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is my nonfiction book about the men and women at combat outpost keating in afghanistan and the people that love them with scott eastwood as the staff sergeant, both they were awarded the medal of honor and orlando bloom first lieutenant keating for whom the outpost was named. that's it for the lead and turn you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." thank you for watching. happening now, presidential pay back. the white house forced to defend its false statements and president trump's about hush money paid to stormy daniels after new lawyer rudy giuliani drops multiple bombshells. as giuliani thrown the legal team into disarray? we are not suckers. rudy giuliani blind sides the white house and accuses robert mueller of trying to trap president trump in committing perjury. will he let mueller interview the president? deadly accurate.
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a former trump presidential campaign aide said after his interview it's clear that investigators are focused on russian collusion. do they now know more about the trump campaign than the people who ran it? and speaking freely, rudy giuliani raises hope north korea will soon release three americans but the white house says it actually can't confirm that. does he have access to national security information? wolf blitzer is off today. you're in "the situation room." the white house bombarded with questions of the bombshell interview of rudy giuliani, the newest member of president trump's legal team, press secretary sanders was just forced to defend false statements she and the president made about hush money paid to porn star stormy daniels. rudy giuliani blindsided the white house revealing what the president knew about the deal and that the former new york mayor linked it to the 2016
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election. the white house now saying that mr. trump eventually learned of the payment to daniels. we're going to talk about that more with congressman of the armed services committee and reporters and experts are also standing by for us. first let's go to the white house and cnn chief correspondent jim acosta. jim, it is evident today they're facing a credibility crisis. >> reporter: absolutely. the white house was back on the heels today with officials insisting they were unaware that the president reimbursed michael cohen for stormy daniels until revealed by rudy giuliani. asked repeatedly whether they were lie og the american people, the white house didn't have any answers. >> what a day. what a beautiful day. >> reporter: the skies were clear and the storm clouds returned for the president who joined christian conservatives for a national day of prayer. >> mr. president, why are you changing your story on stormy
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daniels? >> shame on you. >> reporter: just as the white house scrambling to explain a bombshell revelation of rudy giuliani that mr. trump repaid his personal attorney michael cohen for the hush money paid to stormy daniels who claimed she and the president once had an affair. >> sorry, i'm giving you a fact now you don't know. it's not campaign money. no campaign finance violation. so -- >> they funneled it through a law firm. >> funneled through a law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh. i didn't know -- he did? >> yeah. >> that completely contradicted what the president told reporters just last month. >> mr. president, did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> then why -- why did michael cohen make it if there was no -- >> you have to ask michael. michael's my attorney. you have to ask michael. >> do you know where he got the money? to make that payment? >> i don't know. >> reporter: giuliani's
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explanation for that? the president didn't know about the reimbursement until just recently. >> he didn't know the details until we knew the details chas couple of weeks ago. >> reporter: that differs of this tweet that who cohen was on a monthly retainer. he entered into through reimbursement and tweet the agreements are common among celebrities and people of wealth. the agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair. the stunning admission of the president also runs counter to multiple denials of white house officials. >> there was no knowledge of any payments from the president and he's denied all of these allegations. >> reporter: white house press secretary sanders told she learned of the reimbursement last night. >> were you lying to us at the time or in the dark? >> the president denied and continues to deny the underlying claim andive given the best information i had at the time
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and i would refer you back to the comments you yourself just mentioned a few minutes ago about the timeline of major giuliani. >> in reference to the reimbursement, the payment. >> again, i gave you the best information i had. and that -- >> a shot in the dark. >> reporter: on fox, giuliani tried to explain away all of the past false statements including from cohen stating he was not reimbursed. giuliani said it wasn't for going around the -- >> to save their marriage as much as the reputation. >> reporter: and then why he fired james comey. >> he fired comey because comey would not among other things say that he wasn't a target of the investigation. he's entitled to that. >> reporter: and describing the president's son-in-law jared kushner as disposable. >> if they do do ivanka which i doubt they will, the country
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will turn on her. going after his daughter? >> son-in-law. talked about him. >> i guess jared is a fine man. you know that. but men are, you know, disposable. but a fine woman like ivanka? come on. >> reporter: and liken the federal agents that raided cohen's office and the investigation to nazi storm troopers. >> the question there was, only possible violation there would be was it a campaign finance violation and usually a fine. not a big storm troopers coming in and breaking down his apartment and breaking down his office. >> now, giuliani appeared to cross a line in the comments to the media. one point stating that the three american prisoners held in north korea being released and whether the president gave him to permission to discuss the matters the white house press secretary said she didn't know and one thing to point out to viewers when the white house press secretary says she is giving us the best information she has that's not the same thing as telling the truth.
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brianna? >> that was evident today. thank you. we want to bring in political correspondent sarah murray and, sara, listening to rudy giuliani in the interviews, he is coming out hard against the mueller investigation. >> that's right. he is hitting back at the mueller investigation and also laying out a long list of demands for what the team needs to do to sit down with the president, what is not clear is whether giuliani's approach is to the benefit of his client. >> reporter: the president's increasingly combative approach of robert mueller on full display thanks to his new lawyer rudy giuliani. >> if their objective, we can work together out, if they're not then we have to shake hands and basically go into a litigation over do they have the power to subpoena? and i think they have lost that power. that is completely tainted investigation. >> reporter: trump's long time
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adviser and now lawyer parroting the talking points. >> a witch hunt. >> reporter: accusing the mueller's team of a perjury trap for president. >> started as collusion with the russians. no. >> right. >> now they go to obstruction of justice, collusion among the players. what they're trying to do is trap him in perjury. >> talk about that -- >> we are not suckers. >> reporter: there's no indication the investigation of possible collusion of the trump campaign and the russians concluded. former trump adviser michael caputo says he hasn't seen evidence of collusion but that's what the team was focused on swer viewing him this week. >> there are things that they're tracking down and i think they're very focused on russian collusion. i think they believe that they'll get to something. these guys are ready for whoever comes in to that room. it is a very unpleasant experience. >> reporter: giuliani may have added a twist. the president offered up shifting explanations for firing
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fbi director james comey. first, he said it was because of the recommendation from deputy attorney general rod rosenstein over the handling of the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. then he said it was because of the russia investigation, a comment he later tried to walk back. now giuliani is adding a new reason. >> he fired comey because comey would not among other things say that he wasn't a target of the investigation. he's entitled to that. >> reporter: lawyers negotiate with the mueller team of a potential interview with the president, giuliani's making the case that mueller's powers are limited. >> cannot indict him. i don't believe they can subpoena him. >> reporter: he's laying out a strict set of demands. >> they will have to treat him the same way as clinton, two and a half hours. we end. we walk out. >> reporter: now, we know mueller's team raised the idea of subpoenaing the president and
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may be a clash decided by the courts. >> thank you so much for that report. rudy giuliani's comments are rocking the white house legal team. evan perez is working this for us. what's the reaction? >> stunned, blindsided, angry, frankly, because giuliani sort of on the handy show on fox news allegedly there to make the case that the president is being treated unfairly, especially when you consider the way hillary clinton was treated in their view and they also -- he was also there to make the case that the president should be believed over anything that the former fbi director james comey has to say. obviously, this went really, really off the rails. the president's new lawyer rudy giuliani told dana bash this morning that he coordinated everything, everything he said he spoke to the president before he went on the handy show and he spoke to the president afterwards.
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everything was coordinated at least according to rudy giuliani to dana bash. >> is there any evidence that giuliani coordinating the comments with the rest of the legal team? is there a sense he went rogue? >> no. it was completely rogue. he did not do that, at least according to the sources that we have been talking to. look. for months, the president's legal team that's been handling the russia investigation has been very, very strict about not talking about the stormy daniels matter because, frankly, has nothing to do with the russian collusion investigation, at least that's the way they have told us and so for months they have been very disciplined. there's not been a lot of discipline about this team. you've seen a lot of turnover and remained constant trying not to talk about this. rudy just went there and basically just went over the lines and so everybody was learning this as they were watching fox news. frankly, we were texting some members of the legal team as it was going down and they were all sort of stunned as it was happening. >> evan perez, thank you so
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much. i want to get more on this with reuben guyiaga. i want your reaction to the language of rudy giuliani, the president's new personal attorney. he called federal law enforcement agents storm troopers, accuses robert mueller of trying to lay a perjury trap for the president. what is your reaction to that? >> well, i just like to kind of remind people of a democratic president or had it come under brahm barack obama's administration the public would have been losinging their mind. payments to an adult film star, campaign finance violation and personal attorney calls our, you know, fbi agents and our federal agents in general basically nazis the fact that this is not even a big story tells you how dysfunctional this whole
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administration is. and to what degree of chaos that this president's caused. >> he also shifted the rationale for why james comey the fbi director fired when he gave that interview last night. the original memo drafted said it was because comey mishandled the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. president trump said on national tell to lesser holt because of the russia thing and told -- sort of said he got some pressure relieved when he talked to russians in the oval office and now giuliani saying it's because comey wouldn't say publicly that the president was not a target. he said hillary clinton got that and the president couldn't get that. >> again, the president and his administration just continue lying. either through the proxy huckabee sanders or through their lawyer and sometimes even through trump himself and why we need a full investigation. mueller needs to continue the investigation and should not be impeded by the president or the republicans in the house of representatives or in congress
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because we can't get a straight answer and if giuliani's afraid of the president perjuring himself, do not lie. his own personal attorney feels that the president has a proclivity to lying and trying to protect him from that and tells you the administration we're dealing with. >> there's an interesting warning of michael caputo, former trump adviser that met with the special counsel team yesterday and told cnns investigators are clearly focusing on collusion and said they know more about the trump campaign than anyone that ever worked there. what does that tell you? did you take anything away from that? >> i'm not taking too much because we need mueller to continue the investigation. but from what i've seen publicly and this is even from admissions of the trump administration there was definitely high level contacts of the campaign and the russians. and they denied it whole time until, again, it all got slowly
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leaked out so we know that top level campaign officials met with russians in trump tower. we know there's discussion and agreement there was going to be an exchange of information, maybe didn't happen but we know also that russians wanted to see secretary clinton lose and donald trump do better. >> do you take it to mean that the special counsel is despite what the president has asserted focused on collusion and not just obstruction of justice? >> i take it that the special prosecutor is looking at everything. and any -- anything that has to do specifically with the trump administration and any type of abuse of power or breaking of the law that they find and the process of this investigation. the problem that you have with this administration is that the lies, the corruption and the obstruction is just endless and sometimes it's basically them just shooting themselves in the foot and causing i think a lot more chaos and investigations to keep going further. >> congressman, thank you so
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much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thank you for your time. next, the white house defends president trump's shifting story on what he knew about the stormy daniels hush deal and when he knew it. and the president's new lawyer rudy giuliani raises hope of imminent release of three americans held by north korea. why doesn't the white house seem to know about it? ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, ... with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring.
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sided them revealing that mr. trump reimbursed michael cohen for the hush money that cohen paid to porn star stormy daniels and giuliani said the president knew about the payment contradicting the president and the white house. cnn national correspondent sarah sidener with the latest for us. he went way off what's been the white house script. >> this is a huge development. everyone gasped when they were listening to what rudy giuliani was saying. he's part of their legal team because for months we have been hearing from the white house, denying there was any affair and then heard of donald trump himself that he knew nothing about this supposed deal for $130,000 he says this was all michael cohen. tonight, the white house is struggling to explain a startling admission of rudy giuliani, the newest member of president trump's legal team, telling fox news that the president did repay the $130,000 in hush money to his personal
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attorney michael cohen after cohen paid off porn star stormy daniels. >> that money not campaign money. sorry. i'm giving you a fact you don't know. it's not campaign money. no campaign finance violation. so -- >> they funneled it through the law firm. >> funneled through the law firm and the president repaid it. >> oh. i didn't know -- he did? >> yeah. >> no campaign finance law? >> zero. >> reporter: giuliani revealed trump had to know about the payment which the president denied on air force one just last month. >> did you know about the $130 payment to stormy daniels? >> no, no. >> then why did michael cohen make that -- >> you have to ask michael cohen. michael's my attorney and you'll have to ask michael cohen. >> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> i don't know, no.
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>> reporter: the revelation undercuts what press secretary sanders told the american people in march. >> i had conversations with the president about this. there was no knowledge of any payments from the president and he's denied the allegations. >> reporter: giuliani back on fox this morning trying to clear things up claiming trump wasn't made aware of the payment until recently. >> he didn't know the details of this until we knew the details of it which is a couple of weeks ago, maybe ten days ago. didn't ask. cohen made it go away. he did his job. >> reporter: the president turning to twitter to try to make his case calling the reimbursement to cohen part of the monthly retainer and calling daniels' claims of an affair extortionist accusations but just last month the original attorney who negotiated the $130,000 payment for daniels told cnn it was cohen who first reached out to him. >> michael cohen calls you up and said what about stormy
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daniels? >> he says, i'm hearing rumblings out there the press is poking around about stormy daniels. do you have information? >> did you? >> no. >> what did you say? >> i'll call you back. >> reporter: common cause which has filed complaints of the rush payment says if giuliani is right that could actually spell trouble for the president. >> the fact that donald trump knew about this payment means both cohen and donald trump are subject to criminal liability here for these violations. >> reporter: have you spoke on the the president about this case? trump's attorney charles harder so far declined to comment publicly but stormy daniels current attorney is seizing on giuliani's comments. >> there's been lie after lie told to the american people relating to this transaction, the agreement, the payment. we now know that that was an absolute lie on videotape aboard
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air force one and i think it's a disgrace. >> reporter: sources telling cnn that some of his legal team had no idea that this was coming. they were completely caught off guard. the question is, what is the truth? >> cnn's sara sidner. thank you for that report. coming up, rudy giuliani with a way to deal with robert mueller's russia investigation. why did he blind side the trump legal team? hey! we didn't have a homeowners claim last year
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following the legal and political aftershocks following the latest round of interviews by president trump's new attorney rudy giuliani. sources telling cnn that the president's legal team has been thrown into confusion and disarray by disclosures that giuliani is making. lets's bring in the political and legal experts to talk about this. gloria, you have been talking to a lot of your sources. tell us what you're hearing about the legal team and the white house staff and obviously what is a frustrating situation for many of them. >> i'm talking to sources and pamela brown and evan perez and hearing that rudy giuliani threw a hand grenade into the middle of what they were trying to get together as a cohesive legal strategy because they brought new lawyers on the team, they have the raskins of florida, 'em
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met flood into the white house. trying to get the meetings with mueller on target again to see what either they're going to have the president testify or not. and suddenly rudy giuliani and he probably spoke with the president about this and they all believed that this is a rudy presidential kind of thing that they concocted. he goes on tv and supposed to message, supposed to say this is unfair to the president. comey's a liar and all the -- you know, the fbi is unfair and the rest of it and instead he veers off into the stormy daniels territory and ends up telling a story that actually contradicts what the president has said. so the team is infuriated and they say we look stupid and they say it looks like we're calling one play at a time because they are. >> because they are. susan hennessey, when you look at this, it looks like perhaps it's rudy giuliani's objective but it certainly was not the
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objective of the team at large. do you think this was something that giuliani considered the ramifications of or happy with the outcome of or probably should not be. >> i think we have to consider a complex legal landscape. the daniels litigation. the new dnc lawsuit. emoluments legislation and need the lawyers to be well coordinated. we have actually seen rudy giuliani's comments come back to haunt trump legally in the past a year ago in may 2017, rudy giuliani went on tv and said the president told me that he wanted a muslim ban and so i told him this was how to do it legally. that showed up in court filings weeks later. >> undercuts when your argument in court it's not a muslim ban. >> right. what the president may find is the pr strategy and it is not a legal strategy might emotionally satisfy him in the moment but in
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the law words matter and i think he'll regret this. >> joey jackson, what do you make of the legal contributions of rudy giuliani we could say? >> it's bizarre. i'm one that felt that bringing him on was a genius move. why? familiar with the process. he was the u.s. attorney in the southern district, familiar with the players. i thought that was favorable and more important is the fact that he has the stature to tell his client no teen direct the client in terms of what to do but when you come out like this it's problematic for three reasons. three cardinal sins. number one, you contradict your client the president in terms of knowledge of the payment. wow! right? bewildered and befuddled by that. contradict coe hen saying i did it myself. he had no idea. number three, establish a nexus of the payment and the campaign and left scratching my head saying what are they doing? further more, let's talk about something very basic. the truth. is there any regard for that?
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right? when you walk into a courtroom at all times that i have walked in as a former prosecutor, as a defense attorney now, people swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth to help me. swear or affirm. what's coming out of the white house on a daily basis are things that there's no credibility there. the voracity is zero. the strategy seems to go every day in a different direction. so it really bewilders you, frustrates you and really, you know, the american people should know that we're not being leveled with and problematic. >> chris, speaking of that, watching the white house briefing this afternoon and sarah sanders the press secretary who's stood there flat footed saying this and that. let's play this. this is what she's saying previously and inaccurately on this subject. >> we give the very best information that we have at the time. we give the best information possible at the time. and we're going to continue to do that every tie. that's the best information i
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had at the time. again, i gave you the best information i had. i'm going to continue to do my best to do that every single day. >> that's her explanation today but she told the press that she learned about this latest bombshell when the rest of us did and it contradicts what she said in the past. what do you make of that? >> best information i had is a euphemism for what i said before was not true. but i wasn't lying because that was the information i was given. and in her defense if you talk to the president and the president says this is how it is, you go out if you're the press secretary and largely say, i talked to the president. here's how he says it is and what she said on march 7th. turns out that what the president told her isn't how it is. so she's now put in literally an impossible situation by rudy giuliani and the president of the united states who are operating as gloria mentioned sort of as a rogue unit at the moment. got me to thinking about
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watching giuliani last night and then the reaction today, it's like if you go up in a baseball game and you swing and you're nowhere near three pitches and strike out but when you're walking back you're like, ha ha, nailed it. do you know what i mean? like -- everything he did to joey's point, everything he did was like the opposite. you're undermining the president, michael cohen, connecting it to the campaign. like -- >> you have seen press secretaries who it's frustrating way to reporters and willfully remain ignorant. >> yes. >> they try to give themselves some protection. this is different. what do you do as a press secretary when someone -- when you are not getting the truth? >> correct. >> this is what leaves some to bail. >> the issue she has is what she -- what happened here is quite clear. she asked donald trump about the payment. donald trump at best misled. and at worst lied. about it to her. she then went out and presented that information.
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gloria, it's -- there's not -- it's not complicated. she's clearly wants to keep her job. is not going to quit and saying i'll do the best to my ability. >> i don't know. >> radically undermined. >> she seemed today completely sad and rattled i would have to say by this. and so are the president's legal team. i mean, why resurrect this story? as you point out there's so much other stuff they have to deal with and trying to get on the right track. >> and they had a story. they had a story. >> we have so much more to talk about. a quick break. we have more news to discuss with you guys. stick around with me. we'll be right back. and a little nervous. but not so much about what market volatility may do to their retirement savings. that's because they have a shield annuity from brighthouse financial, which allows them to take advantage of growth opportunities in up markets, while maintaining a level of protection in down markets. so they can focus on new things like exotic snacks.
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and professional interviews that feels more like an interrogation than an interview. >> joey jackson, when you hear caputo saying, that what does it tell about the direction of the special counsel? >> it tells me caputo warning everybody else to come in the room to be truthful because they know a lot more than you do and a lot more than you think. let's talk about briefly how prosecutors and investigators work. when you're invited into that room, there's something called a proffer and there's something called a reverse proffer. proffer first. that's when tell me what you know about things. problem is, that they already know what you know and don't know and generally records to substantiate what they're talking about so you're just confirming their knowledge and if you step outside of that box it's a problem because of perjury. reverse proffer is something that i think eventually michael cohen will walk into when that is, look, let's caught deal. this is all the stuff we know. tell me what we need to know about trump and we'll forgive
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it. that's when prosecutors tell you all the information so caputo is being very clear saying of professional people, they know it all. if you don't come clean there's a lot more than five guilty pleas as we stand right now, 19 indictments. >> it is a message of someone not going before the special counsel. none more so than donald john trump to weigh whether or not to do it. biggest argument of donald trump doing it is donald trump talks, he says stuff, a lot of stuff that's not true or backed up by facts. when you are confronted with someone who's as orderly as organized and knows as much as it appears according to caputo the mueller team knows, donald trump can get himself into a lot of legal problems by doing so. >> if you watched him be deposed before, he does stumble that way, susan. >> right. look. we clearly see that caputo is
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completely overwhelmed and understands now how good mueller's team is. i do think that this is a warning to people. i also think it's a warning to trump himself. you know, this stuff is scary. it costs a lot of money. it puts your family in jeopardy and whenever trump thinks about the various actors in the world sitting down for very, very intense engagements meanwhile putting rudy giuliani on tv just because he feels like it, you know, you have to think about the message and might change the calculations. >> not going to testify, period. >> right. >> what rudy giuliani is trying to do and inartfully yesterday is to give the message to the american people and trump started it. the reason i won't testify because you can't trust these people. you can't trust the fbi. >> trap. >> it's a trap. you can't trust the investigators. you can't trust the investigation. and why should i go sit down with those guys? i'm not going to do it. so this is the predicate that rudy giuliani is supposed to be out there laying, not the stormy
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daniels issue which is what he did yesterday. >> thank you so much to all of you. we are unfortunately out of time but coming up, the white house calls on north korea to show goodwill setting free three detained americans l. they be set free any time soon?
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told reporters it would be a sign of goodwill if they released three detained americans before the summit with kim jong-un. cnn's brian todd is following developments. are there any indications this could happen soon? >> one official with knowledge says the release is imminent, rudy giuliani said it would be today. the white house and state department seemed to dial back on all of it. the fate of three americans detained by kim jong-un's regime is a mystery. president trump tweeted "stay tuned." rudy giuliani, the president's new legal adviser, but not government employee, made a bold promise. >> we got kim jong-un impressed enough to be releasing three prisoners today. >> other officials in the white house and state department couldn't verify the three would be released imminently. >> we can't confirm the validity
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of any of the reports currently out about their release. >> some administration officials tell cnn they were frustrated that guilliani was saying too much too soon. one u.s. official said they were confident of a release, but officials are working to verify reports that the three americans were moved from labor camps to a hotel in pyongyang. >> what they do is before they release hostages, give them good food, put them in hotel, move them from prisons. those are good signs but they were unjustly apprehended. >> teachers at a science university arrested spring of last year, accused of hostile acts against north korea. the longest held was arrested in october, 2015, charged with spying for south korea. when cnn interviewed him, he seemed to be aware of north koreans were monitoring the situation. >> i committed an act of
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espionage against north korea. i gathered information about its nuclear program and military facilities. >> south korean intelligence denied that. >> that was definitely a forced confession. we have seen this done to many other american detainees, actually all american detainees. >> the former u.s. special representative for north korea was the official that went last year to get american otto warmbier out of pyongyang before he died. he says he was the last nonnorth korean to see the three americans currently held june of last year. >> what was their condition then? >> i saw them of course in the presence of north korean authorities, i talked to one by one all three of them, and certainly when i asked them how their health was, they responded it was good. >> former negotiators say kim jong-un is releasing the americans because he knows a summit with president trump won't happen if he doesn't.
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what conditions could they have faced in labor camps? >> they're under extraordinary pressure. there's psychological pressure as we have learned from many of the former hostages. there's actual physical torture involved as well. >> these three americans will undoubtedly be debriefed by u.s. intelligence when they get out, and likely give information on where they were held and other conditions. but there's a lot they will not be able to say. they say in north korea american detainees are held separately from north korean prisoners, and given much better food and other conditions. the last thing kim jong-un wants these people say is for the americans to be able to give specific information about how harsh north korean labor camps really are. >> brian, how much rule did mike pompeo play in the release? >> by all indications, he played a major role. pompeo while still cia director went on a secret trip, met with
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kim jong-un over easter weekend. a u.s. official says he raised that issue of detained americans then. the people that really know about negotiations say they have no doubt pompeo's trip got this moving, it might have been the decisive factor in the release, if it indeed happens soon. >> brian todd, thank you for that report. coming up, the white house forced to defend false statements after rudy giuliani's bombshell revelation about the stormy denials hush deal. stormy daniels hush deal and what president trump knew. prz prz prz .
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