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uglier than other ones. >> we are not going to gamble with the lives of the people of south carolina. >> he's naming off people thebls helped woodward write this book. >> where is trust within this administration? >> to not even verify some of these quotes seems -- >> i've never seen an instance when the president is so detached from reality. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> all right. good morning and welcome to your new day. we have important breaking news. just moments ago a hurricane hunter leaving the eyewall of hurricane florence told us everything you're hearing about the severity of this storm, it's all true. this storm is bad and it could get even stronger, a hurricane watch is now up from south carolina all the way up to the north carolina/virginia border. florence is a category 4 storm with winds of 140 miles per
hour. this is on track to be one of the strongest hurricanes to hit the eastern seaboard in decades. listen to this, florence could still intensify into a category 5 storm before it makes landfall. we are talking about thursday night into friday morning somewhere it looks like along the carolina coastline. we have a remarkable view of hurricane florence from space, the international space station got a shot of this as it was churning over the atlantic. >> our hurricane watcher said all of the elements are in place for it to ins tens phi. >> nothing is standing in its way. >> more than one million people are under mandatory evacuation orders in coastal areas of north carolina and south carolina and virginia. that includes the entire south carolina coastline as of noon today people there are supposed to be evacuating. in north carolina parts of six coastal counties and hatteras island are also being evacuated. these scenes will look familiar to you and they are now playing
out everywhere that the hurricane is expected to hit. you're seeing homes boarded up, long lines at gas stations, some people already running out of gas, store shelves, their barren. there is a hardware store, super markets. let's get right to cnn meteorologist chad myers who is tracking hurricane florence's latest track. what are you seeing? >> i'm seeing good news. i'm seeing the eyewall that we had overnight, that 140 mile per hour eyewall fall apart today. with err going to see i believe at 8:00 a reduction in that number from 140 to maybe 125, 130, but do not let that fool you. the storm is actually getting larger north to south and east to west. it just won't have that maximum wind speed in the middle which means more people will feel hurricane force winds when it does come on shore and we do expect that eye to get its act together again later today and become that almost category 5 storm at 150, 155 miles per
hour, takes 156 to get to be a cat 5. so here we go, hurricane watches have been posted for virginia beach all the way down to charleston. the storm took a slight turn to the right in the hurricane center forecast in the overnight hours and the surge has moved slightly farther up into morehead city with an impact here. this is the european model. we talk about it all the time, but the american model is slightly farther, maybe even 100 miles farther north trying to turn to the right with a glancing blow. eventually they both end up in the appalachia area with significant rainfall. we're going to see 20 to 30 inches of rainfall in some spots. so, yes, we will see rip tides today, we will see a little bit of thunder shower activity around but not yet from the hurricane. this is still days and days away. these are the days to prepare and to watch what's happening here, it's meteorologically spectacular to watch some of the pictures you showed from the
noaa 16 satellite you just showed. what amazing high res one minute -- every picture in that animation was one minute apart. >> chad, when will people on the coast start to feel the tropical storm force and hurricane force winds? >> i think you will get some outer bands wednesday night and then finally the hurricane force winds will show up noon on thursday and then probably landfall somewhere after dark on thursday. it depends, john, how far it turns to the north because it's a longer distance, or if it goes farther to the south it's shorter. your landfall here will be much earlier than your landfall up here by maybe as much as 12 hours. >> our noaa storm tracker who you watched his report said not to be fooled by the fluctuations, it goes from 140 as you're saying down to 130 or 125. >> yes. >> but he was saying that he saw all of the signs that it will ramp back up again maybe to 150. so the good news that you're telling us right now, is it possible the good news continues and it further falls apart or
are you just holding your breath for it to ramp up? >> what happens here it's called eyewall replacement cycle, we talked about rapid intensification yesterday, this is just a new term for us today. eyewall replacement cycle. the eyewall that had that 140 is no longer circular, it's broken up, it's just not a big ring anymore. there's an outer eyewall that's trying to form and it will ruin, blow up that inner eyewall itself and that's what's happening now. that ice skater analogy where you bring your arms in and skate real fast around in a circle, you put your arms out and go slowly. the eyewall that's farther away now, maybe 25 miles away from the center is going more slowly because the arms are out compared to the eyewall we had yesterday where the arms were in. not a less dangerous storm, just right now smaller, higher -- the 140 will be gone, but that doesn't mean 75 all the way out for hundreds of miles won't still be there. the storm is not dying, it's just going to reintensify later today. >> very helpful, chad.
thank you. we'll check back with you of course. joining us now is the fema administrator brock long. mr. long, thanks so much for being here with us. i know you've been monitoring obviously all of the latest reports. so what's causing you the biggest concern at this hour? >> well, right now i just hope that people are heeding the warnings that were placed by south carolina, north carolina and eventually virginia today in regards to evacuation. the president quickly approved the emergency declarations yesterday, last night, for -- to help us basically support the life safety evacuation movement as well as the life safety sheltering and mass care effort that's going to also result today and tomorrow as a result of those evacuations. >> correct me if i'm wrong but what we've heard is that there are mandatory evacuations for the coastline of south carolina that will go into effect at noon, but there is not a mandatory evacuation for wilmington, north carolina, which is where it's predicted to make landfall. is it time for them to eve gate?
>> well, the authority to issue evacuation lies with the local jurisdiction or with the governor directly. if i remember correctly the governor of south carolina is the only one with the authority to issue mandatory evacuations, if i remember correctly, north carolina local -- local jurisdictions are allowed to issue varying degrees of evacuation, but the bottom line is, you know, i'm asking people to heed all the warnings that are put forward. i mean, the problem with the storm is it's going to make landfall as a category 4 or possibly a 5 storm. with he always plan one category higher than what's anticipated and the main primary driver of the evacuations is coastal storm surge, flood inundation, wind driven water coming up on shore. in some cases you will see upwards of 12 feet along the carolina coast, the ocean rising 12 feet, that doesn't include the wave action on top of it. and then once the system makes landfall, here, again, storm surge has the highest potential to kill the most amount of people, it also has the highest potential to cause the most destruction.
with this storm it's forecast to fall over -- you know, in four to five days, dropping copious amounts of rainfall across the carolinas and into virginia. so this is not just going to be a coastal threat, it's going to be a state-wide threat for the states involved and fema is actively pre-position thing not only from south carolina to virginia, but upwards to delaware. >> i mean, look, i'm not -- i'm not -- you know, i know this is politically complicated and i'm not asking you to big foot the mayor of wilmington, but from everything you're seeing and everything you're saying doesn't it sounds like the people of wilmington need to start evacuating? >> i'm sorry, what was the -- >> the people of wilmington need to start evacuating. >> yes, please, heed the warnings. absolutely. >> right. but i'm saying there isn't a mandatory evacuation for them yet. >> that's a question for the mayor and for new hanover county. >> but from what you're seeing you think that they should start packing up? >> i believe that people should be evacuating the coast of north carolina for the category 4
storm, particularly get out of the areas that are vulnerable to coastal storm surge inundation and get into a facility that can withstand the winds, why he. >> understood. you will be briefing president trump this morning, what are you going to tell him? >> i spoke to him yesterday and will update him again this afternoon as well. secretary nielsen and i will be updating him later this afternoon. bottom line is how we're pre-positioned, if there's any -- any issues that we need to help our state partners overcome. proper disaster response is one that's locally executed, state managed and federal supported. what we do and i've spoken to all three governs from south carolina to virginia as well yesterday to make sure we understand their response and recovery goals and how best to support the efforts that are under way. >> pre-position thing obviously we've learned is so vital. i don't have to tell you how bad last year was in terms of hurricanes, harvey in houston, irma in the florida keys and of course we had the particularly deadly maria in puerto rico. so what did you learn from what went wrong with maria to -- that
you will apply this week? >> proper emergency response and recovery takes the whole community and emergency management is like a chair with four legs, i have said this many times. the four legs represent, first, one leg is the federal government, the second leg is state and local governments, the third leg is going to be the private sector nongovernmental organizations and the fourth sector is the citizen. if all four legs of that chair are present going into the response and recovery then the disaster goes really well, like we saw in harvey and irma. when any one of those legs is missing, the disaster doesn't go nearly as well as we would like it to and that's what we saw in maria. what we're having to do is make sure that, one, we're getting ready to pump 50 -- you know, possibly $50 billion of fema tax paying dollars into puerto rico. so never before has there been a better opportunity for puerto rico and the commonwealth to become more disaster resilient and economically viable. what we have to do is concentrate on pre disaster mitigation when we rebuild the
infrastructure going in. that's what we're working on right there as well as building a commonwealth and a municipal capability and emergency management that did not exist before the storm. >> understood. but when you say that those four legs all have to operate well, do you think that the federal government did all it could in maria? i'm asking because we haven't gotten to you since the death toll went up. as you know it's 46 times what the government said originally. there were 2,975 people killed in puerto rico as a result of maria and so is there anything that fema and the federal government could have done better? >> that's a great question. you know, look, we threw as much as we could towards puerto rico as possible within fema. if you look at the numbers like not only the response dollars that went in, the amount of staff that was put into puerto rico from this agency and across the federal government was higher than any other of the disasters we've worked last year. you know, we've put close to 24, $25 billion into harvey, irma and maria and puerto rico has received half of that funding.
in regards to the deaths, look, i work every day, one death is a death too many, with he work every day, fema works every day to try to prevent deaths. the bottom line is there's a difference between direct deaths of the wind, water, collapsed buildings, things that kill people directly versus the indirect deaths. indirect deaths are always higher after the direct deaths in many events. you see car wrecks because the stoplights are out, people falling off their roofs trying to fix them, chain saw accidents, spousal abuse goes through the roof. there is a lot of things that come after disasters occur in the long-term. we have to concentrate on the pre disaster mitigation, fix the infrastructure that was crumbling before the storms in the commonwealth so we prevent this from ever happening again. fema doesn't control the infrastructure and how well or how it's not maintained in this case. if you remember, i had to ask for special authorities in the third supplemental to be able to fix deferred maintenance,
infrastructure that was allowed to decay. that's the first time that fema has ever had to do that in history as i'm aware so we take that forward. now fema is one of the largest employers in puerto rico. we've hired over 1,800 puerto ricans to become part of that emergency management arm to make sure that we build a strong backbone for the commonwealth and emergency management and at the local level. so we've got -- there's a lot of work that needed to do to put that whole community response into place and that's what we're concentrated on. >> i understand. i mean, i just think that for the 2,975 families they don't make that distinction between whether someone was killed by wind or whether a week later they died because they couldn't get their medicine, to them a death is a death. >> fair enough. >> brock long, we wish you the best today, we will be watching. thank you very much for taking time out of your busy schedule to update us. >> thank you. >> coming up in our next hour we will get a new advisory from the it national hurricane center and speak to its director ken
graham. turning now to politics, the white house, sarah sanders, is sending the same message as the president calling for the justice department to look into who wrote the anonymous op-ed in the "new york times" claiming there is an internal resistance to the president. listen to this. >> if that individual is in meetings that were national security is being discussed or other important topics and they are attempting to undermine the executive branch that would certainly be problematic and something that the department of justice should look into. >> all right. mean while a new cnn poll shows the president's approval rating falling to 36%. that is down six points in just the past month. the biggest drop is among independents where his approval has dropped 16 points since august, falling to an all time low of 31%. joining us now are cnn political analysts, david gregory and april ryan. april is the author of "under fire: reporting from the front lines of the trump white house." great to see both of you. david gregory, i will start with
you. what do you make of these approval numbers that have dropped so precipitously in the past month? >> look, there has been a battering ram on president trump, much of it of his own making. i think that you look at the number among independents, at some point even those who might have voted for president trump look up and say, this is a guy who has got a problem being a leader. i mean, i alone can fix what's happening in america, that's what he said at his convention, and now as a leader that's being undermined by his own leadership style and those around him who are beginning to campaign about how he does the job. it gets to a question of incompetence, what you're able to -- you're able to do, and i think there's some erosion of support. all of that, so much of that personal in nature in the way he governs as distinct from all of the wind that's at his back because of the economy, because of the performance of the stock market, because of him delivering on areas like trade that he campaigned on,
delivering even though there's a lot of people that don't like it, he certainly is making good on areas where he has said, you know, he would make good, but this leadership style, these problems, this kind of controversy surrounding him is beginning to undermine how people view him. >> and it has hit significantly across the board in just the last month. you've seen a drop in all these key personal attributes and we can show you, you know, can bring needed change down five points since march, cares about people like you down six points since march, honest and trustworthy down, proud to have this president down six points, will unite the country down five points. across the board, april, he has taken a hit. harry eaten our numbers guy rain man suggested maybe it was the passing of john mccain which put things into perspective for voters, maybe it was that, maybe it was the op-ed, maybe bob woodward's book, maybe michael cohen getting indicted, i could go on like this for a little
while, maybe this, ma i believe that, but there's been a lot. >> yeah, it's a perfect storm. it's the exposure of the dysfunction and distraction and everyone coming in together, be it michael cohen, be it the exposure of things by the late john mccain and his death, and also this op-ed piece, about woodward's book that's out today, omarosa's book with her tapes and videos, what of you, and even my book that talks about how they deal with the press. all of this fact is coming to bear on this president and, you know, the crazy thing about it is today on this day of all days the 17th anniversary of september the 11th, the day of this major storm, this is when you see who a president really is and what we've gotten in the last few weeks and months is that this is a president filled with distraction and dysfunction. when you talk about the economy, you know, left to his own devices that would even go down because right now it's okay, but think about this, the issue of tariffs, you had his base,
farmers, very upset about that. think about this, he threatened to shut down the government over a wall. those are paychecks to federal workers and contractors who depend on the federal government. then you also have -- >> but, april, i'm sorry -- sorry, i just want to interrupt you because what he would say is obviously but manufacturing is up and construction jobs are up and optimism about the economy is up. he feels that he's unsung here and that all of these things have happened since he became president. obviously the economy was ticking back up. >> yeah. >> remarkably under president obama. but president trump says that it's folks like us when we have these conversations that don't give him credit where credit is due for making coal miners and manufacturing feel better. >> once again, once again, manufacturing could be impacted by trade. then also and let's go to the immigration issue. when you have a president talking about stopping immigration, you could impact negative -- negatively impact the american economy because
many of these immigrants, and it's been proven by economists, that if these immigrants aren't taking these lower paying jobs who is going to do it? and a lot of people will not in this country and it's going to cause an economic shift. left to his own devices the economy could change. so right now we're seeing all the other points go down, but the economy is something that's still teetering. >> it's not teetering. people who you ask in this poll -- >> will be. if it's left to had president's own devices. >> maybe, but right now let me tell you what the number is, april. >> i hear you. i hear you. >> okay. 69% of people in this poll rate the economy as good. that, david gregory, that's a good number. what's interesting, though, i will say is the disconnect between that number and the approval rating, but the economy number is very good. >> i think -- >> right now. >> -- he's being battered in different directions that's impacting his approval rating. i think, you know, the way people view him personally, even supporters of him, gives a lot
of people concern at the very least, but they look at the direction of the country with regard to the economy and i disagree with april, i think that people are seeing tangible benefits from the economy. she's right of course that the prospect of trade and ongoing trade wars makes a lot of businesses worried and more cautious, but they still have spending, there is a lot of tax money that's coming back their way. with he see from the last jobs numbers that wages are actually going up as well as the overall economy. the president is taking on the trade imbalances and those who he says are taking advantage of america. there is a lot of people who hear that and say, yeah, right on. especially because that is what he campaigned on. he is also making huge strides for conservatives who want to see a more conservative supreme court. that's happening. neil gorsuch is on the court and brett kavanaugh for all of the drama on capitol hill is also cruising to nomination. those things matter and those
are real deliverables for the president. >> we have to leave it there. >> but that's not the economy. that's not the economy. and the economy once again it's coasting, he's coasting -- >> no, it's going up. it's more than coasting. it's going up. >> but at the same time left to his own devices if this president were to shut down the federal government, the tariff issue, the trade issue -- >> those things will certainly have an impact. agreed. >> right. exactly. >> okay. but today in terms of what people are being polled on they're feeling very good about the economy. okay. we'll leave it there. i'm going to have the last word. april, thank you very much. david gregory, thank you. president trump's national security adviser wants to see more action from north korea when it comes to denuclearization. so why is the white house talking about another summit with kim jong-un? we will discuss next. making my dreams a reality
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states waiting for north korea to take firm steps toward denuclearization, but a new letter from kim jong-un to president trump has the white house talking about a potential second summit between the two leaders. >> the recent parade in north korea for once was not about their nuclear arsenal, the president has achieved tremendous success with his policies so far and this letter was further evidence of progress in that relationship. a number of things that have taken place, the remains have come back, the hostages have returned, there has been no testing of missiles or nuclear material and of course the historic summit between the two leaders. this letter is just further indication of the progress that we hope to continue to make. >> that's sarah sanders. joining us now is the former director of national intelligence james clapper, a cnn national security analyst who spent a big chunk of his career dealing with the issue of north korea. director, if we can take this in steps, what does it tell you
that kim jong-un wants a second meeting? >> well, if he does, not knowing the content of the letter, this could be an opportunity for somewhat of a do over from the first summit. i think it would be a great opportunity to do what wasn't done the first time, which first i think it would be very useful to ask kim jong-un straightaway what is it that north korea and he would require so they don't need to have nuclear weapons to feel secure, and secondly, to try to have some agreement on what denuclearization means. i say that because in the north korean mind i believe denuclearization also applies on the peninsula, would also apply to the u.s. and just to take a moment, john, i might also suggest a very contrarian view, unconventional, would be as sarah sanders outlined of late, north koreans
have exhibited pretty responsible behavioral. no missile test, no underground nuclear tests, they returned the remains, hostages were returned, et cetera. of course, north koreans now obviously are expecting something from us res pro clee other than just more coercion. we might give some consideration, though, because they are behaving responsibly, is perhaps to accept the fact they are part of the nuclear club. i think many who watched this -- this whole nuclear weapons business would just as soon that india and pakistan, for example, not have nuclear weapons, but the hard fact is they do and they have behaved responsibly with them. perhaps we just need to recognize that with north korea. i think it's going to be very, very difficult and take a long, long time before they will denuclearize. >> i think that's an important point that you're making if you're right, you're suggesting that perhaps the reason they didn't put their long range missiles in this parade, the reason they haven't done any
nuclear tests is because they have them and they're going to keep them. not assi sign that they're itch to get rid of them. >> exactly. i think the reason that north korea is behaving temperately of late has more to do with -- at least it's my belief -- the fact that they achieved whatever it is they think they needed for nuclear deet rents, not so much because of anything that this administration has done or said. so for the first time ever in a nuclear dialogue with the united states the north koreans don't show up as supple kants. >> are there signs that north korea has taken concrete steps to denuclearize in a way that would meet the u.s. definition? >> to my knowledge, no. in fact, the commercial imagery that's available would indicate just the opposite. >> what message would it send, then, director, if the president -- we don't know if he will agree to it or not, john
bolton doesn't seem as eager to do it as air ra sanders was indicating but what message would it send to kim jong-un if president trump did agree to a second meeting without concrete signs of denuclearization? >> well, i think it's much like the first summit. the president had tremendous leverage with that summit just by agreeing to meet with the north koreans, which is something they have sought, lusted for for decades. i don't think he took advantage of that -- of the leverage that was accrued to him and i think it will sort of continue that if he agrees to have another summit in the absence of any concrete steps on the part of the north koreans towards denuclearization. that's why maybe a new tack here might be -- might be appropriate. to sustain the apparent responsible behavior by the north koreans. >> if i can change the subject for a moment, there is a new cnn
poll out just over the last 24 hours where people were asked if the author of this op-ed inside "the new york times," this author who claims that he or she is part of a group of people inside the white house essentially protecting the country from the president, those are the words that this author uses, in the cnn poll we asked should the op-ed writer identify themselves, some 58% of those polled said yes. would you count yourself among the 58%? >> well, i think it probably would have had more impact depending on the positioning and stature of whoever wrote this had he or she identified him- or herself, but i wonder whether poll numbers are motivated more by curiosity than a belief in the importance of self-identifying. >> do you think the curiosity justifies the release of that identity or do you think there is a legitimate reason to want to know? >> well, i think that is a mixed
bag. i can't gauge -- i can't really assess the poll numbers, but i will say that, again, depending on the position and the stature of this person, wherever they are in the administration, it probably would have had more impact had the identity been revealed and of course i think that would be quickly followed by resignation. >> or firing. 55% of the same polls say it's inappropriate for administration officials to work against the president's agenda. do you also agree with that? >> i do. but the counter argument to that at least in the minds of some is people feel reassured that there are people in the government that are trying to temper, you know, the president's impulse ichbs. >> director james clapper, always a pleasure to speak to you. thanks so much for your time. >> thanks, john. john, the economy is booming, more blue collar
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before it makes landfall. more than one million people in the carolinas and virginia are under mandatory evacuation orders. kaylee hartung live in carolina beach, north carolina, which is one of those mandatory evacuation areas. what are you seeing? >> reporter: by 8:00 tomorrow night authorities want carolina beach, the cities surrounding wilmington to be emptied out. local officials say if you stay it's at your own risk. we have talked to folks who say they want to ride out this storm. where i'm standing right now we are elevated on the boardwalk, the sand birms behind me 12 feet tall. we are talking about life-threatening storm surge expected in this area, 15 to 20 feet that means where i'm standing will be under water when this storm makes landfall. this beautiful weather i'm standing in right now is so deceiving when you think about what's to come, especially when you look out on the open water,
it looks to flat and calm, but i'm told by the flfrs their local wilmington office that when this storm is at its worst waving will be crashing 45 feet tall. it gives you a sense of the storm surge could be expected here. more than a million people under evacuation orders like here these barrier islands of north carolina, six counties in this state being asked to evacuate. eight in south carolina, that entire coastline as well as those low lying coastal areas in virginia. this is just the beginning of those orders. we expect to see more of them in the coming days. >> thank you very much. we're keeping an eye on all of this. we will check back with you. now we need to talk about the economy, it is roaring, 4% growth in this past quarter. a new cnn poll gives president trump strong approval ratings on this subject. 69% of americans describe the economy as good. president trump is claiming credit for the surge of new jobs and business activity. is that accurate? let's bring in "washington post" opinion columnist and cnn political commentator catherine rampell and former trump
economic adviser stephen moore. great to see both of you. >> hi, alisyn. >> growth in the blue collar sector is at the fastest rate since 1964, a hiring boom has been seen in small towns. 3.3% growth in mining and construction, manufacturing, all of this on president trump's watch. shouldn't he deserve credit? >> look, the economy has been growing and that's a good thing, but to say that trump turned around the economy is a little bit like saying tim cook turned around apple. dump basically inherited a growing economy, finally recovering from the worst financial crisis since the great depression and he has ridden existing trends to new highs. basically if you look at job growth, it's about the same pace it was during obama's tenure, unemployment has been falling in a straight line for the last eight years, it looks like this, same thing for african-american
unemployment. so these trends basically look pretty much the same. what's bizarre is that normally i say that presidents get too much credit when the economy is good and too much blame when the economy is bad, but trump is getting credit and obama is getting blamed for what is essentially the same economy. >> okay. that's fair. let's look at the numbers. okay. so let's look at the raw data here. steve, i think this will be helpful. this is from the bureau of labor statistics. here is the averages from 2013 through 2018. you can see that they fluctuate, but generally it was the highest in 2014 and 2015, this is monthly jobs created and now the average is 207, so it's down from -- a little bit from when president obama was in office. the average during obama's years 215,000, thus far the average during trump 192,000. so, listen, he's riding
president obama's coat tails, that's okay, right? he's still the president, we still have a good economy, he's riding president obama's coat tails. why does president trump feel the need to take complete supreme credit for all of this? >> well, alisyn, it's almost like saying, you know, that the kingston trio laid the groundwork for the beatles. look, the economy wasn't nearly as strong as catherine is saying. >> you see the job numbers, you can't argue with those. >> no, no. look, let's look at the growth rate at the economy, alisyn, how well the economy was doing in terms of production of goods and services. so over the entire obama presidency the economic growth rate was 2%. that was -- everyone agrees that was the weakest recovery from a rescission since the great depression. we had had nine previous recessions, obama's recovery was the worst, every economist agrees on that.
second of all obama's last year in office, alisyn, the economy grew by 1.6%, which is a pathetic rate of growth. a lot of economists thought we were headed back to another recession. >> that's not true. that's not true. >> wait a minute. it absolutely is true. a lot of -- >> name an economist. name an economist. >> now, wait a minute. and this is absolutely the most important point. it was catherine's newspaper who editorialized two weeks before the election that if president obama was elected he would crash the economy. he hasn't crashed the economy. according to the latest number you mentioned 4% growth which was a great number we had in the second quarter, the latest forecast for the third quarter, alisyn, 4.5%. the economy is picking up big time. finally on wages -- >> none of this is correct. none of this is correct. >> okay. hold on. let catherine respond to you. hold on. let her respond to your first two points. >> go. >> first of all, we had one quarter of 4% growth, we had four quarters above 4% growth under obama. >> that was in eight years.
>> one quarter does not make a trend. you call yourself an economist, you know that. >> catherine -- >> second of all -- >> catherine -- >> hold on. >> second -- second of all -- >> she's responding to your point. >> please let me continue. >> go. >> second of all, look, every independent credible outside drafter from the congressional budget office to the imf to the federal reserve to the penn wharton budget model all of them forecast that we will get a temporary sugar high, a temporary fiscal stimulus resulting from the tax cuts and spending increase this year adding about $2 trillion to the debt during one of the longest expansions on record, by the way, a temporary stimulus. this year and possibly next year and then we will recert to our longer term trend of like 1.8% depending on who you ask. this is a temporary effect. >> i think that we all agree that at the moment the economy is doing well. steve, i want to ask you, though, about what catherine is talking about in terms of the price that we may be paying.
here are the numbers on the deficit. okay. so there's no flree lunch. $895 billion for the first 11 months of fiscal year -- of this fiscal year 2018, it's $222 billion more than the shortfall recorded just last year. so, steve, you're cool with racking up big deficits now? >> i always believed and i think donald trump believes this, too, that the single most important thing for donald trump to do when he was president is get the economy moving again and get people back into jobs and higher paying jobs. i mean, every poll that was taken for the last six years shows that what people were concerned about was jobs and the economy. >> understood. so if the deficit goes up that's just the price of doing business? >> let me say this. the point is every time you get one percentage point increase in growth and our growth rate has gone from 1.6 to 4%. >> for one quarter. >> catherine, the latest forecast for the third
quarter -- >> not the forecast i'm seeing. >> -- is 4.5%. >> i don't know what you're referring to. >> just so we have our sources. steve, what's your source? what's your source? steve, what's your source for that one? steve, what's your source? >> when the economy grows and you get more people working and you get more businesses and you get more profits, guess what, you get more tax revenue. >> i get that part. what's your source? hold on. guys. what's your source for the 4.5 since catherine doesn't know that. >> the atlanta if he had reserve -- >> if you look at their forecast the last few quarters they have always revised them downward. you always cite this when i'm on with you. >> we're well over 4%. >> guys, we have to leave it there. guys, i'm sorry, we have to leave it there. you both made your points and you always bring a spirited debate to "new day." thank you very much for your perspective. >> thank you, alisyn. fear is here and i'm not
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northeast georgia squared off in a tight republican primary that would decide who would hold the office. state representative dan lost in a squeaker. >> i lost by 67 votes. >> remember that number, 67 votes. he congratulated his opponent and thought it was all over until the next day when his wife came home from her teaching job. >> she said, dan, my colleague came in and said she was going to vote for you last night and your name was not in herbal lot. >> his name wasn't on herbal lot? how could his supporters vote for him? turns out it wasn't just one voter. he broke out maps and found for each one of these dots, voters were assigned to the wrong district. >> your district is district 28. >> that's correct. >> and these people were voting for district 10. >> 10, that's right. i realized then we had a serious
problem. i don't know how it happens. but it did. >> how many votes were affected? it is now up to 70, more than the number he lost by. meaning, the wrong person may have won the election. he is suing. >> this election shouldn't really stand. >> right. >> the county sent out a news release conceding that errors were made and gave the voters their assurance that their right to vote is not being compromised. is secretary of state's office has now opened an investigation. the county called for a new election. it is up for a judge to decide. >> the secretary of state's office runs the elections in this state. i would think the secretary of state's office and perhaps the secretary of state would be just jumping at the bit trying to rectify the situation. you have an election that was
wrong. >> that's a valid question. i wish i knew the answer to that question. i would district that to the attorney general's office or the secretary of state's office. >> the top election official in georgia is secretary of state brian kemp. he's running for governor. and his office is distancing itself from the mess. properly districting voters is a county responsibility, kemp's office told us, reiterating the claim that georgia's election systems remain secure. but the botched georgia primary is just one in a series of problems challenging voter confidence in the state. last month cnn reported a massive security breach that exposed the records of millions of georgia records for six months. a lawsuit is challenging the potential security of georgia's all electronic voting system. it details case of case of voters allegedly assigned to the
wrong presents. >> there are some serious problems that need to be fixed. >> he just wants a new election, a fair one. >> there is no democrat in this race. it was just two republicans who ran in this botched primary for that seat. if a judge decides that there should be a new election, the rematch of those two new republicans could take place in the general election this november. that ruling could come any day now. cnn atlanta. >> thanks, drew, for that. the national hurricane center just updated its forecast for hurricane florence. breaking news starts now. >> florence is getting stronger and stronger by the minute and turning into a beast of a storm. >> mandatory evacuation of all people in all evacuation zones. >> i'm a little nervous. i hope the water doesn't come up
on the second floor. >> if you are not taking this storm seriously, you are making a mistake. >> the president is in panic mode. he's far too worried about a book. >> a number of people came out and said that woodward never reached out. >> president trump is publically blasting a lot of the quotes as fiction and fake news. >> we better wake up. this is not partisan. >> this is new day with alisyn camerota and john john berman. >> it is tuesday, september 11th, 8:00 in the east. there is a hurricane watch that stretches from south carolina to the north virginia border. this is a category four storm. at this hour, it is packing winds of 130 miles an hour. but it is on track to be one of the strongest hurricanes to hit the eastern sea board in