tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 30, 2018 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
keep him energizing like an energizer bunny. >> keep going, and going. and going. >> jeanne moos, cnn news. >> i this, i that. ac 360 starts right now. good evening. first we want to focus on today's reaction from the white house and in particular the president of the united states whose office gives him an enormous power to shape the national debate. if you thought he might use this moment to say something about racism and bigotry, he did not. he instead kept it simple. he made it about himself. and not for the first time either. a day after abc canceled the
revival of roseanne for barr's tweet, the president responded this way, quote, bob igor of abc called valerie jarrett to let her know that abc does not tolerate comments like those made by roseanne barr -- nowhere in the tweet did he condemn what roseanne barr did, or call it what it is, racist. he didn't even lament the passing of a show. you might say the president has more important things to focus on. this is the same president who just a couple of months ago in a speech particularly made roseanne's show his own. >> look at roseanne, i called
her yesterday, look at her ratings. i got a call from mark barnet, he did the apprentice. he said donald, i called to say hello and to tell you, did you see roseanne's ratings? how big were they? >> they were unbelievable. over 18 million people and they were about us. >> it was about us he said. yet today it was not. it was mainly about him. >> saying that the most horrible things about this president and nobody addresses it. where was bob igor's apologize to the white house staff calling the president.
where was the apology for cathie gri griffen after a photo showing her hold the president's decapitated head. >> whatever you think of the point that the president was making. own on occasions where most presidents would limit their remarks to their graduates. >> look at the way i have been treated lately? especially by the media. no politician in history, i say this with great surety has been treated worse or more unfairly. you can't let them get you down. you can't let the critics and the nay sayers get in the way of your dreams. i guess that's why we won.
>> ask not how the media treats you, ask how the media treats me. and here is the president tweeting in the wake of the hurricane. quote, nobody could have done what i have done for puerto rico with so little appreciation. for example, in front of a wall playing tribute to fallen intelligence officers of the cia. traditionally when dignitaries visit that spot, they say something like this. >> it is especially humbling for me to be with you all today. men and women of character who sacrificed greatly. and to stand in front of this wall. >> that of course was vice
president pence introducing the president. >> and the reason you are my first stop as you know, i have a running war with the media. they are among the most dishonest human beings on earth. right? and i was explaining about the numbers. we did a thing yesterday, the speech, everybody like the speech? i have been given. but we had a massive field of people. you saw that. i get up this morning and i turn on one of the networks and they show an empty field. wait a minute, i made a speech. i looked out and the field was, it looked like a million, a million and a half of people,
they showed a field where nobody was standing there. >> those remarks surprised a lot of people and set a tone that the president has stuck to. taking occasions that have traditionally been about others, their needs, their losses and their sacrifices and making them about himself. happy memorial day he tweeted. those who died for our great country would be happy and proud at how well our country is dog today. best economy in decades. more now on the president's reaction from jim acosta at the white house. it is all sort of out of the white house's playbook. >> reporter: it really is, this was hardly a teachable moment today unless it was teach the country how things should not happen over at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. this was a day when the white
house press secretary came into the room and said the president's tweets speak for themselves which she often says. she jumped on the please apologize train and insist a lot of people owe the president an apology. and i tried to ask as she left the room, where are the president's apologies for all of the things that he has said since the binning of his campaign. he launched the campaign by saying -- are rapist and criminals. he has time and again made outrageous false offensive comments about everybody under the sun. african american athletes that were sons of bitches in his eyes
for protesting at the games. the president is nursing his grievances over here and feels like everybody owes him an apology but not willing to offer one himself. >> he reached out and embraced roseanne previously about her ratings in that speech he made making it again about himself. >> and we saw this at the rally last night in nashville, we see this on a daily basis. and anderson, he seems to be caught in this extremely narcissistic moment in his preside presidency right now. he was alleging just yesterday that mueller is going to be meddling in the midterm elections. and rudy giuliani tried to clean that up today.
if the investigation is happening in the fall that is what meddling is in the eyes of this president. we should never expect this president to jump out of this pattern. never fwgoing to apology for th things that he said. you know, essentially going out there and you know, passing around a hat asking for apologies and not what you expect to see at a white house daily briefing. and again, one of the reasons feels so darn surreal. it is alice in wonderland stuff, sometimes 1984 stuff when you hear the white house asking for apologies when the president owes more in the country. >> shimon sanders, and former trump campaign aide michael
caputo. did go after abc parent company, does that make sense to you? >> anderson, no, absolutely, it doesn't make sense, but not much that this white house does does make sense. i find it striking that the president chose to in fact speak out about roseanne and tweet about roseanne and not tweet about the american,s the 4600 americans whose lives were lost due to hurricane maria in puerto rico. the president is more clearly about himself than anything. this could have been a moment where the white house could have got a win on this. they botched it. we are now talking about the president's inability to have compassion and empathy and condemn something that is wrong.
sarah sanders chose to elaborate when they have been silent on so much more. >> michael, on twitter, you went as far to offer roseanne on a streaming platform that you launched. why do you think it is wise to be in business with her at this point. and do you think the president lost an opportunity here. >> i think the president was trying to put his two cents in why a lot of his supporters believe that roseanne barr was not given the same treatment as people on the other side of the aisle. we went through them before with ms. sanders. but i don't think he really is in a spot right now to talk about this. i got to believe that none of us like or appreciate what roseanne
barr did, it is a horrible mistake, and people view it, this whole thing about gorillas, it is a trope. and i have seen people taken down by this in the past. i have worked with executives in my communication consultant capacity especially actually with a local comedian and television personality. and three years later his career is not recovered. if roseanne is story and it sounds like she is sorry, she is talking to her staff that she let down. 100 plus people are out of a job. if she makes amends with this with her community and family and friends i think she should get back to work. >> you are thinking that she should be given another chance. >> she hasn't made amends.
she blamed it ambien. she said i was sorry for my joke. furthermore this is who roseanne actually is, this isn't the first time she tweeted something that is racist. abc noted themselves that this was the third or fourth time and this was the straw that broke the camel's back for them. there is freedom of speech in this country, but you don't have freedom of consequences from your speech and what roseanne is being met with and many other people will be met with are in fact consequences. and the last thing about president trump putting in his two cents. the day president trump called roseanne was during in the aftermath of stephon clark's shooting and the white house said this was a local matter and couldn't comment on it. he had time to comment on
roseanne did then and has time to comment on it now. the president is a president of all people, and damn it, i wish he would start acting like it. >> we know roseanne and the president have been friends for a lot of years. and my question i guess is, when someone makes a mistake like this, and i obviously, and i think everybody agrees that what she said was reprehensible, but i don't think this is what comes from roseanne's heart, i don't know her. >> i'm sorry. >> do you mind if i continue? >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. >> michael, i do want you to continue. but you know, the number -- >> at what point can i continue? >> the number of tweets that she sent about 9/11.
>> if i can get through this if i am not interrupted with this. can i continue please? >> go ahead. >> abc has not had a problem with this in the past. and i understand these comments set people off. and i wonder, my friend who is the comedian and television personality in buffalo, is three years long enough to be in siberia. i don't think it is up to hollywood executives, i think it is up to her fans and that is why we invited her to join our platform because it cuts out the hollywood m hollywo hollywood mowing gull -- moguls. >> should she be allowed to come
back. >> any network that allows roseanne back on the air, is saying they are okay with whom she has shown herself. the one part that i agree with is that abc knew about all of this and let her have a show anyway. so again, if a network wants to put roseanne back on their network, it will be on them, it will be on those advertisers who will side. i think it is laughable to think this is who rosanne is, this is who roseanne always is. >> i don't know her, i can't defend her or insult her. >> you have defended her. >> oh, are we now interrupting people. you sounded so offensive.
>> i appreciate you on this. coming up, rosanne's ex-husband tom arnold. also a memo andrew mccabe wrote about the firing of james comey and what the president said at the time. before nexium 24hr mark could only imagine... a peaceful night sleep without frequent heartburn waking him up. now that dream is a reality. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn?
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broad in a flurry of tweets and retweets after her show was canceled, roseanne barr. one excuse that she posted and deleted was that it was 2:00 in the morning and ambien tweeting. the maker of ambien tweeted this. people of all races, relations and nationalities work on sanofi. joining me now is tom arnold. i was wondering what went through your mind? were you surprised? >> well, i was not surprised that what went down and the show was canceled. i had a feeling this was going to happen when i first heard it
was coming back, that there was a reboot. >> you thought this might happen, why? >> yeah. i just know, what i heard about her politics -- when i read her social media in the beginning, and saw how she was so into the conspiracy stuff with donald trump and so how far gone she was and the pizza gate and hillary is a pedophile and obama wasn't born here, a birther, and how crazy that was, i knew this would not end well. >> were you surprised that abc chose to bring it back, because they saw those tweets as well. >> i was surprised that they didn't do anything about it. i tweeted a lot, because i figured someone would take her phone away or monitor that because it is dangerous, you no h know, when you have that much
money on the show. you don't just give someone a hand gun to walk around the stage there, well hopefully you don't. you have to be careful. they risked a lot. i tweeted a lot to watch out. i could see it coming. by the way, this monkey is something she tweeted before about black people, why is it okay? they love calling black people monkeys, it is not a one time joke. >> she said something about susan rice a couple of years ago. >> they do it because we have a white trash racist president. that is a fact. roseanne and i have both known him 30 years. that is a fact. he says oh my gosh, what about me. that is insane that he is like, what about people making fun of me. how about stopping? >> when you were married to roseanne, did she display any
signs of racism or zenno phobia or conspiracy? >> when i met roseanne, she was older. she was a feminist. i was a meatpacker, and a young comment. i grew up in southeast iowa, so i never been around different kinds of people. >> so what do you think it is that changed her? you are saying the person that you knew when you first met her and married. and she has talked about mental health issues before, these conspiracy theories. >> i have mental health issues myself, roseanne does, and right
before we got married i went to rehab. i i am -- we dealt with mental health issues as a family. and she has done amazing with that. and the thing about, i have to say this about the president we have and his gaslighting and lying. you can see him perpetuating mental health for the entire country. he perpetuates fear. and i generally believe he thinks black people are dangerous and mexicans are rapists, he believes that. watch out mueller is lying, he is after me. so americans are sitting home like roseanne and her fans, oh my god, what is happening out there. and they get anxiety. anyone with mental health issues like roseanne is going to
heighten things. and she is having mental health issues right now. and i am sure that is part of this. it doesn't make it okay. they had to cancel the show. >> you told "the hollywood reporter," that roseanne may have wanted the show to be canceled. >> 100%. >> you were intimating that she does something and it is successful and she is not happy. >> from day one, on the roseanne show, she felt like, okay -- i'm not getting so, so there has always been that. as i am watching this happen, by the way, she keeps sabotaging
them. she throws nazi around a lot. so i am talking to my former step kids who i love and they are suffering through this. and i look at it as this is going on, and also, once you have step kids, you see them as kids even though they are 40. and you see them suffering. i tell them, listen, first of all, i would love it if she came out and said i'm sorry, i have gotten too into this and maybe i need to step back. on this conspiracy, hillary is a pedophile, obama is whatever, maybe this is not true. but anyway, so this approach, i can see it coming and i tweeted at wanda sykes. she is the head writer on
roseanne. roseanne put a picture of hillary clinton next to a donkey with buck teeth. and i said to roseanne's daughter, your mom needs to apologize to hillary clinton. >> you were hoping that somebody in her life would intervene and take, take her off twitter. i got to get a quick break in if you can stick around. i want to talk you to on the other side of this. we'll be right back. discover card.
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we are back now talking with tom arnold. roseanne barr's ex-husband. do you think roseanne has people in her orbit who can intercede or get her off twitter or help her out in terms of how she should move forward in this? >> i hope they are fired today. you know, i haven't been there in 24 years. you know, today, obviously, no.
i sense that after something like that, maybe people close ranks. i know her son did as good ajob as humanly possible of taking down things in twitter. and kids are amazing kids, they do everything amazingly humanly possible. they love their mom very much. maybe this is for the best for the family to pull together and just be a family. there is nobody, you know, somebody could -- there are a million things. listen, tell your mom that donald trump doesn't carry his own phone. and he has a guy -- or have a fake phone. i had a whole bunch of ideas. >> one of our former guests was saying that he felt that president trump had been friends with roseanne for decades and
decades, and i understand that you question whether president trump was really ever a fan of hers or just wanted to take credit for her ratings. you say that one time mr. trump criticized her directly to you after her divorce. >> we feel the hbo special, trump castle. i knew him better than roseanne. he used to come to my sports show. donald trump -- okay, once i think it was elton john's -- >> we have a picture of him talking to you. >> i was with my wife at the time. and he said to me, oh my gosh, you married up in the world. and he goes, roseanne was
disgusting. he said that to me out of the blue. you know what, no matter what kind of divorce you had, that's a weird thing to say. that is in the moment. i am looking to him like what? >> that is what is happening in that picture? >> that is what is happening in that moment. why would he, why offer that? and just dead-eyed offer that thing. it was weird. just to offer that matter of fact no reason. >> when you heard the president essentially embracing her for her ratings saying he called her up talking about her in that speech. it was about us. that was the term he used to this audit yeence, do you think was generuine?
>> no i think it was sad. people who want to start a race war, a civil war were all gone. she has no show today so there is that. and that's sad. but it is also sad that she called black people monkeys, because that hurts people's feelings. and i am tired of white people -- we didn't mean it. it is ridiculous in this country that we are justifying it. and michael caputo or whatever, that is a, what did he call it? a trope? that is ridiculous. shut up. it hurts people's feelings. what is wrong with us. >> certainly a racist common. tom arnold, appreciate talking to you. >> tom's views are obviously his own. we appreciate him being with us. breaking news andrew mccabe
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breaking news tonight, "the new york times" reported andrew mccabe wrote a confidential memo last spring. joining us now is katie benner of "the new york times." >> so the time focused story that andrew mccabe, the former deputy director of the fbi had conversations wi conversations with rod rosenstein. the president had wanted rosenstein to write a memo -- worried there was something about russia and the firing of the fbi director jim comey that
made him pause and now we know that the firing of jim comey is the center of the russian investigation. >> rod rosenstein chose to not mention russia in the memo he author explaining the fire of comey. >> russia was not necessary to mention. he said he stuck to the story, that jim comey had acted inappropriately when he disclosed the investigation of hillary clinton. so you know, the story that we know that rosenstein wrote was one thing. >> now i think in the article, i just got a quick read of it. at least one unnamed person that
tried to explain that the president was not talking about, basically, the mention about russia referred to the president wanting rosenstein to say in the memo that the president was not under investigation regarding russia, is that correct? >> that's correct. and as we know from jim comey's m memos and his book, according to comey, the president was obsessed of this idea of someone saying he was not a subject of anything related to russia. rod rosenstein wrote this letter, not for the expressed for comey being fired. yet he clearly knew this is what trump wanted. and it would be hard to imagine that he could have these
conversations and not know exactly what the president was going to do with any letters he produced. >> absolutely, so according to reporting, mccabe has turned it over to the special counsel and raises the question as to whether or not rod rosenstein should be recused. he oversees the investigation because he has to because jeff sessions recused himself. should rosenstein now be recused? is he the right person to oversee the investigation of a man who helped in the chaotic days of the election. >> rosenstein had given an interview a while back in which rosenstein says he is in communication with mueller and if mueller tells him he is a witness or believes that mueller should step aside, that he
would -- i mean, that if rosenstein should step aside, rosenstein says he would. >> that is absolutely correct. and so far as we know, mueller hasn't done that. again, that doesn't raise the -- that doesn't take away the issue of optics. there was also question of whether or not mccabe should have recused himself around anything to do with hillary clinton and then the inspector general, he wasn't forth coming in interviews. this is almost a shakespearean level of drama and betrayal and intertwined fortunes. >> certainly fascinating. >> joining us now is carrie cordero. and we don't know in what way he was asked to mention russia, is
that problematic? >> well it raises a big question. and one of the big mysteries of the spring of 2017 is why rod rosenstein wrote the memo. this adds new dimension as to whether or not the president informed him. and so then it raises even more questions about why mr. rosenstein wrote that memo. but he has maintained in his public testimony that he wrote it based on his assessment of director comey's performance in the job. >> right. and of course, this didn't happen in a vacuum. you then have the president going, that interview with lester holt talking about russia and then talking to russian officials who were in the oval office about the firing of comey as well. how much will the president's intention behind firing comey play into any possible or any
consideration of an obstruction of justice case? >> his intent in firing comey is i think one of the critical pieces in an obstruction case. including intimidating witnesses, firing people, trying to derail the investigation. but the firing of the fbi dir t director is the chief thing. since that time he has done everything he possibly can it appears to try to protect the integrity of the investigation. he is the one who selected bob mueller as the special counsel. he has provided the scope of the investigation. providing the resources. and so he has done everything in his power i believe since that particular incident which again is curious to protect the
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says the president is wrong or full of it or sometimes worse. it's another thing when a member of his own party does. and yet another still when that person has access to much the same information, the same fact base that the president does. yesterday, and again today, that's exactly what happened. a republican, staunchly conservative republican, in fact, politely called out the president on what has become a steady refrain from the president and his supporters in congress and on the air, the refrain the president and others have been repeating over and over again is that president obama placed a spy inside the trump campaign.
>> major developments again tonight on the deep state spying on the trump campaign. >> to spy on the trump campaign. >> spy on the trump campaign. >> i'm shocked to hear that they put a spy in the campaign. >> deep state spying, scheme. >> spy inside the trump campaign back to the fbi. >> fbi spies. or maybe two spies. >> it looks as if there could have been a second spy. >> these spy revelations. >> spies in this campaign. >> ran a spy ring. >> a spy to infiltrate his campaign. >> insert a spy. >> a spy inside. >> the spying they did. >> to spy on the republican candidate for president. >> if there's a spy, they got nothing from it. >> people look at spygate. >> spygate. >> spygate. >> this whole spygate thing. >> and now the spygate, wow. >> spygate, if, in fact, this occurred, could be one of the biggest scandals in history. >> keeping 'em honest, though, saying the word "spy" or "spygate" doesn't make it so. and you'll note from the banner below me this is our third go at this. what this is really about is the
confidential source, the fbi informant, as you know, the president, his attorney, and house republicans pushed for and got a pair of briefings on this source from the fbi and justice department. republican congressman trey gowdy sat in as well as devin nunes. last night, trey gowdy spoke out for the first time about what he learned during the briefing. he said, i'm even more convinced that the fbi did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got and it has nothing to do with donald trump. today on cbs this morning, he elaborated. >> when the fbi comes into contact with information about what a foreign government may be doing in our election cycle, i think they have an obligation to run it out. what i have seen, i don't know what the fbi could have or should have done other than run out a lead that someone loosely connected with the campaign was making assertions about russia. i would think you would want the fbi to find out whether or not there was any validity to what those people were saying.
>> in other words, the congressman or republican congressman, former federal prosecutor, he was saying this was the fbi doing its job. not the fbi doing a job on the trump campaign. >> i think the fbi, if they were at the table this morning, they would tell you, russia was the target, and russia's intentions towards our country were the target. the fact that two people who were loosely connected with the trump campaign may have been involved doesn't diminish the fact that russia was the target and not the campaign. >> well, as for congressman nunes, who's been accused of carrying water for the white house before, he has said nothing about the briefing. silence. and we would love to talk to him. in fact, one of our producers spent the day trying just to locate him. she found no schedule of any public appearances on his website, no public events at all. she called, texted, e-mailed his press person, no reply. congress, of course, is not in session, so she tried his home office in california, staffers would not tell her his schedule. she even called the local paper.
nobody knew anything about his schedule. the congressman, she said, had blacklisted them. our producer even called the chairman for the republican party who didn't know either where to find the congressman. devin nunes, it seems, has gone dark, so we can't get his reaction as to what his colleague, trey gowdy, as said. as for the white house, take a look. >> sarah, now that trey gowdy who has actually seen all the classified information on what the fbi was doing says that there is nothing to the allegations that they were spying on the trump campaign, and in fact, gowdy says that the fbi was doing exactly what they should have been doing, given what trey gowdy has said, is the president prepared now to retract his allegation that the fbi was spying on his campaign? >> clearly, there's still cause for concern that needs to be looked at. let's not forget that the deputy director of the fbi was actually fired for misconduct. the president's concerned about the matter and we're going to continue to follow the issue. >> but gowdy was in the briefing. he knows what was done. and he is saying that these allegations are baseless. >> again -- >> that there was no spying tonight trump campaign.
>> certainly, the president feels that there is cause for concern and it should be looked at. >> keeping 'em honest, this has been looked at by a member of the president's own party, who's seen the evidence. yet the white house keeps making claims without offering any evidence of its own. as we said a moment ago, this is our third time around. it's also hardly the first time that the president has floated a claim, offered little or no evidence, and see it sink. there was unfounded and unproven one about president obama wiretapping trump tower, then the devin nunes improper unmasking scandal, that turned out to be ginned up by the white house and devin nunes, there was the allegation that he had taped conversations with james comey, and of course, the long-running claim that the steele dossier sparked the russia probe. saying in their final russia report that the fbi opened an enterprise counterintelligence investigation into the trump campaign after receiving information related to trump campaign foreign policy adviser george papadopoulos. we're going to talk more about this in the next hour with former cia director, michael
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