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>> i try to greet every passenger before we load them on to the aircraft to spend a few moments with them. ready to go? so they can see me and smell me. load the airplane up and then we'll make stops along the eastern coast. i'm quite certain they know things are about to change. >> hey, buddy. he is so calm right now. >> they know things are getting better and they're not going to end up in the pound. >> to see more and nominate someone you think should be a hero, go to thanks for watching. i'll see you right back here tomorrow. the president woke up with a disgusting taste in his mouth. john berman in for anderson. that's his word, disgusting. that's how the president describes the special counsel's investigation, which is one year today, illegal, too, even though it was launched by his own justice department. a growing white house effort a by and large misleading one to
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discredit and draw attention from him. he kicked off a swing of tweets. congratulations, america, we are now into the second year of the greatest witch hunt in america p america. and word seems to be coming out that the obama fbi spied on the trump campaign with an embedded informant. if so, this is bigger than watergate. he followed up with this one, "despite the disgusting, illegal and unwarranted witch hunt, we've had the most successful first 17-month administration in u.s. history by far. sorry to the fake news and media haters, but that's the way it is.
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then this, wow! word seems to be coming out the obama fbi spied on the trump campaign with an embedded inform informant. if so, this is bigger than watergate. he followed up with this one, despite the disgusting, illegal witch hunt, we have had the most successful administration in u.s. history so far. that's not the way it is. humming economy are nothing to sneeze at. but keeping them honest with sends respect to the investigation, the president is asking people to forgive that this probe, this illegal probe as he calls it would be done on the authorization of his own deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. the president is asking people to ignore the broad scope that rosenstein gave robert mueller to do his work. additionally the president is asking us to believe this is a
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witch hunt but it's only a witch hunt if you don't find any witches and they have here. in just a year, the special counsel charged 19 people, three companies a former white house adviser. three trump campaign aids including the campaign chair at the time. a prominent russian oligarch. including michael flynn and rick gates, they're cooperating with the special counsel. so the president wants us to set that aside and set aside the one-word answer his own fbi director just yesterday gave to the senate judiciary committee. >> are you said at your confirmation hearing that the russia investigation was not a witch hunt. now ten month here, far more immersed in the details of the fbi, is that still your penalties? -- opinion? >> yes. >> so ignore that. set aside the fact that long before the special counsel got to work, the fbi was investigating russian penetration of the 2016 campaign in general and members of the trump campaign specifically. according to "new york times" blockbuster report on the or begins of the fbi probe, a government informant did meet with carter page. page was already suspected of being a russian agent the same informant according to "time's" med met with george pap top las. -- papadopoulos. to hear the president and spokes people spin it when it seems to be basic bread and butter investigating is the campaign
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espionage not seen since water. the president's new attorney, rudy giuliani, for one says he is shocked. >> i am shocked to hear they put a spy in the campaign of a major party candidate. maybe two spies. now i'm going through my brain. you know i was a big part of that campaign trying to figure out who was the spy. now i'm wondering, is it this person, that person. now, if there is a spy, they got nothing from it. >> a short time later the president tweeted "wow." then later his white house press secretary put out her own deeply concerned gloss on it. >> reporter: does president trump believe that the fbi had a spy at one point inside his campaign? >> i haven't spoken with him directly about that but certainly seen seen the reports and if there is any truth to that, it should certainly be looked into. >> again there are no mentions in the actual story of a spy inside the campaign.
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none. somehow it became a fox & friends talking point and a presidential tweet and something the white house believes should be looked into, which you will remember is how the devon nunez shenanigan played out last year. he rushed to the white house to brief the president on shocking information he learned about, he learned from inside the white house, itself. >> that is the cycle. yet as it plays out, robert mueller is going about his work. michael kaput to was interviewed by the mueller team the focus is squarely on the one thing the president had most adamantly denied, collusion. donald trump jr. wanted the dirt. after the meeting was over what he was most disappointed about is they didn't offer more. so his father apparently sees collusion like a vampire cease garlic. his sons see it as catnip to a new tabby. the president's new lawyers say even if it did happen, so what? >> that's what you do. maybe you shouldn't, you do it. nothing illegal about that.
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david, if it comes from a russian or a german or an american, it doesn't matter. >> rudy guiliani made more news late today. he told the pbs "news hour" the special counsel's team communicated last night with the president's lawyers, he says they're narrowing down questions for him. whether that agrees whether the president agrees to be questioned. he says it looks more hopeful than a day or so. -- than a day or so ago. our gloria borger has more on that.
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first her report, our best inside look at the investigation, itself. >> reporter: experiencing team mueller up close is no walk in the park. >> it's intense. you know, first of all they ask to pick you up at a near hotel because they want to sneak you in the back door. that's the way they want to drop you off when they're done. it's a friendly environment. they're professional. i wouldn't call them polite. >> reporter: but they are well informed. >> they know more about the trump campaign than any single person that's worked there. that's because they have everybody's documents the mueller investigation than anybody who does. anybody that sits with them needs to be mindful of that. >> reporter: especially the president and his revolving team of lawyers are well aware. >> what would trump risk if he
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were to testify in front of bob mueller? >> untruthfulness and the possible charge of lying to a federal investigator. >> at the end of the day is it a perjury trap or not? from my perspective, the president shouldn't go anywhere near this group. >> reporter: the tangled tale of russian interference may have started in a london bar in the spring of 20 ken when george papadopoulos a young promoter named to the trump team told moscow had dirt on clinton. >> papadopoulos was the coffee boy. he was and always will be. >> reporter: now after pleading guilty to lying to the fbi as are at least three others. >> when the fbi walks in the room, they're not asking you questions half the time because they want to know the answer. they're asking questions because they want to see what you will say. did you meet with john doe last week, no? well, they got your e-mail. you did. now they know, a, you are not telling the truth. b, they know they have a hammer on you. you just lied to a federal officer. >> reporter: other person under the hammer for lying, deputy campaign chairman rick gates who did business with the russians and worked with campaign chairman paul manafort both before and during the election. manafort could still be under investigation for colluding with russians and has pled not guilty
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to charges of money laundering and conspiracy. >> today's announcement has nothing to do with the president, has nothing to do with the president's campaign or campaign activity. >> reporter: the white house also separated itself from its former national security adviser michael flynn. >> the next president of the united states. right here. >> reporter: now cooperating with mueller, after lying to the fbi and the vice president about his russian contacts. and, yet, the president intervened on flynn's behalf. >> he said he hopes i can let it go. >> when he said that, you thought -- >> he's asking me to drop the criminal investigation of his now former national security adviser. >> i think the first sign of obstruction was the president asking for loyalty followed on the heels of that by clearing the oval office and asking comey to let the flynn investigation go. >> reporter: the most startling twist in the russia saga came
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last summer when donald trump jr. confirmed a 2016 trump tower meeting with russians peddling dirt on hillary clinton. his e-mail, "i love it." but he claimed the focus of the meeting, which also included manafort and presidential son-in-law jared kushner was not about russian coordination but about russian adoption. a bust he denies telling his father about. >> it was literally a wasted 20 minutes, which is a shame. >> just as head scratching is the president's personal involvement aboard air force one composition a misleading statement about the trump tower meeting purpose. could that potentially be obstruction as well? >> as an act in and of itself, i don't think it's obstruction of justice. but i think obstruction of justice from mueller's standpoint is going to be a mosaic of activity. >> reporter: it's a piece of the
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puzzle. >> a piece of the puzzle. >> a big jigsaw with a trove of characters, the russians, 13 trolling americans on social media. political trickster roger stone. long-time friend of the president who denies coordinating with wikileaks. wikileaks founder julian assange, who distributed the democratic national committee's e-mails hacked by the russians. campaign aid carter page, his frequent trips to moscow, raising eyebrows and trump lawyer michael cohen who pushed a never built trump tower moscow during the election and who was recently raided by the fbi. the trump family is not immune either. son-in-law jared kushner who saw the back channel with russians and then omitted those contacts on disclosure forms. and yet, after one year, while the president runs on and on -- >> it's a total witch hunt. i have been saying it for a long time. >> reporter: mueller runs silent and runs deep.
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>> we are piloting the titanic. we have seen the tip of an iceberg. we have no idea what lies beneath the surface. >> reporter: so what's ahead? a mueller firing? or a supreme court battle over presidential testimony? one thing not on the table, according to rudy guiliani, a presidential indictment. which could leave it all with a report from mueller for the justice department and congress to consider. and then they decide just what to do with it. >> i think the american people will be frustrated in the end, because they're going to expect that he's going to sit in front of the cameras or issue 100 pages and give them like a story. he has to submit a confidential report. my expectation is mueller would like to submit that report in confidence, turn out the lights and go home and leave it to others to figure out what to do with his findings. >> and rudy guiliani has been all over the media the last self -- several days. he spoke with "politico" about prepping the president for a possible encounter with team mueller.
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the sessions, he said, would be held in off hours in the white house, perhaps even over golf games. you know, gloria, you have seen these reports from pbs and elsewhere, quoting rudy guiliani now saying of the president it would be going too far to say he's going to sit down but it looks more hopeful than it did a day or so ago. is this consistent with what you are hearing from your sources? >> well, i spoke with one this this evening who said, look, there have been a series of communications between the trump legal team and the special counsel about this question whether trump should testify, will testify. and color me skeptical. color my source skeptical, about whether in the end, they're going to reach some kind of aan
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agreement. but it's very clear from watching rudy guiliani over the last few days that what's important to the president is what what rudy guiliani is doing. what he is doing is making it appear the president is very willing to testify. is trying to reach an agreement with the special counsel to do so. so that if in the end he ends up not testifying, they look like they have made a good faith effort and the president can then place the blame elsewhere rather than on himself. >> this is very interesting, jeffrey toobin, make it appear as if the president wants to sit down. make it look like these are good faith negotiations. they're increasingly every day that passes it seems to 93 this
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show, the rudy guiliani show is an entity itself. it's not a means to an end. he's not there creating an outcome with robert mueller. he is there to create this show which is a part of the larger political argument. >> right. what the president said he wants better tv lawyers. now he has a good lawyer who is making two points, one as gloria is saying, the president really
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wants to testify. >> we don't know for a fact. he says he wants. he wants us to think. >> the other point he is making is this is a terrible and unfair investigation. this fantasy. this absurdity that the fbi planted a spy in the trump campaign. not said in the "new york times" article. not true. but you know it gets into the fox biosphere and repeated and it becomes something to talk about. so, all of that leads to putting the mueller investigation on the defensive that they have something to defend themselves about rather than the president deciding whether he wants to testify. >> i'm glad we have you here on one specific point as jeffrey alluded to, the president in one of the statements today said this is bigger than watergate. what he was talking about is the investigation, itself. the investigation, itself, is so scandalous it's bigger than watergate. it happens you know something about watergate. i was wondering what your take is. >> watergate was about a criminal president richard nixon who conducted a criminal office from the day he started until he left. one element not in this terrific setup we saw. >> that is the success donald trump is having in getting people in this country. not just his base. you look at the poll, 75, 80% of
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people who call themselves republicans who believe this is a witch hunt. and those numbers are going up. not down. even as mueller makes more and more invisible progress even as we see a staggering body of everyday that suggests, doesn't prove, but suggests collusion and we saw how enthusiastic the president's son was about colluding with the russians to get information and yet we are finding that the conduct of the investigators, the conduct of the press, the conduct of the democrats, the conduct of hillary clinton for tens of millions of americans has been made the issue by donald trump and they have bought into it. i think we need to acknowledge, he's having remarkable success there. >> remarkable success, david gergen, even for people who do not believe this is a rich hunt, there is no question that this white house and its allies are driving the daily story at this point on the russian investigation. part of the reason is because the special counsel's team doesn't leak. they don't talk at all. we don't see what they're doing on a minute by minute let alone a month by month basis we didn't
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and rudy giuliani says no indictment on this and then for the next 30 hours, it's all j. and the other side is kept silent because that is the professionalism that mueller is displaying and there are very few democrats who have been very effective at speaking up on that side and to defend mueller. i think mueller's run an extraordinarily professional operation. there haven't been anymore ni leaks but the results of having
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no leaks are all the propaganda pop up on the other side. i think it's helping the president and public opinion, i think it's hurting our democracy to erode public trust in the institutions and to protect the president at great expense. >> we're going to talk much more on this in just a moment, including breaking news. and later, that guy who could not stand the idea of other people speaking spanish around him. this video has gone viral. his story is being seen as something bigger than even his towering rage. coppertone sport.
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investigators. back now with the panel, jeffrey toobin, rick gates already cooperating with the special counsel and now his former son-in-law will be cooperating as well. it's closing in. >> this has been a bad week for paul manafort. the most important thing that happened to him is earlier this week -- he has two cases against him, virginia and washington. the judge in the washington case declined to dismiss the case against him. and at a minimum he's going to trial in washington and we'll see about virginia. now his son-in-law faces the prospect of being sentenced. it's a lot of pressure to plead guilty and cooperate. we're talking a lot about spin and public opinion. this is something that actually matters. if paul manafort pleads guilty and cooperates, that's a big deal in this case.
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this has been a week where the pressure on him to do so has increased. >> it's interesting. that's an actual factual domino, and when you look at this and the evidence and the volume of the president's protestations here, you actually see something else. >> yes. this is a two-way freight train collision heading toward each other. the special prosecutor who has huge momentum here, despite the momentum trump has gotten from his base and republicans who have been craven in defending him despite his contempt for the rule of law that, we have these two freight trains heading toward each other. and mueller has considerable power behind it, not just manafort, he also has -- he's got the president's lawyer, cohen, his fixer, is in a box. he may flip and talk against the president of the united states.
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we don't know that but we do know that the president is very concerned about that and the president is talking to pao shutting down this investigation, firing mueller, meyering rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, that has been discussed for months and months and months and months and months, and if the flame gets too close to the president of the united states, certainly those closest to r, and take hi chances with impeachment and think that maybe he can do better there if the facts are lined up against him and his former associates are to testify against him or member members of his family so that we have a real clash here. >> it's interesting, gloria, because this new legal team with rudy giuliani, if nothing else,
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it seems to have shut down the public moussings of the president that led people to think he was on the verge maybe of firing robert mueller -- >> for now. >> they're trying and since he's got jewel ani out there who said that he wishes his other lawyers would say. but he's got this new legal team and they're getting their security clearance. the or mueller at this juncture is a terrible, terrible idea. there have been some discussion about, well, maybe he could do
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it after the mid terms, depending on how that goes, for example. but we really, you know, at this point it doesn't seem like it's imminent. but the president himself does not accept that this that's how close they are. >> to delegitimize his election and how he come out of this more than anything else. >> within of the other things rudy jewel and. >> it seems like we're trying to lay the groundwork on a political argument. to say you're going to beat an i
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people going after manafort but manafort himself is not flipping. he's been very touch. one, he thinks he's going to get a pardon, or secondly, he's worried that if he talks,he flips, the meddling in the 2016 presidential election and it was designed to help donald trump. since my stroke, he hasn't left my side.
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again, our breaking news tonight, president trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani tells pbs as recently as last night attorneys for the mueller team were in contact with the presidential lawyers about narrowing an interview. and virginia as mark warner preprinted yesterday in the run to run election and there was no
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reason to question the findings of the intelligence community and they did so with the intent of having donald trump. the house intelligent committee in a said the on set. they said they saw no evidence of that. how is it that you guys are at odds? >> well, john, let's be clear. the house intelligence committee represented only the. the democrats on the house intelligence committee did not agree with their finding, they agreed with our find we interviewed officials from the obama administration, the trump administration, and literally every person that is in the intelligence community that has been in effect confirmed by the senate, one of the first questions we would ask is do you
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agree with the intelligence community assessment? and every one of them 100% agreed. i would argue it's a very small minority number of people who are not connected to any kind of factual basis. they put this report together fairly quickly, but they got it right. they realized the raugss mass chris stewart, republican congressman from utah. he told me today he spent hours poring over the caa i know that we had in mike rodgers, clim clabber, john brennan, the
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previous heads of three of the intelligence agencies. they are reconfirmed that our should be when a ground that was doing a lot of theine iier sfrr well, i frankly have stopped listening to some of the stuff that comes out of the house majority because it's been so disconnected from any kind of factual base. that's why it's been so important that in the senate we keep our ents bipartisan. the chairman and i and our committee we go from tom cotton on one end to cam and when will
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at that be? >> we've still got three very important pieces to finish. we finished the election kurt. we don't the assessment on more work to to administration. we've got to make sure that we give a more conclusive report on social media, as well as some policy outlines or with prp i collusion. you say "reserving judgment on that." because we are a year into the mueller investigation right now. you talked to republicans, you talk to white house and they say that have no eye it nrn. >> if there was not more to be investigated and more facts to
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come out, i don't think we would have had at this point a year today into the mueller investigation, five guilty pleas, 14 indictments including the indictment of the president's campaign manager, mr. man manafort, include, the time ofwe're going to stay silent until we see all the witness. >> staying sigh lant is different from -- >> however, john, you want to ask the question, i'm not going to weigh in until the commit finishes its work. there is actually one of is one of the things i'd wish we could have been straighter.
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>> one of the things he talked about the mueller investigation, saying it's disgusting. route route is out there had ever that their argument is starting to be heard. do you remember that it's working? >> i worry that this president's relentless attacks and his allies retax osin dod p president that rent this may tern that of snch is also a directive manner, then i don't want to schoolfoul the tieb tieb
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with real strawberries. you know at the heart of what mayor villaraigosa is doing today, he's fighting to make this country more equal and more just. president obama called him one of america's finest mayors. he's more prepared to get things done. antonio for governor. brought business and labor together
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to expand career training and apprenticeships, invested in transportation and helped create over 200,000 living wage jobs. antonio villaraigosa for governor. it seems to be broadly coordinated in its form to surrogates fanning out all over the country. for a look at how it works, we go to randi kaye. >> this is a completely tainted investigation. >> the president sometimes starts the attacks on twitter early in the morning to his 52
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million followers, tweeting about something he saw on the fox news morning program "fox & friends." >> how many times have we heard that russia colluded with the trump campaign. >> i have a message for the special counsel robert mueller. your witch hunt is now over. close the doors. >> reporter: hannity according to one account speaks to the president nightly. >> everybody knows it's a fix, okay? and it's a wish unt. >> trum -- witch hunt.
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>> i have this witch hunt going on for 12 months now. >> robert mueller and his band of democratic witch hunters never should have been appointed and they need to be disbanded immediately. >> reporter: sound familiar? >> you have all these investigators, they're democrats. in all fairness, robert mueller worked for obama for eight years. >> mueller was first appointed by george w. bush. the fbi and former director james comey's credibility also under attack. on twitter last month trump directed his followers to tune in to "fox & friends" which attacked the fbi. later on hannity's show, jewel wandy what and the wes got in on had, too, tweeting "james comey is a proven leaker and liar." also in on the act, devon nunes,
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the chairman of the house intelligence committee. he'd already been caught fibbing abo fibbing. and right on queue, that was followed by a tweet. house intelligence committee votes to release final report. findings: no evidence of collusion. >> congress for over 14 months. so far nothing, no evidence of trump/russia collusion. >> and round and round it goes. ra randi kaye, new york.
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the house promised to hold a vote and moderate republicans are a few away from saving the daca program. the president has been venting more about the immigration policy in the past few days and there are examples all over the country how out of control in some ways it has become. a man in new york identified as attorney erin sloss burg was caught in the middle of manhattan ranting because employees and customers were speaking spanish. >> mayor bill de blasio tweeted the 8.2 million people that call new york home speak 200 languages. they're all welcome here.
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one man with big talk making their point in georgia with a big truck and a big bus. >> reporter: spotted on interstate 45 in georgia. a vehicle he calls his deportation bus. >> we will track him. put him on this bus and send him home. >> republican state senior michael williams trailing with a bus that says danger, murderers, kidnappers, other criminals on board echoing these words. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. they're rapists. some are good people. >> are you putting people on the deportation bus? >> no. >> why are you doing this. >> to bring awareness to illegal immigration. >> isn't it a mean spirited gimmick to have a bus that says deportation and murders and
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rapists are on this bus. >> what is mean for holding people accountable for breaking the law. when did that become -- >> what does it sa i? >> it says it has illegal aliens on that, those breaking yet another law. >> is this a gimmic? >> absolutely not. >> reporter: the candidate and the staff take the bass and rv to georgia cities that have many immigrants and get a mostly negative reaction from people gathered waiting for the bus. michael williams isn't the only candidate running for georgia governor going to extremes. >> two things if you going to date one of my daughters, respect and a healthy appreciation for the second amendment, sir. >> we're going to get along just fine. >> reporter: georgia secretary kevin is running and talks about hauling away immigrants. >> i got a big truck.
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just in case i need to round up criminal illegals and take them home myself. yep, i just said that. >> reporter: one has a big truck. another a big bus. >> you are a sunday school teacher? >> i am. >> does this violate moral religious life against your fellow human being in. >> again i am being kind to the citizens of this country that built the country and have something the world covets and wants, we have to protect that. >> reporter: before the deportation bus drives away for the day, someone places this, words from the poem of the pedestal of the statue of liberty. gary tuckman, cnn, decatur, georgia. >> coming up on the one-year of the mueller investigation the president calls it a disgusting, illegal and unwarranted witch hunt. it's led to 75 criminal charges and five guilty pleas. 22 defendants. the latest from the white house next. skaters and freestylers.
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