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quite brilliant job so far since the wedding was announced. >> have you gotten your information? >> i think it is stuck in the post. we will compensate by having a party to celebrate our 800 closest friends. >> thank you very much. good to talk to you. >> tomorrow i will be live to preview the royal wedding here on "new day". saturday, live for prince harry and meghan markle's special day. saturday morning at 4:00 a.m. eastern. thanks to our international viewers. for you cnn talk is next. for our u.s. viewers, "new day" conditions right now. >> he told me mueller's team informed trump's team that the justice department can't indict a sitting president. >> it's an issue that has never been resolved. i happen to think he could be
indicted. >> meeting the people associated with the russian government is never a good thing. >> i don't think anybody believes that he did not tell donald trump about this. >> i would never take anything unsubstantiated to him. it's waste of his time. >> i needs something that helps memory loss because he has a serious problem. either that, or he's lying. >> the debt to michael cohen is reportable and had to be reported on the form. >> how does somebody reimburse a payment and not know about it. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to your "new day". giving insight into trump's legal strategy kind of if he faces a subpoena. >> new details surfacing about the infamous 2016 trump tower
meeting involving the russians. they just released 2,000 pages of documents. we have it all covered for you. let's start with jessica schneider live in washington with our top story. >> good morning, alisyn. rudy guiliani looking to draw clear lines in the legal landscape. he says since special counsel has no authority to indict a sitting president, the only option is to cry a report for any possible impeachment proceedings. while giuliani is offering new insight into the strategy, new documents are revealing even more details from the june 2016 trump tower meeting. president trump's lawyer, rudy guiliani, telling cnn that special counsel mueller's team does not believe they can charge a sitting president with a crime
under justice department guidelines. giuliani saying, all they get to do is write a report. they can't indict. at least they acknowledged that to us after some battling. they acknowledged that to us. giuliani indicating they may use this reason to go justify potentially refusing to grant mueller an interview with the president. >> what we're going to do is we're going to see what kind of legal remedies are available to us, including, if they subpoena is us, challenge the subpoena. the same reason they can't indict him, they can't issue ato him. >> reporter: but the issue has never been tested in court. mueller's team, which declined to comment, it is unclear if they would challenge the youngstanding guidelines. >> if indictment is the course he chooses to go, i believe would be upheld by the courts. >> reporter: this as new documents shed light on the infamous june 2016 meeting in trump tower. british publicist gold stone who arranged the meeting thought russian lawyer natalia
vitselskaya had a smoking gun. a russian lobbyist told senators trump jr. kicked off the meeting by telling his russian guests, so i believe you have some information for us. multiple attendees said they ultimately left with nothing. >> there was such a nothing. it was a waste of 20 minutes, which was a shame. >> reporter: jared kushner appeared infuriated when the russian lawyer focused on russian sanctions telling her, i really have no idea what you're talking about. could you please focus a bit more and maybe just start again. in his testimony, donald trump jr. admitted he was interested in listening to information about hillary clinton, contradicting the initial story put out by the white house that the meeting was about adoptions. when asked about the president's involvement in crafting that statement, don jr. telling investigators he may have come through it hope hicks.
something the white house later conceded. >> the president weighed in as any father would. >> reporter: donald jr. also repeatedly testified that he does not recall telling his father about the meeting. phone records show he called a blocked number before and after arranging the meeting and again on the date it occurred. democrats know that former campaign aide corey lewandowsky he previously testified that trump's primary residence has a blocked number. two days before the meeting, candidate teased about something that never happened. >> we will be discussing all the things that have taken place with the clintons. i think you will find it very informative and very, very interesting. >> and today is the one-year anniversary of when robert mueller was appointed as special counsel. it does remain to be seen if the president will comment on this since there has been confusion whether they will hold a previously planned news conference with the nato secretary today. it was on the nato secretary's schedule, but it is not right now on the white house schedule. as for rudy guiliani, he says he
plans to use this one-year anniversary to push special counsel to disclose how much money is being spent and to actively begin negotiating any possible interview with the president. chris and alisyn. >> appreciate it. let's bring in david gregg skpreu jeffrey toobin. we know this much. if the best argument you have is this is costing too much money. terms of political implications of one year, now, we know by precedent standards, one year is nothing. but what does it mean politically? >> i think it is a dark cloud over the presidency of president trump. he withstood the political heat this represents because he has really embraced the idea that they are out to get him. he played it well amongst his supporters, in congress, and the public. i think he's done a lot to bring
trouble on himself to make it meatier. in the end, i don't know when he will be judged for this. but at some point the fact that he has treated this so unseriously, that he has not treated the threat this represents of what the russians actually did is an incredible dereliction of his responsibility, which is separate from whatever the impact of the investigation is. but right now i think it carries a lot of punch against him and the republicans. but i still see a ceiling there for mueller and the investigation, which doesn't really attach to the president. it gets close but doesn't attach to him at the moment. >> jeffrey, a sitting president can be be indicted? >> we don't know yet. the justice department policy, which is not a law, policy has been since the 1970s that a
president cannot be indicted. >> that's what giuliani is hanging his hat on? >> correct. and there is constitutional law that the president is so central to one of the three branches of government that the disruption would simply be too great to force him to sit in a courtroom, to deal with the stress of a criminal case. but there are a lot of other investigations in to mueller. the indictment issue is not the be all end all. >> there is a back door here, which is you're right. i can't indict you as president. but i can develop evidence for a case that we'll indict you on after you leave office. there is still a basis for wanting to get the facts on the ground. >> you can't be subpoenaed.
>> you can't subpoena him either. the interesting thing is not only does it not make sense legally, listen to what rudy guiliani said about this about a democrat in 1998. >> if the president is asked to testify, subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury and says no, not going to do it. >> you have to do it. you don't have a choice. >> the question took 45 seconds. >> that's the least of his problems. asking long questions. >> he was unequivocal about what a subpoena meant there. >> this is where giuliani's role in this has been such a curious choice. the one thing he is hammering away on is what you were alluding to, the political dimension of this. i'm sure at some level trump
wants to sit down with mueller. i'm sure he thinks he probably can answer a lot of these questions. his lawyers probably recognize it as a bad idea. what's the fodder of that report? he may bring other indictments. was there obstruction of justice, all becomes fodder for potential impeachment proceeding if you have a democratic house. that's where things get nasty. this is what giuliani and the president is preparing for now, what the next year is going to look like of trying to undermine who mueller is, what the investigation was, and what his findings are purchase. >> and we just have to keep remembering how leak free the mueller investigation has been. how little we know about what they're doing. remember when he indicted the 13 russians. no one even knew he was investigating that. one of the questions legal issues he has not yet addressed mueller, is the whole issue of the hacking.
he has not indicted anyone for the hacking of the democratic national committee, wikileaks. >> at one time we thought that was the heart of the matter. we thought it was the biggest headline. >> a case may yet be coming on that. will any americans be involved? in the social media case, it was all russia. the question of whether any americans were involved in that hacking is a much more politically significant question than the russians which we think is a given at this point. >> suspect the question, wh difference will this make at the end of the day? i don't think anybody has seen any basis in evidence offered up to make that look like a likely outcome anyway. if his numbers are 40, and they've always been 40, and you have the partisans taking sides where every development is seen
two different ways, what difference is this going to make? >> we're in a climate where we were talking about impeachment against bill clinton and how the tribalism in our politics has evolved from that point, that this whole investigation becomes a metaphor for overreach against donald trump, potentially, that everything people don't like about the media and about democrats and elites in america will be symbolized by this investigation if in many people's minds it comes up short. getting to the truth of who may have done wrong is really important. how is a country we position ourselves to deal with bad actors like russia, and we have now had two intelligence committees in the house and senate completely waste everybody's time because they are in such die srurpblg epbt paths. i think they have done an
incredible job. on the house side, it is completely different. where is the political will to do something meaningful? >> you were saying what difference does it make politically. after 2016, i certainly don't trust my own instincts in terms of knowing what the public will do or vote. i hope it is not naive or too journalistic to say i think it matters what happens. i think we need to know as americans. we need to know for the future how the 2016 campaign unfolded and who did what. and also was there any obstruction of justice in the early part of the trump administration. >> i agree with you 100%.
the truth matters. it would be nice to stop it next time. people are saying oh, year, they're still doing it. it is probably going to be worse. i'm just saying politically impact, trump has been so effective with his fringe surrogates of taking a man, bob mueller, i was concerned when he was named, man, he is a big time represent. he can be fair in this. to making him seem like he's chuck schumer. he might as well be doing this. a completely partisan hack bad guy who can't be trusted. they have been really effective. >> this is a part of our politics today that is so concerning. just to underline how important it so, i just read a report by tim snyder the historian who wrote on tyranny. the road to unfreedom. i may have the title wrong.
it goes back to what the russians did in the ukraine. you think about the road to 9/11, how it changed our politics, our media, we are not dedicating the same resources to figure out what this kind of threat represents. that is the thing i can't understand. >> david gregory, jeffrey toobin, thank you both very much e. great to talk to you. >> i'm not calling schumer a hack. i'm saying they may as well look at mueller look a pwaebig democ. president trump blaming democrats. here's what he said says to you, the american people. the democrats gave us laws that are forcing us to break up the families who cross the border illegally. facts first right after this. is it the right time? yes. and you feel good about it. because you're doing this for him in return for everything he's always done for you.
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a lot of it needs to be examined. let's start with this. >> we have to break up families. the democrats gave us that law. it's a horrible thing that we have to break up families. the democrats gave us that law, and they don't want to do anything about . they will leave it like that because they don't want to make any changes. now you are break up families because of the democrats. it's terrible. >> to be honest, i don't know what he's talking about. this took time to fact check. the claim is certainly false. because what recent law designed by democrats is intended to break up families? the bush administration enacted a law in 2008 that was designed to protect central american children from human trafficking, ensuring every child who arrived at the border would get a hearing. now, what happened was you had so many kids, it there was a backlog. then you split up the families because of time and
circumstance, not by intention necessarily. so as for intentionally splitting up families, the only legal guidance there is on that was publicly floated by trump's own attorney general. listen. >> if you're smuggling a child, we will prosecute you. and that child will be separated from you probably as required by law. if you don't want your child to be separated, then don't bring them across the border illegally. it's not our fault that somebody does that. >> now, why does this matter? it matters because the law isn't the end. it is about how it is enforced. decisions on prosecution. that changes with each administration. look at jeff sessions. president trump also made a claim about the border wall and how far along it is. take a listen. >> we have started the wall. we are spending $1.6 billion between fixing and starting. you know, melissa, what's been going on?
we're getting it up. amount of folks in california don't talk bit. they want the wall up. they're very happy. that's one of the reasons we started in california. but we made a lot of progress on it. >> the governor jerry brown says that's not true. it could be politics. we know there have been a few prototypes but the new wall has not in fact, been started. of course this will get to the definition of what started is. $1.6 billion is the number he got out of the original 25 that the president asked for. our accounting shows it has gone towards shoring up the existing wall and fence. trump showed off pictures in march. that was just fabrication. that was old fencing repairs that was going on. the plans for what were originally drawn up in 2009. so those are the facts. some of this stuff could be debated. we should do that right now. let's discuss all of it with ana
navarro and rick santorum. i give you right of first reply. anything i say that offends reason or truth? >> the 2018 law you referred to was in fact, passed by a democratic congress, signed by george bush but something in 2007, 2008 -- >> but doing the check had bipartisan support all the way down the road. so to call it a democrat law -- >> the democrats controlled it. when a party controls the congress they move what they want to move. they moved that bill. it is hyperbole to say just the democrats but not completely inaccurate. >> that's not the standard. we know the democrats didn't put us in this mess. this is about congress. it is about enforcement. ana, let's talk about that, why
sessions matters. why nielsen matters. the law exists. you can make choices. they're making choices. what do you make of those choices? >> it happens with practically every law. they have a lot of leeway to determine how to regulate the law, how to execute the law. how to put it into actual practice. they have obviously taken this decision of splitting up families. he's right. this is not the first time this happened. and there is a problem with minors coming to the border. there is a part of this that is determined. it is dangerous for minors, for families to cross the border. there is a lot of abuses, rapes. a lot of horrible things that happen. what do we do with the families once they're split up? i'm a lot less concerned about the demagoguery about the ball
that is not getting built and the money he doesn't have about the law. that wasn't just a democrat law that is being implemented by miss family. i'm a lot more concerned why he calls immigrants animals. when we start dehumanizing people. he says he was talking about the white house, says he was talking about ms-13. >> let's play the sound. here's the sound. >> we have people coming into the country, trying to come in -- we're stopping a lot of them. but we're taking people out of the country. you wouldn't believe how bad these people are. these aren't people. these are animals. >> the defense is he was following up on a statement of a sheriff saying this is ms-13. he was just talking about ms-13. good enough? >> no, not good enough. not good enough from a president who has called countries in central america like haiti shutholes, talked about haitians having aids, not good enough from a president who said people in africa live in huts and why
would they can come here. that's why he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. and not good enough when you see the level of division we are seeing in america. yesterday i saw a video of a complete bigoted racist in midtown manhattan screaming racist expletives at two women who worked there when were speaking spanish to each other, the same way i suspect your family spoke italian to each other and rick's family spoke italian to each other. >> and still do. >> he was a big trump supporter. i'm not saying all trump supporters are like this. i'm not saying all trump supporters are deplorable. but i am saying the president of the united states has to measure his words and be more careful about what he said. it is a slippery slope when you start dehumanizing people in this way. sit what the nazis did. it is not what americans do. >> rick, she lost you at nazi. what's your defense?
>> this is when they turn off the media when they start going after the president. they take something that is completely explainable and perfectly accurate within context of the president talking about people that they are deporting now, and there was an emphas emphasis, as there always has been, on the criminal element being he deported. the sheriff was talking about ms-13. and the president was commenting on those very individuals. to say he doesn't get a pass because he said offensive things in the past, sorry, that doesn't cut it. he is able to accurately reflect his mood, the mood of many in the room, and millions of americans that these are in fact, bad people who are, quote, animals, and who are doing horrific things within our country. i understand that people sometimes -- hyperb on ole can offend people.
that was the context the president made the kphrepcommen? >> why is he not getting the benefit because of what he said in the past. if i were to list for you all the things he said about immigrants, how many would you own yourself and say i agree with him about that. most of the people coming from mexico are the drug dealers and africans live in huts and what kind of people live in hahaiti, what kind of hole it is. how many of those would you agree with? >> ion't think that's important. >> it is important. look at the content analysis. of course he has the right to say it. that's a specious argument. you think illegal immigrants are by and large bad -- >> that's not what the president
said today. >> not in this context, giving him the benefit of it. though he certainly wasn't careful with what he said. usually rick santorum would say i'm not saying everybody. i'm saying these ms-13 types. >> he talked about people being deported today. as he know, the priority of this administration and previous administrationsis to deport -- >> that's actually not true. >> why are they splitting up all of these families that are not ms 13. >> we have seen every way but one get deported. doctors, doctor's kids, veterans get deported by this administration. it is not just the ms-13. >> and previous administrations. >> can we stick to the last 16 months just for argument's sake. >> you didn't hear the obama administration make these kinds of arguments about why they are getting rid of them. this is the last point and rick you can make it.
people have been getting thrown out of this country at a pretty decent rate. i know they say the numbers are ticking up. we have to understand why. it could be seasonal. we have to look at it. but the tone has changed. and you are defending the tone. you say a lot of people share this. i'm not talking about ms-13. who is going to defend ms-13? nobody wants ms-13 in the country. the tone has shifted about what it means if you are an illegal immigrant. i want you to say, yeah, they are bad too. say it. >> the people breaking the law are not necessarily bad people but they do bad things. breaking the law in this country is a bad thing. it is a crime. it is not something i'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to people. there are millions and millions of people waiting all over this world who are following the rules and making sacrifices to get into this country. when people break the law to shortcut things, i'm not going to say nice things about. >> nobody is asking you to.
do you think they're bad people. not their legal entry. everybody knows how you choose to enforce it. do you think they're bad people because that is the sense that the president of the united states has communicated? anybody who says that's not fair is full of it, rick. because that's what it empowers. all the discussions wiped up being about the rapists, and katie steinle's case. why are those the examples that are used? because the notion is they're bad people. not because they came in illegal but because they're bad deep down. do you own that? >> yeah. i would own that there are some bad people coming in. that's what the president says consistently. >> that is not what he said consistently, rick? >> yeah, it is. >> when you ignore it, you empower it, my brother. >> he has always put it in context. >> no, he has not always put it in context. i live in suffolk county. i know they're out there.
i know the problem. >> the president has said he's not talking about all immigrants. >> he didn't s it en he was speaking about animals. >> one day what your ancestors were called and how they were treated when they came to this country. >> including my father. >> when they used to call irish and italians to the united states dogs. unless you are telling me you come from the cherokee nation, i think you should be offended by the demonization of immigrants. because if you think that it just applies to undocumented immigrants and ms-13, you haven't seen the video of two people in midtown manhattan being berated by a racist because he thinks it is not their country, hnot his. new york state bar attorney
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motivation. ronan farrow joins us now. wow. this article that you just published is incredible. let's go slowly through it. it is dense. last week several news outlets reported michael cohen's llc, there was money coming out from places like novartis, columbus nova. >> a korean aerospace company. >> yes. and at&t. the source of that leak has now come forward to you about his or her motivation for doing this. what is it? >> this whistle-blower says that upon searching a government database that is supposed to contain all the reports of suspicious bank activity, this person found several reports missing. now i should explain what they are. they are suspicious activity reports. that's what banks are legally required to fire about they see fraud or money laundering. we have seen some of the
documents. they indeed look like payments involving foreign interests broken up into payments, things that would cause them to say, hey, put a red flag on this. in the one document released last week which covers a million dollars in transactions. >> this is what michael avenatti, stormy daniels lawyer had access to. >> michael avenatti released summaries of the transactions. you have to ask him about exact sourcing for that. we can verify this whistle-blower is the original source of why this stuff became public. and the reason, to your original question, this person saw that in the released reports that we have now there are internal references to other reports covering more transactions. we're dealing with about a million dollars worth now. there were 3 million plus. >> that went in and out of this account, the main account at first national bank. those appear to be gone from a government database.
>> is your source michael avenatti's source? >> i can't speak to the exact chain of command of who had these documents at one point other than to say this is the source who originally made them public. >> this source says he or she became alarmed when they noticed the suspicious activity reports gone. how do they know that they're gone from the system and not moved somehow? >> let's be careful about the term gone. you're right. one of the things we talk about at length in this story is all the possible explanations including many that could be more benign than what this whistle-blower feared. it is possible prosecutors we talked to and people we talked to said, for instance, the southern district of new york or special counsel mueller said quarantine these, restrict them in some way. what i highlight, alisyn, is every expert we talk to said that almost never happens. they don't have a procedure for
doing that. if indeed that is the case, it suggests there is something very, very sensitive in the remaining reports. >> your source is taking great personal risk to come to you to flag this. in fact, you write, of the potential for legal consequences, the officials said to you to say that i am terrified right now would be an understatement. but referring to the released report as well as the missing reports, the official added this is a terrifying time to be an american, to be in this situation and to watch all of this unfold. >> and this is why, alisyn, i'm being so careful about talking about the chain of custody of these documents. it is very important in this case that as much as law enforcement is searching for in individual, the inspector general of the treasury said we're looking for who disclosed these. >> they are going to prosecute this. >> i think quite possibly, yeah. according to what the legal penalties are, this person could
face exactly what you just described, potentially five years in prison for this. and the reason that this law enforcement official came forward is because this person was so troubled by what they viewed as clear examples of corruption in the existing reports and so concerned that at least some categories of law enforcement officials are no longer given access to two remaining reports that have larger swaths of transactions in them. that was troubling enough to this veteran official they said this has to be subject to public scrutiny. >> ronan farrow, thank you for bringing it to us. this will not be the last time we talk to you. good to have you. chris? if you are following along with the events of the royals, the big wedding, there is a development. meghan markle releases an announcement a couple days before the wedding. who won't be there and why next.
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as you know, american actress markle --. we have gotten a big update. meghan markle released a statement involving the highly publicized drama surrounding her father. sadly, my father will not be attending our wedding. i've always cared for my father and hope he can be given the space he needs to focus on his health. i would like to thank everyone for their support. >> meghan markle's life began
here in los angeles. it's the city where she was born. her mother doria, a social worker, is african-american. and her father thomas emmy-award winning lighting director is white. even at an early age growing up in los angeles, markle started showing early signs of speaking up about issues that would later hope define her as an adult, gender equality and biracial identity. >> i don't think it's right for kids to grow up thinking these things, that mom does everything. she was offended by an ivory dishwashering commercial because it focused on women doing housework. >> women are fighting greasy pots and pans. >> and i said, wait a minute, how could somebody say that? >> so the then 11-year-old markle wrote to proctor & gamble. >> i would wonder if you would change your commercial for people all over america. >> the letter worked. proctor & gamble changed the commercial. she also took a stand on her
racial background. she said while in class she was asked to check a box for a census, caucasian or black. my teacher told me to check the box for kau indication because that's how you look. she refused. her father told her to draw her own box. she was enrolled at euimmaculat heart. some of her teachers still have fond memories of her. >> my first thought was he is so lucky. >> she was theology teacher. markle wanted to volunteer at a soup kitchen in downtown l.a.'s skid row and the advice she offered to help markle overcome her fear of volunteering in a dangerous neighborhood. >> you need to simply put the needs of others above your own fears. and meghan says she's remembered that conversation ever since.
>> she performed there for years and performed in school plays. this rare footage is from her sophomore year solo as little red riding hood in the production of into the woods." markle went on to northwestern university where she continued her love of drama. she double majored in theater and international studies. acting was her passion. once back in los angeles, she landed minor guest roles in "csi" new york before being cast as a regular on the usa drama "suits" in 2011. shortly after the show's launch, she married long time boyfriend film producer trevor engleson. they divorced two years later. a mutual friend of markles and prince harry set them up on a blind date. >> we met twice, back to back in
london. it was three weeks later i managed to persuade her to join me in botswana. >> after about a year and a half of courtship came the proposal. >> it was so sweet and natural and very romantic. he got on one knee. >> of course. >> was it an instant yes to you. >> yes. in fact, not all has been well. english tabloids have attacked the 36-year-old because she's american, divorced and biracial. they've called for an end to the public abuse of her and her family. markle has won the hearts of millions including the heart of the one that matters most. so alisyn, here at windsor castle this morning, rehearsals are well under way but all of
the speculation is swirling about in terms of who might be the one to walk her down the aisle. will it be prince charles? or her mother if a woman is chosen, it would certainly not be the first time in royal history a woman has taken on that role. more than 100 years ago, back in 1866 queen victoria walked her third daughter down the aisle. certainly a lot of folks back in the states are looking for history to repeat itself and they are pulling for markle's mother to do the honors. alisyn? >> that one just makes sense, jason. she's close to her mom. my mom walked me down the aisle after my dad passed away. it just makes sense. >> there you go. >> there's precedent here and as you point out in england. so i will see you tomorrow, jason. i'll be live -- >> reporter: see you soon. >> we will have the a preview of the royal wedding for everyone
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by democrats who were unable to win an election despite the spending of far more money. this is something he has said repeatedly and that is out of the trump book of how to push a message, keep saying it and saying it. do the facts line up with that? not really. let's bring in maggie haberman. i say not really, why? because do we have proof of obstruction? no. should we at this point? no because the investigation isn't over and they haven't put out all their findings and they don't seem to leak out of the mueller probe but what is your take on this? >> same as you. i thought describing it as example 101 of how trump pushes a message is exactly right. it contains a number of things that are not true and there's three different messages in there. see, my america, my problems are your problems and you should care about this the same way i do. when the president talks about how nothing's been turned up in this probe, it is true, so far
an investigation that has not yet finish the has not established that he was somehow involved in collusion. th heree been a number of other people who have been charged. they've been charged with lying to the fbi and other crimes but there are a lot of people who have been charged in connection with this case and this is still going on. he's still gathering evidence and to your other point, there's a lot we don't know about what robert mueller is aware of. it has been amazing to people when some of these guilty pleas have emerged on the day that they're being made that this was kept so secret in realtime. there is likely a lot more that we are not aware of. >> and so the president saying, nothing to see here, nothing's been proven. is that the feeling in the white house? are they as san quinn as the president is? >> there are people trying to focus on their jobs and not get behind the idea that this is a witch hunt. there are other people who do think that he's been treated
unfairly within the white house, think that this has been dragging on for a while, would like to see it end, in part because it has been a cloud as the president has said or indicated before over what he is trying to do in office. what's amazing about this tweet, you guys, is that it's like he's celebrating the one year anniversary of mueller's appointment along with news stories about it. it is typical for news outlets to write a story of this nature marking the one year. why he then calls more attention to it and amplifies it continues to mystify most of his aides. >> on the same day that his hand picked fbi director says it's not a witch hunt and republicans and democrats on two different senate committees say the intelligence community was right, it happened, it was real and we need to know more. >> exactly right. he continues to express some reservations about his hand picked fbi director i think in part because the president divides everything into an
uptou uptown referendum and himself, chris wray. but what he has done is changed the leadership at the fbi, he has done a lot there that i think that most people close to the president thought would please him, that has not been enough either. >> maggie, stick around. we want to reset at the top of the hour. we have for questions for you. good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." it is thursday, may 17th, 8:00 in the east. just moments ago, president trump did write on twitter, he sounded off on the one year mark about the mueller investigation. we're now in the second year of the greatest witch hunt in the american history. >> trump attorney rudy giuliani is making the case on tv talking more about his conversation