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but be right as well as righteous and know the risks. free speech ain't always free. there may be consequences. you may go too far. you may be wrong, and then you pay. you may pay anyway, even if you're right. but the standard is right and wrong, not male or female. and to the extent that i get why people think serena got a raw deal as a woman, we know we have a lot further to go when it comes to equality. let's not hide behind some illusion that everything is equal and fair. but let's also not forget this. let's not forget where this happened -- in the billie jean king tennis center. we've gotten some things right. we've gotten some things right the right way in the name of progress, but we do have a long way to go. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts right now. >> very well said. no matter, i think, what you say, you have to be careful. listen, i'm not a woman, so i can't speak for it. this is my -- that's your opinion, right, and your
analysis, and my analysis, my monday morning quarterbacking. look, i grew up in a family i'm the only boy, and for a while without a dad when my father died. so i know that women are treated -- you know, aren't always treated equally. but i just know that you've got to, you know -- sometimes it sucks, but you have got to put that face on. it is a double standard. it's awful. it shouldn't happen. but you have to put that face on and then figure out a way to be more strategic because the criticism sometimes can take away from what you're saying just as it took away from osaka, naomi osaka, who we should be talking about right now. >> you know what? you know who did that right? serena. everybody wanted to ask her these questions. she says no more booing. i'm not going to answer the questions. she deserved it. and she did. she played amazing. she made history in her own right. first man or woman from japan to win a match like that. great for her.
and your mom is a great woman. >> thank you for being so nice to her. i know she -- >> she speaks the truth, don. >> no, she doesn't. not always. she said she watches us equally. mom, that better not be right. thank you for being nice to her, though. >> facts first. >> okay. i got to run, though. but i got to tell you something -- that's all right. i'll tell you later. it had to do with serena. we'll talk about that later. good to see you. we got a big storm. so we have to talk about that. here's our breaking news right now. hurricane florence, an extremely dangerous monster category 4 storm taking aim at the carolinas. more than 1 million people -- 1 million people -- ordered to evacuate. we're watching the path of the storm, and we'll be getting a brand-new update on the path and the severity of the hurricane. it's going to come during this show, so stay with us. you want to stay tuned for that. we're going to give you new updates on this. it's major. be careful, everyone. lots of warnings there. it comes as a storm of paranoia, by the way, is
battering the white house tonight, just hours away from the release of bob woodward's book. the publisher says it is printing 1 million copies to keep up with demand. in the wake of a twitter tirade by the president, it just seems to be making more people want to read this book. and apart from excerpts leaked last week, we don't even know what's in the book yet. but judging from the white house reaction, well, they're afraid things are about to get a whole lot worse. multiple sources telling cnn the feeling in the president's inner circle is that they're under assault from within from the woodward book and from the anonymous "new york times" resistance op-ed. and in the first press briefing in almost three weeks -- it's been a long time, seriously. so long that they literally had to dust off the podium. i kid you not. look at the video right there. they're dusting off the podium. the white house doubled down on the president's outrageous claim
that the justice department should investigate whoever wrote that "times" op-ed. >> is there anything about what was published by "the new york times" that would warrant an investigation by the department of justice? >> certainly if there's an individual, whether or not -- since we don't know who they are, if that individual is in meetings that where national security is being discussed or other important topics, and they are attempting to undermine the executive branch, that would certainly be problematic and something that the department of justice should look into. >> and in the midst of the witch hunt over "the new york times" op-ed, with the woodward book looming, the president's approval rating is plummeting, down to just 36% in our new cnn poll. the white house could choose to focus on some good news, okay? people always say, oh, you don't tell the good news about this administration.
i'm talking about, you know, the surrogates. okay. so let's give some facts. unemployment is down to 3.9%. the gdp is up to 4.2%. there's even growth in blue collar jobs, up 3% over the past year in industries including manufacturing, more growth than in service jobs. and americans are hearing that message. again, facts first. 69% in our exclusive new cnn poll say the economy is good today. so those are the facts. we're laying them out. good news for the economy. but even when the news is good, it seems that this white house, this president, well, just can't help but lie. i want you to take a look at the president's tweet this morning. falsely claiming that it's the first time in over 100 years that the gdp is higher than unemployment. okay? that is just not true. in fact, in the last 70 years, it has happened in at least 62 quarters, most recently in 2006. that's a fact as well.
and by the way, economists will tell you that's an apples and oranges comparison anyway. so why did the president lie in his tweet when the facts are so easy to see? okay. so here's the chairman of the council of economic advisers. >> from the initial fact to what the president said, i don't know the whole chain of command. but what is true is that it's the highest in ten years, and at some point somebody probably conveyed it to him, adding a zero to that, and they shouldn't have done that. >> a top economic adviser forced to admit that the president's claim about the jobless rate and the gdp is false, and saying this about the president's tweets. >> i think at a previous presser, i once said that i don't run the council of twitter advisers. >> president trump is lying, even about good news. you know if someone lies to you about good news, imagine what
they do about bad news. and americans are hearing that too. just 32% in our new cnn poll say they see the president as honest and trustworthy. the worst read in cnn polling. that's no surprise. just last week our friends at "the washington post" reported that president trump has made a stunning 4,713 false or misleading claims, on average of about eight per day. eight per day. that was just last week. since then we have heard the president double down on one of his favorite false claims, his insistence that he is building a border wall, one he now claims to have spent $3.2 billion building. >> we've started the wall. everybody wants the wall. we've spent $3.2 billion on the wall. we've got to get the rest of the funding. >> nope, not true. that's a lie. the wall has not been started.
congress has approved $1.6 billion to replace existing barriers and add some fencing in new areas, not to build a new wall. okay? and remember this? >> is your plan still to have mexico pay for the wall? >> yes, it will. one way or the other, mexico is going to pay for the wall. >> another lie. mexico's foreign minister tweeting they will never pay for a wall. it's all part of a pattern for a president who seems to think he can rewrite history with his lies. remember this whopper from the president? this is aboard air force one. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? then why did michael cohen make it if -- >> you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael is my attorney, and you'll have to ask michael.
>> do you know where he got the money to make that payment? >> no, i don't know. >> we know that's a lie. michael cohen, who was trump's attorney, said so in his guilty plea just last month. he said he made payments to buy the silence of stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. and he said he made those payments at the request of the candidate. this is donald trump. well, late friday night, cohen offered to tear up the nondisclosure agreement with stormy daniels, apparently in an attempt to spare the president from having to give a deposition in the case. and we know what the president's own attorneys think about letting him answer questions. in one of the early excerpts from his book, woodward reports that former trump attorney john dowd warned the president he could end up in a, quote, orange jumpsuit if he testifies before special counsel robert mueller. the white house today trying to call woodward a liar. >> a number of people have come
out and said that woodward never even reached out to corroborate statements that were attributed to them, which seems incredibly reckless for a book to make such outrageous claims, to not even take the time to get a $10 fact checker to call around and verify that some of these quotes happened. when no effort was made, it seems like a very careless and reckless way to write a book. >> we always tell you about credibility. we've been talking about when you don't tell the truth and when you just flat-out lie so much, how do you have any credibility? how can you believe that when it's the president himself who has lied thousands of times since he took the oath of office? let's discuss. i want to bring in now cnn global affairs analysts max boot and susan glasser, and also cnn politics editor at large chris cillizza. good evening to all of you. thank you so much. chris is there despite the big gizmo in front of him. he's there. trust me. so, max, good evening.
the false tweet from the president is, you know, still up, right? it's still up on his twitter feed. >> you got to be more specific, don. there's so many false tweets from the president. >> i'm talking about the one in 100 years. the mistake was admitted at the podium from one of his advisers, but why is there zero effort to correct the record 54.3 million followers he has. it just adds to the credibility problem. it's still up there. he didn't say, oh, i got that wrong, how the mistake was made. it's just up there. >> this is part of the pattern with trump. he never apologizes, and never corrects. he thinks that issuing apologies or corrections shows weakness, and so therefore he repeats lies time and again. i think this is part of the frustration you hear from administration officials in the woodward book and in "the new york times" op-ed when they're saying that he is crazy and stupid and can't be educated. part of it is he can't be
corrected because he gets these false impressions in his head, and they literally cannot be dislodged. >> so, chris, i gave some of the good economic news, the positive economic news, you know, in the open there. the economic story for the president, all right? so "the washington post" is reporting that under trump, the jobs boom has reached blue collar workers, which is important. and yet the president still can't get it right when he tweets out wrong information. >> yeah. a couple things. one, don, i really do -- people laugh at me when i say this. but i think if donald trump never left the white house and never tweeted, which obviously wouldn't happen, he'd be pretty popular in that traditionally good economic news, people feeling confident about the economy always almost translates into presidential popularity. i'm not sure presidents deserve as much credit as they get for it, but they usually do. the problem is he steps on his message over and over and over again, whether it's sort of personal grievances he's trying
to settle against jeff sessions or bob mueller, or it's this, which is so clearly a mistake. somebody said ten. he either heard 100, or it was 100 on a piece of paper, and he tweeted it. the inability to say, know what? honest mistake, i got it wrong, erodes out public trust. it just does. if you can't admit when you made an obvious mistake, what can you admit, right? this is honestly an easy one that he still -- and he never does. max is right. this is roy cohen playbook 101. never apologize, it shows weakness. again, it's not what we expect from the president, but it's what we get from this president. >> when someone lies to you in the good times. >> right, and about the easy stuff. >> yeah, that's easy. >> and about stuff that, again, you can easily see how ten would be turned into 100. i mean there's no maliciousness necessarily in this. >> yeah. >> and yet --
>> the weird thing is there are a lot of people who will believe it because he won't take it down. that's the reason i ask that question. you go and ask people about facts when you speak to some of the supporters, and they just don't know them. and that's really sad. susan, the white house is trying to win a credibility battle with bob woodward. but even now we're learning that the national park service edited inauguration photos to remove empty spaces after calls from president trump and sean spicer. i mean, really? this credibility deficit started on day one, but this is just outrageous. >> well, i think it's very interesting from purely the point of view of tactics, you have sarah sanders -- you showed the clip -- going out there, attacking bob woodward, saying it's fiction. saying they've denied, therefore it must not be true. i thought it was unintentionally revealing last week when sarah sanders said, well, i haven't read a lot of bob woodward books. bob woodward has given eight successive presidents the woodward treatment. you know, i can tell you from having worked with bob at "the
washington post," you know, he's one of the most methodical, least ideological, most thorough reporters i've ever seen in my life. in one of his interviews, he said, you know, i did nine interviews with one of these sources. there were 500 pages of transcripts with one of these sources. and he has tape recordings of these officials. and, you know, the white house hasn't even begun to make any kind of a specific rebuttal of any of the information there, and simply setting it up as a credibility contest, unfortunately what it does is it underscores those numbers in your poll. i was looking at that earlier. you're talking about two-thirds of the country who believes the president of the united states is not honest and credible. this is not a good thing for the united states. whatever your partisan point of view is, these are extraordinary numbers, and it seems to me that in a way actually by talking so much about the woodward book, the president is tweeting over and over again about it.
sarah sanders is talking over and over again about the credibility of bob woodward. they're simply reinforcing this very unpleasant fact, which is that the president of the united states right now doesn't have credibility with the american public. >> yeah. i know you wanted to jump in here, max, but i got to get to the break. we'll hear from you on the other side. i do have to say -- it comes out at midnight, right? i wonder if they're assigning chapters. you do chapter one through ten. you do 10 through 30 and what have you to get ahead of it for tomorrow. but when knows. when we come back, the white house using its first press conference since august 22nd, okay -- since august 22nd. it's september 10th right now -- to call for an investigation into the identity of an anonymous op-ed writer. but is this just another white house which hunt?
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the white house now calling on the justice department to investigate the anonymous writer of last week's explosive "new york times" op-ed. back with me now, max boot, susan glasser and chris cillizza. max, i know you want to jump in. let me just ask you this question in front of what you're going to say here. the president has great economic numbers. we see there's this conflict of what's going on. they so run of divisive culture issues like the nfl and kneeling, right? you have a new op-ed column about this on why president trump doesn't get protesting is an american -- as american as football. talk to me. >> sure. well, first i just want to briefly jump in on the point that susan was making about the bob woodward book, which one of the things that makes the trump defense all the more preposterous is they can't figure out if they're denouncing leaks or lies, right? because on the one hand they're saying everything is made up. on the other hand, they're
looking for the leakers. so it can't be both a leak and a lie. the way constantly when you see this kind of bad news coming out for the white house, they resort to the cultural issues including attacking the nfl players. as i wrote today, initially i was sort of sympathetic to the complaints that you heard from people in the military and veterans groups saying this was disrespectful to their service and all the people who had sacrificed for the flag to protest during the playing of the anthem. but, you know, as this has gone on for the last couple years, trump has just turned this into an issue of trying to stifle dissent and frankly trying to appeal to racist yahoos out there who are peeved that they're these rich african-american athletes that are doing very well. he keeps pounding on this and pounding on this even on this weekend there were only two nfl players that were protesting. this is not a mass movement, yet you see tweet after tweet from him. this is a cynical, calculated, and dishonorable strategy to try to divide the country and stem this loss of support he's feeling in all these polls. >> and a lot of people don't --
they don't even see that they're upset about what you said, which is, you know, that's -- that's a pretty insightful thing that you said, but people don't understand why they're upset by someone doing what is, as you said, is as american as apple pie, protesting. >> exactly. that's what this country is all about. this is a country founded on protests, like the boston tea party. >> let's move on, susan, because i want to talk about sarah sanders repeating the president's claim that the department of justice should look into the writer of that anonymous "new york times" op-ed. watch this. >> if that individual is in meetings where national security is being discussed or other important topics and they are attempting to undermine the executive branch, that would certainly be problematic and something that the department of justice should look into. >> so would that be a suggestion of misuse of classified information? i mean what realm would that fall into? >> once again, it's something that the department of justice should simply look into. that's for them to make that determination.
>> they're putting this on national security. nothing was classified. nothing that would even affect national security. is that what this is all about? >> well, no, it's not what it's all about. as you know, the national security element of the op-ed we're discussing policy issues and policy disagreements that the anonymous author seems to have with president trump, particularly on his handling of russia. that doesn't fall into the realm of classified information. i thought it was a notable effort on the part of the white house press corps to get sarah sanders to articulate by what legal standard the justice department would even look at this. as you know, you don't just send things over to the justice department and say, hey, guys, you know, can you come up with a law that might have been violated here? it just -- it's part of the general politicization of the legal system that you see coming both from the president and from sarah sanders at that white house podium again and again. remember, it was only last week before the anonymous op-ed came out that the president was tweeting, suggesting that his
justice department ought to reconsider apparently for political reasons charges against two republican members of congress. and so i think it fits very much in the idea that if it's something we don't like, it ought to be criminal even if we can't cite any law whatsoever that would be broken. now, that being said, in some ways i thought the news at the briefing today was sarah sanders acknowledging, despite the evident fury and, quote, unquote, volcanic anger of president trump about this op-ed, that in fact they are not talking about subjecting those around president trump to lie detector tests at this time. so in a way, that was admitting that they're basically backing off, you know. it underscores -- the whole controversy underscores the isolation and the potential well-founded paranoia of president trump. is there anyone around him he can trust? unlike other presidents, including by the way, richard
nixon, who had some of these same personality traits. president trump is really much more isolated in many ways than his predecessors. he did not come to office with a cadre of people who were there, who were effective or who were going to be effective in those jobs and were also true believers in a vision for the country that president trump brought. and i think we've seen that weakness from day one, that he just -- he is basically a man alone in many respects. >> yeah. i want to get back to this idea of the polygraph. who would administer it? does this particular administration really want to open themselves up to polygraphs? talk about reality tv. i would love to see that. but, chris, the vice president offered to take a lie detector test to prove that he didn't write this op-ed. here's what sarah sanders said, and then we'll get you. >> does he believe that lie detector tests should be issued as the vice president volunteered to do on sunday? >> no lie detectors are being used or talked about or looked at as a possibility.
frankly, the white house and the staff here are focused on doing our jobs. >> i mean, listen, she is shooting it down, but this is where we are where we have an administration where the vice president of the united states is offering himself up to take a polygraph. shouldn't the vice president be above that? if it's not him, just keep it pushing. keep moving. >> look, remember, mike pence's path to the presidency goes through donald trump and unstinting loyalty and love going both ways. i think this whole denial story is fascinating because you have to be careful you don't deny too much. the other thing i would say on that sarah sanders thing, nobody has told the president that the white house and the staff is moving on because he is quite clearly, on our reporting and his twitter feed -- he has not moved on from the op-ed. so i guess if you exclude the president from sarah sanders' idea of the white house, then that's true.
but we know the president of the united states is fixated, focused on, whatever you like, finding this. he has a short list of people. there's a reason all these cabinet folks are coming out and denying it, because they know he wants to find out who it is. >> i got to go quick. what do you want to say? >> all this stuff is not new in some sense. this is kind of the crazytown we've been inhabiting as john kelly said in the woodward book. what's new is you're seeing the public start to reject it. it's noticeable how the polls have slid from the low 40s to the mid-30s. his support among independents has collapsed within the last month, down 16 points to 31% approval, with fewer than 60 days before the midterms. so we've seen the craziness before, but what's striking is that the public, i think, is finally getting fed up with it. >> if you dig deeper, 45% say that the president is less honest than most other politicians in washington. 41% see him as more corrupt. those are not good numbers.
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this wi-fi is fast. i know! i know! i know! i know! when did brian move back in? brian's back? he doesn't get my room. he's only going to be here for like a week. like a month, tops. oh boy. wi-fi fast enough for the whole family is simple, easy, awesome. in many cultures, young men would stay with their families until their 40's. we're back now. president trump infamously responded to the deadly white supremacist violence in charlottesville by claiming there were, his words, fine people on both sides. he's still slamming african-american nfl players for protesting racial injustice in this country. and in an atmosphere where americans are at odds over race, my next guest says there's no better time to confront the truth about race.
joining me now is mitch landrieu, the former mayor of new orleans. he's also the author of "in the shadows of statues." thank you for joining us. >> great to see you. >> you know you're my homeboy. let me just say this. one of the first people who called me after my sister died was mitch landrieu. >> i'm sorry about that. >> thank you. thank you for caring about me and my family. we spent an hour on the phone. thank you so much. when you come, i start talking like this. >> i'm sorry. >> so let me ask you. >> i'm one of those dumb southerners the president talks about. we take offense at that. >> my mom is here visiting from port allen right now, so i understand. >> give her a hug for me. >> are you going to run? that's what she -- >> i'm not. >> you're not going to run at all. good. let's get that out of the way. you wanted to talk to me about serena. what did you want to say? >> it's crazy because i listened to christopher before. i have five sisters, two daughters. i have five kids. i coached them all.
i played college tennis. i mean watching that was a painful episode, not just for the tennis world but for the country. that was just an awful day, and there were no winners. naomi osaka is a great young new champion, and it was painful to watch her go through that joyful experience, especially if she was playing against her idol. it is true when you're coaching people, players have to follow the rules. and serena got out of the way in some instances. but at the end of the day, at least to me, it's pretty clear there's a differential in how the application of those rules was handled on that day. and it would be very rare for an umpire or a referee to insert themselves that aggressively at that point. you take a game away from a tennis player, it's really somewhat of a death sentence. i think that overall, writ large, we have some larger issues about gender equality and about the fair application of rules throughout sports and especially as it relates to serena and the context she was in there because of her pregnancy, what happened at the french open, what happened with the drug testing.
and she was in a moment. i think the referee could have handled it better. and it requires us to all go back to the drawing board and think more about it. >> i think you're right. you know, i didn't say it as articulately and eloquently as you said it. obviously i feel the same way, especially as a minority. all women in my family -- i'm the only boy. i feel the same way. i just know that sometimes for me, you know you have to conduct yourself in a way, right? but it's a very -- it's highly intense, very competitive sport. so, you know, it got the best of her. >> i think that's true, but maybe the greatest athlete of all time, high pressure environment, and just at the end of the day from where i sit, i think ramos could have handled it much better. i don't think there's any doubt -- you can roll the tape -- that there are men who have done things much more aggressively. i love john mcenroe. i tried to pattern myself after him. >> are you kidding me? that's mcenroe. >> when you call somebody a thief -- i mean they used expletives and any were not penalized.
i think they have to be fair and everyone has to go back to home base. >> i think we all agree on that. very well said. let's talk about this because you wrote a powerful piece for "usa today." racial reconciliation will help us live up to our nation's values. you say there's no better time in our nation's history to confront the truth about race as it means to bringing people together. for generations our diversity and multi-culturism has been seen as one of the nation's great strengths. you added this. there is nowhere in this country where we have fully reckoned with our past or the issues of race and identity. you say ignoring racism allows it to grow. >> i think that's absolutely true. i think when people who are concerned about this say, listen, we've dealt with it, you know. we had slavery. we had jim crow. we're past it. i think that's not true. i think there's a lot of pain about this in the country, and i quite frankly don't think we talk about it well with each other. i've said many times on the issue of race, you can't go around it. you really have to go through it, and you have to deal with people's pain, and you really
cannot get past it unless you actually acknowledge that it happened, acknowledge what was correct, and then talk about how to get to the other side. >> i think this is important. i want it play this for you. this is a clip from fox news, the host tucker carlson, his segment about diversity. >> right. >> last friday. watch this. >> how precisely is diversity a strength? can you think, for example, of other institutions such as, i don't know, marriage or military units in which the less people have in common, the more cohesive they are? do you get along better with your neighbors or your co-workers if you can't understand each other or share no common values? >> okay. so answer that question. >> i love tucker. he's a good guy. but he completely misunderstands what diversity is about. the more you know about different cultures, the more you know about different people, god created us all. he created us different for a reason, and the more you learn from each other and share with each other, the better we all are. that doesn't mean we can't have common purpose, common language, and we can't run in unison
towards a thing. but think of yourselves as a mosaic rather than black and white. then you get the picture what the great city of new orleans is, which is our great diversity and history. which makes it fun, creates a great soul and just makes everything better. tuck will be all right. he'll figure it out. >> who dat talking about -- i got to go, but my mom made some gumbo. i should have brought you some. >> tell your mom i love her. >> i screwed that one up. >> it's all right. >> can you just talk to me about the nfl kneeling, kaepernick? you know the mayor of kin ar. >> i saw that. in louisiana, and i think writ large, and i think max boot is right. if we think about where we came from as a country, we were born out of protest. we peeled ourselves away from a government because we thought they were being oppressive. the first amendment says if we're going to be a strong country, you have to be able to get along with people not that you love or who are like you,
but people are different and disagree with. and protest is an essential part of what we are. it's a patriotic thing to do. colin kaepernick says the reason he kneeled is because he was protesting criminal justice, not the military. and i think it's absolutely clear that we have a problem with the criminal justice system in the united states of america that we're working through. the laquan mcdonald trial is going on right now. i think the country is big enough to sustain people protesting its government and redressing your disagreements with the government. i may disagree with whether people should kneel or not, but i certainly agree they have a right to protest in the way that they want. i think we're big enough as a country to understand that's what real patriotism is like. right now we're being asked to buy fake nationalism. that's not who we are as a country. >> i've been saying that over and over. i may not even agree with you kneeling, but you're right to do it. i stand for the anthem. >> i would stand for the anthem, and i don't like when people don't. but i'm big enough to understand it's not encroaching on my freedom if he does that.
>> exactly. >> and we can honor clearly the men and women who give the ultimate sacrifice for our country that we all love. >> everywhere i go, people are saying, i like that guy. i like your homeboy. he better run. you better get out there. >> if you love me, you wouldn't ask me to do it. >> put the book up. "in the shadow of statues" from mitch landrieu. thank you very much. >> tell your mom i said hi. >> how are your mom and them? everything good? we'll be right back. cancer. it's very personal. at cancer treatment centers of america, we use diagnostic tools that help us better understand what drives each person's cancer. like christine bray. after battling ovarian cancer for several years, her test results revealed a drug therapy that targeted her tumor.
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security analyst james clapper. he's the former director of national intelligence. can you imagine that? >> well, what's kind of -- >> good evening by the way. >> thanks, don. what's surprising to me about this is like this is some grand new policy. >> mm-hmm. >> which is the policy that should have prevailed from the get-go. >> yeah. so now they're only getting around to reinforcing what has certainly i think been in a tradition in the white house, certainly was in the last administration, where everybody got rid of cell phones, whether official or not. and certainly before you walked into the white house sit room. >> listen, the administration has been hamstrung with countless leaks. we've had so many, director. it strikes me the problem here probably isn't with the phone policy. >> well, no, it's not -- i mean i think that's the least of
their worries from a leaking standpoint. it's a big deal from a security standpoint. but there's lots of other, as we've seen, lots of other ways for people to convey information outside the white house besides phones. >> yeah. the policy change comes in the wake of bob woodward's new book and "the new york times" -- this anonymous op-ed. kellyanne conway said earlier today that the white house is zeroing in on who that might be. watch this. >> the president just today said he believes it's somebody in national security. >> so who might that -- who does that sound like? >> that's a big population. they believe it's somebody in national security. well, duh. yeah, i guess so. if you read the context of the op-ed, it is obviously someone in the national security arena. well, that's a big population of people, not just the white house, state department, department of defense, department of homeland security,
department of justice, the intelligence community. so you're talking about a pretty big population. so if they think that they've zeroed in on it, well, good luck. >> i think the calls are coming from inside the house closer to him than -- >> well, probably so. but potentially you don't know, you know. >> so let's talk more about "fear." it's set to release tomorrow. bob woodward, here he is on what he wants to make sure people get from this book. here it is. >> some of the things trump did and does jeopardize the real national security. this country does some things in the intelligence world which are so important to protect the country. they are astonishing. they are secret. they are called special access programs, and he jeopardizes them. >> that's a pretty serious allegation. in your estimation, is it a fair one? >> well, it is a very serious allegation, and he has a good point.
you know, i've been interviewed for this book and a couple others that bob woodward's done, and i've found him to be a very serious, methodical questioner who checks his sources, seeks corroboration, and is very detail-oriented. you know, he's done about eight of them and gotten at least one pulitzer prize that i'm aware of. so i think although he's been accused occasionally of taking literary license, but i think overall you have to regard what he says as credible. >> yeah. director clapper, always appreciate your time. i went to my barber on friday, and i said, i wanted the clapper, and this is what he did to me. >> don, i want to comment on that. i mean i really -- i think your new 'do is great. as you know, grass doesn't grow on a busy street. but as my wife is quick to remind, it doesn't grow out of a concrete block either.
>> tell your wife i said thank you. >> she keeps me humble. >> always a pleasure. good to see you. when we come back, our new cnn poll shows president trump's approval rating lower than any president's at this point in his administration in more than 50 years. what it means for the midterms and beyond that. that's next.
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the president's approval rating -- president trump's approval rating, anna, has fallen six points overall in the last month. why do you think his approval is taking such a hit? what do you think happened? >> what hasn't happened in the last few weeks? i was away for three weeks out of the country. everything that was going on was crazy when i left. i came back and except for john mccain dying and being buried, everything is just as crazy, nothing has changed. i think americans are getting exhausted, drained and tired by what is this hamster wheel like administration and government. scandal after scandal, the lies. donald trump is like that pathological john lovets character on "saturday night live."
he can't help lying on a daily basis. the pettiness we saw towards john mccain during that funeral not lowering the flag to half staff, the chaos in the white house. i now lost track of how many white house officials and administration officials have called donald trump allegedly an idiot. it began way back with rex tillerson who called him an idiot. >> scott, cnn polls show the president's approval rating fell six points among republicans and fell 16 points among independents. he's lost support. what do you think is going on here? >> well, i'll tell you one thing that is not going on is people are not connecting the good vibes they are having on the economy with the president's job approval.
the economy remains the president's best issue. they are not connecting it to trump. i know i have been screaming this on your show and others for the last several months. they have to relentlessly focus on every day connecting him to the economy. failure to do that means you are never going to get the positive vibes spilling over into your politics that people are getting on the economy out there. this is where he is actually in better shape than obama was heading into the 2010 mid term. the economy was in bad shape. this is the one metric where trump is in better shape than the democrats were in 2010. >> with all due respect we are talking about the one metric. the other metrics are so bad. i give credit where credit is due in the economy. 6.7 million open jobs and 6.3 million job seekers. wages are up 2.9% from 2017. if you look at the models, the
models are no different from the obama economy. unemployment was better. jobs were better under president obama. >> i think americans can walk and chew gum at the same time. they can be happy about the economy, but decide that character matters, fitness to serve matters. one of the questions, some of the questions that are so concerning in this poll, he comes out as the american people think he is more corrupt than most politicians, less intelligent than most politicians, less honest than most politicians. you are not comparing him to a bunch of choir boys but to politicians. the approval rate of congress is 11%. you cannot get a lower bar than getting compared to other politicians. >> i'm really out of time here. in the 19 months since president trump took off the economy added 3.58 million jobs.
that is a monthly average of 188,600. in the last 19 months the economy added 3.96 million jobs as compared to 3.58, a monthly average of 2,800. that's why i say that about the economy. give credit where credit is due. it is reaching down to blue collar workers. the economy is on track to do what it has been doing for the last nine years. >> i was simply comparing this time heading into the mid term versus obama heading into the 2010 mid term. unemployment in september of 2010 was above nine percent. the president could be doing better if they could find a way to connect what is happening on the economy to his job approval. they better find it with 60 days to go otherwise republicans are in for a rough election night. we'll be right back.
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