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♪ >> announcer: this is "new day weekend" with victor blackwell and christi paul. >> we know the time and date that brett kavanaugh's accuser will speak to the senate judiciary committee. >> we don't know if it's public or private or who will speak first. here is cnn supreme court reporter. >> reporter: its looks like brett kavanaugh and his accuser
christine blasey ford will face the committee. while ford alleges that kavanaugh assaulted her at a party some 30 years ago he cat categorically deny the allegations but still more details to be worked out between lawyers for ford and the judiciary committee before the hearing is final. they plan to talk later on sunday to hammer out remaining issues. lawyers for ford believe that republicans senators should question ford, some in the gop want to hire an outside counsel, maybe a woman to do the questioning. ford thinks other witnesses should be called. for instance they want to call mark judge who ford has said was in the room where the alleged assault has happened. judge says he has no memory of the party but chuck grassry says only two witnesses, ford and kavanaugh. as the negotiations
continue, republican staffers are working to interview those who may have some information about the alleged incident. >> democrats such as senator fe dianne feinstein tweeting this. from the white house report, sarah westwood is live in berkeley heights, new jersey, for us near the president's golf club. what are we hearing from the white house this morning? >> reporter: the white house is seizing on a statement from now a fourth attendee at the party that christine blasey ford describes where the alleged attack took place and that fourth witness said she has no memory of that party. one week ago, dr. christine blasey ford claimed she was assaulted at a house party attended by four the other. all four have provided
statements denying any knowledge of the incident or even having a attended such a party. now lawyers for blasey ford came back with a response of their own arguing it's no surprise that this fourth witness has no memory of the party because, for her e nothing remarkable happened at the party. the lawyer said in a statement, it's not surprising that she has no recollection of the evening as they did not discuss it and remarkable she did not remember attending a specific gathering 30 years ago of nothing of consequence happened to her. dr. ford will never forget this gathering because of what happened to her there. other white house aides are sticking to the line that blasey ford should be given the chance to testify and a chance to hear out allegation as other senior aided expressed frustration the progress of getting a hearing on the book took so long. kellyanne conway had this to say last night. >> the white house respects the
process. this is still part of the senate confirmation hearing of judge calf kavanaugh. this is not a civil proceeding. this is another part. it was all done until they came up with this. this is part of the senate confirmation hearing. what i think important to note is judge kavanaugh, this man of integrity and intellect and character said he has never done this to anyone, including her so that is definitive and uni unequivocal. ed he wasn't at the party. these aelgs are serious. we take them seriously. we want to hear from her! >> reporter: of course, this come against the backdrop of president trump's mounting attacks on blasey ford. he started this week questioning why she didn't go to authorities 36 years ago so a complicated process. >> sarah, for most of the last week, the president was bragging about the reception of his
understated comments and lack of criticism of ford on twitter but came the tweets on friday. i understand that gop leadership had something to say about those tweets. >> that's right. you know, victor, white aides privatelily marvelled at the restraint trump had showed. but as the week wore on, he began to question openly why ford didn't report this incident earlier and why senate democrats had sat on the allegation since july. our colleague phil mattingly is reporting that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell called trump on friday calling his tweets questioning ford's motivations were not helpful to the process. the senate judiciary committee and senate republicans are trying to thread a needle without president trump throwing bombs into the process. since that reported phone conversation between mcconnell and trump, we haven't seen any more tweets from trump about
christine blasey ford. >> thank you, sarah. joining us now is julian zeleny and joey jackson. gentlemen, welcome back to "new day sunday." julian, i'm going to start with you. there is now the acceptance of a date in time potentially. are we really any closer to seeing or understanding the specifics of what we will see or maybe will not see if it's private, on thursday? >> well, i think we are going to see testimony from two people. >> you think they both will be public? >> i think it will be. i think if there is no fbi investigation, if there is no other people testifying, and this is all we have, there is going to be a lot of pressure to have this in public. kavanaugh has been very clear on what he is going to say. and so this will be about
hearing dr. ford and if this is not in public, i think it's going to be very hard to build support for what happens. i think there is going to be a lot of pressure to see what she has to say and to hear her account. >> joey, listen to senate majority leader mitch mcconnell on friday and show you what a democratic senator tweeted out us. watch. >> you watched the fight. you've watched the tactics. but here is what i want to tell you in the very near future. judge kavanaugh will be on the united states supreme court. >> so this is from alabama senator doug jones. he tweeted i'm a former u.s. attorney. if they made a statement that their mind was made up before all testimony is in the trial would be prejudiced and i'd move for mistrial and have the judge removed. this is not a criminal proceeding. but what do you make of the comparison here?
>> you know, victor, it's not a criminal proceeding but it's a process wherein you would think the truth would matter. you would think that there would be a consequence and a result, as a result of the testimony. and when you have people who are in positions of power and authority, particularly the majority leader, who are indicating to the public that, in short order, the judge will be confirmed, it give the impression that no matter what you say, dr. ford, we are moving forward. and that is problematic. to the senators, a very good point. i think you need to let the process play out before you have such irresponsible, irresponsible statements and we, of course, be heard previously from senator hatch, obviously, taking side saying she, obviously, doesn't remember and he spoke to judge kavanaugh and judge kavanaugh wasn't at the party. i think those prejudgments need to be left aside and to your point, victor, whether it's criminal or whether it's civil, the bottom line is it is a
hearing and it should she not be heard before conclusions are drawn as to whether the judge should be confirmed. >> julian, we have talked for days now about the republicans questioning of professor ford, but "the washington post" is reporting that judge kavanaugh is incredibly frustrated by the prep for his questioning by democrats. the reporters write of the session that kavanaugh grew frustrated when it came to questions that dug into his private life, particularly list drinking habits and his sexual proclivity and some sections he would not answer. what is the risk for judge kavanaugh and for the democrats? >> the risk for judge kavanaugh and for his supporters is this is ultimately a political situation. this will be about public opinion and whether public opinion after hearing what both sides have to say, if that is what we hear, how it puts pressure on senators like susan klein.
so if he become frustrated, if he become angry at the questions and won't answer some basic facts that emerge, it could backfire and collins is the person who everyone has an eye on right now to see if she is swayed. the risk for democrats, obviously, there is a lot at stake right now. the republicans are arguing their obstructing and stonewalling so they, too, want to show they are running the process with a good degree of credibility. so both sides have a lot at stake in this moment and the future of the court hangs in the balance. >> joey, to you. the attorney. can the democrats get too private, too personal with their questioning and this could backfire for them politically? >> it's a great point. i think we lawyers have to be mindful and respectful of the process and you don't want to go overboard as it relates to your question but, at the same time,
you want to ask probative and relevant questions that get to the heart of the matter. i think as long as the democrat ask those questions, the questions are relevant to the issue, the questions center on what happened or what did not happen, i think they are on solid ground. but we always worry in this proceeding or any criminal or on civil, whether or not our questions really do backfire. and so i think if they ask their questions in a way that are compelling and a way that helps everyone understand what happened or what did not happen, they will be fine. if they cross that line there is always a consequence to that and let's see what question they ask to get to the trunth. >> joey, a new reporting overnight of a fourth person who says they don't have any recollection of this party or any of the specifics that professor ford has talked about over the last several days. for much of last week, senate republicans have said that professor ford will have to come
and testify if she wants to make these accusations, that she has to go under own and share her story with the committee. they are accepting press releases, phone call not requiring them to go under oath and their denials. is there a different protocol for a witness instead of the primary accuser? what do you make of the acceptance of just these emails and phone call and press releases and statements from attorneys and requiring professor ford to come and share her store under oath? >> i make of it that it's problematic and a sham and troubling to the american people. if you want to get to the truth then everyone need to come forward and they should be compelled to testify under oath. you know, we talked about how the president can say anything in public and lie to the press is not a crime. but when you lie before
congress, that's something different. in the event the fbi investigated if you lied before them that is something different pa . when you put that hand up and you swear to tell the truth and you don't it becomes something different. it shows me they are not looking to get to what occurred. they are looking to get judge kavanaugh confirmed and that is really a problem when its comes to telling the truth. >> 10:00 a.m. on thursday, tentatively. still have to work out some of the specifics and we will see if that actually happens. thank you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. we want to tell you about a shake-up on the senate judiciary staff. a communications adviser who had been working on brett kavanaugh's nomination to supreme court has resigned after reports he was fired from a previous job, in part, because of a sexual harassment allegation against him, against ventry. now ventry denies the allegation and he told cnn, quote, he doesn't want to be a distraction and why he stepped down.
nikki haley and heroni will join jake tapper on "state of the union" at 9:00 a.m. eastern and former new york mayor michael bloomberg joins cnn after jake at 10:00 even. mike pompeo says that rod rosenstein's future is uncertain at the doj. plus, don't let your guard down. north carolina governor roy cooper warns residents to stay vigilant and ready to evacuate while the treacherous nothing to do continues. a political cartoonist is in the studio. why he say it's harder to come up with cartoons in the trump era.
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in dallas/ft. worth up to five feet of water filled the streets there. the heavy rain and flash floods shut down highways and lots of roads. >> emergency rescue workers, in fact, had to get people from rooftops and cars because of the rising waters. official say they they won't know the extent of the damage until early next week. let's talk about the floodwaters receding in north carolina. south carolina, floodwaters are breaks record. the city of conway is literally under water as the rivers start to swell there. >> the people who live there and the officials have been filling up sandbags and finalizing evacuation plans, organizing rescue teams for days now. emergency officials say they knew this was coming and just hope it's not as bad as models protect. nick valencia is in conway, south carolina, right now. is the water rising more? what are you seeing there?
how close are we to low tide? >> good morning. >> reporter: we are nine days after hurricane florence and we are still dealing with flooding here in conway, south carolina. it goes without saying north carolina took the brunt of that damage from hurricane florence but here we are as that water drains from north carolina into south carolina. we are dealing with situations like this. remember here yesterday morning we were showing you parts of conway that were just absolutely flooded? here is a different subdivision that is dealing with more of the same. you asked me about if it's still increasing at that pace that we are seeing about two feet per day? it's actually slowed down. yesterday was the first day that we saw just a foot of increase in that water level on the river and it's still on record to crest on monday night into tuesday morning at 22 feet. but the good news in all of this it seems to be stabilizing a little bit. the bad news, is if you're in georgetown or watching this in south carolina, it seems that these scenes are on their way to you. you know, the unique thing about this, we have covered a lot of storms and a lot of floods over
the years. the unique thing about this is how slow moving this was and just how this water is just sort of inching into on the neighborhoods. the good news in all of that is that authorities have had the chance to prepare. they have been telling residents all week long they need to evacuate. this is not a mandatory evacuation zone but we have seen a lot of people gather their belongings. i talked to you about how slow moving this . at 6:00 p.m. the tree the police put a marking there and 12 hours later this water continues to creep toward this neighborhood and this subdivision. conway is still dealing with the effects of hurricane florence. remarkable, guy. >> no doubt about it. nick valencia, thank you. great work out there hoping to understand what the folks are dealing with. >> thank you, nick. amid the speculation about if president trump will fire deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, secretary of state mike pompeo says that crisis
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the 25th amendment to remove him. rosenstein denied those allegations. there is speculation the president could use the report as an excuse to fire rosenstein. speaking to fox news, in fact, secretary of state mike pompeo didn't address the accusations against rosenstein but somebody who doesn't support the agenda should find something else to do. >> we need everyone who is engaging. i hope everyone is on that mission. if you're not, if you're not, you should take this time to go do something more productive. >> joining us now is cnn senior media correspondent and host of "reliable sources, bryant steal -- brian stelter. this doesn't seem the type of message one would freelance. if you put out the secretary of state to make the message, you're making sure that it comes with an exclamation point. >> a very good point. yes.
i think pompeo is expressing what others in trump's orbit are also saying in various way, to various degrees. urging the president to take action against rosenstein. yet we have also seen is a divide among trump allies and among the pro trump media. some of the president's biggest friend and fans on fox news have been telling him, hey, hit the brakes here, don't go firing rod right now just because "the new york times" published this story about him thinking about taping you. there has been a lot of 3d and 4d chess going on people figure you out what is the motive of these leakers and why is the story coming out now? was it essentially designed to tick off president trump and get him to take action against rosenstein? there is this kind of debate playing out within trump world about what to do and when to do it. it's pretty clear the president has been unsatisfied with rosenstein for quite a while but when he takes action and whether he does it and how he does it,
those are all factors and maybe somebody like pompeo is, to some degree, laying the groundwork for a later decision but it doesn't seem like anything is eminent right now. >> i was listening to somebody yesterday saying, you know, rosenstein was joking. maybe ed it and he was joking and andrew mccabe, they didn't know each other well and he didn't know how to take it, that this is blown out of proportion. vur anythi have you heard anything of that nature? >> they were saying we were working on this story several months and not something that just landed on our desk on a thursday that was out of nowhere. the reporters and editors say they were working on this for month and lots of evidence was not just a njoke by the deputy attorney general and a serious comment he made more than once about offering to wear a wire and about whether the 25th amendment needed to be on the
table. rosenstein's words are carefully worded to give him lots of wiggle room and clear what happened in may of 2017 was deeply disturbing inside the fbi and the doj. so "the new york times" say they have lots of evidence this was a real thing. i do think a lot more is going on here than meets the eye. there is something about this that seems strange. whether this is a story that is really about rosenstein versus others in the government, whether there are people with motives here trying to win fights that we don't even know about, frankly, i think we are looking at this story through a paper or plastic straw and we are only seeing part of it so far. but i would point out cnn and abc and others have affirmed "the new york times" reporting that this was apparently a serious conversation back in may of 2017. so now we are more than a year later with rosenstein still in his job and we will see how long that lasts. >> brian stelter, thank you. he is going to be on again later this morning on his show
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different places but that never change. you can't do that if you're a political cartoonist. you have to draw up something new almost every day like this one on the effects of a possible trade war on the president's base. here to show us how it is done, pulitzer surprise winner mike luckovich. welcome back. >> great to be here, victor and christi. thank you for having me. >> you've been working on one in the last 10, 15 minutes? >> probably the last five minutes. >> all right. >> so here it is. where should i show this? right here? >> just hold it up. >> okay. >> explain it. it says? if he is worried, we are wearing wire. shouldn't we be the ones that are naked? >> he is sitting there naked, trump is. keep in mind as i wrote right here, drawn live on the set of cnn. like this is a quickie. >> this is the last five minutes. you've written in this new book, i've got it right here. >> oh, great, yes. >> a very stable genius. we remember that from the
president's tweets. >> right. >> that he called himself a very stable genius that it's harder during the trump administration to sattor aize. >> there is nonsense coming. >> good morning show word. >> it's like he talked about hurricane florence and he said, you know, it's a very wet storm water wise or something like that. >> from the standpoint of what? >> from the standpoint of water. >> i never even did a cartoon on that because there was so much other stuff. did you ever see the "i love lucy" show? and lucy and edthyl at a conveyr belt in a chocolate factory and they have to wrap the chocolate they are coming so fast and stuffing them in their hat and their mouths. this is what it's like being a
cartoonist. so much coming down the conveyor belt. >> are there some you say i can't go that far after you look at it after awhile? >> no. it's strange. i need somebody to look at my stuff. when i'm doing a drawing it's like the word who. you look at that for an hour you think what the hell does who even mean so i need to show it around. occasionally my editor will say you can't do that. there will be something i haven't recognized is inappropriate. but i try and go up to the line. i try to be controversial. >> you talk about your editor. you're syndicated so people see your stuff all across the country but you actually work for the "atlanta journal-constitution" in georgia. >> georgia. >> you are clear about your political views. you drew one said you were depressed when hillary clinton lost. how has the response been in georgia and across the country to your cartoons considering your viewpoint? >> well, you know, atlanta is sort of a more diverse.
it's not -- it's not as red maybe as the rest of georgia. and so, of course, i get -- i get angry mail from people and especially on social media. you know, people don't hesitate to tell you what they really think. >> oh, we know. >> yeah, we know. >> with we know! >> i sort of get a fun feel for it. if someone is really nasty with me, i think, at least they are paying attention to my cartoons so that is what i care about. >> you really don't get hate mail from people who don't watch. >> exactly true, yes! >> they are paying attention. considering your political point of view. this is about the president so all of those drawings are about trump and his administration and the republicans in congress. but how often do you focus on democrats in this trump era? >> you know, i haven't been doing too much on democrats. i haven't done too much other than trump. he just takes -- he just is so out there every day and so i get
in and, you know, he'll tweet something kind of nonsensical and i'll think, okay, i'm just going to wait a little while and then he'll come up with something even funnier. so it's a constant, it's a constant thing like that with me. and then unthe democrat really don't have power and so unthere is not a lot you can do about them. i hit the republicans, you know, when bill clinton was president, i had a field day with him and monica lewinsky. >> yeah. >> a very stable genius, these r are the cartoons of mike luckovich. for the "atlanta journal-constitution" but it's syndicated across the country. mike, good to have you back. >> thank you both. >> always glad to have you here, mike. president trump has slammed brett kavanaugh accuser
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47 minutes past the hour right now. this week we will get to hear from christine blasey ford against her allegations against brett kavanaugh. many are doubting her claims because she waited years before coming forward. president trump tweeted this. assault survivors took to twitter with the #why i didn't report to explain why so many do
not report their assaults. with the main reason being shame, guilt, fear. a political commentator is with us now and also tracy a director of the know more campaign. thank you both for being with us. we appreciate it. anna shay you had i think the gop is wildly underestimating his peril with dr. christine blasey ford. what peril do you the republicans getting into here? >> first of all, i think what we are seeing now is exactly why -- what we are seeing now online and in reality is exactly why women don't report and i think that the gop are wildly underestimating women and what we have to go through our entire lives. this is a spectacle to cover up no member of the gop actually care whether kavanaugh assaulted dr. ford or not. they are just trying to jam their nominee through. and it's amazing to me in 2018
the parallels that not only are we seeing with anita hill but this is a demonstration in rape culture 101. normalizing men's sexual violence and blaming women. >> tracy, help peoplend why with him or men who go through something like this do not come forward with it right away? >> i think it's really common that people don't come forward and there are so many reasons. as you said the #why i didn't report is a really good thing to look at. but a lot of times it's fear. it's fear of retribution, especially if the perpetrator is in a position of power or has a lot of clout in the community. the criminal justice often retraumatized victim having them go over their story over and over in front of the perpetrator and that brings the victim right back to the assault that happened. and they experience all of those feelings and all of that trauma
immediately. >> victims don't immediately, you had this was interesting, tracy, they don't even immediately identify that they have been a victim of a sexual assault. you mean because it just takes so long to process it? >> i think that sometime its it takes so long to process and we have a version in our head what a rape looks like and what a rapist looks like. that typically involves a stranger or somebody jumping out from behind a bush. but 80% to 90% of people know their abuser. so when they see this person that they know and that maybe they have good experiences with in the past, they have to really wrestle with the fact of did i experience that? is that what it looked like? and they have to really combine the fact that that is not what i thought rape looked like and that was not what i was expecting but they have the feelings of being violated and assaulted and a lot of times it takes a lot to go through and to process that and to reallynd
what they experienced was, indeed, sexual assault. >> in the middle of the me too movement and it seem like we have to be very careful about this balance. it takes such courage and strength to come out and admit that something like this has happened to you. at the same sense, an allegation does not immediately equate to a crime being committed, to guilt. how do we balance the strength of these women who are coming out with due process for the alleged perpetrator? >> you know what is so interesting is that kavanaugh is not being tried for crimes. he about to get a massive promotion to the supreme court which has the power to tell the president no, which has the power to tell congress no. we have every right to know everything about this candidate and to know everything about this nominee. but what is interesting is that we don't need this public performance that is going on right now. every woman's case is different.
every woman's story is different and experience is different. dr. ford has asked for an fbi investigation. we are on this artificial time line because the republicans don't care. they want to jam their nominee in and we don't need to have this resolved by monday or by thursday. we can allow for an fbi investigation which is what people are calling for which is what dr. ford is calling for. instead, we are putting this woman and her character and whether she is lying or not or she is telling the truth on trial. and this is exactly what rape culture is and i find it very interesting that the president doesn't believe her and is putting out these doubts on whether she is telling the truth or not because he is a self-admitted sexual assaulter and it's really interesting which path the gop is going down. they are clearly following the head of their party. >> tracy, to her point, i would like you to answer the same question -- how do we balance accusations against due process? because it seem like either way,
from either side, people are coming to their own conclusions without there being an investigation. >> i think that we need to listen to survivors and false accusations are very, very -- a small percentage of sexual assault because victims have so much to lose in coming forward and they don't have a lot to lose if they false report. so i really think that we need to look at that and we just really need to listen to survivors and we need to educate ourselves about what it looks like to experience sexual assault and all of the different thing that survivors can look like after they have experienced that. >> all right. tracy, do you have any concerns for christine blasey ford if she gets in front of this committee? >> i think that her character is going to be put into question and i think that we have a tendency to ask victims what did you do, instead of asking perpetrators what have you done. she is going to have go through all of that and really have to
face that situation yet again so many years later. >> yeah. >> and it's going to be really difficult for her. >> we appreciate both of you being here and hearing your voice. we appreciate both of you. thank you for tag the time for us today. >> thank you. still to come, japan's tiny robots have successfully hopped their way onto an asteroid and into hi. more on this remarkable mission is ahead.
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