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sunday morning, after contracting an infection that spread to his blood. he's responding to treatments and appears to be recovering. we'll issue additional updates as events warrant. and once again, we wish him and his family only the best. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. our breaking news coverage continues right now with erin burnett "outfront." "outfront" next, breaking news, president george h.w. bush has been admitted to the intensive care unit at a hospital in houston. we have the very latest on the former president's condition. plus, the white house not ruling out a pardon for michael cohen tonight as legal pressure mounts on the long-time trump fixer and lawyer. legal powerhouse victoria toensing who has the president's ear, is my guest tonight. and a driver plowing into a busy street, nine killed, 16 yard in the car attack, was it terror? let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm erin
burnett. "outfront" tonight we begin with the breaking news. former president george h.w. bush, who just buried his wife, the former first lady barbara bush, this weekend, has been hospitalized in houston. we understand tonight he's in intensive care. the office of george h.w. bush just releasing a statement, quote, president bush was admitted to the houston methodist hospital yesterday morning after contracting an infection that has spread to his blood. he's responding to treatments and appears to be recovering. we'll issue additional updates as events warrant. jamie gangel is on the phone. jamie, what are you hearing tonight? >> erin, this is what we understand. we've learned from a source close to former president george h.w. bush, that unfortunately, he was admitted sunday morning to houston methodist hospital and was put into intensive care. we were told that he was
suffering, and is suffering, from an infection which led to sepsis, which can be life-threatening. then that since he was admitted, that he's really been struggling. the details are still sketchy, as you can see from the statement. we're just getting the earliest reports. but i'm told that he was in critical condition, that his blood pressure kept dropping and that a couple of times there was serious concern about whether he was going to come through, that when his blood pressure dropped that was a very critical point. obviously, with his age and his health, his parkinson's, when someone with that gets an infection and sepsis, this is very serious. >> yes. >> but we're told he is responding in the icu to
antibiotics and other intravinous fluids. >> and hopefully he'll be all right and able to come home. we know he's been in intensive care before and come through it. this time, though, coming hours after attending his wife's funeral. difficult to imagine that. how was he at the funeral? i know you were there. >> you know, he -- we thought that he was remarkable at the funeral. not just at the funeral, but the day before when he went to greet the public who were coming to pay their respects, the fact that he would go and sit there and he spent quite a bit of time there, obviously at the funeral. you saw the pictures. he was very emotional. this is heartbreaking. and obviously this is exactly what his friends and family have been worried about, how he would deal with the loss after 73
years of marriage and such an emotional week. but i'm told saturday night that he was doing very well, that he had dinner with his family, but then sunday morning, he took this turn and it was really a crisis, erin. >> all right, jamie, thank you very much. i want to bring in sanjay gupta now, joins me on the phone. sanjay, what can you tell us? obviously you heard jamie say he was fine with his family. then really a crisis on sunday morning. in the intensive care now, but is responding to antibiotics and appears to be recovering, this according to the statement from his office. sepsis is a very serious thing. how could that have happened? >> well, you know, there's a couple of things that typically lead to this. first of all, what sepsis means is an infection that has become life-threatening, if something has spread throughout the body. it can start off as any kind of
infection really, major or minor. but the body's inability to fight it typically allows that infection to spread and become more serious. and when the infection becomes serious, all sorts of things are released into the blood stream that cause blood pressure to drop, heart rate to become erratic, sometimes they'll have difficulty breathing. and that's what necessitates the intensive care. why did it happen, how could it happen, your question, you know, someone's immune system is unable to keep up. that's typically what allows an infection to become sepsis. after a significant loss like this, obviously topped with his age and underlying medical problems, he may be more at risk for this. jamie has talked a lot about the fact that last year he was hospitalized as well for similar sorts of problems. so this is not brand-new for him. but very serious nonetheless. >> right. and you can only hope he's able
to come out of it. but obviously given his age, his condition. sanjay, what do you make of the fact that the antibiotics, he seems to be responding to those, appears to be recovering, but as jamie says, it still does appear to be very touch and go? >> yeah. this is a typical course. and being in a place like methodist, one of the best places in the world to identify what has caused the infection. usually you can find the source of that in the blood stream, and the presence of that bacteria or whatever it may be. i guess it's a bacteria, given that he's responding to antibiotics. and you figure at that point that this is the best antibiotic for this. now, there's several different ways to sort of judge success. one is that you're starting to clear the bacteria from the body. that's obviously important, but you also gotta make sure the antibiotic isn't causing other problems. these antibiotics, sometimes especially in higher doses, can cause damage to other organs in the body. so you have to be able to
balance that, and also you gotta make sure it's not something that worsens his blood pressure or heart rate. given that jamie's hearing that he's responding well, it sounds like they found an antibiotic that can do the job without causing additional problems. but this is measured in days and weeks, erin, not minutes and hours, in terms of how someone responds to the treatment for sepsis. >> that's significant that you say, in terms of it being a longer-term thing, not something that at least if you do recover could happen so quickly. thank you, sanjay. and i want to bring in frank birney, who wrote a become about president bush's initial campaign, along with april ryan, white house correspondent for american urban radio network, and doug brinkley, professor on the rice university, across the street from the hospital why president bush is. and this weekend, he was at his wife's funeral. some of these images that we can show, you know, they're
incredibly poignant. here he is looking at his wife's casket. and then obviously seeing her drive away for the last time. this moment for him, it's really impossible for almost anyone to understand his position. he had been with her for 73 years. >> that's right, erin. and he put on such a brave face for all of america. he had to take care of his own children and the grandchildren. and there's so many friends. on cnn, we spent days talking about how popular the bushes are. they have thousands of friends. and george herbert walker bush is known for always writing thank you notes, doing follow-up with people. so the amount of love and affection towards that family was very large last week. you can only imagine how much pressure was on him, how exhausted, fatigued, insomnia,
morning, grief, and he will be 93 years old this june, and you do have parkinson's, and you've loved somebody you've been attached at the hip to since 1945, you can imagine the emotional downturn you take when the adrenaline leaves you and your body's just depleted. >> and you know, frank, you were talking about that image, which we just saw and we'll show it again, of him this weekend, in his wheelchair, in front of the other living former presidents and their wives. that moment sort of captured the imagination of so many. but you can see there, you know, what he's going through -- and there's the picture. >> you can see it in his face. that's an extraordinary picture because i think you're seeing in that picture civility, that i think he epitomizes. i've been fortunate, since ronald reagan, i've been in the company of all the presidents since him. there is something very special
about george h.w. bush, there's a kindness that radiates from him, and a sense of decency. there's a gentleness that i didn't see necessarily in some of the other presidents. and there's a lack of self-consciousness, of self-consumption, that i think was rare in politics and is very rare in the presidency. >> april, it is that gentleness which so many americans are seeing now in a new light. when you see someone who had become beloved, but now of course in the more vulnerable days of his life. we're seeing him up close and personal at the moment of his greatest loss. >> yeah. it's very touching. it's very touching, just the emotion to watch this president of the united states say farewell to his love, not just a first lady, but to his love. and now to fight for his life. you know, i think of george h.w. bush, i remember during the george w. bush years when he and bill clinton worked together for the tsunami, and he came back and how he worked for the
american people. i remember so many times that he would be at the white house and, you know, just working for the american public, and how he worked with the clintons, someone he fought fiercely against, and how they became friends. and they were like family. they called them -- the clintons called them like father, they were part of the family. they were welcoming. yes, it was one thing about politics, but there was also something about the heart when it came to george h.w. bush. we in the press corps, when we had george w. bush as president, some of us had to differentiate the bushes. which bush was which. and i would call him daddy bush. we would call him daddy bush versus w. so it's a sad moment in history right now, and i'm hearing from my republican sources who are very close to the family, and some of those sources are very close to people who are actually there with the family right now, and i'm hearing they're devastated. the family is just devastated. they are saying, like jamie
said, jamie gangel said, that the antibiotics happens to be working right now, for the infection. but there is an overall issue. and doctorins have given them a time frame, from what i'm hearing. >> april, thank you very much. and thanks very much to all of you as we cover this. also tonight, the white house refusing to rule out a pardon for michael cohen, as trump considers a number of controversial pardons, is he sending a message to his attorney? plus sean hannity buying up nearly $100 million of real estate, did ben carson's hudd help hannity get the money? and panic on the street as a van plows into pedestrians, at least nine murdered in this attack. we're following the breaking story. 9 craveable creations for just $15.99. you can enjoy the classics you love, along with new creations like savory crab-topped shrimp, decadent parmesan truffle shrimp scampi,
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top of mind for president trump these days. a tweet this weekend about a parton for a boxer who died 70 years ago and the recent pardon for a george w. bush aide who was convicted for lying about a leak, scooter libby. pamela brown is "outfront" at the white house. the president doing this stuff on twitter more and more freelancing, as you're learning more about his state of mind. >> yeah, that's right. we're seeing some of his state of mind playing out, of course, on twitter. we've also learned, erin, that the president has been increasingly relying on his personal cell phone, reaching out to outside advisers, congressional allies. just in recent weeks, and sources we've been speaking with say this is the president wanting to get around his chief of staff john kelly so he doesn't know who he's talking to, because john kelly would then print out if he used the white house switch board, a list of who the president was talking to, so this is largely seen as the president as we've seen previously sort of going back to
his roots, his impulses, his old way of doing things and relying on that personal cell phone use. this as we're seeing the president clearly thinking about pardons. as you pointed out, he tweeted over the weekend about pardoning a boxer posthumously, jack johnson. he pardoned scooter libby. the big question, will he pardon michael cohen, his personal attorney, if it comes to that. sarah sanders would not commit to it, saying she doesn't want to talk about hypotheticals. we're told that the president's legal team does not believe that cohen will flip with authorities. that means he will dish on the president. they don't think he will do that. but they are preparing for all possibilities here, erin, including the possibility that could happen. >> pamela, thank you very much with that reporting from the white house. let's go to victoria toensing, an informal legal adviser to president trump and was asked to join his legal team. that didn't happen. victoria, it's great to have you on the show.
you just heard our reporting, the cohen raid is a concern for the president's team. a source involved in that situation told me it's a hundred percent fair to say the president is apoplectic about it. i guess the question for you, victoria, because you've talked to him, if the president never committed a crime, why is there any concern at all about this michael cohen situation? >> well, the concern could be that he's just very upset that this has happened to somebody. let me just tell you, erin, the rationale for this search was the attorney/client privilege was breached because of the crime fraud exception, which means if there's suspicion the attorney committed a crime then there's no privilege. but i don't hear about big law firms that have possible criminal activity being raided by the feds.
perkins coie, who paid for the dossier to hide that the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign were paying for they didn't get raided. i'm with a small firm, my husband and son and one associate. this is of concern. these high faluting law firms don't get the same treatment, and i'm upset about the system. you don't have to have criminal culpability to be upset to what happened to his lawyer. >> this has been an investigation into michael cohen going on for months. they had to get warrants. they had to have probable cause, all of this was signed off on by a judge. it wasn't somebody's whim, orthopedic,or, i don't like this guy. >> no, i didn't say it was a whim. the warrant was focused on michael cohen. so i don't know why -- and trump was told that he wasn't a target of it. so he shouldn't have any criminal concerns. it's just that i don't like this kind of system that i see.
more despicable than this -- and i don't know the facts behind the warrant, we haven't seen it. so let's let that lie. more despicable is that a federal judge forced him to tell who his other clients are. that's not relevant. >> referring to sean hannity? >> and one other person whose name i don't know. that should never, ever happen by a federal judge. so i'm upset about that very much. >> right. and that other person is obviously elliot broidy, former finance chair at the rnc. the concern here, victoria, i'm trying to understand, whether the president's worried michael cohen would flip on him, if he knows the president did something wrong, or turn on him, in which case, i guess theoretically, according to another trump attorney, jay goldberg, would mean michael cohen lies and tells the feds what he thinks they want to hear, to indict the president. jay goldberg told me that's because michael cohen is a person of weak character and he'll lie to get out of jail. here's what he said to me.
>> well, he's of a type that i've recognized in the past as one not suited to stand up to the rigors of jail life. >> so you think he's of weak character basically? >> i do think so. >> do you agree with that assessment, or do you think the president's right to have that fear? >> i have no idea. i don't know michael cohen. but let me just tell you how unbalanced the criminal justice system. the feds can put the pressure on anybody and say, if you do such and such, we'll let you go. it happened to scooter libby, my client, where he was told, his lawyers were told, that if he just gave criminal information about dick cheney, that he would not be prosecuted. so that's a really -- for weak people, that really is -- maybe they do fold under pressure, as alan dershowitz has said. it's not singing, it's the composing that people should be
fearful about. but the feds can do that. they can put pressure on somebody. but the defense, you can't even contact a witness in a case. so it gets kind of out of kilter as far as who has the more power in a criminal investigation. >> so you mentioned scooter libby, of course your client, the president recently pardoned. the president now tweeting about a possible pardon for jack johnson -- >> wouldn't that be nice? he was convicted for marrying a white woman, for goodness sake. >> yes, taking his girlfriend across state lines, pretty much what you're saying. she was white. convicted in 1913. sylvester stallone called the president about this case a month ago. why do you think that the president is focusing on these pardon cases right now, unless he's trying to send a message to michael cohen or paul manafort -- >> well, if michael cohen or paul manafort do not know that the president has power authority, then they got something wrong with themselves. >> but he's trying to tell them, look, i'll do it to you too, is it a message? >> don't try to read that kind
of message into it. i saw him and i talked to him when he gave scooter libby a pardon. and he was thrilled. he called me and he said, listen, i don't know this guy, all i know is he got screwed and i am so happy to give him his life back. and erin, i did what any tough lawyer did, i cried. >> so the question about this is, though, the president's motive in terms of doing this. right? is he trying to send a signal to cohen? you think he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart? >> i'm telling you, he got a thrill out of giving scooter a pardon. i would think that anybody who could take back a crime, for a black and white woman marrying, that would thrill me to be able to give a pardon for that. i'm sure you would feel the same way. >> it's interesting, i looked into this story, because it seemed so black and white, for lack of a better term. eric holder did an interview
about it with a professor who had done a biography of jack johnson. he said, first of all, posthumous pardoning, you can count them on less than one hand. it's a long process and it doesn't add up to do it for somebody who's dead. he referenced jack johnson's treatment of women as a mitigating factor. he had been known for domestic abuse. do you think the president aware this is more complicated than meets the eye? >> i don't know. but that's why people present documents to the president, or to whatever process they want to use to give the facts so that somebody can study them and make a recommendation to the president. that's how i did it. >> victoria, i know you met with the president at one -- he told you about scooter libby. you met with him to talk about joining his legal team on the russia investigation. his personal attorney put out the press release about your husband, joe digenova joining the team. then it came out neither you,
nor joe, were joining the team. some confusion there. but what was the bottom line? did you have any concern about the president's morality or his guilt? >> oh, my gosh. what a question. that really took me back. my goodness. as we said in the statements that we all made, there was an appearance of conflict. there really was not a real conflict at all, because not one of our three clients said anything adverse to the president. and they had all waived it. but the president and joe and i, and i can talk about this because it was public, we all agreed that the media was going to make hay with it, just like happens, and it was a distraction. it was really a media conflict, more than anything else. and we decided he didn't need that. we have the greatest respect for him. my goodness, no, i didn't have any negative feelings. >> so how often have you been speaking to him or advising him? i know it's an informal capacity, but -- >> i don't talk about that. the only one i talk about, is
the one about scooter, because that was made so public. but let me tell you a conflict that the media has not focused on, and that's rod rosenstein. he has an actual material conflict. because bob mueller is looking at whether the president obstructed justice when he fired comey. i don't agree with that. i think the president has article 2 authority and can fire and hire anybody. >> rosenstein's memo supported the president's point of view. so if there's a conflict of interest, it would seem at the surface to support the president. >> no, but the president -- rod rosenstein was in on the decision-making. he talked with the president about it and then wrote the memo that was made public. so he's a witness. he didn't do anything wrong. i'm not saying he did something wrong. i'm saying, he is a witness, and he is supervising mueller. you can't do that. that's a material legal conflict. >> i hear what you're saying, i'm wondering why it's coming up now as an issue. >> because nobody talks about
it. >> the president said, even rod rosenstein in this memo says i should get rid of comey. he was the justification the president used to do it. now the president all of a sudden is saying it's a problem. >> no, he didn't. i did. i'm talking about it as a lawyer. it's a material, actual conflict that cannot be waived. he's a witness in the case. and mueller is reporting to him. it's just like unheard of legally, and i've been talking about it for months. i'll be glad to come back and talk about it again. >> i'll be glad to have you. and appreciate your time. victoria, thank you. >> okay. next, mike flynn jr. says his father did not lie to the vice president about conversations with the russian ambassador, but isn't that why he was fired by the president? and sean hannity on the defense as a report alleges he got multi million dollar real estate deals with a whole lot of subsidy from the government. does it spell big trouble for the man white house aides dub the unofficial chief of staff? turn up your swagger game with one a day men's.
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claim. listen to the president and the vice president. >> we fired him because he said something to the vice president that was not so. >> i was disappointed to learn that the facts that had been conveyed to me by general flynn were inaccurate. and i fully support the president's decision to ask for his resignation. >> okay, so the president and the vice president are the ones who said flynn lied. and flynn himself has pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his conversations with sbee ambassador kislyak. with me now, my panel, thanks to all. flynn's son, obviously, he's not a nobody. he worked for flynn during the transition, chief of staff. he was intimately involved in everything flynn knew at the time. now calling, i suppose, the president a liar. >> as you say, he's in a
position to know things. and when someone calls the president a liar, that's a credible thing because the president lies all the time. but this is mike flynn jr. of pizza gate fame. this is mike flynn jr. who tweeted more than once about a democrat-run child sex ring beneath a pizza parlor in washington, d.c. so the fact that he's making this allegation now to me doesn't have a lot of weight. >> you know, harry, flynn's son, as frank points out, tweets conspiracy theories at the least, and, you know, general flynn has pleaded guilty in part to protect his son, is what we've reported. sources say he's also a subject in the mueller investigation. so his father, in part to protect the son, had gone ahead with that guilty plea. what do tweets like this mean for the investigation? >> well, they raise a lot of questions about what is in michael flynn, the father's actual thinking. he went into court, he took an oath, he pled guilty to this. is he still talking privately
with his son denying responsibility? is he talking to other people, denying responsibility? it's very damaging for a government investigation, for a cooperating witness, who pleads guilty, to then privately tell people, no, i didn't really do anything. >> and while we're on the legal issue here, the president this weekend tweeted james comey illegally leaked classified documents to the press to generate a special counsel. so the special counsel was established based on an illegal act. does everybody know what that means? he's making a claim the whole investigation is illegal. >> that's not how it works. you don't get to choose who prosecutes you, and you don't get to go to court and tell the department of justice how to allocate its internal prosecutorial functions. whether the president is right about comey or not, and it seems like he's probably not right, because as fbi director, he had tremendous authority to choose a classification level for those
memos when he left. it just isn't how it works. >> so, april, i want to ask you about today's press briefing. because it was a significant moment. you were talking to sarah sanders and asking about the controversial tweet by the president, the one where he wrote, there's a revolution going on in california, so many sanctuary areas, want out of this ridiculous crime infested and breeding concept. and everyone tried to understand what the word breeding could mean that was not a racist interpretation. and here is the exchange that you and jim had with sarah. >> when he used the word "breeding," was he making a derogatory term about latinos in california, that they breed a lot, or that they're prone to breeding? >> no. he's talking about the problem itself, growing and getting bigger. >> what did he mean by breeding? >> again, the president has recognized this is a major problem and a lot of people, even in california, want to see the issue of sanctuary cities
addressed. and the president's doing what he can to do that. >> what does breeding mean to this president? when you think of breeding, you think of animals breeding, populating -- >> i'm not going to begin to think what you think. certainly i think that it can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. but the president is talking about a growing problem, and i addressed that with jim. i don't have anything else to add. >> i mean, april, it's not funny, but yet i hear this, it could mean a lot of things to a lot of people. the president has recognized this as a major problem. but she never actually will go there. >> right. and that begs the question, again, what does "breeding" mean. i even called california congressman barbara lee. she said it's disgusting, period. he meant what he said. some people were suggesting there was an auto correct issue with this president . >> what was it supposed to be in auto correct even?
>> it was supposed to be, according to some people that were talking to reporters, they said breeding contempt. now if it was breeding contempt, you would change it, wouldn't you? so -- and i talked to congresswoman barbara lee of california, she said, he meant what he said in that tweet. and i'm still waiting to find out what the president meant by "breeding." i don't want to assume. and i asked her an open-ended question. but so many people can take it so many different ways, i guess. but i'm asking what the president meant. >> if it was an auto correct, she should have said, and it wasn't. >> that would be a great way out of it. >> by the way, if there's auto correct for him, it would be fixing a lot of other spellings errors and it doesn't. >> this is not a man who is artful with his language. the idea that he used the word breeding for growing or spreading, it doesn't pass the lauft te laugh test. >> and obviously the word "breeding" here, all kinds of
implications that can come from it. all of them are pretty racist. in fact, all of them are pretty racist. >> yes, because you're talking about a community that you're looking down as animals. and it's -- it's -- it's ugly. it's an ugly statement. if this president is a president of all america, if i were a latino american, i'm a minority american, we've heard s-hole comments, we've heard things about charlottesville, the confederate stuff. this just builds on it. it's not normal. and let's just say, it's not normal. for polite company, it's not acceptable. so if he thinks latinos breed, that's what he thinks, but it's wrong. >> and of course, frank, it's the context of what he's said before, about charlottesville and other things, that make this consistent with that, not inconsistent with that. >> this is a president who has been obsessed with anchor
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we actually saved $50,000. and that's just one school, two semesters, three girls. together, we're building a better california. new tonight, sean hannity trying to fight back after a report that he's linked to a series of shell companies which have spent $90 million to buy nearly 900 homes across the country. doing that when there were foreclosures and doing it with the help of the department of housing and urban development, hudd. on his radio show today, hannity claiming that the questions about him on this are simply unfair. >> well, the fact that i am attacked and being held to standards that nobody else is the news business, nobody, has ever been held to, is not surprising, and the absolute
sick and ugly and twisted lying that has gone on as it relates to me is not unexpected. >> here are the facts. >> welcome to this special edition of hannity. >> reporter: sean hannity as an extensive property portfolio. according to a new report, for some of the real estate he used a program set up by the federal government to get it. a detailed report released by "the guardian" said hannity spent the last decade buying homes in several states, ranging from mansions to low-income housing and were reportedly all purchased under the names of shell companies, concealing hannity's ownership. the report states dozens of these properties were bought as a discount in 2013 when homeowners were defaulting on their mortgages. a time when hannity repeatedly criticized the obama administration for hurting home owners. >> the dream of owning your home
has been made a nightmare for many americans under obama. the rate of those who own a home has dropped several percentage points. >> reporter: hannity bought two apartment complexes in rural georgia for $22.7 million. more than half the money came from the department of housing and urban development, which ensured the loans. hannity's loans were recently increased by $5 million under hudd secretary ben carson. >> i'm like, why did you give up being a brain surgeon? and i know you've done a good job. >> reporter: a benefit hannity never disclosed when having carson on his show. the purchases come under scrutiny after hannity was revealed as a client of michael cohen, who is currently under federal investigation. hannity said he sought advice from cohen about real estate deals, but it was a relationship he never revealed, even during
previous relationships with cohen on his show. >> how are you? >> reporter: it's not known if these deals were ever discussed with cohen. in response to "the guardian's" report, hannity said, these are investments that i do not individually select, control, or know the details about, except that obviously i believe in putting my money to work in communities that otherwise struggle to receive such support. >> and it's important to know that sean hannity's real estate attorney is married to a cnn executive. when it comes to properties that hannity owns, next year, ben carson is allowed to have hannity turn some of those rentals into condos which can be very lucrative for hannity. >> thank you very much. and i want to go now to the former white house aide in the clinton administration, keith boykin and former senior economic adviser to the trump campaign, steve moore, also an informal white house adviser. so hannity invests in foreclosed properties. got more money to do so under
secretary carson. here's more of hannity's response. he said, quote, it's ironic i'm being attacked for investing my personal money in communities that badly need such investment and in which i'm sure those attacking me have not invested their money. does he have a point? >> i think he does. >> i think he's completely -- >> go ahead, keith. >> i think he's completely missing the point here. >> sorry. >> i think he's completely missing the point, erin. sorry, steve. the reality is -- the problem is, hannity has a right to spend his money however he wants. nobody cares about that. he's a private system with that respect. but there's an element of disclosure that's required of people who are on television, who are portraying themselves as journalists or at least in his case, as a tv host, you have to disclose things, for example, the fact that he was praising hudd, praising ben carson last year, but not talking about his relationship with hudd, the fact
that he's getting government assistance from hudd. the hypocrisy of this guy who is this conservative ideology, on the government dole, where he's criticizing everybody else for taking government assistance. this is an inconsistency that's a part of the pattern that we saw last week when it was revealed that michael cohen and hannity had an attorney/client relationship that he hadn't disclosed until it came out in court. so hannity has a lot of explaining to do. and actually, one more point, full disclosure, sean hannity has blocked me on twitter. so i need to mention that as well. >> it's all about full disclosure. steve, it is interesting, the inconsistency. i'm not going to say he's the only one who does that, but people love to say they hate a government hand-out until it's theirs. he benefitted from that. keith points out the things that he said about secretary carson, who was the hudd secretary, when some of these loans were happening. i want to just play a couple of
those exchanges for you, steve. >> the real ideal is to get people to move up the ladder of opportunity, not to be complacent. that's going to help us as a nation, to strengthen us. >> you're a good man. i wish you the best. he doesn't even take my calls anymore. becomes the hudd secretary. hannity's out. >> talk to my people. [ laughter ] >> very friendly there, steve, no question about it. but, look, he >> well lack, the fact is he started these investments. the idea is that he is getting some kind of special relationship with had you hud be is friends with carson. he was hardly friendly to the obama administration. so that is a little bit of an unfair characterization. i have studied this program for
30 years and it is one of the most corrupt programs. >> the hud loan program? >> you are not blaming hannity for it. >> here is my other point. i have known shawn for a long time. so i got to know him very well. he does have a lot of wealth. he has made a lot of money. but i do take his word for it that he believed that he was helping. what is the purpose of these programs, it is to bring redevelopment into these areas. >> i am not going to impugn sean
hannity. the reality is that it is not just about the hud program, also the idea that he is criticizing the foreclosure rate. getting discounted price are for for closed property, and shaun han hannity rushes in. >> i don't understand how that is a problem. >> go ahead. >> i have never understood this argument that people like donald trump who bought foreclosed property. that is a good businessman. you buy low. >> next, the suspect in the toronto attack has been identified. we are going to speak to a person who was there and saw it all as it happened and tried to
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a busy street in toronto. the incident is believed to be deliberate. the suspect is a 25-year-old named alek minassian. the video that you see there appears to show a stand off near the scene. the individual appears to be pointing an object at a responding police officer. diego witnessed the attack. i am so sorry what you saw. i know you tried to help people. you were there, you lived near there. you left the gym and what did you see? >> i was actually on my way to the gym. as we were getting closer, the van was coming south on -- i'm sorry, i am still emotional. we just see the van driving down
fast and hit two people. a white male and a black female. and blood started gushing out of his head and she was bleeding badly too. at first i didn't think anything, i thought it was a hit and run. i slowed down my car and kept driving and as i am driving a few meters away north, about four or five people on the ground. some of them moving and some of them motionless and i stopped a little bit and i thought something is going on. so then i kept driving. as i am driving i see a guy on the floor with another guy trying to help. i parked may car and went over and tried to perform cpr on him. and as i am doing it, the guy i was trying to help was dead. he died in our arms. and we were waiting for the
police and the paramedics and firefighters to come in at time. and once they got in, we backed off and waited to speak to the police. it was like a scene from a war zone. there was garbage cans everywhere, broken mailboxes on the ground. and it was really, really horrible. >> and i know that you tried to help that man. then what happened when the police came? >> before the police came, this woman wearing a scarf, she took it off and gave it to us. we covered him until the police came and they told us to back off. and we backed off and we were on the sidewalk waiting until they did their work. >> i am so sorry. i know i can only imagine how
emotional it must be. but it is good that there are people like you who try to help in these horrible moments. thank you very much for your time. thinking of you. and thanks to all of you for joining us. now "ac 360." >> george h.w. bush is in intensive care. the world watched him say farewell to his wife. and within a few hours, president bush was hospitalized. what do we know about the president? >> reporter: sunday morning, he was suffering from an infection. it