to be careful. and sure anybody if i were advising the ppt i would tell him be careful. this is someone who has a propensity to tape telephone conversations, tape conversations in person. you want to protect yourself. but in terms of what he has or what he doesn't have on the president, whether he flips or not, first off there has to be something there to flip. i don't know that clear there is a there there at this point. >> i guess i would say -- i'm sorry. >> go ahead. >> is that i think all the talk about him flipping is premature. i'm dying to know what the feds have on michael cohen. it was a dramatic act for his office to be raided. i hope to goodness that they have the goods on michael cohen if they don't. if they're just going on a rumor or random tip or maybe suspicion they thought he was going to destroy evidence, things are going to unravel. people will protest hard.
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would be such an overreach that i want to know what that warrant says. i want to know what the warrant says on carter page. and i'm dying for that information to come out. >> to get the warrant in the first place pass a judge i would assume they have to have some -- something to show. >> of course, probable cause is not the ceiling in a keys like this. it's the bare minimum. you must at least have some understanding or indication what you're finding at the home, the office or hotel is actually about a criminal nature. not a guess. they want more than that especially be a attorney, especially the attorney for the president of the united states i bet he required them to cross every t and dot every i before do so. there is no guarantee anything fruitful comes out but getting the warn suggests there is more than innuendo. >> kirsten it's interesting to me that the attorney was more than happy to go on the record with "wall street journal" and gloria borger. said to the wall street reporter he wanted to make sure the president heard him when he said
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what he said. >> right, i means this is the thing that the president i guess only hears people when they're either on tv or talking to a newspaper even though they had a conversation. so theoretically he would have heard him there. i keep hearing conservatives saying they better have had a reason to go into -- you know, to go to michael cohen's office. i mean, i don't know why we're assuming they didn't. this keeps getting repeated. >> i'm not -- i think the suspicions are there i'm hoping it's air tight. >> they had to get a warrant. >> yeah. >> it's not like they were just we're just busting in there. >> but to raid the president's lawyer. i think the conditions o can be there. i'm saying i am hoping as laura said they dotted every t and crossed -- dotted every i there is no debate when it comes out this action should have been carried out. >> well it's -- >> it's so extraordinary to go into a lawyer's office it happen. it's unusual. it's northern unusual it's extraordinary. and the president's lawyer i'd be surprised if they didn't have
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a much higher bar and that magistrate didn't have a higher bar. but i think advice that the president gets is -- it's true. you remember the rem song everybody hurts. everybody flips. now we know everybody leaks. because if we're on magic box we're real and you can listen to us, mr. president. it's extraordinary. because we're all -- all of this i think the advice -- he is getting this, it presume criminal conduct underneath? why because we're sentient beings we can see the obvious. we don't know what is the odds that all of in is nothing. >> it's an awkward position to be in we have to wait. we watch the raids it's frustrating as someone tahoe who thinks there is a lot of suspicion to have to wait and in and be in limbo president just punches fbi and every law enforcement agency it's. >> to that point, though specifically there is no one
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under more attack than the president right now who works with the government than rod rosenstein and he had to sign off on this. this went to him before the magistrate judge and as such no one is going to be paying closer attention to how is the president reacting to this than rod rosenstein. there was enough there to playbook him comfortable. >> and the judges taking extra precautions in terms of protecting the attorney client privilege information. you see that extra step which makes me feel better. >> if we learn one thing it's from sean hannity we are assuming that michael cohen is the attorney of the president of the united states and that he is always acted in that capacity every time there was a dealing and every time there was a paperwork or anything filed or recorded and if that was the not the case attorney client privilege need not apply here and it may be his -- his ultimate denies for michael cohen not being able to protect that from disclosure. >> and michael cohen himself said in the dealing with storms daniels he was not -- offense not in communicates communication with the president he just did it on his own. that would indicate there is no privileges there.
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at mar-a-lago the president answered question and russia, the question of mixed messages over whether there would be new sanctions and the mueller investigation. here is somewhat he said when he asked whether it's concluded it's not worth the political fallout to remove robert mueller or rod rosenstein. >> there was no collusion. and that's been so found as you know by the house intelligence committee. there is no collusion. as far as the two gentlemen you told me about, they've been saying i'm going to get rid of them for the last three months. four months. five months. and they're still here. so we want to get the investigation over with. done with. put it behind us. >> well cnn jeff zeleny joins us from a florida. what else did the president say about the investigation? >> anderson, certainly interesting that the president said really he down played the suggestion reported for weeks
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that he is thinking about firing robert mueller and rod rosenstein. by suggesting that he wants to get the investigation over with perhaps a suggests that he wants to cooperate. we don't know if that means testify. but certainly he went on to really discredit it for several months, talking again about how it was a hoax. saying it was all over. but he left out one name, michael cohen. of course that's the major development in all of this as we've been talking about throughout the evening. and that's something the president did not acknowledge. but he really tried to brush in aside saying he has been as cooperative as possible here and trying to move along. but certainly did not take the opportunity to say that he does plan to dismiss rod rosenstein. but he didn't say he would keep him necessarily either, anderson. >> there is a lot of back and forth over the last few days and russian sanctions. what did the president have to say today? >> anderson, this is pretty interesting. because as we know there's been the controversy inside the west wing. one of the president's most
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visible and respected cabinet members nikki haley under fire for coming out on sunday saying there were new sanctions, going to be new sanctions coming out against russia. the president the next day rejected them. that created back and forth among who was telling the truth, why did the president pull back? so the president was asked about this at the very end of the news conference. and he said that -- that we will do sanctions he said as soon as they -- as soon -- because they deserve it. but he went on to say this about russia. >> there's been nobody tougher on russia than president donald trump. between building up the military, between creating tremendous vast amounts of oil, we raised billions and billions of dollars extra in nato. there has been nobody tougher than me. with the media, no matter what i did it's never tough enough. because that's the narrative. but russia will tell you there has been nobody tougher than
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donald trump. >> perhaps it's not about being tough as it is being consistent. and that's been a question here that is still hanging over this white house. what is the president's coherent and consistent strategy toward -- toward russia? the question of sanctions clearly was in the works over the weekend. that's why nikki haley went out and said they were coming. clearly the president pulled back. he said they would be coming soon. we don't know exactly what that means. but he certainly did not say they wouldn't be coming at all. of course anderson, all of this tied to other matters. he wants russia to play along in his summit coming up with kim jong un. he needs russia on his side. an interesting summit with japanese prime minister shinzo abe. but leading into the other potential summit with marken dictator. >> thanks very much. back now with the panel. we'll get into sanctions but paul what about the comments about rosenstein and mueller? he didn't say no that's off the table.
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he said they're still there even though people talking about it more fonts. >> he used to say i'm not firing them. now he is saying he already knew that we didn't need breaking news to tell us they're there. we know from reporting he ordered the white house don mcgahn to fire mr. mueller. mcgahn refused to do son threatened to resign. there is another instance where he move ed to try to fire are fire mueller. and three times we want if over done with behind us. we got you the first time, sir. but he is going to trunk eight this. i fired jim comey because he didn't like how he handled the russia investigation. he was trying to obstruct it. he is endlessly whining and mueller and rosen. he always tells us what's on his mind. he is going to fire everybody he can. pardon everybody he needs to and torch everybody else. >> what was interesting in the presser he doesn't admit that russia meddled in the election. he went on the conspiracy theory.
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didn't really say it but did say which is his way of wondering why the fbi didn't seize the dny servers. that is flirting with the conspiracy theory that the dnc email hacks were some kind of inside jock that the russians didn't do it of course he doesn't think there is an investigation because he won't admit that basic fact. >> white house turned over 1.4 million documents in connection with this review. and i think everybody jumps the gun the moment the president gets upset or frustrated or reports out of the white house that the president is going to fire rosenstein and fire mueller. and i think that's the point he was making here today was that look we've been cooperating all the way through. and that they're still in the positions. we haven't -- he hasn't made any moves on them. >> he didn't say he hasn't made moves on them just they're still there. >> but the fact of the matter is he hasn't fired them. >> right. but the reporting -- the reason he says the media has been
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talking about in for months is because he's been talking about it to people in the white house. >> right, but last week we heard this is imminent. rod rosenstein -- it's imminent he is going to be dismissed. it didn't happen. >> the reason you keep hearing that -- if you're afraid of having a witch hunt then stop putting on green paint and wearing a pointed hat. it's the president of the united states who goes after mueller, rosenstein, the investigation. it's not the media pulling it out of the wind. and many ways it's pulling out from the tweets. >> only because don mcgahn threatened to quit the first time >> as far as the president doesn't talk about any of this. but that's just the way it is. but the fact that the news media says it's imminent he is going to be fired. fine that's coming out of the white house because everybody is gauging the reaction of donald trump. fact of the matter is they're both still doing their jobs. >> i mean, james comey was still director of the fisher may 8th, 2017. they were doing their jobs until he fires them. we have the reports that a lot of outlets said -- i don't remember anyone saying it's
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imminent but signs is coming short. >> he was asking people in the white house about this. >> talking to people that 30 million people follow on twitter as well. it's not a secret. if he hasn't fired comey i'd take it at face value. >> kirsten what about the russian sanctions friday night you have the speech in to the nation saying military, diplomatic economic movements. we saw the military we saw the diplomatic. the economic would seem to be sanctions and then nikki haley on sunday says sanctions are going to be announced if they haven't been announced it's happening monday. steve mnuchin is going to be doing it. there was a level of detail and specificity. and seems like they called the russian embassy and said nikki hale is wrong. ask mono-monday we know what happened. nothing. >> it's hard to imagine nikki haley saying it if there wasn't a decision it's going to happen. so at to him point there was a decision and then somebody changed their mind.
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and that somebody is probably donald trump. if you look at the actions against russia there have been a few. they're not as numerous as the president says. but there have been a few. if you look at reporting they had to push the president to do these things. and then even with the expulsion of diplomats he was furious because the u.s. expelled more than the european countries did. and he didn't want to look like he was taking the lead. what it's been is people pushing him to take he doesn't want to take. and so you know in the end i think maybe he decided this isn't something he wants to do. it doesn't make sense you want to fake military action but not sanctions. >> i do think there could be a plausible explanation. of course maybe a big gun there was a big deal for sanctions deal in exchange for elections help. does donald trump want to preserve the option to do business in russia post presidency. we know in run up he wanted to do the trump tower in moscow. it's possible he wants to do
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business there with his family as a private citizen after the white house. which may be would would explain why he is willing to engage in diplomatic actions military actions but not economic. i think it's worth considering. >> and he -- >> and five times there was no collusion. this is his thing. all of the supporters say it it's not true. first off jim it's not a crime. you're a lawyer. they were colluding 12 different people connected to mr. trump talked to russians. they had 19 face-to-face meetings and 51 total contacts. give me one example. this is the -- one of the most -- rick gates who pleaded guilty, debate manager -- deputy chairman of the campaign had frequent phone calls in september and october 2016 with a person the fbi believes had active links to russian spy services. that's "the new york times" not me. that's -- that's collusion. now whether it's a crime i don't know. mr. gates already pleaded guilty to some crimes.
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but he can't honestly say no collusion and his supporters need to stop saying it. >> the fact that he -- it's likely that the president talked to additional other advisers over the weekend pulled it back. maybe because they need help with north korea. maybe for other reasons that are beneficial to this country. we don't know the answer to that. to just tie it to collusion or tie it to the economic or the business interests. >> if he could tell what the russia policy is that would be great. >> right but the folks -- the folks said she might have gotten out of her skis meaning ambassador haily. the president has every right to dial back the policy. how the staff deals with the policy after the fact is very, very important. and in fact you saw an apology coming out of it. >> more ahead in a moment talking with senator angus king about the mixed messages and russia sanctions. and mike pompeo's face-to-face with kim jong un.
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at&t, not so much. we give you 75 mbps for $59.95. that's more speed than at&t's comparable bundle, for less. call today. back to our breaking news on russia. the president insisting new sanctions will be put in place when time is right for the country supporting bashar al assad's regime in syria after a war of words on the issue with u.s. ambassador nikki haley. i spoke with senator angus king about this. tonight the president said no one has been tougher on russia than him. he added we'll do sanctions as much as they deserve it. i'm wondering do you think the
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russians deserve more sanctions. >> absolutely he said it during the attack. if they deserve an air strike it seems to me they also deserve sanctions. you got to remember, anderson, the russians were involve ed involved with the syria weapons program. and they said this 2013 therapy guaranteeing the syrians wouldn't do this again. they've taken ownership of this and the fact that there was plenty of warning of this strike. there was no russians involved that were in any way targets. but to not target them with sanctionless seems to me is just letting them off easy. it's a free pass. why -- why would they worry about doing it again? >> yeah, i mean you mentioned that speech he gave friday night announcing the attack. he talked about military actions, diplomatic actions and economic actions we saw the military and diplomatic with uk and france. but it does seem like the economic ones he was talking
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about or telegraphing the idea of sanctions. nikki haley clearly said it on sunday as if a done deal. he said mnuchin would announce it sunday or monday. what do you think happened in do you have any idea? was it just the president deciding to change the policy? >> well, you know, we- we're all speculating. i don't know what happened pup but i know enough about nikki haley he she doesn't say things casually. she is not looking in the camera on make an unequivocal statement the sanctions will come and she said maybe today or by tomorrow. >> she did. >> she clearly had a clear -- she had a signal on that. what happened in between? appears the president changed his mine. there is a larger issue here, anderson, though that is what bothers me. because it goes to the whole russia relationship. right now russia is getting a free pass in a sense. we have imposed sanctions. but they aren't as severe as what i believe they should be. russia attacked our country in 2016. it was a -- it was a very
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serious deliberate sophisticated comprehensive effort to undermine our democracy. and they haven't paid any price. and my position has been all along in dozens of hearings until they start feeling that there is some price to be paid there is no reason for them not to keep on doing it. and we have evidence now that they're going to keep on doing it. they're involved in this election coming up this fall. >> i'm wondering what you make of the president's nominee for secretary of state. i've heard you say that you think mike pompeo did a good job at director of cia. would you vote for him as secretary of state >> i have not decided. i'm legitimately and honestly undecided. i met with him, went to his hearing at the foreign relations committee the other day even though i'm not on the committee. one thing i can tell you the seats for the audience at a congressional hearing aren't as comfortable as the seats the senators have up around the table. but i have talked to a lot of people. i'm still running down talking to people that i respect. i can argue it either which.
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i did vote for him as director of the cia. i think he has done a good job. but secretary of state is an entirely different job. cia you're delivering intelligence, in effect taking a product your people produce and giving it to the president. secretary of state is pure policy. and i have some concerns about mike pompeo as policies in terms of iran, north korea, things he stated historically, climate change, things that will be important in terms of his representation of the country around the world. so i'm still weighing it. he is a bright guy. very capable. no question of that. he clearly has the president's confidence going to north korea. but i'm still not sure. i'm trying oh wrap up my process the next couple days. >> what do you make of pompeo's recent trip to north korea? the white house cited it as reason to push the nomination
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through have they made him invaluable in discussions with north korea? >> well, i don't think that necessarily. but i'm glad he went. i'm glad somebody went. i mean a meeting of this magnitude -- i mean, anderson, the stakes couldn't be any higher. if we achieve some kind of diplomatic breakthrough it will relieve one of the greater pressure points in the world. it will relieve an enormous danger to our country. but the contrary is if it falls apart then we could be on a rod to devastating military conflict. >> senator king, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. welcome coming up days after it came out that sean hannity is the michael cohen mysterious third client we learn about how he is intertwined with the president. we'll show you that next. this car is literally my baby. which is why i use armor all ultra shine wash wipes. they effectively remove dirt, dust and grime with no water. that car is in tip top shape! we are both in tip top shape! armor all, it's easy to look good.
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new reporting "washington post" shows how intertwined the president and the shawn are. talking several times a week. what the president should tweet. one presidential adviser says hannity has a devg in the place. back now with the panel. i got -- your paper's reporting. fascinating the symbiotic relationship. it's a mutualry beneficial. >> hannity has been an ally of trump early in the campaign. probably before the campaign. he essentially endorsed him during the campaign. and he has been able to us eye the television problem which he insists is a opinion show. but using it to drive the conversation nationally and at fox news. he is the furthest right outpost-on fox news and drags the rest of the hosts with limb to march the rhetoric that he is use ing it's breitbarten, the record he uses in the show. sort of like glen beck from the early days of the barack obama
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administration. what the effect is and see suffolk half of all people say fox is the most trusted. the favorable trump position. and results in the fact that donald trump is seen favorably by the same base. >> there is a confliction for fox news. they have shepherd smith, brett bay area who are doing reporting. and yet the nighttime is more opinion based. >> yeah, it's almost too convenient to say, no, no we're using a nuanced semantics argument. i'm an opinion journalist not a journalist. i don't have the credibility as others but please believe every word i say. the conflict is so apparent in my mind i'm like an attorney a journalist doesn't have the same bar admission ethical standards but you still have credibility and ethics on the line. to me this is a clear violation of what the american people
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would like from somebody who represents they are giving factual information as opposed to not only just opinion but also one tainted by a personal conflict. and we see more and more not just that he has this relationship with purportedly michael cohen. but also now we hear reports of other people who have ties to him for example sekulow apparently helped in a case if in a case involving a cease and desist letter out of a radio station in the west. you have a not only close that makes it misleading. >> i'm glad fox news is out there. do you think he should have said i consulted from time to time. he has been on 16 times. he hasn't run from his
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positions. he is for donald trump. he is for the president. he endorsed him. he has done interviews at rallies. he is with the president of the united states. and the fact that there are people around the president that he is affiliated with isn't changing that and doesn't add any more to it he is embrace going. >> if you do business with people who you are interviewing them and interviewing them in a journalistic role there is a certain ethics involved of you should acknowledge we have a prior relationship. >> i'm a lawyer and i deal with ethics as a lawyer in terms of journalistic ethics i'll leave it to the adjournists around here to make those judgments. but the fact of the matter he has been absolutely transparent in the fact that he is pushing the trump agenda without a doubt. >> kirsten. >> yeah, i mean, look where i would say the evening news shows at fox like the evening now li news shows at msnbc are opinion shows. they're not -- anybody who think they're turning on the news getting walter cronkite. and nobody thinks rachel maddow is giving people the straight
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scoop. it's a perspective. i think most people recognize that what sean is doing is gifting an opinion. and i don't think there is anything wrong with him being a supporter of donald trump. i do think he should have disclosed this. i just -- i think that if you're going to be sort of on the war path on behalf of the white house about the fbi going into michael cohen's office you need to disclose the relationship or recuse yourself from that situation. whether you're entertainment, whether opinion, whether a straight news show. i think that that's what he should have done. >> from a white house perspective, i actually think this is going to shock you. i think it's good. sean has problems and i don't support donald trump. you don't want the president a prisoner of the bubble, right? and presidents try to reach out beyond that. i don't think it's bad at all it's good the president reaches out i wish he would raise his level of who he reaches out to. and sean ought to disclose that. but, you know, president obama and other presidents would have
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columnists come in and meet off the record and share ideas. i don't know if the sates i same thing far be it from me to defend hannity or trump. i had a pro clinton perspective every appearances during the election we disclosed i adviced a pro clinton superpack after the election i left it i don't have anymore conflicts of interest. >> i got to get another break in thanks everybody. greechg parents who is children were killed at sandy hook shunned have to deal with the loss being called a hoax but they have for years now repeatedly right-wing conspiracy theorist alex jones. now parents trying to make him pay. i'll speak with one mother who is son was killed that tai. about a million dollar defamation lawsuit she is behind. that's next. polk county is one of the counties that you don't think about very much. it's really not very important. i was in the stone ages as much as technology wise.
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the moms and dads have been through what no parent should face. they lost their babies. young children. lost first graders shot and killed in the classroom at sandy hook elementary. now three parents are filed defamation suits. they want alex jones to stop spreading lies about them and murdered children. more now from "360" reigned kaye. >> it took me a about a year with sandy hook to come to grips with the whole things was fake. >> four years now right-wing conspiracy theorist arlgs jones has been selling the outlandish falsehood the 2012 shooting at sandy hook elementary which tragically did leave 20 thinner children and six adults dead never happened. >> sandy hook is a synthetic completely fake with actors in my view manufactured. >> completely fake and a giant hoax? jones says yes. all carried out by opponents of the second amendment. >> i don't know of the if the moon landing were faked but i don't put anything past the anti-gunners.
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>> reporter: two families whose children died in the shooting have had enough, suing jones for $1 million for defamation alleging his conspiracy peddling has caused despair. jones didn't respond to a request for comment. >> what do you want to know about noah? >> a 6-year-old little boy. >> reporter: one incident highlighted was an interview anderson cooper did with veronique de la rosa. then veronique pozner. now she and the boy's father are suing jones. this clip from the alex jones show is the first time jones floats a conspiracy theory about the interview suggesting cooper wasn't even there talking to grieving parents. >> folks, we've got video of anderson cooper with clear blue screen out there. he's not there in the town square. >> reporter: later, in april
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2017, jones hosted a radio show he called "the sandy hook vampires exposed." highlighting that same anderson cooper interview. only this time, going even further. >> then we've got anderson cooper famously, not just with the flowers blowing, but when he turns, his nose disappears repeatedly because the green screen isn't set right. >> reporter: jones' claim is ridiculous and the lawsuit makes that clear saying the video glitch resulted from motion compensation video compression. a distortion effect that is common when converting video to a digital format. the other lawsuit is being brought against jones by neil heslin who lost his son, jesse, at sandy hook. he talked with nbc last year. >> i lost my son. i buried my son. i held my son with a bullet hole through his head. >> reporter: in the weeks following, jones and another infowars personality cast down
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on whether neil heslin really did hold his son saying the coroner identified children through family photos. >> that is his claim. now according to a timeline of events and coroner's testimony, that is not possible. >> the stuff i found, they never let them see their bodies. >> reporter: grieving parents made out to be actors all part of an alleged sinister manipulation plan concocted by alex jones to fool the public. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> there's another sick layer to all this, in the lawsuits the families say alex jones' vulgar lies have led some listeners to make death threats against them. they detailed a case against a florida woman who believes the sandy hook shooting was a hoax. she was sentenced to five months in prison to making death threats against noah pozner's family online and in voicemail messages. she was also ordered not to access a list of conspiracy-based websites, including into wars.
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earlier, i spoke about all this with noah's mom veronique de la rosa you just saw in randi's report. i want to get to the lawsuit in a minute. i want to start by talking about your son, noah, this is really about his legacy more than anything. what do you want people to know about him? >> that he was full of life. he was just a typical little boy. inquisitive, full of wonder. a very connected loving little soul. he loved people. he loved animals. he was inquisitive. he wanted to know how everything worked and how he fit into the scheme of things. he was just a -- a wonderful budding little individual. >> he's got an incredible smile, too. >> he did. and it just radiated. this -- this love of the world, and this desire to tap into everything, into the entire inner workings of things.
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he was just -- he was just always on the path to discovery. that's how i remember him the best. >> this -- this lawsuit that you just filed with your former husband, noah's dad, what do you hope comes out of this? >> accountability. no more, no less. you know, i think there comes a time when if there's a choice that's made over a relentless period of years to peddle falsehoods and to profit from them, then there has to be a day of reckoning. and accountability and they say that sunlight is a great disinfectant, well, i say, let it shine. >> part of this lawsuit, i understand, includes an interview that we did tonight which alex jones has been distorting. i just find it inexcusable that
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this person is out there peddling these lies about one of the most heartbreaking of all tragedies. >> that's right. he no longer gets to desecrate my son's memory. he no longer gets to negate my pain and profit from it. that is correct. you and i both know where we were on that night and the pain that came with that event. >> so many people, you know, talk about they use that word, closure. i always thought there really is no such thing as closure. it seems to me kind of a made-up tv word. i'm just wondering how you move forward through grief. >> you know, at first, it starts out being this total devastation and then it morphs into this deep abiding sadness and you survive on the memories and you survive on letting your
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imagination guide you on what might have been. on -- his life remains unlived, so i'm his voice. his father is his voice. >> veronique, thank you for your strength and thank you for talking to us tonight. >> thank you very much. >> and we'll be right back. i'm sorry, leo. i know i'm late. traffic on the ponte vecchio on a monday. always late. oh! my wallet! un momento. card lock from capital one. instantly lock your card. in case your card goes... arrivederci. mona! that smile. technology this convenient... could make history. what's in your wallet?
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book yours, only at hilton.com quick reminder, former fbi director james comey sits down with jake tapper this thursday 4:00 p.m. eastern. that's it for us. thanks for watching "360." time to hand it over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts now. see you tomorrow. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. another night of multiple breaking news stories. a longtime lawyer of donald trump telling cnn he has warned the president to be careful about michael cohen. jay goldberg who negotiated trump's divorces from ivana trump and marla maples says the president called him last friday seeking advice. goldberg says he warned trump that cohen could flip on him. more on that in just a moment. there's also news from president trump's press conference tonight at mar-a-lago. asked whether he would sit down for an interview with the special counsel robert mueller the president avoiding answering that question and as he so often