tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN September 23, 2018 9:00am-10:00am PDT
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>> i just want to say to the men in this country, just shut up and step up. plus firing line? deputy attorney general rod rosenstein denies that he discussed secretly recording the president. but is the president buying it? >> there's a lingering stret ii a stench and we're going to get rid of that too. how will president trump respond this week, u.s. ambassador to the united nations nikki haley is here. hello, i'm jake tapper in washington, where the state of our union is on the edge of our seats. brett kavanagh's attorneys and
christine blasey ford who will share her firsthand account of that night back in the 1980s when brett kavanagh assaulted her. this is the white house pointing to a fourth person said to be at the party denying any knowledge of the party or the incident. this woman, a friend of the accuser, professor ford echoes the other three attendees who say they have no knowledge of the incident and even the party. on friday, president trump pivoted away say asking why ford didn't report at the time. prompting social media and a phone call from mitch mcconnell telling the president that his comments were not helpful. and if that's not enough. it's also a huge week for the president on the world stage, he's heading to new york to chair the u.n. security council meeting on iran. let's get straight to the ambassador of the united nations
nikki haley. i want to get to all those important foreign policy questions first, but i do have to ask, president trump began attacking professor blasey ford asking since ford did not report the incident immediately after it occurred, it probably didn't happen. and senator susan collins of maine responded to that. listen to this. >> i was appalled by the president's tweets. we know that allegations of sexual assault are one of the most unreported crimes that exist. so i thought that the president's tweet was completely inappropriate and wrong. >> madam ambassador who wsecrett was your response? >> i am getting ready for meetings at the united nations,
so i am not so focused on the kavanagh hearings. i think the accuser has to be hea heard and so does the accused. for the good of both families. i think they have to do this swiftly and quickly and they have to do it with a lot of care. and so with that we don't know what the truth is 35 years ago, but we'll find out and that's the best thing we can do is hear from both sides and take it from there. >> let me remove kavanagh from the equation, let me remove ford from the occasion, just as a matter of principle. do you think it's fair to suggest that a person or a young girl didn't go to the police when an alleged attack happened then the attack likely didn't occur is that a message that you're comfortable with? >> the message i'm comfortable with is that accusers go through a lot of trauma and some handle it one way and some handle it
the other way, it's not that we want to try and blame the accuser or second guess the accuser, we don't know what this woman was going through 36 years ago, we don't know the circumstances. she deserves respect, she deserves to be heard, kavanagh who's been accused deserves to be heard and i think we'll get our answers next week. >> the iran is accusing other nations including an attack on sunday where a gunman killed 29 people at a parade. hassan rouhani who said that it is america who supports these little mercenariemercenaries. ro rouhani's going to be in new york this week. from president frump and rouhani going to meet? and what does the president plan
to say about these allegations? >> we will welcome rohuhani lik we welcome all other heads of state. but again, we have a lot of rhetoric coming from rouhani. what rouhani needs to do is look at his own home base. the iranian people are protesting. every dollar iran gets goes to his military, and he needs to look at his own base to see where that's coming from. i think the iranian people have had enough. and that's where all the is coming from, but having said that, he can blame us all he wants, the thing he's got to do is look in the mirror. >> speaking of one's home base, rudy giuliani appeared at an iranian opposition event last night and said that u.n. sanctions could lead to an overthrow inner rang.
>> what are the irans going to think when one of rouhani's closest advisers -- there is no love for iran here in the united states, and there's no love for the united states and iran. and both sides are going to go back and forth, at the end of the day, what with have said is that iran had a terrible deal and they were getting hundreds of billions of dollars, they were continuing to do ballistic missile testing and they were continuing to support terrorism and they were continuing to sell arms. whether it's in yemen, whether it's in iraq, whether we're looking at what's happening in syria. the goal of what we want to try and do is make sure we defeat isis, we want the iranian control out of it, we're trying to do that. and we're going to make sure that we hold iran to account. iran can do a lot of things but
at the end of the day, iran is not a got aing for and the international community needs to keep them to account. >> what about rudy giuliani saying to romhauhani there's go to be regime change? >> we're not looking to do regime change anywhere, what we want to do is protect america and our allies and the president has been very strong on iran, he's been very strong that we can't turn away from them, they are a bad actor and you'll continue to see him in terms of every action we take from there. iran's economy has plummeted because the president pulled out of the deal, they're getting desperate and i think we're seeing the actions of that. >> president trump is getting ready tomorrow to speak with north korea's president moon. he said there's been tremendous progress on north korea. in july, secretary pompeo said that north korea was still making new nuclear material.
i know that north korea has halted nuclear and missile test s. can you point to any steps of theirs to actually denuclearize? >> it's a major step that they're not testing, that's a major feat, all throughout 2017, we were constantly seeing ballistic missile tests. and the fact that both sides shook hands and said they wanted peace i think that's no small thing. and i think their parade where they didn't show off nuclear weapons for the first time, is an accomplishment. and i think we want to focus on denuclearization with verification. we have to make sure that north korea know what is we mean by denuclearization, we have to make sure that we enforce sanctions because we brought them to the table to start with. >> we're going to cut the number of refugees to 30,000 in 40
years. i know you have made working i with refugees a priority. do you support the cut? >> we all gave your own opinions on what we thought that number should be and at the end of the day there's a national security council process that goes through that. this is what i'll tell you, the united states is the most generous to refugees of any country in the world. i mean, like you said, i have been to see the syrian refugees in jordan and turkey, i have been to ethiopia i have been to the congo, because never i have heard refugees say i want to go to america, they say i want to go back home. so we'll continue to do that. the fact that the cap was reduced on the number that come into the united states is such a small part of the refugee conversation. the refugee conversation is how do we support these refugees going home, how do we support political solutions until the
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one democratic member of the senate judiciary committee has been making headlines this week for her fiery defense of ford. democrat mazy hirono has joaned us. what specifically do you plan on asking brett kavanagh? >> there are a lot of issues around brett involving what was happening in high school, et cetera, but even before all this happened he had credibility issues in his three days of testimony. he's a very outcome driven in terms of how he views cases before him and so i had issues with his credibility and how he went about things way before this even happened. >> so you're not going to talk to him about policy? >> i would be wanting to hear what kind of environment it was in high school. apparently there was a lot of drinking and partying going on. this is why we need an investigation, we need an independent investigation that lays all of that out for us, so there's at least some chance of
some outside entity like the fbi, doing an investigation, this is totally untoward. because remember, during the anita hill days, there was an investigation, per funfunctory that was, but dr. ford has not even had that. but she's coming forward and sayisay saying i'm going to tell my story, so i want to make sure she gets to tell her story without intimidation, fear or the threats she's getting already for coming forward. >> a court tennant of american law is not being applied to kavanagh. the democratic standard of sexual assault allegations is they should be accepted as true for merely having ben made, the burden is on mr. kavanagh to prove his innocence. this turns american justice and due process upside down. what is your response. >> if t"the wall street journal really cares about due process,
they should care that there's no independent investigation of these allegations. i think this kind of attitude is what makes it really difficult for victims and survivors of these kinds of dramatictraumati to even come forward. we don't seem to have come very far from the anita hill days, but for "the wall street journal" to come out and say talk to me about due process, and all the women i'm hearing about that didn't come forward, it's important not only for these survivors to be heard, but if their stories are as credible as dr. ford's story is, they need to be believed. >> four people described to be at the party, have denied knowledge of the incident. brett kavanagh, a. so there hasn't been a law enforcement investigation. but there are these statements from the four people she remembers being there who don't remember the incident or don't
even remember being at the party in question, according to her friend leanne kaiser who says she believes her, but doesn't remember the incident. >> i put his denial in the context of everything that i know about him in terms of how he approaches his cases. as i said, his credibility is already very questionable in my mind and in the minds of a lot of my fellow judiciary committee members, is democrats. so he comes and, when i say that he's very outcome driven, he has an ideological agenda and i can tell you a lot of the cases that exemplifies in my view inability to be fair in the cases that come before him. this is a person that is going to be sitting on our supreme court making decisions that will impact a woman's reproductive choice, he very much is against a woman's reproductive choice and i can tell you two very important cases in which he
applied the same standard but came to totally different result that make it much harder forewomen for women to get this kind of coverage. >> you think because you don't trust him on policy, and because you don't believe him when he says, for instance that he does not have an opinion on roe v. wade, you don't believe him on his denial of this allegation of 1982? >> there should be at least an investigation so there's some effort at collaboration, we think there was a lot of drinking going on, and as far as his friend mark judge not even testifying, that's astounding. he was right there in that room, he refuses to testify. there was a lot of drinking going on, this was the entitlement with this school apparently. >> you think kavanagh is lying, though? >> i believe her, let's put it
that way, there's credibility to her story and i'm going to make sure that she is able to come forward. and there's nothing for her to gain by even coming forward with this. >> i have heard a lot of people saying that democrats would be more credible about this issue if they were similarly outspoken when allegations are made about democrats and one example is the democratic congressenman and deputy chairman of the dnc keith ellison who's been accused of emotional and physical abuse. >> you know, i don't know what somebody might cook up, but i can tell you that there is absolutely nobody that i'm aware of that has absolutely any who's threatening or made any prior accusation. >> he's running for attorney general of minnesota. wouldn't kavanagh and ford be
more condemning if they were also condemning democrats in their midst including congressman ellison. >> i make it clear that i -- as far as keith ellison, these allegations need to be investigated and appropriate action taken. meanwhile, we have within the next week or so, we have before us a nominee that's under a clou cloud. there's not even a modicum of investigation, there's a lot of he said/she said. for example when the person who's running against my sister, heidi hidecamp, says something happened--i want to be very laser focused on the fact that this person who already has credibility issues, he will misstate the holding of cases that i'm very familiar with.
he will misapply the case. and i said during his hearing, i do not want to have a person on the supreme court who doesn't seem to be able to apply the facts in ways that do not meet his outcome driven agenda. at the same time we now have this cloud. we already have one person in the supreme court who got there under this cloud, we should not have another. >> the last time you questioned brett kavanagh, you asked him if he had ever committed sexual assault as an adult. he said no. why do you caveat the question of legal adult which would have excluded this incident anyway. >> a 17-year-old is no child. i ask that question because juvenile records are sealed. >> it's as simple as that? >> it is why. >> because behavior 18 and older and behavior under 18.
>> generally we hold adults responsible for their behavior. but these are questions that have never been asked before of any nominee. and at this point i have probably asked this of 100 nominees and i ask this both of men and women the same questions, because we need to change the environment that says that women, and men who suffer from this kind of trauma, are not in a supportive environment where they can come forward because when you think about it, this is very under reported. why? because often the victims and the survivors, they're not believed, they're vilified, all of the things that are happening to dr. ford happen. >> we only have a little bit of time. but i just want to ask you, sheld sheldon whitehouse, said if he wins back control of the senate and the house, get gavels, as he put it, will have hearings against kavanagh, a sitting supreme court justice. does that set the stage of a potential impeachment of kavanagh? >> frankly i have such concerns
about this person getting to the supreme court, but on the other hand, i know that maryland as limited the statute of limitations of sexual assault. so i think this is a situation that is not going to go away. the heritage foundation has spent decades and millions of dollars to lay the ground work for people like judge kavanagh to get on the court with their very outcome driven agenda that will not support a woman's right to choose, and especially judge kavanagh's very sexist views about a criminal or sexual proceeding and i think this judge in particular is aware of that because his mission is self-preservation, every second, minute, hour of the day.
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him. not worry about the other side. and by the way, women are for that more than anybody would understand. >> president donald trump at a rally on friday night in missouri saying that there are women in favor of women fighting for brett kavanagh more than any of us would understand. our experts are here to talk about it. amanda carpenter, is that true? >> yeah, i do see republican men and women want to see this go through and have some firm resolutions at the end of this hearing. and brett kavanagh has said i categorically unequivocally deny participating in any of this kind of behavior through my whole life. so if anything comes out to disprove that, he's toast, that's the standard. >> we now have four individuals who have come forward who were named by professor ford who were at that party, kavanagh, judge, smith and her friend, leland
kaiser have all said they don't remember anything like this ever happened and leland kaiser who says she believes ford says she doesn't even remember ever being at a party where kavanagh was president. >> and that actually corroborates ford's story that she was so horrified by this that she kind of snuck out or shrulun slunk out of this apartment what no one would know what happened because she was so utterly mortified and she didn't tell anyone for years, which is consistent with the way 77% of women behave who have been sexually assaulted. so the president saying that calling into question her credibility shows, to me, you know, that this hearing as it's set up as a he said/she said cannot stand as a he said/she said. there has to be additional
investigation or testimony to provide some corroborating context. her behavior is perfectly consistent with the victims of sexual assault. so the president and others who are attempting to smear her credibility without hearing are the ones who women are going to be furious at in this election and beyond. >> michael, earlier in the show, u.n. ambassador nicky hakki hal didn't directly criticize president trump saying if she didn't come out at the time then it didn't happen. but she did seem to suggest that that's the wrong way to look at sexual assault allegations. >> it's not something we want to do toe bla blame the accuser or second guess the accuser i think we don't know the situation she was going through 36 years ago.
>> and then mitch mcconnell calling the president and saying that comments questioning ford's credibility are not helpful. >> she goss to drinking parties and that frustrates me as well. but at the end of all of this, i think that chairman grassley has been really accommodating. probably more accommodating i would be as a father of daughters. but he's facing a very difficult midterm session, where we really do want to have women voters support us on november 6, but at the same time, if you can't confirm kavanagh, why vote republican at all. >> what do you think of all this? >> i don't think grassley has been doing his constitutional duty in order to really give advice and consent which is their constitutional duty, they should slow this down and get
all of the information, there's no reason to go forward with this. >> you mean have an fbi investigation? >> dr. ford is the only one asking for an fbi investigation, someone who's lying, who's not credible, wouldn't be asking that. she took a polygraph test, by a former fbi agent. someone who was credible or lying would not do that. and i was wondering why don't we slow this down, we're talking about a lifetime appointment to the court, someone who's going to interpret and administer the law. >> i think there's a chance she doesn't show on thursday. we don't know how willing she was actually to tell this story. she wanted to be anonymous. there's so much pressure -- i don't know how anybody in this environment, particularly someone who does not want to be in the press, we really do not have one photo of her. >> but she's not been out the--
>> she is calling for this to be public. >> she said this is her duty as a citizen to come forward, so i think she will come on thursday and think she is credible and she will tell her story. but i think beer not doing it the right way. >> i think this issue of why the rush, the fierce rush to get this done in this short amount of time and republicans will say, of course it's because we want to get it over with before the election, the election is almost six weeks away, there is plenty of time, i mean if they had launched an fbi investigation last week, it might have even been done by now. >> the anita hill investigation was over in two or three days. >> let's all agree that none of us now know dknow dr. ford and know if this is true or not. but we also have to learn lessons at republicans, is that
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of pornography involving women with large breasts and engaged in variety of sex with different people or animals. that was a thing that embarrassed me the most and made me feel the most humiliated. >> that was then senate judiciary chairman then vice president joe biden in 1991 questioning professor anita hill when he was in the hot seat there. my experts join me now, senator biden, vice president biden is out there there. what's the most embarrassing thick that you lived through an ne -- anita hill. >> i think a lot of people who were involved in -- my concern is you've got a whole bunch of members of the senate judiciary committee who are still serving
from that time. and what troubles me is now they're -- because they're all white men, the republican -- there's never been a republican woman on the senate judiciary committee, ever in the history. so they're also concerned about stuff like that that they are -- they want to outsource the questioning of dr. ford to a woman. now can i just say, i mean, if they're not comfortable in this era, even questioning a woman, i think it's time to replace them. but not outsource their duty to be open about asking her questions. she's asking for the senate to question her. are they so retro great that they can't even themselves find a way to question her? >> i think the best thing they could do is get someone who has experience with sexual assault victims. >> to question her, right? >> what am i afraid of?
i i don't trust the senator who do this professionally. >> it's their job. >> it is their job. they also have the ability to surrender those questions over to someone who has expertise in this area. what i do wonder, will the democrats will able to resist the temptation to go overboard on brett kavanagh's sexual history. >> here's the problem too, is that okay, before we left the last segment, we talked about how there was an fbi investigation because george h.w. bush asked for one in 1991. and now we're here in 2018 and we're not even getting that. we have oren hatch who has said oh, she's probably just mixed up. >> i have no problem with the fbi investigators asking her the same question. >> of course they're going to deny, nothing out of the ordinary happened to them that night, so they're going to deny it. >> they're denying they were at
any party whatsoever. [ all talking at once ] >> what do you think happens thursday, what do you think happens, michael, you have professor ford, you have judge kavanagh, the senators get to answer questions. what if kavanagh and dr. ford present themselves reasonably credibly and well. >> i think we move toward a confirmation. i think how this hearing goes, if it is held publicly has dr. ford wants it. will have a lot to do with what happens in the midterms for example. >> why will it have a lot to -- say she comes off as totally credible and now there's been no investigation and you really have this he said/she said moment. and there are no additional witnesses. and jake, you could offer your
platform to be able to interview her or other witnesses, i'm sure there will be shows that will offer that to her. so then the republican senators are in this position of not having done an investigation themselves and stuff being out there in the public realm and the pressure on them to vote to ram through him with credible evidence out there, i think will be very, very difficult for them. >> can we just talk pure politics? if no more information comes out. we end the week with knowing nothing else, republicans might as well move forward, they're already gaining credence with republican female voters, i think the feeling is just go get your judge. whatever happens in the midterms -- >> you think they should vote for him? >> yes. whatever happens in the midterms happens. get your judge. >> i agree with you, put some women on that panel, for god's sake. >> but they shouldn't make the female senators do it just
because -- >> we're looking at the upp iop and now we need some. >> in campaigning for senator carol mosley brown, he made her promise that she would sit on the judiciary committee, he said we need women on the judiciary committee. >> and the second lesson is barrett. amy comey barrett. this me too stuff can't be held against her. we can get her past. we're never going to get more than 51 vote ares again ever, this is going to be a knife fight for every single one of the president's nominees. >> this is unequivocally equal choice. >> stay tuned. thanks one and all for being here. welcome to the trump presidential library where it's always a dark and stormy night. that's the subject of "the "state of the cartoonian" next. (vo) this is not a video game.
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