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mccain's message. washington remembers the late senator in a politically loaded ceremony. >> the america of john mccain has no need to be made great again because america was always great. >> as former rivals and lifelong friends reflect on his legacy, we'll speak with mccain's closest friends -- former senator joe lieberman and former senator lindsey graham next. plus, marquee match-up as the midterm elections kick off in r earne earnest. >> this election, we can't let up. >> all eyes turn to the florida
governors' race. >> governor trump and ron desantis are scraping the bottom of the barrel. >> it is a reflection of stark national divisions. andrew gillum will join us in minutes. and a new poll shows president trump with record high disapproval and strong support for robert mueller. >> they have fake polls. do you know what a fake poll is? >> will it matter for the midterm elections in november? >> hello. i'm dana bash in for jake tapper in washington where the "state of the union" is saying good-bye. it was a final salute to the country he served in an unmistakable rebuke to president trump. two former presidents once rivals, offering their memories of john mccain and lamenting the current state of politics. >> it's a politics that pretends
to be brave and tough but, in fact, is born of fear. >> john's voice will come as a whisper over our shoulder. we are better than this. america is better than this. >> veiled swipes at the man not in the room, the man not invited -- president trump. as dignitaries mourned senator mccain the president spent the morning attacking rivals on twitter and golfing at his resort. the show of unity barely masking the deep divisions before a brutal midterm election season. a clash of political extremes on full display in the battle for governor in florida. a trump-backed republican versus a bernie sanders-backed democrat fighting for control of the ultimate swing state. joining me is tallahassee mayor andrew gillum. let's start with the president
putting you in the spotlight and your race, of course. describing you this way in a tweet. a failed socialist mayor who allowed crime and other problems to flourish in the city. this is not what florida wants or needs. you are now in a general election in a state trump won. you ran pretty far left in the primary race. in order to be governor you need to win voters in the middle. how will you do that? >> dana, let me say first how extremely proud i was yesterday watching senator mccain's funeral. the comments from his daughter meghan from the president, all the former presidents, really was a display of who we are as a country. ron desantis and donald trump are at the far other extremes of what we want as a country and a state. i'll tell you, i don't believe that any of the issues i stood on in the primary are disqualifying in the general election. we are going to win the race
because the people of my state are interested in having an education system their kids can get a good quality education. we are 40th out of 50 in quality. the people want access to good and affordable accessible health care. i want to see teachers paid what they are worth. >> i want to dig deeper on those in a moment. before, i have to get this out of the way. i don't want to give undue attention to this, but this week a white supremacist robocall came out in your state of florida against your campaign. you are the first black nominee for governor in the state of florida. how will you fend off attacks of what are not just racially ti e tinged but racist things like we are seeing now? >> yeah. first of all, i have to tell you i do find it deeply regrettable. on the day right after i secured the democratic nomination we dealt with dog whistles from my opponent. i want to sincerely say, dana,
we can have a challenge between ideas and around what we think the people of the state of florida deserve. what i don't want the race to turn into is a race of name-calling. i want to make sure we don't racialize and frankly weaponize race as part of the process which is why i have called on my opponent to work to rise above some of these things. people are taking their cues from him, from his campaign, and from donald trump. we saw in charlottesville it can lead to dangerous outcomes. >> your opponent has condemned this robocall which we are not playing. it is beyond offensive. >> of course. >> i want to talk about what the president mentioned also in that tweet which is the crime rate in your city. it is true that your county has the highest crime rate in the state of florida. the number of murders there hit a new high just last year. how do you explain to florida voters why they should trust you with their state when those
crime rates are so high? >> well, i'm the mayor of the city of tallahassee, not the county of leon. in the city of tallahassee we are experiencing a five-year low in our crime rate. in fact, we are on par to see historic lows in the crime rate this year if we keep on the pattern we are on currently. we didn't do it by arresting people and throwing away the key but by leaning into smart justice, second chances. the best way to control a crime rate is frankly to reduce the number of people who reoffend. we are proud of the very progressive way we have addressed crime in my city. it is evident by the numbers. i'm proud of where we are and i would like those kinds of strategies scaled up around florida. >> let's go to health care. you mentioned you support medicare for all. a study this summer from george mason university estimates that medicare for all, the plan, would cost the government $33
trillion -- with a t -- dollars over the next decade which would obviously require a significant tax increase. florida has a reputation, as you know, for being a tax averse state. are you ready to tell the people of florida they have to pay more in taxes to fund your health care plan? >> let me say first there was a report that showed that should we move to cover more people through medicare for all we could save the system trillions over time. >> you could, but in the short term you need to raise taxes. fair? >> so what i would say is, first of all -- and i want to be clear -- the state of florida could not take this road by itself. we would need to do it as part of a federation of other states coming together. think of florida, new york, california -- >> sir, in order to do that taxes would have to be raised. is that fair? do you agree with that? >> i don't buy that. >> how do you find that kind of money for the government without raising taxes?
>> first i would say, one, florida could not do it by itself. secondly, we have the opportunity to expand medicaid for over 700,000 of the most medically needy people in florida. my governor in the legislature refused to do it. it costs us about $6 billion in money that should have come from the federal government to the state of florida that we never received. i'm saying -- and i want to be clear, dana, this is personal to me. i remember growing up having to wait for the mobile dental clinic to come through the neighborhood in order to have my teeth cleaned. >> i know you have experiences and you're coming from a real place, a personal place in supporting this, but as a government official you have to make it work. you have to make the numbers work. >> absolutely. >> i don't understand how you would do it without raising taxes. >> so the first step we would take is expand medicaid and pull down about $6 billion a year from the federal government. that's important. secondly, as governor of the
state of florida i would work to bring a number of the larger state into a conversation about how together we could negotiate prices and access health care to cover more people. and ensure those of us who are insured, who are right now paying premium increases year over year all because donald trump and -- >> let me get it this way. >> yeah. >> will you say you will not support raising taxes to make your health care plan work? >> i will absolutely not raise taxes on everyday working floridians to give access -- >> what about wealthier people? >> i ran on this, by the way. we will increase taxes for corporations in our state who right now, just so you are aware, only 3% of people in florida pay the corporate tax rate. that 3% under the donald trump tax scam got a windfall of $6.3 billion overnight due to the tax reform that took place in washington, d.c. we are not asking for all of it. we said we believe we ought to
bring a billion of that money back into the state's government. being a cheap date state hasn't worked for florida. unfortunately we have to do it to be a leading state. >> one more issue. we have spent a lot of time on health care. on immigration, you have joined growing calls for replacing i.c.e. the state of california passed a plan to be a sanctuary state which limits state cooperation with federal immigration officials. would you support that plan for the state of florida? >> no. what i would support is the policies of this current administration have been wholly misguided and in my opinion un-american. not one of us wants to undermine the work of i.c.e. to do the work to stop human trafficking, sex trafficking, precluding drugs and other insidious entrances into our state. unfortunately this border crisis
the president created is of his own making. we haven't had the level of border crossing into this country since 2010. this is a strawman argument meant to speak to his base. it doesn't keep any of us safer. he turned the work of this agency into a family separation and deportation force. it is un-american and makes us all less safe. >> i have to ask you about something going on in your city. there is an ongoing corruption probe into development deals in tallahassee since you have been mayor. i understand you are cooperating in the investigation. you want to see justice done. this investigation has breached your inner circle already. you're the mayor. does the buck stop with you on this? >> yeah. first of all, not a former aide of mine, but i will say this much. i nor my government -- >> he was a campaign aide, correct? >> a volunteer. not an aide. the point being is nobody wants
more for any activity that's illegal or corrupt that has occurred. we want to make sure any individual that participated in that is held fully accountable. the good news is it doesn't involve my government or myself. we have been fully cooperating and the difference in how we have addressed this and how donald trump did is we tried to aid in their work. donald trump and ron desantis tried to undermine them at every turn. that's an absence of leadership. what we have done has been a model of how to deal with these things to root out any bad pl r playplay play players and bad activity. nobody wants to bring it to conclusion quicker than i do. >> bernie sanders was one of your big supporters particularly toward the end of your primary race. you endorsed hillary clinton in
2016. would you endorse bernie sanders for president in 2020? >> i'm trying to get elected governor. we are trying to save the state. i'm deeply appreciative of the support of senator sanders. i did support secretary clinton. i spoke to her last week. she and president clinton. i value their friendship. we showed we have the ability to bring together all the wings of the democratic party. in order for us to win we have to bring the entirety of the party together. >> we'll get back to you the day after the election on that question. >> yes. thanks, dana. >> tough poll numbers for president trump, but that's not stopping some republican candidate s from asking for his support. and a final farewell. >> what better way to get a last laugh than to make george and i say nice things about him to a national audience? >> we'll talk to john mccain's closest friends and allies, lindsey graham and joe lieberman. in your gut,
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so willingly. the america of john mccain has no need to be made great again because america was always great. >> that was senator mccain's daughter going after president trump as she's also celebrated in an intense and emotional way the life of her father. let's discuss. you are good friends with meghan mccain. have you spoken to her? what's your sense of how she felt? >> i think she was relieved to get through it, to get it all out. this was not something that's just important to meghan in her dad's passing but as a conservative and the way she was brought up as a conservative. she's deeply troubled by the division in this country and the division within our own party. so that was, i think, cathartic for her to get that off her chest. also to do it while paying tribute to her dad, a man she
was so incredibly close with. she's exhausted. she is exhausted emotionally. >> i can't imagine. governor jan brewer, you served with john mccain for many, many years in your home state of arizona. what were your thoughts on the memorial service and the week? >> the whole complete week has just been amazing. the tributes that have been given to him are well deserved and bring back a flood of memories. he was a great man. john and i started our careers together. he ran for the united states congress and i ran for the legislature. he moved to the senate. i moved to the senate. from then on our careers just paralleled. >> you are also a supporter of president trump. how will he react to that? >> say that again. >> how is he going to react to the comments that we heard from meghan mccain? >> i have no idea. i understand that he tweeted out again this morning. i wish we could see some calmness coming out of this.
i was just brokenhearted yesterday listening to meghan. her remarks were very, very, very touching. she was so emotionally distraught that at a time like this i think we should all be sensitive. she was very relieved after she gave that it was like she got it off of her chest. >> i think that yesterday birthed a new star. i know we don't go to funerals or have these moments in our country and expect to see a new star come out of it. but meghan mccain yesterday -- i can't imagine having the strength or courage to do what she did. and the nostalgia we had of a republican party that once was. i think when we saw george w. bush or barack obama there remembering a man like john mccain you understand that this republican party isn't what it once was. my question to people like lindsey graham who comes on later this morning is how do you
admire and hold in reverence a man like john mccain but then cowtow to someone like donald trump? i think john mccain deserves better. >> congressman ryan, do you think genuinely you are going to go back after labor day to congress and really heed the message that all of these mccain memorial services were very clear about -- work together? >> i'm cautiously optimistic. the momentum is going so much in the other direction that i think it could be tough. i think it's interesting. when you have the democrats rooting on certain republicans like, come on, help us fix this problem that we have. really the most touching part was when she talked about him as a dad. >> yeah. >> if you weren't tearing up or crying i don't know if you're human. to me, that cut through all of
the politics. >> well, yes. i agree with that. but the message was about, you know, the current state of politics as well. we want to look at a poll that just came out from the washington post. president trump's disapproval is at 60%. his approval at 36%. governor brewer, why do you think the president is in worse shape, even with fellow republicans? should republicans be worried? >> it's a state of people not getting along. there is so much negativity. i think it feeds on itself. it's just unfortunate for our country. we need to -- those of us that worked in deliberative bodies, that's how you get things done. you have to work with one another. the president, i think, believes in his heart he's doing the
right thing. it's the way it is being conducted that's heartbreaking. >> s.e., and all of you, i want to put up a map. as much as president trump is hurting in the polls with independents and doing worse with republicans, the states that you see in blue there are all states that president trump is going to go to, i'm told, this month to campaign for republicans. they want him there, s.e. >> yeah. there is no question that when it comes to the house, the senate, the governor races and in 2020 a national race, there are four races going on. the republican party has to determine when and where president trump is useful. make no mistake, the tribalism in this country and in the two parties and even within my party pitting republicans against republicans, that's rewarded more than coming together and
reaching compromises. compromise became a dirty word. that makes john mccain frankly roll over in his grave. the conservative movement now, while conservative values are strong the conservative movement is in a coma. it is not dead. it's on life support. conservatives need to take a good hard look at where we want these traditions and principles to go and who are the best people to carry them there. not the man in the white house. >> the most interesting thing about the map is not do they want donald trump there but they need donald trump in places like mississippi and tennessee. there are places that will be in play. mike espy is running a hell of a race in mississippi. then you go to florida. you just had andrew gillum who is not the future of the democratic party. he's the now of the democratic party. what most people understand is this race in florida, that's donald trump's litmus test. if we are able to take back the
governor's mansion in florida there is a good chance to take back the white house in 2020. andrew gillum is that person. you look at tennessee. i'm saying democrats have an opportunity. tim probably will laugh when i say this. we are proverbial bed wetters. we have to make sure we take advantage of the opportunity that we have in front of us because donald trump is giving us victories -- electoral victories on a platter. >> yeah. i think there is political post traumatic stress within the democratic party after the last election. trump is going to these states because midterm elections are base elections for the most part. he maintains a good deal of popularity within his base. where the rubber meets the road is democrats are energized. can we keep our energy there, get our voters out and the 57% of the independent voters who disapprove of donald trump, can we pull them to our side in the
midterm elections? i think the independent voters are more motivated today than they would be in a midterm election normally. >> with people like maybe alexandra cortes, maybe not. that's the crisis your party is facing. >> it's not a crisis. i want my voice to be louder than others here because we are the party of tim ryan. we are the party of joe manchin and elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. our tent is extremely big. the message of elizabeth warren and bernie sanders will not resonate loudly in south carolina. >> we have to take a quick break. because you brought that up -- >> i was rolling. sunday morning. >> i need to ask you, time for new leadership if democrats take back the house? will you run for speaker? he love this s this question. >> we need new leadership. >> are you the guy? >> i'm not sure. i'm not closing the door on it. it's time to move in another direction. i thought that 18 months ago.
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joe lieberman, lindsey graham, john mccain. the famous three amigos of the u.s. senate, friends to the end of mccain's celebrated life. there they are right there together at mccain's beloved home in arizona. i'm honored to have both of them with me today to talk about the life of john mccain, former senator joe lieberman of connecticut and current republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina. thank you both for joining me. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> senator lieberman, we heard from you yesterday so eloquently at the funeral. that was the first time we heard you speak about senator mccain
since he passed. you have chosen to stay private until yesterday. what has this week been like for you? >> well, you know, it actually reminded me of the death of people close to me -- my parents. in both those cases, my mom and dad and john, you could see their death coming. when it comes, it hurts. so you plunge yourself into sort of remembrances and the rest which is actually therapeutic. looking back, i tell you what comforted me most was john's own words. last summer after the surgery, i saw him out in arizona at his place in the country. he said to me -- and he said this publically, but i want to repeat it. of course i would like to live as long as i can. but nobody can live forever.
if this is my time, i look back and i say i have had a great life. he said something to me that is an adjective one doesn't use much toward john mccain. i think it was adorable. he says to me -- >> never heard that one. >> he says to me, joey, you and lind lindsey and i traveled to places billionaires can't go to. by the nature of our relationship i say you're right. some of them nobody, including billionaires, would want to go to. >> yeah. >> so his own attitude, the way he faced death with characteristic fearlessness and perspective really comforted me. but we're going to miss him. he's irreplaceable. >> senator graham, i want to ask you about a private moment you had on the senate floor on friday. they cleared the chamber.
you went to senator mccain's desk with cindy mccain, his widow. what was that like? >> it was touching. this is the public, where he spent the best years of his life in service to his country. we all know about vietnam. but john loved the senate. he was a man of the senate. he loved the institution. when you write the history of the senate he'll be in the first chapter. it meant a lot to cindy to sit at his desk. >> she sat down? >> yes. i said, you will sit here. you don't get these seats by yourself. to all the team mccain people -- his staff, friends, family -- john couldn't have been this successful without them. she deserved to sit there. you had rick davis and mark salder there. i said the reason he came back so many times doing all the things that john did was because he had a hell of a political team around him. his number one cheerleader politically was cindy mccain. people don't appreciate how much support cindy gave him and help
politically but in sickness for the last year she was totally devoted to this man. >> meghan mccain posted a photo. she called you, quote, my uncles forever. certainly that's how she feels about you. i want you with the viewers to listen to how meghan mccain remembered her father yesterday at the national cathedral. we gather here to mourn the passing of american greatness. the real thing, not cheap rhetoric. for men who will never come near the sacrifice, he gave so willingly. nor the appropriation of people who lived lives of privilege while he suffered and served. america was always great. >> i was in the cathedral yesterday that she went there so directly like she did. he wasn't invited -- donald trump.
instead, he went golfing. what's your reaction to the clip and to those words? >> number one, she's a beautiful, talented young lady. she's her father's daughter. if you say something bad about your dad, you will know it whether you are the janitor or the president of the united states. she's grieving for the father she adored and most americans would understand that. i am so proud of the young lady she's become. i'm totally okay with everything. >> hear, hear. i appreciate that she said a picture of her uncles. i feel like her uncle and my wife feels like her aunt. we love her really. >> yes. >> yesterday, i was a very proud uncle. to say the obvious, meghan is a daughter who had a very special close relationship with her father, john mccain. so he's gone. he's died. she's grieving and yet by the
nature of his life she's called on to make a very public global statement appearance. very hard. but she did it. she did it magnificently. she did it the way her dad would want her to do it. you know what? she was direct the way john was. sometimes those around you are even more direct than you would be in a given situation. >> good point. >> god bless her. >> i was at the funeral yesterday. when i saw ivanka trump and jared kushner, i was surprised. i didn't know they were on the invite list. turns out senator graham, you were behind that? >> no. nobody that was at the funeral didn't get invited by the family. i met with ivanka about a trip we are planning in africa earlier in the week. ivanka said nice things about senator mccain after his passing. it was not unnoticed by the family. if you wanted to invite everybody that loved john mccain
you could have filled up yankee stadium. i'm hoping that cindy who has done terrific work for human trafficking of women and all things related to that issue can work with ivanka and others because that's her life's work. maybe these two can work together to help women in desperate straits. i think both would like to do that. i would like to help to the extend i could. -- to the extent i could. >> are you happy they were there? >> i was. they were sitting right behind us. >> i saw you there. >> they were positive about john mccain and i thanked them as john's friend that they would come. i thought it meant a lot. at the end i spoke to them, too. there were no complaints. they felt that the whole service was a great tribute to him and elevating. hopefully everybody is elevated
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i told that story because it says a lot about john that he was at a point -- i mean, to prove his bona fides, as somebody who believed in bipartisanship and the particular need for bipartisanship now in the government that he even thought about me seriously which as i said yesterday, i didn't think it was possible. but i did have an advocate inside the mccain operation. >> you had a mole. >> i had a mole, yeah. anyway, we go forward. >> i want to ask a couple of newsy questions. senator graham, in an interview this week with bloomberg president trump said he views the muller investigation as a, quote, illegal investigation. do you think it's illegal? >> no. >> does that make you worry that he's going to do something? >> no. i lived through the clinton era where ken starr -- >> bill clinton never called it
illegal. >> my god, everyone around him said -- they called him everything you could call him. this is the way the system works. mueller will be allowed to do his job. i might be chairman next year of the committee. i'll look at the fbi abuse of the fisa warrant, about how the department of justice and fbi were in the tank for clinton and were out to get trump early on. i don't say that about mueller. mueller is the only guy in the country that can exonerate the president. i keep telling him that. we'll allow mueller to do his jo. hopefully sooner than later we'll find out what he finds. >> president trump unleashed attacks on canada and other allies over the last few weeks. he said this in a tweet. quote, we shouldn't have to buy our friends with bad trade deals and free military protection. he's praised adversaries like north korea, like russia.
you were the chairman of the homeland security committee. >> yes. >> would you say the president of the united states is still the leader of the free world? >> yeah. he is the leader of the free world. because of the strength of america. people depend on us. that's what i tried to say yesterday about john -- >> because of america, not because of this president. >> the president because of some of the things he said has made some people anxious. i must say on the other hand, if you go to the middle east today, the arab world and israel feel that they have a president they can trust and they got worried that the previous administration was too focused on making a deal with iran. in asia, countries like japan and south korea feel pretty good about the president. i do worry about comments like the one you describe toward canada and mexico, for instance. it's not that our relationships are perfect. but our strength really in the world is we don't want to do it all alone. we need good allies.
canada and mexico are not only good allies, they are good sources of economic investment and trade with our country that creates millions of jobs here. i always hope that the president stops before his words -- >> if only you knew somebody who spoke to the president frequently who could tell him that. >> we'll get a nafta deal. i think canada will be in it. he's pushing hard and he should. with lumber we have always had a problem with canada. they are allies, not enemies. >> i want to ask you before we run out of time about very big hearings before your committee in judiciary this week. brett kavanaugh's nomination to be a supreme court justice. kavanaugh could be a decisive vote on roe v. wade. you are staunchly anti-abortion. you have supported legislation
for that view. where do you stand? do you hope kavanaugh overturns roe v. wade? >> i hope if there is a case before him that challenges roe v. wade that he would listen to both sides of the story, apply a test to overturn precedent. precedent is important, but not inviolet. the bottom line is there is a process to overturn a precedent. i think he understands the process. he'll apply it. if it were up to me, states would make the decisions, not the supreme court. it is a long held precedent of the court. it will be challenged over time. i hope he'll give it a fair hearing. >> i'm glad we got that in. if senator mccain heard you talking about him the whole time they would say, come on, guys, talk about the news of the day. >> you're both leaving here to go to annapolis to bury your
friend john mccain. >> yeah. >> talk about the moment that you will have -- a private >> it's going to be hard, because it's the last farewell. and, you know, i must say, religiously, i always feel that when you bury somebody, their body is there but their soul goes on to the next world. i feel that way about john. but i'm also left with incredible memories, the trips the three of us had, the things we learned together her the great times we had. the way in which i believe we represented america. the times we spent with men and women of the american armed services. this was a treasure. and to have the friendship of john mccain and lindsey graham, as i was blessed to have had, and continue, you know, i say goodbye, my heart will be heavy. i'll shed a year. and yet, i'll thank god that i
knew a man like john mccain. >> i'm going to try to focus on the fact that i'll admit to what i've lost. i cannot think of anything i've done in politics of consequence, any cause i've engaged in, that john was not there, that i was not his wing man. as to joe, you described your friend, my friend, so eloquently. that was the greatest tribute because you described the man i know you and i both love. i also want america to understand, there's a lesson from this week. it's not about who came and who said what at the funeral. military service is appreciated. everybody loved the fact that john was willing to die for his country. if you're thinking about public service, here's the formula. work hard, know what you're talking about, and people will listen to you. pick a cause worthy of a good fight. fight hard, be willing to forgive, and ask for
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