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put their names in an anonymous letter. >> he tweeted something on friday after george papadopoulos was sentenced. he said, 14 days for $28 million, $2 million a day, no collusion. what is he talking about, the $28 million? >> i would have to go back and check and look at that. i didn't see the that, sorry. >> the price tag of the russia investigation? because if so, that's highly inflated. >> again, i would have to check, jeff. i'm not sure of that reference. >> -- testify or not? >> that's a question i would refer you to outside counsel. david? >> -- going to pennsylvania tomorrow. what does he plan to say? >> certainly, the focus will be on remembering that horrific day and remembering the lives that were lost and certainly honoring the individuals who were not only lost that day, but also put their lives on the line to help in that process he'll be there and the vice president will be here in washington, d.c. at the pentagon. david?
>> sarah? >> thank you very much. i'm assuming you've read bob woodward's book. i know a lot of us have. can we expect, other than repeating denials from general mattis, general kelly, john dowd, can we expect the white house to give a list of all the things in the book that are wrong and that qualified woodward to be a liar. >> i think that would be a complete and utter waste of our time, so no. >> hold on a second. so then that goes to this quinnipiac poll that came out today that says that 55% of americans believe that the op-ed writer in "the times" is right and that the president is getting a 60% negative rating on the honest and truthful. 60% of americans think he's a dishonest person. so does the president think he can actually win a credibility battle with bob woodward, who's a, with, you know, an august member of the press corps, helped take richard nixon down, and is a legend. how can he win that credibility battle? >> once again, i think i would rather take the actual, on-record account from people who are here, who have been working in this building, who have interacted with the president day in, day out, like general mattis, like general
kelly, like myself, not disgruntled former employees that refuse to put their name on things when they come out to attack the president. i think that those are far more credible sources and certainly far more reliable voices within this administration and that can accurately tell what's taking place in the building behind me. >> is the president still a credible voice? >> absolutely. john? >> thanks a lot, sarah. you said a lot, the president has said a lot about the publication of this op-ed. you've called it, the president has called it a betrayal. you've called it an act of disloyalty. but the president has been mentioned quite a few times, even here in this briefing, has called on the department of justice to investigate the publication of this op-ed. there is no violation of the criminal code that goes along with the publication of this op-ed, so i'm a little curious as to what it is that the president believes may have been violated in the law as it relates to the publication of this op-ed piece. >> once again, we would consider someone who is actively trying
to undermine the executive branch of our government inappropriate, and something to cause concern, and they should look at it. >> what's the criminal violation there? >> once again, we're just saying this gives a great level of concern and they should look into it. >> but it's not a violation of the law, though? just having concern is not a violation of law. >> it's not -- i'm not an attorney. it's the department of justice to make that determination and we're asking t ining them to lo it and make that determination. and they certainly are fully capable of doing that. but someone actively trying to undermine the dually elected the president and the entire executive branch of president, that seems quite problematic to me and something they should take a look at. john? >> thank you, sarah. just to try to specify this a bit, is the white house treating the anonymous op-ed writer as a full-fledged breach of security matter? and is the fbi investigating both staff and their means of
communications? cell phones and computers and the like? >> i'm not aware of that level. that wouldn't be something that i would be a part of. but certainly, as i just told your colleague, we think there is a concern here and it should be looked into. >> one other question. >> sorry. go ahead, john. >> did the -- obviously, the whole world watched when the front running brazilian presidential candidate was stabbed last week. has the president called or sent any statement to his family at all? >> i'm not aware that the president has, but i do believe members of the administration have reached out and i'll work to get the specifics of who that was. david? >> sarah, what does the president make of all of this talk about the 25th amendment and some of what he hears on media outlets regarding the word "crazy talk." it seems like there's a lot of talk about that on many of the mainstream media outlets. >> i think we would say that it's about as ridiculous as most of bob woodward's book. the fact that that's actually
being honestly discussed is ridiculous. and frankly, it's insulting to the nearly 62 million people that came out and overwhelmingly supported this president, voted for him, supported his agenda, and are watching and cheering on as he successfully implements that agenda every single day. sager? >> thanks, sarah. can you give a sense of what documents the president the considering for declassification some time in the next two weeks? and when exactly can we expect them? >> went we have specifics on that, we'll let you know. >> can you give us a sense of what the documents are? >> i can't get into that right now, but when we have an announcement on it, i'll certainly let you know. steven? >> i want to ask you about the mideast state department. today they announced they were going to close the palestinian mission here in washington. the palestinian ambassador to the u.s. accuses this country of murdering the peace process and undermining its role in the peace process. the state department says it's not retreating from our efforts to create a lasting and comprehensive peace? which is it and how is the pi
united states still an honest broker in this process? >> certainly, we've been very up-front throughout the process and the fact that we want to see peace, we want to have those conversations, we want to help broker that deal. and we're going to continue pushing forward. beyond that, i don't have anything specific on it today. >> -- close the office. the palestinians are saying that the u.s. can no longer be in on its -- this is another example of what they say that the u.s. is too aligned with israel. is that not the case? >> certainly, we have a great deal of support with our friend and ally in israel. but again, we are as committed today as we've ever been to the peace process. >> sarah, thank you. on friday, the president talked about a new deal, a trade deal with india. hind of trade argument is he talking about? what kind of -- india? >> i know that a number of administration officials just recently came back from india. they expressed their willingness to negotiate new and better trade deals and those conversations are at the beginning stages and we'll certainly keep you posted a as
we get further in the process. hallie? >> thank you, sarah. i want to follow up on steven's question on the peace process here. and just, you say the door continues to be open and you're still working on it. but is it realistic for the president to believe he can actually achieve peace in the middle east, in his first term in office, as he's promised to do, something his son-in-law is working on as well, when the administration has taken steps and palestinians themselves have said, do not help. >> again, we are very much committed to the process and still hopeful we can get there. >> john bolton today said that the administration would sanction the international criminal court, which is a move that seems to be a reversion to sort of bush-era policies. is it fair to say that this administration is now shifting to a more hardline stance towards the icc? and if it is so feckless, then why is the u.s. so concerned? >> certainly, the president is committed to defending our national sovereignty and all of our security interests, which could include using any means necessary to protect our citizens. those of our allies of unjust prosecution by the icc. their announcement that they would consider opening an
investigation into, among other parties, u.s. soldiers in afghanistan, is a threat to american sovereignty. and if they proceed with that, then the united states would consider those options that ambassador bolton laid out today. >> so why the concern. if the icc is dead to you, what is the concern -- >> because they told us they were on the verge of making that decision, and we're letting them know our position ahead of them making that decision. i'll take one last question. david? >> sarah, the editor of the global times, which is beijing's premiere foreign policy outlet, wrote on twitter today that the president blames china on north korea quite a bit, but now that there seems to be some improvement in north korea's stance, does china deserve some credit? and he zpsuggested that they do. what do you think about that? >> i think that the president deserves the credit in this process. he's been the lead voice and the one that put the initial
pressure on north korea. certainly, the president has very publicly expressed his gratitude towards president xi for the role that they played. he would have liked to have seen them continue to step up and do more. frankly, we'll stid like to see them step up and do more. but the credit in this process at this point and where we are, i would say, belongs to president trump. and we're going to continue to hopefully work with president xi and his team and his administration to continue to making progress. >> given that you're having a second meeting, it sounds like with kim jong-un, does the president believe that really he has to negotiate that almost personally with kim, given that once the two leaders have left, things seem to go poorly and then they have to reschedule another meeting? >> i don't know that it's gone poorly, considering steps have been taken by the north koreans to show signs of good faith. >> but other steps have been taken, so i wouldn't say that it's gone poorly. but at the end of the day, ultimately, it's always going to be best when you can have the
two leaders sit down. particularly from the north korean side, most of the decisions will have to be run through kim jong-un. certainly, he'll want to talk to his counterpart in president trump. we think it's important and we're glad that we're making progress. thanks so much, guys. have a great day. >> all right, let's get rate to it. let me bring in our cnn senior political analyst, mark preston and margaret talev. you're normally sitting in those sit seats. so we've been covering this anonymous senior administration source who pinned that "new york times" opinion piece, and lumping that in, too, with the news of the big bob woodward tell-all book that's officially coming out tomorrow. and listening to sarah sanders, she reiterated what we heard from the president, the word gutless. that it was gutless of this person and cowardly, but also that pett pathetic that the media would be covering as emphatically as we have. i would counter, and i want to hear your two cents on the fact
that, "a," you do have the president of the united states coming out on national tv and saying, i would take a lie detector test. so that's newsworthy, "a." and "b," the fact that you have the president calling on the ag to investigate. >> yeah, i think that's right. it's the president's own public response both to the biook and o the anonymous letter that have fueled so much of the continuing controversy over it. but i think what you saw with this white house briefing was a real effort by the white house, a fairly skillful effort at that to try to get the narrative back on track about the things that some people in the white house think they should be talking about. the economy, of course. you have hassett, the economic adviser out there. he's sort of maybe the right anecdote for the drama. mild-mannered, apologetic about getting some wrong statistics out, actually thanking journalists for correcting the white house, saying they want to get the right information out. and then this effort by the white house to draw focus to the potential for a second meeting with kim on north korea. but as you saw from the questions right out of the gate, still a lot of questions about
what the white house is prepared to do. and some mixed messages from the white house. no lie detector test. that's maybe sort of an important marker to lay down. but they're not ruling out the president's continued interest in somehow going after legally, either bob woodward or "the new york times" or both, so. >> right. right. i think jogging back to your point for a second and seeing, you know, kevin hassett on the economy in a refreshing moment at that podium, right, saying, that was a mistake, you know, the trump tweet, adding a zero to the number 100. but on this notion, mark, that this white house -- if they're talking about the president's calling on the attorney general to investigate, right? and they're saying, listen, if this person was involved in national security discussions, it is absolutely merited, but i think it is extraordinary that they are still saying -- staying on this since, for all intents and purposes that we know of, no crime has been committed. >> yeah, they really have mishandled this in so many ways,
brooke. you wonder why president trump would want to go directly to the department of justice, to bring the fbi into this, instead of trying to deal with this internally, working with, you know, the levers of government that do exist when it comes to hiring of folks for the west wing. i don't understand why he didn't go to the office of personnel and management and say, listen, we obviously have a situation here, let's figure out who this person is that doesn't want to be on their team. the white house is correct in saying, listen, if you don't want to be on the team, then perhaps you should leave. except -- except, except, except, there are many people that i have talked to in the administration who have said that they're staying there for the very reason of just making sure the train doesn't go off the tracks. so, there does seem to be a lot of validity and margaret can probably tell you the same, to what we saw in that op-ed. the conversations that we've had. the conversations that we cannot necessarily always talk about on tv. there was a lot of concern here in washington about how donald trump was reacting, and quite
frankly, with his actions. >> let me ask the two of you to stand by. i've got jeff zeleny up on the camera. and kaitlan collins is in front of the white house, too. so jeff, on the woodward book, it seems their only defense is to attack his credibility, right? the president keeps calling him a liar. >> reporter: well, brooke, that certainly is the strategy of the president. he called it a joke, he called the book a scam. he certainly is going after the methods used in the book, rather than the substance of the book entirely. but one thing i think is striking, we have not yet heard from the president on what he thinks about some of the people he's not received denials from. gary cohn, first and foremost. you know, the former chief comic-con adviser, who's, you know, a subject of the opening chapters of the book, talking about that dramatic scene of taking, you know, a document off the resolute desk in the oval office. we haven't yet heard from the president what he thinks of that. there's no question this is a classic trump strategy of going after the messenger and trying
to gloss over a bit of the message, if you will. but it is one of the reasons i asked sarah sanders about the lie detector test specifically. so if you stop and thinking about it and pause and reflect how abnormal this is, for the vice president of the united states to say in an interview with chris wallace over the weekend, that he would sit for a lie detector test. so i asked sarah sanders about that, and she quickly tried to move off of that. she said, there are not going to be lie detectors. so what they're trying to do is say, we're focusing on the matter at hand. they're trying to get the president to focus on substance, like the economy and other matters. but he privately, we're told, is still seething and consumed by all of this, from the woodward book at the beginning of last week to the op-ed at the end of the book. and all of this will start over again when the book is released tomorrow. and there are even more details in the book that we have not yet reported on. >> listening to you, jeff, and kaitlan, over to you. the president is tweeting on one
hand, the white house is a smooth-running machine, yet p r paranoia with a capital "p." >> reporter: there are not many inside the white house who would agree it's a smooth-running machine, even though who are the most optimistic. this is the first meeting we've had in 19 days. following up on what jeff said about the lie detector test, sarah sanders essentially ruled them out right there. but we know that president trump privately is talking to allies about this suggestion. what they think about it. and when he was in an interview last week and he was asked about this proposal, he didn't rule out the idea of giving out lie detectors to those staffers to find out who it is that wrote this op-ed. and his own vice president is volunteering to take one. so clearly he doesn't think it's that ludicrous of an idea if he's offering to do so. secondly, sarah sanders did not say that the president is not considering bringing a lawsuit against bob woodward for writing this book. when she was asked about that, she said she would keep us updated and launched into these series of attacks on bob woodward for the way he reported
this book and didn't ask certain people, according to her, about conversations that he reported on in this book. but then thirdly, brooke, they could not name what crime it is, the person who wrote this op-ed committed and that should be looked into by the justice department. now, they couched it by sarah sanders saying, she's not an attorney, it's for the department of justice to decide, but there is no denyingi that te president made it pretty clear what he thinks his attorney general, jeff sessions, should be doing and they should be looking into who this is. several reporters brought up this would be protected likely under the first amendment. but clearly, we're seeing the white house here very unaware of who it is that wrote this op-ed. and they're trying to find out a way, any kind of way to mount a defense against what this person who still works in the administration staid in "the new york times". >> but clearly, sarah sanders kept trying to get everyone focusing on the progress with north korea, right? this letter that came in from kim jong-un. and of course, the economy, right? they bring in the guest, jeff.
you thought maybe it would be somebody from fema. and of course, we know this white house has been in touch with fema and governors. but it was this moment i want to play. mark and margaret, i want to come back to you two on this. for everyone, in case you missed it, it's a moment you don't see very often in that white house press briefing room. a trump adviser admitting the president got it wrong. >> the history of thought of how errors happen is not something that, you know, i can engage in, because like from the initial fact to what the president said, i don't know the whole chain of command. but what is true is that it's the highest in ten years. and at some point, somebody probably conveyed it to him, adding a zero to that and they shouldn't have done that. and i can say that at least we numbers geeks here at the white house are grateful -- when the press finds mistakes that we make -- we don't like making mistakes, but we're grateful when they're pointed out because we want to correct them.
and you might notice they gave sarah a bad number a few weeks ago, it was 100% my fault and i apologized immediately. and you would have to talk to the president about where the number came from, but the correct number is ten years. >> margaret, "we're grateful to you for correcting us," "we're sorry," "we got it wrong." are pigs flying somewhere? >> well, um, as americans know, that's the way most white houses act outwardly, in public settings, when there is an error. and what it does is it builds credibility and confidence and good faith. >> it does. >> so as i said, in the middle of a controversy, maybe kevin hassett is the right guy to bri bring out every single time. but i do think that, again, there is this push and pull, with many people inside the white house feeling that the economy, the economic numbers are what the president should be running on and the momentum that he should be taking into those midterm elections.
and this ongoing kind of tug-of-war about the president ooh feeling incredibly frustrated a about the disclosures in this book, about the allegations by anonymous is continuing to pull them off-course, at a time exactly when he's supposed to be ramping up these midterm paerps appear some tough congressional races. so i think this is what they're going to have to thread the needle, is sort of an attempt to court correct the president's instincts to return to the controversy, instead of, you know, like looking away from the tree, right? >> right. right, mark, close us out. >> you know, very quickly, he did a great job of deflecting, distracting, and he also put the blame on the error for the president on an unnamed person and took all the pressure back off the president. i would say that he did the president very well today, kevin did. >> all right. mark and margaret, thank you two so much. they mentioned this hurricane. obviously, this white house keeping a close, close eye on this, in touch with the governors up and down the east
coast. just in, south carolina, now issuing mandatory evacuations for the state's entire coast, as hurricane florence becomes a category 4. we will take you there. also ahead, the woman accused of being a russian spy appears in court after prosecutors admit they got it wrong, that she offered sex for offer to republicans. hear what just happened. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. unmotivated? feeling like you can't keep up? maybe you're tired of the same old workout. then you need aaptiv. aaptiv offers incredibly motivating music-driven workouts led by the world's best trainers. you'll find classes for everything. from running, to strength training, to yoga. aaptiv - real trainers, real music, real workouts. try aaptiv free for 30 days. visit aaptiv.com to start your free trial.
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carolina. moments ago, south carolina governor henry k many master ordered mandatory evacuations of the state's entire coastline. cnn's martin savidge is live in carolina beach, north carolina, and martin, they're saying this could actually be the strongest hurricane to hit the carolinas in more than 20 years. >> reporter: yeah, the governor was very blunt, brooke, in talking about how people need to prepare and they need to do it now. he's saying that north carolina is readying for what they expect to be a very hard hit from this storm. all right, 200 members of the national guard have been called up. they're pre-placing all the heavy earth-moving equipment they'll need to get the streets and roadways back open, on top of that, the high water rescue vehicles have been brought in and you have the helicopters that will go into the neighborhoods and start pulling people out of the water. they do expect that flooding will be every bit as dangerous if not more so than the problems you'll have with the high winds of a potential category 4.
if there is any good news, it's that there is time. time for states to prepare to call up the national guard. time for communities to prepare to begin the local evacuations, and time for store owners to start doing things like this. i want you to meet somebody over here. hello, neil. this is neil royal, brooke, and he is the manager of king's beachwear here. and you've spent the better part of the day already boarding up. >> yeah, just trying to get ready. we don't know what's going to happen here. i mean, we've had serious weather on and off for the past couple of years. and never had an actual hurricane hit directly in this area. it's been a long time since we've actually seen one. >> reporter: how worried are you? >> i -- i really don't know. a lot of people are already starting to leave and they're coming and asking me, what are we going to do? what are we going to do? i also have apartments upstairs that nobody knows what's going to happen as far as, will the building hold up? and it's withstood the test of time through many other hurricanes in the past, but we don't know what's going to happen this time. >> people are truly worried. they're scared. >> they are. they are. it's like, it's almost
full-blown panic. most of the businesses, restaurants are closing up. this will probably be their last day. everyone's leaving town. >> all right. we wish you the best of luck, neil. thank you. if there's any bright spot, and it's a very small one, it is the fact that for most of these vacation places, last weekend was the end of the season for them. but now they're fearful that this storm could bring a lot of damage and certainly flooding here. brooke? >> thursday night, maybe into friday morning, we'll keep close tabs on it, as i know they are. martin savidge, thank you so much, to you and your crew in carolina beach. moments ago, a judge placing a gag order on the case against an accused russian spy with ties to the nra and republican insiders. why the judge reprimanded maria butina's lawyers and why prosecutors are walking back one of the accusations they made against her. plus, serena williams, calling out a double standard in sports after she was fined over an argument with an umpire. we will discuss how sexism may have played a role in the
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accused russian spy, maria butina was in court moments ago where a judge has ordered her to remain in jail until her trial, saying she remains a flight risk. that judge also playing a gag order on her criminal case. today's court appearance coming just days after the u.s. government acknowledged they
misunderstood some text messages and have now backtracked on their explosive claim that butina traded sex for political access. so let's go to cnn political correspondent, sara murray, who was inside that courtroom. and what happened in the hearing? >> reporter: well, brooke, as you pointed out, maria butina will be incarcerated, awaiting trial, and there is a gag order on this case now. the judge said that her lawyer, robert driscoll, essentially overstepped in all of the tv interviews that he's been doing and the public remarks about this case. the judge pointed out that d.c. has a relatively small jury pool and she basically said, look, this is a case i want decided hear in this court. it's not a case i want to see tried through the media. but as you pointed out, the prosecutors have made their own slip-ups in this case so far, and the judge did not let that go understanoticed. prosecutors acknowledged almost at midnight on friday that the basis for this claim they made, that butina was trying to trade sex for access, didn't really hold up. in fact, it was text messages
between her and her friend that appeared to be joking in nature. the judge said it took her all of five minutes of looking at those messages to tell it was a joke. she said she was concerned and dismayed that justice department officials may have used that as a serious basis for a very salacious claim. and she also warned prosecutors not to show up at the beginning of a case like this and start making those kinds of salacious claims. she said that, too, would make it very difficult for maria butina to get a fair trial here in d.c., brooke. >> sarah, thank you. some legal analysis now. cnn legal analyst and former prosecutor, jennifer rogers. jennifer, how do prosecutors -- listen, everyone make mistakes. but how do prosecutors screw this up in the sense that this was their big claim, she was a red sparrow trading sex nor information, and now the judge is like, it's obvious she was joking. >> you really need to be more careful than that. they have more evidence than that, obviously.
at the end of the day, it's not going to be put into the courtroom. and so, you know, hopefully, the jury pool won't have paid attention to it and so on, but it really is a big mistake. you have to be a lot more careful than that. and hopefully, from now on, they will be. >> how might that affect their entire case? >> well, as long as the jury pool isn't thinking along those lines, i don't know if there'll be a specific question when voir dire happens, if this matter actually ever goes to trial, you can see they might ask for that. on the other hand, if it's been a year or so since the arrest, they might not even want to touch it. so it may be that it just kind of falls by the wayside now. the judge is clearly on top of the prosecutors, they'll want to be very careful with their case and make sure that everything they say has a lot of proof behind it. but at the end of the day, it may not matter much at all. >> she also reported out that gag order on her lawyer, which is significant here, as well, in washington, d.c. jennifer, thank you very much for weighing in. next, this has everyone
talking. and for good reason. serena williams calling out sexism after she was penalized several times for her actions during the u.s. open over the weekend. i've got some thoughts. plus, the group representing the umpire has now reacted. stay with me. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?
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>> serena was watching her coach give her a hand signal. >> verbal abuse. >> oh, you can feel it all over, can't you? we have to talk about serena williams. and first, i do not want to take away from naomi osaka's win. she came to play and win, she did, deservedly. but what happened this weekend is bigger than tennis. this is about you and about me and about women at the workplace. tennis great, billie jean king, who championed gender equality when he was on the court acknowledged the what the male umpire did, was to quote her, an abuse of power. and we could go line by line on the coaching from the stands, the broken racquet, serena calling the umpire a thief. we could discuss sportsmanship in tennis. i can't pretend to know what it's like to be on the court when a u.s. open title is at stake, with millions of people watching. serena williams carrying the weight of women, black women,
young girls, on her shoulders. the point i wanted to make today is, men have behaved like this for years on the court. and they haven't been treated like this. just look at history. andre agassi spit at an umpire in 1990, no game penalty. in 2009, roger federer was only hit with a fine for his expletive-laced meltdown. and even andy roddick acknowledged, quote, i've regrettably said worse and i've never gotten a game penalty. here's the bigger picture, though. billie jean king is right, quote, women are taught to be perfect. we aren't perfect, of course! and so we shouldn't be held to that standard. we have a voice. we have emotions. when we react adversely to a heated professional situation far too often, we're labeled hysterical. that must stop. she's right. why is a woman called out as hysterical, but a man is praised as outspoken? >> it is a double standard.
speaking up. serena did it this weekend and she got penalized. but she says she spoke up for the next generation of female players. >> the fact that i have to go through this is just an example for the next person that has emotions and that want to express themselves. and they want to be a strong woman. and they're going to be allowed to do that, because of today. maybe it didn't work out for me, but it's going to work out for the next person. >> we must all use our voices. i am speaking to myself, as i say this. it is not always easy, but we must. and as a woman, i look at serena williams, who in the end, threw her arm around naomi, who had idolized for years, this tennis player, who was in tears herself and made this point. this was naomi's moment. it was time to stop booing. so let me just leave you with this. it's a quote i recent heard for the first time actually being spoken by supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg in the cnn film "rbg" and it's from a woman
you probably have never heard of, sarah grimky, one of the first female agents of the female anti-slavery society back in the 19th century. so let me just read her words as they ring true today. i ask for no favor for my sex. all i ask of my breath ren is that they take their feet off our necks. let's talk about all of this. renee stubbs is an espn tennis analyst. is she was there. she's also a u.s. open and wimbledon champion and four-time olympian. also with me, wivanessa dleluca. she penned a powerful opinion piece in today's "washington post." so ladies, a pleasure. i had to get that off my chest today. >> well done. >> to you first, you were there. the roof is closed, it is cacophonous, it is loud. >> yep. >> take us inside and what did you make of the moments? >> yeah, listen, i have to go back to the first warning. because, you know, you have to understand, when the men have said those things to the umpires, you have to understand when it's said, as well. so a warning comes, then the
point, then the game. it was a cumulative what happened to serena with the game, penalization. so the first one came with the coaching, it was very innocuous, what he did, and every single coach, coaches from the sidelines, and one coach that says he doesn't is a liar, that's for sure. and every player gets coached, no doubt. serena has never accused the coach to come on to the court when the wta allows coaches to come on to the court and give advice. she's one player that never uses it. i don't understand why an umpire would expect that he was going to be overly coaching her from the stands. so the first warning that came was the problem to begin with. and that made serena feel like there was an injustice right away. because she's someone who really believes that she's not somebody who cheats. >> it was an attack of her integrity. >> that's when you is a uh tsaw bubbling over and the breaking of the racket. that bubbled up to the tension of the final warning, which again for me was stepping over on top of what she should have
got. >> you talked about how you knew the second she walked over to that umpire, you were thinking, this is trouble. >> yeah, absolutely. because i knew that she had been disturbed by what she was being accused of. and then she -- then she was very clear, i don't cheat. i play to win. i would not cheat to lose. i would rather lose. someone who says that and someone who has 23 grand slam singles titles, who knows the tennis rules and regulations, obviously knows what that kind of violation would mean for her in the game. so i knew that it was going to be contentious. >> and you know her. listen, she's a tough -- she's a tough woman. she's probably, as we've all -- you know, dropped some four-letter words in our time, and you said she was really, you know, holding back, trying to be as gracious as she could with this umpire. >> there's no doubt. listen, i know serena really well, and she, with you know, from time to time has dropped a few f-bombs on the court, but she was doing her best to not do that. the things that came out of her mouth about being a liar and a cheat and, you know, stealing from her, essentially, a game in
the end, that really threw her for a loop. and she was trying her best at that momentum when she was having that argument to not swear, to not say things that were super derogatory, knowinging another warning which would have gave her a game penalty, which was huge, a set at 4-3. an umpire, it's his job to stay in the moment and understand the entireuati situation. and he should have known to give a game penalty. >> and the union is totally standing behind him. they say he had every right to do what he did, three times over. so they're saying that. but again -- >> of course they're going to. >> this is so much bigger, like i said, than tennis. she is a woman, she is a black woman. and you made this whole point, so eloquently in your piece that, welcome to being a black woman in america every single day. >> absolutely. the response i've been getting from everyday black women to speaking a about this particular thing of black women, who speak up for themselves being seen as ang angry, emotional, women in
general as being seen as incapable of controlling their emotions. it's just all a big fabrication. it's not right. it's not true. and it's -- i'm sure it was going through serena's mind as she was, as this whole thing was playing out. i have no doubt, when someone is, you know, really blaming you for defending your integrity, it's just something that, you know, as a human being, you don't want anyone to impugn, you know, your dignity that way. >> and even though she very likely could have been thinking that, how classy was she? arm around naomi osaka. and can we end with, naomi came and brought it. >> and she was the better player on the night. i think she would have closed that match out. we'll never know. she was able to close it out in the end by serving it out, because that in itself was incredible, with the ace out wide. but that moment was taken away from her. and it was really for us, all of us, the
at espn, we felt terrible. >> so many people over the last 24 hours. i just wanted to talk about it. thank you ladies so much. joining me in such an important moment to discuss as ladies. thank you. >> thank you. coming up next, a dallas police officer charged with manslaughter after opening fire on this unarmed man inside his own apartment and killing him. details on the strange circumstances in this case. hi i'm joan lunden. today's senior living communities have never been better, with amazing amenities like movie theaters, exercise rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros even pet care services. and there's never been an easier way to get great advice. a place for mom is a free service that pairs you with a local advisor to help you sort through your options and find a perfect place. a place for mom. you know your family we know senior living. together we'll make the right choice. sharper vision, without limits. days that go from sun up to sun down.
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charged with manslaughter on thursday's shooting death of 26-year-old botham jean. his mother is frustrated from the information she's getting from police. >> i'm not satisfied that we have all the answers. and the number one answer that i want is what happened. i have asked too many questions, and i've been told that there are no answers yet. >> cnn's ed lavandera is in dallas for us. what's the d.a. saying? >> the d.a. says now that this police officer has been charged with manslaughter, they are going to continue to turn over evidence and present the case to a grand jury here in dallas county. and she left open the possibility that some more serious criminal charges could be filed, perhaps this officer instead of facing manslaughter charges, perhaps facing murder charges. but all of that evidence will be
presented in the coming weeks to a grand jury. the family of botham jean have been very critical, and the attorneys very critical as to why this officer wasn't arrested in the immediate aftermath of the shooting thursday night into friday morning and wondering why it took so long, almost three days, for this officer to be arrested on this manslaughter charge. they believe that that is essentially giving this officer preferential treatment. on friday, dallas police had said that this was not going to be investigated as an officer-involved shooting, and that is -- and they turned over the case to the texas rangers, which is the state police force here, who essentially filed these criminal charges on sunday afternoon. but the question still remains here, brook, no one knows exactly what unfolded and what led to that shooting. >> ed lavandera, stay on it. thank you, sir, very much. coming up, more on the urgent situation along the east
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