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this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today on the show, michael bloomberg. the former mayor of new york city has challenged donald trump on climate change, guns and other things. but is he ready to challenge him for the presidency? i will ask in an exclusive interview. >> i care very much about this country, as you know, i have devoted my life and all my net worth to trying to make the world a better place.
>> also it's been three months since women in saudi arabia have been allowed behind the wheel. i'll talk to minal al sharif who fought hard for that right. so why she hasn't she been able to participate? find out when we talk to her. but first here's my take. when confronting a challenging problem, it's sometimes useful to listen to someone who looks at it have an entirely different angle. that's why i found it fascinating to talk about the rise of populism and nativism with bono last week at a summit in kiev. the irish activist philanthropist sees the same forces we do in europe, but focuses on something intangible yet essential. the only way to combat the
extremists is to have an upbeat and positive vision. he said that europe needs to go from being seen as a bore, a bureaucracy, a technical project to being what it is, a grand inspiring idea. so bono's band has been trying to unfurl the flag of the european union. europe is a thought that needs to become a feeling, bono writes in a recent op-ed in a german newspaper. he's trying to give that feeling meaning. for him europe is about the ability of countries that were once warring to live in peace, for people of many different lands and languages to come together. he writes that idea of europe deserves songs written about it and big, bright, blue flags to be waved about. bono admits that europe is a hard sell today, the continent is ablaze with populism, these forces have taken hold in italy,
hungary, germany and sweden. the idea is the same, hostility toward foreigners, anyone who is different. bono's idea has been -- identity stems from europe's deep seated psychological need to be recognized as having dignity. in recent years, persecuted minority groups, blacks, hispanics, gays, have celebrated their identity and so have working class whites, who now feel ignored and forgotten. the answer, he writes, is not to reject identity politics, but to construct broad identities that can embrace others and unify different groups. the eu's founders, he argues, spent so much time building
technical aspects of the european project, laws, rules, tariffs, they didn't construct a european identity, something people could believe in, not for rational reasons, but for emotional and idealistic ones. the anti-populist forces need to find a broad unifying identity centered on core american ideas and values, rather than narrow or religious ones, we need a much greater focus on the american identity, of the things that make us all love being american, we need to connect with people in their guts, not just in their heads. what people in europe and america ought to be proud of, what they should be celebrating are the remarkable achievements of diversity in a democracy. as bono writes, i love our differences, our dialects, our traditions, our peculiarities, and i believe they still leave
room for what churchill called an enlarged patriotism, pleural allegiances, ayered ilayered id but real patriots seek unity above mhomogeny. for more to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. andlet get started. nine months before the 2016 election, the billionaire michael bloomberg ended all hope and speculation that he might enter that race as a third party
candidate. in an article published on his media opinion site, he explained why he had decided that a third party run wouldn't work. he also used the piece to denounce donald trump and explain how his policy ideas threaten to, quote, divide us at home and compromise our moral leadership around the world. in the 611 days that mr. trump has been president, mr. bloomberg has continued his criticism on issues like climate change and gun control in particular. he is spending some $80 million of his estimated $52 billion fortune to support democratic candidates in the upcoming midterm elections. and then there is 2020. will he run? this time as a democrat? i sat down with michael bloomberg at the headquarters of his filphilanthropy.
>> what would make you decide to run for president of the united states? >> well, right now, i'm only focused on the midterms. i believe that the republicans have not done what they should have done in terms of providing some counter balance to the executive branch which is what the founding fathers planned. and also not tackling the big issues, guns, and climate change and income inequality and immigration in a sound way. and so that's what i'm going to focus on. and then afterwards, you would take a look at it. i care very much about this country, as you know, i have devoted my live and all my net worth to trying to make the world a better place, because i think that's the best thing i can do for my kids and my grandkids. and we would see whether or not it's possible and how i feel and -- but that's down the road, you got to take these things one at a time. everybody's focused now on the
midterms, and they should be. and then afterwards, we'll -- there's lots of possibilities. lots of things you can do in the world, i have lots of ways to make a difference, i've been doing it through the foundation and my company and my personal life. and, you know, it is a very heady thing when people yell run, run, run. anybody that thinks it isn't, should see a shrink. >> you know the case against the bloomberg presidency, because you made it many times both privately and publicly. a billionaire who's pro choice and anti-guns. >> what i did say was that i said that a new york billionaire would never be elected president of the united states and unless you believe wilbur ross's accounting, maybe that's still true. >> use thiyou think you have a
you ever decide to do it? >> i don't know. that's up to the public to decide. i can just tell you, i've never been shy about what i believe. i got elected mayor by not asking people where they wanted to go, and then following them, i got elected because i said these are the policies i think we should have and here's why and follow me. and that was for three elections, people seemed to be very happy with what the city did in 12 years. and i think you can do that at a federal level. requires being able to put together people who are not in the paper every day for scandals, but people who are experts in their field. and that you give -- you tell gait to th -- delegate to them and attract them and aju judjudicate the is and i think you can do that and i think -- i have always
believed that americans respect people who say what they believe even if they don't agree with them. and my experience in going around new york with, you know, new york is a strange city. we have more embassies than any other city in the world. we have a police department that's roughly the sixth biggest army in the world. we have a budget that's bigger than the gdp of half the countries in the world. we have every ethnicity and every level of education and experiencing and everything here in the city. and for 12 years, i went around and there were lots of people that said to me, you know, i want -- i don't believe -- i don't like what you're doing, and i'm like i hear you, let me explain why and listen to you and walk away and i believe i got their votes. and i'll never forget, the first time i was campaigning, the first day, this nice elderly woman comes up to me on the street corner, and says i'm so glad you're running, i'm going
to vote for you, and all my friends are going to vote for you. and i thought, this is my first day, this is going to be easy. and this woman looked up to me and said, i'm so glad you're pro life. and i remember for a billionth of a second, i said i'm sorry, i believe in a woman's right to choose, i'm not in favor of abortion, i don't think anybody is, but when somebody's got to make a decision, that's where i come out, no ifs, ands or buts about it and she said i hope you still like the other things i stand for. and she walked away. i think there's f ee's no way t out but i bet you anything that i got her vote. when she walked away, i don't agree with him, but at least he
th he's honest. >> you said that democrats might jump too strongly on the impeachment issue. >> yes. >> does that mean that if the democrats take the house they should not impeach donald trump? >> i think they should wait on the investigations that are going on now, mueller, et al, what they arrive at. but i think it is true that you don't want to do things that will have an affect that you didn't count on. and clearly if the democrats try to impeach donald trump it will energize his base as well as their base and whether or not that's a good thing, the country needs to have donald trump change some of his policies and do the things that i think are right in a way that's much more respectful of people. i certainly have said my piece about the trump presidency, but we want him to be a good president and people say, i hate the guy. you have a right when it comes to the next election, vote for somebody else.
but the public spoke and we should find a way to make that government function and function in a way that benefits us all and certainly, that's not -- he's not done the things that i think he should be doing. i disagree with him on almost everything. but i still think we should find a way to get both sides of the aisle to work together. i said to nancy pelosi the other day when i wases in san francisco. if the democrats get control of the house, i would expect her and the democrats to do what i'm claiming republicans should be doing and i will hold their feet to the fire in the same ways. every time the outparty always says the other party's not willing to compromise, but when they become the majority, they do the exact same thing. the world is too complex today, things happen too fast between science and politics and communications and transportation, and all of these things, we can no longer do business that way. we have to work together.
>> you have been consistently critical of donald trump from the -- >> not of him, i've been consistently critical of his administration. i try not to make it personal because that just takes away from the fact that i disagree with his policies and i certainly disagree with the way he approaches problems. there is a lack of civility and of openness and honesty that i find distasteful, i think it is very bad for the country, but rather than make it around one person i would rather talk about the administration, because it's not just him, and the policies that i disagree with rather than the personality. >> but i wanted to ask you about that because when i think about that speech that you gave at the democratic convention, which is very tough. is the problem with donald trump his character or his policies or both? >> i think both, i disagree with most of his policies. and i certainly disagree with
the way he has tried to implement ornisha initiate his policies. i think it's very unfair that china has not been open to us as we have been to them. it is asymmetrical, we should not be toll rapt of terant of t. but we should not take the person on the other side of the argument and put them in a situation where they can't cave. you cannot go and embarrass the other side, you always want to walk away from a negotiation where both of you can feel you won, may not have got on everything you want, but you still won. i think that's true in a marriage, in government, in just about everything. i think people in government want respect, and if you don't give it to them, you can't recognize the policy side. it is the style and the walking
away from science and walking away from history and walking away from everything that this country has done over the years, you know. you say make america great again, people when they vote with their feet, still come here and you want to make sure that they continue to come here. i cannot tell you america's done everything right every time. we have had some disgraceful things like slavery in the history of our country. but like i said, putting the japanese in camps during world war ii. nevertheless, every country has problems and i'm still very proud of what this country has done. and i think it will continue to do more, but it does mean reaching out and helping, being the world's conscience is a very good thing, not a bad thing. >> much more with former new york city mayor michael bloomberg when we come back. ♪ be right back. with moderate to severe crohn's disease,
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and we are back with more of michael bloomberg from his philanthropy headquarters in new york city. what would a bloomberg president do on this reaction to kavanagh, do you think the senate should vote? should the fbi investigate? how would you handle it? >> you are considering the character and the abilities of somebody who's going to have a job for life. there is no rush. whatsoever. there's no argument that says we should do anything other than investigate everything. i think on balance today, i would not vote for kavanagh's
approval, whatever the term is. i think i'm too worried about roe v. wade, i think i'm too worried about some of these extreme views on the first amendment. but the question you asked as to whether or not congress should do it. look, the president has a right to appoint anybody he wants. if you want somebody different, you should have voted for a different president. he's there and congress has a responsibility to do a thorough investigation if that's the right word or discussions on vetting him and making sure that he's the right person. if i were senator, i would at this point, given what i know, vote no. but that's not the issue here, the issue is, should they wait to find out whether this allegation is true or not? and you can't just all of a sudden come out and say, okay, you got three days to do it. now why this didn't come out
before, you can make that argument, nevertheless, it came out when it came out. it get serve deserves to have a hearing and that's hard to do in a rush given people's careers and reputations and emotions are on the line. no reason to rush whatsoever. >> you wrote a piece against the tax cut. i was struck by how strongly you came out against it. explain because a lot of businesses say it's a good idea. what's your concern? >> i thought cutting taxes on companies made sense because we want them to be able to compete around the world and they were at a disadvantage. giving a tax break to the wealthy individuals including me, is no excuse to do that whatsoever. and that was the one that we really need to improve, revamp, expand you aour infrastructure.
our infrastructure in this country, roads and bridges and air traffic control, you go right down the list, the inf infrastrinfr infrastructure is falling apart. there's places where we don't have good communications, wi-fi and that sort of thing. we need to fix these things if we're going to have a better life and compete with other countries around the world, make sure americans can get access and all kinds of things. that compared to giving a bunch of wealthy people tax breaks when america's taxes are lower on individuals than most places around the world doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. >> you used to say that anyone with a phd or an advanced degree in science, should get a diploma with a green card stapled to it? >> do you really want to educate
businesses overseas? i saw a story in the paper today, that there's another company making a.i. chips that will compete with america, we have to have tried aade and we to have open borders. t the open borders are to get people to come and buy and sell here. and we can have restrictions on what we sell and tariffs on some of them. there's nothing wrong with any of that, but it has to be a balance thing that you have thought out and negotiated over the years, so for example with china, i think we should -- we have put a lot of pressure on them to open their markets to us, so we can start businesses there and they can buy our products. but at the same time, having a trade war makes no sense at all. because we'll put tariffs on our products. the american public will pay for that and we exempt certain things, the chinese government, they see the list of the ones you exempt and they know you
care about that and they'll put that on the other side. trade wars don't win. i don't know how many times we have to go and say that. enough, let's get off the voodoo economics and do something serious here. >> more of my interview with former new york city mayor michael bloomberg when we come back. to break free from conventional thinking. we are a different kind of financial company. we are athene, and we are driven to do more.
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more now wiof my interview with michael bloomberg, formmul billionaire and former mayor of new york city. by any standards, you are a very successful ceo. when you watch donald trump as the chief executive of this country or you read the bob woodward book, what do you think of his management style, his leadership style? >> as i said before, i don't like to make things personal, but i certainly disagree with the ways he has conducted himself, i don't think you hire and fire people, this is not a reality tv show. i don't think you try to do earning yourself, you have to delegate. i don't think you undercut your people when you set them up to say one thing and then the next
day say something else. i don't think you make policy and then converse with the public on tweets. the president has to understand that his word is not just the word of root out of 300 million americans in the united states. when he says words, it has meaning. republicans have come to him and said we're not welcome in this country, can i move to another bloomberg office? and we actually had the same thing in london, we have had some people say that we're not welcome in that country, they want to stay with the company, but they would prefer to work someplace else, words have meanings and that's very tragic. that with these words are not to the standard that you and i were taught. >> you've been very active on global warming. >> yes. >> it's something that not a lot
of people, when i think of the world you come out of, big business and things like that, there aren't as many people as active. why is this such a passion for you?nk global warming has two things, one it can hurt the environment today, see the water you drink or the lack of water to drink, the foods that you have, or the lack of food or the different kinds of food that you no longer can have and have to settle for, the -- all the environmental stuff. today kids go to hospitals with asthma because there's stuff in the air, you get stomach cancer because the water's not pure, you can't get to work and so you don't start a new business or our economy slows down, the same things are the things that cause climate change longer term, and long-term, the science says and there's some evidence it's happening that once you get going, it's very hard to stop the world from continuing to get
warm. why? well, if the ice caps melt, the ice caps are white, white reflects off heat back from the sun out into the atmosphere. if they're no there, the earth absorbs it. if the earth absorbs it and temperatures go up, then the tundra in russia melts and all the methane becomes really bad. we have seen storms more frequent. you saw one in the carolinas, and more violent in history. 17 of the 18 hottest years on record have been since the year 2000. only missed one. you take a look at droughts, there's plenty of places that farmers do not have water, they have to switch to different crops because it's warmer. the fisher are in different places, maine lobsters are no longer in maine, they're further north now, and they used to be in chesapeake bay. the world reacts to these
things, you go auto the rockies, and you'll see these swathes of trees, they're all brown, they're all dead. why? because the winter isn't cold enough to kill the beetles and keep the population down. and there's f ee's more forest . all these things are causing us pain today, and if things continue to get worse, we don't know where it lands. if one scientist with peer review says it's possible, i think we should take some pro prophylactic action because it could be true. >> various different heads of state, different governments, ceos are living through a great deal of skepticism of kind of these elites meeting. what do you hope to accomplish with it? >> government worries about war
and peace and things like that. businesses worry about the economy, and their access to consumers around the world. and the supply chains of materials that let them build products and sell services. business and governments, they don't meet in ways that is productive, they don't get to know each other well, it's their lobbyists who talk to lobby y l, you want business people to be able to express themselves and the government understand them. everybody wants recognition and respect. whether you're in government or you're in business, it's all the same. the recognition may come in different form, in business, it typically comes in monetary compensation. in teaching, if you become a fifth grade teacher, i can't tell you you'll likely be a billionaire, but you do have a chance of training some -- educating some young child who
goes on to cure cancer. what could be more satisfying than that. so there are lots of different ways you can contribute and have a good life and respect from your family and like what you see in the mirror. we have got to get more people talking together and that's what a short forum, where it's not so long that they get pulled away from their day jobs, both the government people and the business people. but a chance to meet each other, a chance to meet the other side, a chance to understand each other and have a dialogue, as long as you're talking, you don't fight. and that's the lesson i think of the eu and it's predecessors in europe. we went world war i to world war ii, 20 years without a water. now we have gone seven years without a war. and i don't like a lot of things that are said in the united nations, but if you keep talking you don't fight.
that's not always true, but generally. we have built a dialogue in the world that america has been a very big part of and it would be tragic to throw it away. >> michael bloomberg, thank you very much for joining us. michael bloomberg's global business forum will be held this week in new york city. and what's in a name? if your name is macedonia, there's quite a lot. i'll tell you why the kremlin cares very much whether mass do -- macedonia keeps it's other than name or whether it becomes known as north mass dona. -- macedonia. the a...is stolen.es... we confess. we stole everything we could. from everything we've ever mastered. and put it here. the all-new lexus es. a product of mastery. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.
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now for our what in the world segment. we're in the runup to a pressing national vote and officials are warning darkly of russian interference. i'm not talking about the midterms. i'm talking about an upcoming referendum in the tiny former yugoslav country of macedonia. the country may soon be called the republic of north macedonia. hundreds of websites have popped up urging a boycott and several calls for ballot burning. athens is interested because greece has a region called macedonia and they're concerned that the country of macedonia will make a claim on the greek macedoni
macedonia. and now we come to the main point. those are outcomes rushithat de unacceptable. on monday, u.s. secretary jim mattis visited the macedonian country and said there is no doubt that russia is trying to defeat the referendum. but this is not the first hint of russian interference in the region. look at monte negro. the government has accused russia of attempting to overthrow the government in 2016. russia has denied these charges and called them absurd. but it is undeniable that russia has held international influence in the balkans.
and that includes a russian born businessman, the catholic church and other -- russian news agencies have also a strong presence in balkan media and this region is highly vulnerable to propaganda. a study published this year from the open society institute found that the balkans had the worst level of media literacy of all of europe, with macedonia at the very bottom. so has russia succeeded inbalka? well not really, serve what and montenegro will be the -- why does russia persist with its influence campaign? because it cares less about conquering, as the columnist leonard bernsky points out, it's
rare to be sure footed and concrete aims like defeating hillary clinton. but it is in places like the balkans where russian foreign policy becomes unclear, disrupp shaun. have taken a cool look at the wor world and have decided they have nothing to lose. and women in saudi arabia finally became legally able to drive cars. we'll meet one of the women that fought for that change when we come back. your spirit is unbreakable. your phone, not so much. purchase protection can help you replace small things that get damaged along the way.
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it seems to have been a big year for saudi arabian reforms. in march the country held the first coed concept. in april the first movie theater in a generation opened. in june the kingdom finally allowed women to drive. so is saudi arabia on a new path? one of the strong of the voices is calling for saudi arabian reform. she was jailed years ago for driving in saudi arabia and wrote a book about her experiences called daring to dr drive. someone asked you what is your reaction. you live in sydney, far away from saudi arabia, but you must have watched this last year with great interest. what was your reaction when you heard the crown prince announced the series of reforms he has been announcing whether it's the speeches or the statements or
interview on american television on 60 minutes. what was your reaction? >> i was excited. i was very hopeful that we have a young lead who believes in reforms and not only economic reforms, but we were hoping there will be political reforms and especially the religious establishment or extremist islamists in saudi arabia. the power has been decreased throughout the years since he came to power as a minster of defense in 2015. he's a de facto leader. he is young. he is 32. >> the religious establishment powers have been decreasing ever since he has been in power and he is finally disbanded the famous religious beliefs. they would go around in saudi arabia to every cafe and look at whether women were fully covered and beat them up or take them and arrest them.
all that seems real. >> yes. i felt this heavy weight that had been lifted. there have been stripped away from the power of calling in still arrested. >> did you vend look forward to go back to saudi arabia and drive? >> i promised my son we would drive all the way back to celebrate that day. exact exactly sweeping amongst the women who are to lift the ban. they were all arrested a month before? >> that tells you something.
that tells you that these reforms were not really meant to be towards empowerment. >> what was the reason given? >> i wish i knew. >> what is going on? it feels like the economic reforms are rule and the religious police is real. there has been the lifting of the ban on women. people who have been in conferences who said men and women mingle and bloggers are being arrested. >> clerks and social media. >> make sense of this for us. what is going on? >> freedom on my own terms is what our crown prince is saying. i will set the terms and the
freedoms i give. any outspoken or influential person, i would not allow that to happen. the way the intimidation is happening for the activists or outspoken people. talk to activists. they have been shut down. they remove the pictures from our twitter account. they tells you the extent to intimidate the people. they are calling for reform. >> is that when they arrested you. >> i can't go back to my home country and they were planning for that. this is the first time in my life. i'm 39 years old. this is the first time in my life i can't go back to my home country. >> par would like to go back?
>> of course i would like to go back. >> if someone is listening, we hope they would let you go back and drive. >> it's not about driving really. it's about being free to be who i am. being free and living without fear. >> would you go back and live there if you could? >> definitely. one of the reasons is my second son i can't take in with me. i was planning. the papers i sent to my father and he was going to apply for the visa. the rest, i couldn't. i would take my son with me and be in jail. >> you can't risk that? >> i won't risk that. >> if anyone is listening, let's get her back to saudi arabia so the sons can be reunited. thank you. we will be back. than just inv. from insurance to savings to retirement, it takes someone with experience and knowledge who can help me build a complete plan.
thanks for being part of my program. i will see you next week. >> hello, everyone and thank you very much for joining us. i'm frederiricka whitfield. the anticipated hearing between brett kavanaugh and his accuser is set for thursday morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. kavanaugh and christine blasey ford will both have a chance to tell their sides of the story to the senate judiciary committee in an open hearing. both parties just wrapping up a phone call to hash out more details and still a