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microsoft says it detected and thwarted these efforts in just the last few weeks, seizing websites that could have been used to infiltrate the 2018 midterm races. again, if only someone had warned us this could happen. and note the timing here. the president in just the last 24 hours once again failed to squarely blame russia for this cyber warfare in an interview with reuters he used the same type of equivocal language as he did standing next to vladimir putin. if it was russia, if, he said. his own government says it was. >> so we are just 77 days away from the november midterm elections. how will the trump administration respond to these new russian attacks as america's top national security leaders continue to warn about the blinking red lights, the threat that russia poses to the upcoming election. cnn's alex marquardt is live in washington with all of the breaking details. give us the breaking news, alex? >> reporter: alisyn, microsoft
is saying that russia is broadening their attempts to hack into different groups of both political parties ahead of the midterms in november. the company accuses the group fancy bear, linked to russian military intelligence and was behind the 2016 hack of the dnc of trying to carry out so-called spear fishing attacks. they used a court order last week to take control of six different internet domains. look carefully at the names. two stand out. first, the hudson institute and second, international republican stutd. both which have broken with president trump and been critical of russia. iri's board of directors includes some of the most famous republicans in the country. some of president putin's harshest critics, john mccain, marco rubio and as well as mitt romney. several of the other domains listed in this report by microsoft include the word senate. indicating that they may have
been targeting different senators and their offices, but right now it's unclear which senators, which offices may have been potential targets. to be clear, these latest efforts by russia were not successful. there was a similar attempted attack that we learned about last month also carried out by russian military intelligence against the office of senator claire mccaskill of missouri, one of the most vulnerable republicans running this year. they are saying, quote, despite last week's steps, we are concerned by the continued activity targeting these and other sites and directed towards elected officials, politicians, political groups and think tanks across the political spectrum in the united states. taken together, this pattern mirrors the type of activity we saw prior to the 2016 election in the united states and the 2017 election in france.
alisyn and john, microsoft overnight said they are rolling out cyber campaign protection service to offer for free to try to prevent whatever attacks are still to come. you can be sure, there are more expected. john, alisyn? >> alex marquardt, thank you so much for that report. let's bring in david gregory. and david sanger. david is also the author of the perfect weapon. david sanger, i would like to quote to you from david sanger, if you will, for a moment from the new york times this morning about these new targets the hudson institute and the international republican institute. you write the shift to attack conservative think tanks underscores the russian intelligence agency's goals to disrupt any institutions challenging moscow and president vladimir v. putin of russia. >> that's right, john. you have to remember, these aren't really partisan attacks
that are under way. these are attacks that the russians are designing to pursue their own national interests. if that meant they were supporting donald trump over hillary clinton two years ago, it may mean today that they're supporting that part of the republican party that is lining up with president trump in his view is rather unusual view within the party about how to go deal with russia. and that they're trying to go after those institutions, including the hudson institute and the international republican institute, which does a lot of democracy promotion and has done for years done this democracy promotion. that they would attempt to try to undermine those operations. now, the other fascinating part about this, john, the fact that it wasn't successful tells you that microsoft, google, apple, others now have all the radar in place that was missing in 2016.
so you're going to hear a lot about these in the future, but you're probably not going to hear about them from american intelligence agencies. >> well, look, it's very comforting if they have the infrastructure in place to try to catch it and to alert us to it, however, david gregory, microsoft says they need greater cooperation with the federal government to thwart this couple that with what president trump said in this reuters interview yesterday, he said the mueller probe played right into the russians, if it was russians, if it was russia, they played right into the russians' hands. it's hard to know if president trump is giving the adequate support to try to combat this. >> well, i think what's interesting is that there's this bipolar nature of the american government right now and maybe even the russian government as well. we know that american intelligence agencies, counterintelligence at the fbi are working with companies to
protect american infrastructure, protect tech companies from these kinds of attacks. i think there is a lot of cooperation there, even if they may want more. but what you have is the person at the top and the president who seems to be singing off a different song sheet. that doesn't mean that the government isn't doing what he's supposed to be doing. there's adequate coverage of these kinds of issues and reporting two intelligence agents by the tech companies themselves like microsoft, it doesn't mean the campaign is not continuing. so if you look at this bilateral relationship between president trump and president putin where they have these meetings, they have summits, not all of which is reported out to their advisers, it doesn't mean that their governments are still not at work going after each other. if you're putin, what you want to deal with first and foremost is what's crippling your economy, and that's the targeting of oligarchs, targeting their economy with these sanctions that president trump isn't letting go of despite all his bluster with the
closeness with putin, whether it was the russians even though the intelligence agencies said of course it was. the government still has a vice grip on the russian economy. >> i was joking in the lead-in here, if someone had warned us this would happen, david sanger, the truth is everyone in the intelligence community has warned us this would happen and all within the last five weeks dating back to the aspen institute when dan coats said there are bright, red flashing, warning lights that this was going to happen. in this case, fancy bear, we're talking about this gru connected group inside russia, this is the same organization that hacked the dnc. this is the same group cited in robert mueller's indictment that came out last month. they are still at it. the timing is astounding, all coming to light within the last 24 hours where the president is still equivocating. >> that's absolutely right. one of the interesting things is that before he spoke at the aspen institute, dan coats, the
director of national intelligence, spoke at the hudson institute. and who is right on the target list here? the hudson institute. so, it could be that the russians are listening and to try to send a message along the way. but the boldness of this even after the specificity of that remarkable indictment, which you may recall had intercepts of conversations between individual russian officers of the gru, deciding what they were going to do in 2016 is interesting. it's also interesting that microsoft has found a way right now, it looks like, to get into this sort of cat and mouse game with the gru. they went to a judge. they got a special master appointed so that when ever they see one of these fake sites that's meant to imitate a microsoft site, they can go to the special master, take control of it and then basically put it out of business or make it
public. that's fine, but the problem is that the united states, as you suggested before, needs a far more comprehensive way to go at this. and it's not clear to me that we should have individual companies responsible for countering in the immediate moment these kinds of attacks. there needs to be a broader effort. if that's going to happen, it's got to come top down from the president. and of course that's the rhetoric that's completely missing. >> right. and imagine, imagine actually for -- despite what i just said intelligence agencies being on top of this, so this split part of the government's personality in our government, imagine if you did have the president in the rose garden with all of his intelligence chiefs around him, with the head of the fbi, with the major tech companies making a bold statement saying this will not stand and russia is on notice. the more they do this, the harder the penalties will be. we will speak with one voice on
this. and america's electoral system will not be intimidated, our democracy will not be deroaded. imagine the power of that statement backed up with the fist of the united states at all levels. as david said, that is what is remarkably absent. and you have putin and his intelligence services toying with our government, thinking that, you know, maybe trump still won't believe any of this, or maybe if they play to his ego and target trump's enemies that he'll further dismiss it like he's done so much of so far. >> david gregory, david sanger, thanks so much. in that same interview where president trump once again equivocated on whether or not russia did attack the 2016 election, the president also said that he could, the president could, donald trump could run robert mueller's investigation if he wanted to, but he said he's decided to stay out of it for now. our abby phillip live at the white house with much more. abby? >> reporter: good morning, john.
president trump seems to be expressing some growing frustration with the special counsel probe and telling reuters in that interview that he has some concerns that he may be walking into a trap. this is after weeks and months of saying he was willing to sit down with mueller. >> reporter: president trump insisting he could intervene in the special counsel investigation if he chose to. telling reuters -- i can go in and i could do whatever. i could run it if i want, but i decided to stay out. but on twitter and at public events, the president continues to try to denigrate the probe, going so far as to call the lawyers working for robert mueller thugs who are enjoying ruining people's lives. mr. trump also casting doubt on a potential sit-down interview with mueller, after spending months telling reporters he wants to speak with investigators. >> would you be willing to speak under oath to give your version of this events? >> 100%. >> are you going to talk to muler? >> i'm looking forward to it,
actually. >> reporter: the president now echoing the concerns of his attorney rudy giuliani, that an interview could be a, quote, perjury trap. saying, it's my word against comey. and he's best friends with mueller. so mueller might say, well, i believe comey and even if i'm telling the truth, that makes me a liar. that's no good. >> how do we know what the truth is? >> you're talking about whether or not the president asked james comey to go easy on michael flynn. >> that's right. they will possibly charge him with perjury should he give that answer. that's why i'm saying, in situations like this, the prosecutors, the truth is relative. >> reporter: the debate over an interview coming as sources tell cnn that the president was unsubtled that he did not know that the conversations between the white house counsel don mcgahn and mueller lasted 30 hours over several months or that his legal team did not conduct a full debriefing with mcgahn after the fact.
giuliani now claiming the president's lawyers did know the details after sources say the president thought the revelation made him look weak. >> at the time john dowd got a complete version of what mcgahn said. >> reporter: giuliani also down playing the significance of mcgahn's testimony. >> i knew not to worry about it because if the president had said anything criminal to the counsel of the white house, mcgahn wouldn't be there now. mcgahn as a matter of legal ethics and possibly even law would have to quit. >> and there's a busy day ahead today for president trump. he has two meetings today on his schedule, one with the secretary of state mike pompeo and his u.n. ambassador nikki haley before he heads to west virginia later this afternoon for a campaign event followed by a campaign rally. alisyn? >> abby, thank you very much for that reporting from the white house. so, can president trump actually get involved in the mueller probe? or is that just talk? we'll break down the president's latest comments next. ure?
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in a new interview with reuters president trump did not say if he will sit down with special counsel. but about that investigation, he did say i can go in and i could do whatever, i could run it if i want, but i decided to stay out. i'm totally allowed to be involved if i wanted to be, so far i haven't chosen to be involved. i'll stay out. david gregory is back with us now, also joining us is cnn
senior political analyst john avlon and also joined by laura coats. laura, let me start with you, can the president get involved and run the mueller investigation of which he is a subject? >> in a word, alisyn, no. he is the head of the executive branch but mueller operating under a special statute where he is account to believe the attorney general. i think if i had to trump splain this morning, he's head to decide who is the attorney general and the deputy attorney general, both of whom serve at his pleasure. if he wanted to be able to control the investigation, he could remove either of those people and assign somebody and point somebody there who may be somebody more willing to go along with his own narrative or his handling of the investigation. the direct authority belongs to robert mueller. it does not belong to president
trump. >> leave that asaid you'll get hair on your hands if you decide to investigate. >> good morning. good morning. >> i'll make that joke again later. >> there's the legal argument here is beside the point and the president isn't making a legal argument here. he's trying to assert his power. his power he feels like has been diminished over the last 48 hours with the don mcgahn story that he lost control of the situation, trying to say i'm in control here, this is me. i could do this if i wanted. >> this sort of sounds like a teenager fronting. i could totally do whatever i want. no, you can't. even if you're the president of the united states and head of the executive as laura just pointed out, there is a degree of compensation here. he's ignoring the obvious realities about the special counsel statute. go back to 1974, nixon has a memo drawn up by his lawyers when he's investigating whether he can pardon himself and has his lawyers make an argument to the judge that he's like louis
the xiv, which the judge dismisses. you cannot preside over your own judgment. that goes to self investigation as well. this is basic, folks. this is just the president fronting. >> david gregory, are you old enough to remember a time when president obama was president and republicans certainly fox news but all sorts of republicans from ted cruz to rand paul would always make claims of his imperious nature, any time he would sign an executive order, he's acting as the emperor. silence on president trump's signing all sorts of executive orders and saying all sorts of imperious things like this. >> first of all, i'm not old enough to remember, i barely remember the obama presidency. >> the gray hair is misleading. david gregory can barely drive. >> barely. i didn't understand berman's
joke, by the way. that's how young i am. >> you're still getting to that point. that's okay. >> but the point is -- no, but the point is, look, the way i read trump, this is classic trump. he wants credit for something that he doesn't really have the power to do. >> right. >> i can take this over if i wanted, but i have not done that. i have let this process go forward because i have nothing to hide. i mean, it is similar to the mcgahn situation for which he does deserve some credit. he waived the executive privilege to allow him to testify. that may be a bad thing and now he's upset about how much he may have told special prosecutor he doesn't know about that could actually hurt him. so, yes, he can fire the attorney general. he could fire rod rosenstein, but the reality is he, as a practical matter, he can't do that without huge political blow back and he hasn't done it because he knows it's incredibly unwise to do it, but he'll come right up to that line and try to get credit for all of this good behavior by letting it move
forward even though he trashes it everyday. >> to your point, the right wing, the tea party movement was based that president obama was acting like a king. >> all the time. >> constant rhetoric. they would point to his overuse of executive orders. >> let me just pull some of them up, just for fun. so senator sessions reacts, we must stop emperor obama. that's jeff sessions, okay? >> attorney general of the united states. >> that's right. there were all sorts of -- rand paul's twitter feed is showing him in a cape and with a crown and all sorts of things. >> this is tasty. this is a great archaeological investigation into another era. among the other scandals, remember people were apoplectic when he wore a tan suit in the oval office. no. this is the imperial presidency. they make a lot of hay about it
when they're out of power, but those examples are fantastic. >> thank you. >> laura coats, donald trump, the president of the united states, using some of the same type of language that the president's lawyer rudy giuliani used yesterday which is that truth isn't truth. he's trying to explain why talking to robert mueller would be a perjury trap here. we heard the quote there with abby phillip before, i won't put it up. the president is not going to talk. >> no. >> the president is not going to talk. the real question to me is when does robert mueller do something official? which is either say here is the subpoena. i'm going to try to force you to come talk or i'm done asking. here is my report. i'm curious what's going on inside that office. >> i think we all are. i think you're absolutely right, john, the notion that this good cop/bad cop scenario they're pretending to play. i would talk to them if only my lawyers would let me. i'm glad that ruse is done. he never intended to speak. he never wanted to. robert mueller does have within his druthers the ability to
subpoena the president. i know there's a lot of hay that's made about whether you can subpoena the president because most other presidents have succumb to a subpoena. but at this point in time we're at the stage where mueller has in his power that he tried to exercise and negotiate in good faith doesn't seem to get reciprocity happening on the other side of the table. a court will look at that particular issue and say, well, they have tried to get the information from you in other ways. they look at corroborating voices. those have not been fruitful or not been comprehensive enough. therefore we can exercise the authority the special counsel has over getting people to testify. now, it's going to be a longer battle. it will be drawn out because the president does not want to speak and because he's willing to play the chicken game with the special counsel, but ultimately i think the supreme court will find that somebody who heads the executive branch of government will have to actually do things in fur rens of administration of justice. the entire title of his job. mueller does have the power,
whether he has the patience is a different story. >> david gregory, quickly, let's move on to another topic and that is cyber bullying. the first lady, melania trump is apparently against it. she speaks out. this is one of her issues. this is a lovely sentiment obviously this is important, i think, to tell children. but she, as far as we can tell, has no impact on this since her husband routinely insults people and goes after them in a sort of cyber bullying way. your thoughts? >> i mean, it's just sad that an important initiative like this, it's a very important topic by a first lady who has that platform is undermined by how unseriously it's taken because of the way her husband, the president uses social media. and so it just undercuts what could be credibility and an important initiative. first lady niche tiffs like this can have a high profile. this one is just not going to
have that because of the way he uses twitter. she can try to focus the message. she can say through spokespeople that she gets the irony, but she's going to press on. i just don't see the message really getting through. >> well, obviously that obstacle is there, but i wonder if we're underestimating the first lady a little bit here. in choosing this particular initiative a out of all the ones she could have done, i wonder if she is trolling the president on this issue because again she could have picked literacy. she could have picked just sa no. she picked cyber bullying. >> look, i think that's it, an interesting family dynamic. >> at the very least. >> to explore, but it just doesn't, her initiative doesn't have any impact on person who has arguably the most impact. >> that's an intervention. >> got it. >> if that's true, john, i have to say, i agree with you if
that's the case. the last thing that the nation needs is anybody who has a passiv passive/aggressive platform. if the whole intention is to be troll and be passive/aggressive, that's insulting to the american people. >> thank you all very much. >> i'm not so sure i'm comfortable running down passive/aggressive. a colorado man charged with killing his wife and two daughters, but a bizarre twist. who he says killed his children. the closer you get to home,
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he served as an armed guard in poland and lied about it to immigration officials when he came to the united states after the war. a colorado man charged in the murders of his pregnant wife and two daughters will be back in court today, but in an unsealed affidavit, he says he is not the one who killed his children. cnn is live in colorado with more. this is a twist. >> reporter: it is, alisyn. this affidavit had been sealed since chris watts' arrest on wednesday, but in it, some explosive details. we learned that chris watts' story changed over the course of a two-day investigation. initially he essentially feigned ignorance where his missing wife and daughter could be only telling investigators that he initiated a conversation with his wife about a separation. over the course of that two-day investigation, authorities learned he was having an affair with a co-worker, something he initially denied and admitted.
then came his version of a confession which he says that conversation about separation led to this family's tragic turn. he confessed to killing his wife. he says he strangled her in a fit of rage only after he found her strangling both of their daughters. now, he then identified for authorities where he discarded the bodies, interesting enough, authorities had already located the bodies with the help of a drone survey of that petroleum company in the field where he worked. that drone spotted a bed sheet that it turns out was covering shanann watts' shallow grave. now, despite this confession from chris watts, the district attorney here is still charging him with nine felonies, including the murders of his wife and two daughters. alisyn, those charges will be formally read to him in court this morning as well as the possible penalties. but the d.a. saying it's too early to talk about the death penalty. any consideration of that won't come until after he's arraigned.
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pope francis breaking his silence after a grand jury report details the abuse of more than 1,000 children by hundreds of priests in pennsylvania. the pope wrote, with shame and repentance we acknowledge an ecclesiastic community that we were not where we should have been, that we did not act in a timely manner, realizing the magnitude and the gravity of the damage done to so many lives. we show nod care for the little ones, we abandoned them. two survivors by pennsylvania priests join us now. great to have both of you here. what did you think of the pope's words there? >> well, i think he is a man of incredible charisma and power. and if anybody can lead the church to these really fundamental reforms that it
needs, it's he. i can't say that i liked the idea of referring to the victims as the little ones. it sort of further infantilizes you as a victim. these are grown men and women now who have long standing pain. >> i think that he was referring to them at the time and that's perhaps how he sees them at the time, that they deserved protection. but on a larger note, what do you think of the pope using that? coming out and being so vocal about it, doing what no other pope has done. >> well, that's one point there. i mean, in my opinion, it was nice to see the pope finally recognize that these are crimes. and i'll admit to that. it was nice to see that. however, in my opinion, this is three or four popes short. i mean, we should have had this three or four popes ago. >> what do you want the pope to do now, beyond issuing this
statement. >> i would like the pope to rally his bishops in pennsylvania and around the world to make sure that the recommendations of the grand jury are put in place. for the longest time, you know, decades, the victims have been fighting in legislations all over, not just pennsylvania, here in new york. i've been to albany a number of time, working on the child's victim act, however there is a huge lobby effort against us in these legislations. and many of the lobbyists are paid for due in part by the catholic conference of bishops. so, i would like the pope, who is the head of all of the bishops, to change course immediately and reverse his actions on the lobbying efforts against us. >> and i know that specifically you want the statute of limitations to be longer, to be removed. >> removed.
absolutely. i have people calling me since i became public, i had a 96-year-old mother and her 76-year-old daughter call and speak to me for 45 minutes the other day at the restaurant that i own here in long island city. 45 minute conversation on how my coming on television is their bonding together over an issue that has disturbed their family their entire lives. >> you wrote this really powerful piece "the new york times" on sunday in which you talked about the abuse that you suffered at the hands of your parish priest and the entitlement and impunity with which he appeared to have done that. what's been the response that you've gotten? >> the response is overwhelmingly loving and positive. and it has allowed people to come forward and get comfort from an experience that's like their own. i mean, i think we have suffered
in secrecy and shame for so long. something like this breaks that isolation, which i think can be as painful and as damaging as the abuse itself. >> did that surprise you how many people have reached out to you? >> totally because i think as a survivor you still expect there's some very deep seeded piece of you that says, i'm going to be in big trouble. this was my fault. >> i know that one of the things you ended your piece with was you don't know if you were the only victim of the priest in your parish. have you heard from anyone else connected to that priest. >> not specifically. >> that is curious. >> yeah. >> because generally there isn't just one. >> no. >> so you're still hoping, i think, not hoping that other people were victimized but assuming that you'll hear from someone else. >> yes. i've heard veiled references and i've heard old classmates and friends talk about the seven or
eight other priests in our parish or the parish nearby that were named. you couldn't throw a stone and not hit one of these guys. >> it's just insane. it's insane how prolific they were in this abuse. here is what the pope also said yesterday. he said i'm conscious of the effort and work being carried out in various parts of the world to come up with the necessary means to ensure the safety and the protection of the integrity of children and of vulnerable adults as well as implementing zero tolerance ways making all those who perpetrate or cover up these crimes accountable. we have delayed in applying these actions and sanctions that are so necessary, yet i am confident they will help to guarantee a greater culture of care in the present and future. were those words comforting to you? >> let's keep in mind there are 30 names that are still redacted from the grand jury report. >> why? >> because they fought very hard and they were protected and they
have to go to oral arguments next month before the pennsylvania state supreme court. those are words on a page until actions are done. i implore the people of pennsylvania who have no idea what parishes these people, these 30 are in, whose kids that they're near right now. i implore you to call your state senate leadership, jake cormen and senator scar knotty and get on these guys and tell them to put these recommendations in place. we can't wait for another delay. we don't have time for another delay, you know. >> you two have taken action, you have spoken out. we appreciate you being here and sharing your personal stories with us. >> thanks for having us. >> john? >> maryland football getting set to take the field without a teammate who died. how that will honor him all season. that's next.
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jordan mcnair died in june, 15 days after suffering a heatstroke at a practice. head coach d.j. dirken remains on leave while the school investigates the circumstances surrounding mcnair's death. in the meantime, mcnair's teammates want to focus on his memory. >> it's time to get back to what is important, and that is honoring our fallen friend, brother and teammate jordan mcnair. the moment that we stop saying his name, the moment that we begin to forget, his legacy will begin to fade. but we plan to have his legacy live on forever. >> maryland's players say no one will wear the number 79 until 2021, which would have been the season after mcnair would have graduated. mcnair's locker will be encased in glass. they will wear 79 on the back of their helmets throughout the season. we had high draw in in the little legal world series. georgia was down to their last strike against texas. this is a game-tying two-run
home run. the kids jump around going crazy as does jansen's dad in the stands. he started running around he was so excited. georgia pops out to right but the umpire is going to get in the way. the winning run comes in to score for georgia. they win a thriller, 7-6 to stay alive in the little legal world series. you know what, guys, there's two types of little legal parents. those who can sit there and cheer and those that run around and go crazy when their kids do something good. full confession, i'm just like jansen's dad. i run around and go crazy. my son only plays t ball. >> i can't play the umpire got in the way of the play at the end of the game. >> i felt so bad. what could have been, you never know. >> next time we'll ask to see some of that dancing here. >> yes, a demonstration. thanks, andy. so mtv's video music awards got political, shocker.
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pop culture and politics colliding last night at mtv music awards. rapper logic wore a shirt f the wall shirt. inviting immigration families on stage reading we are all human beings. now, during the opening monologue, kevin hart wasted no time slamming the president. >> because this game, you guys are allowed to kneel. you can do whatever the hell you want. >> bad language, people run to the bathroom to send out crazy tweets. it's basically like the typical day at the white house. >> all right. i think you heard enough to get
the idea of what kevin hart was doing. joining us to discuss brian stelter. confession, we go to sleep too early. >> that's okay. >> perform your favorite number. >> i can sing havana for you. then all of our viewers will abandon cnn. they got rid of the trump jokes and got rid of them early on. kevin hart made some comments at trump's expense. it was almost perfunctory. >> there are certain comedians, certain actors that try for the most part to avoid politics. it was notable. he was there sticking it to trump. and also making a comment about you can go ahead and kneel if you want to during these performances. that was notable. but i think so much of our politics, too much of our politics is about hating the other side. the other side said that about trump or something. there wasn't much of that at this awards show, compared to the tonys where robert de niro
became the subject for days for saying f trump from stage. so, sometimes when you're looking at millennials, what are they talking about, maybe the lack of trump references is notable in that way. when you see an f the wall t-shirt, certainly that does reflect the sentiment of a lot of young voters and young people, but i think what was most important about this, the political front, mtv coming out saying we're going to try to mobilize voters for the midterms. we hear about rock the vote for the presidential cycles, young people may not turn out to the polls. mtv tries to enlist young people to vote. this time they're doing it for the midterms, which another sign of democratic strength. >> we don't know. we don't know what young people do. so one side that one person saw this as a political opportunity, michael avenatti was there at these awards. >> was he performing? >> there are six versions. he was. he was performing. he's a crooner. he was also at the dodgers game,
new hampshire, everywhere all at once. let's listen. >> pretty cool event. thought i would show up. >> were you surprised to be invited? >> a little bit. a little bit. but it's pretty cool event. and i thought i would show up. >> so you're really considering a run for president? >> i am. i'm seriously looking at it, traveling around, talking to people in the country. i've been really surprised at how much enthusiasm there is for the potential. >> he has cloned himself. you're right. he's everywhere. >> what other sort of television star would show up at awards shows and hollywood events? there is a similarity you can kind of think back five years before donald trump's brand became all politics and he would make appearances at sort of entertainment events and boost his brand that way. it was notable that mtv invited avenatti there. they see something there, even if it's just attention. >> i'm sure he wanted to sneak in without the cameras noticing
but they forced him to make that public statement as he was walking in. >> right. last second, why is everyone hating on madonna. >> there was supposed to be a big try butte to aretha franklin. all we got was this madonna speech that was a speech about madonna and how aretha franklin had influence and affected her life. a lot of people have beautiful stories like that, but i was surprised mtv didn't put more stars on stage to honor and to sing something in a tribute to aretha franklin. >> yeah. even just old video of aretha makes everybody happy. >> make speak to what a distance there is between that generation of performers and this generation of performers, all the face tattoos, all that sort of stuff you see at the awards shows right now. there will be a real tribute at msg this fall. >> every generation has something to say about aretha franklin. thanks for singing. that was the best. >> thanks to our international
viewers. for you "cnn talk" is next. for our u.s. viewers, "new day" continues right now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news -- good morning, everyone. welcome to your new day. we begin with breaking news for you because there is a new attempted russian attack on the u.s. political system. this time on conservative think tanks that have been critical of president trump and vladimir putin. microsoft says it has uncovered a russian operation in just the last few weeks and it has seized these fake websites that could have been used to influence the upcoming midterm elections. this comes as president trump once again fails to blame russia for the attacks on the 2016 election. >> so in a new interview with reuters, the president used the same type of equivocal language he did as standing next to vladimir putin. this is what the president said about the russian attacks on the u.s. system. he says, if it was russia, if he says. his own national security team