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deeply divided. after all the emotion, anger and tear tears, the question still hangs over judge brett kavanaugh. did he do it? >> 100%. >> i never sexually assaulted anyone. >> biggest backer announcing professor ford's bravery. >> i thought her testimony was very compelling. >> without conceding an inch. >> i don't need a backup plan. >> counselor to the president, kellyanne conway, standing by. plus, search for truth. after a day of intense drama -- >> what are you hiding? what is he afraid of? >> democrats finally get the fbi investigation they've been demanding. who might they interview? what might they find? amy klobuchar moments away. culture clash, national
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debate playing out in the halls of congress. >> you're telling me that my assault doesn't matter. >> this is hell. >> how will the passions on both sides impact the midterms five weeks away? hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is searching for answers, both judge kavanaugh and christine blasey-ford say they are utterly convinced they are telling the truth but both cannot be 100% accurate. now the fbi has until the end of the week to investigate current credible allegations. reaching out to witnesses and intends to interview mark judge, who ford says was in the room when kavanaugh allegedly assaulted her. kavanaugh denies that. ford, deborah ramirez and julie swetnick have made allegations. there's no indication that the
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fbi plans to speak to swetnick at this point. the fbi has free rein to investigate. casting the confirmation fight as part of a larger battle. >> a vote for judge kavanaugh is also a vote to reject the ruthless and outrageous tactics of the democrat party, mean obstructionists, mean resistance. for the last 18 months, democrats have spent every minute trying to overturn the results of the last election. >> joining me now is counselor to president trump, kellyanne conway. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you, jake. >> there's a lot of questions about what the fbi has been instructed to look into. the senate has asked them to look into, quote, current credible allegations. that's kind of vague, or at least subjective. the fbi has free rein. what direction has the white house, whether it's white house counsel don mcgann or someone
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else, given the fbi? what are the contours of this investigation? >> as you know, it will be limited in scope. it's meant to last for one week, i believe, beginning last friday. it's not meant to be a fishing expedition. the fbi is not tasked with doing that here. as joe biden pointed out 27 years ago during the clarence thomas hearings and has many people have pointed out in the last couple of weeks, jake, the fbi does not draw conclusions. it provides information. judge kavanaugh has gone through six thorough vets within the span of his public service career, including one completed this last july. that is on the desk of every single senator to review. >> generally they look at actions that a person has taken after they turn 18, though, and these allegations were when he was 17. has the fbi been told don't look into julie swetnick's allegations? we don't find them credible? >> the white house is not getting in the fbi investigation that way. the president very much respects
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the independence of the fbi and said feels, as he said last night, that they should look at anything in this limited scope. >> what does that mean? >> i don't know. >> did don mcgamn say you can interview these witnesses but not these witnesses? >> i don't think he would do that. we're not trying to interfere. the republican senators, including senator flake and others who have said please go forward with this fbi investigation. their incentive may be a little bit different than the democrats on the judiciary committee, who have been screaming and frothing for over a week talking about we immediate an fbi investigation. is one single vote going to be changed? these democrats said -- >> reporter: it's possible actually. >> let's hope so. >> joe manchin. >> he hasn't been on the senate judiciary committee. if only there had been an fbi investigation. here it is. >> at least four senators are up in the air, collins, murkowski,
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heitcampf. so you said that don mcgann has not said interview these witnesses, don't interview these witnesses. is the fbi permitted to look into the testimony judge kavanaugh gave? some democrats think he wasn't honest under oath about the extent of his drinking, other parts of his testimony if the fbi finds that he gave answers under oath that were less than forthcoming, is that part of this? >> we trust the hardworking men and women of the fbi to do their jobs in this case, jake, and they will determine what is -- what can be included within that scope. let me go back to something you said. we'll remind the viewers politely that senators manchin heitkampf and donnelly did vote for gorsuch. that is relevant. if they want to listen to the voters within their own states they will see that the voters do
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want a supreme court justice confirmed sooner rather than later. those who were saying fbi investigation, fbi investigation, that was the most common thing, not cory booker, who talked about me, myself and i, apparently his three favorite people. and now is -- >> i want to take a listen to what the president had to say about christine blasey-ford. >> her testimony was compelling and she looks like a very fine woman. she was a credible witness. >> compelling testimony, fine woman, credible witness. >> not what you expecting, disappointing to many in the minestream media. >> i don't have an opinion one way or the other. >> she also didn't corroborate
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her testimony. people who she said were at the party said they weren't. brett kavanaugh who has said under oath -- >> that's not exactly accurate. kavanaugh has said that under oath -- kavanaugh said it doesn't happen. judge said he never saw kavanaugh act that way and doesn't remember it. the other two, pj smith and leland keyser say they have no memory of it. >> they're not corroborating it. it is the same thing as not being able to corroborate it. >> judge kavanaugh said under oath they denied it, refuted it. they didn't all four deny it. two of them said they have no memory of it. >> which means they can't confirm it, jake. let's not parse words. because they can't remember it also means they haven't confirmed it. >> that's not the same thing. >> i have been first among equals in giving this woman the respect indeference, saying don't ignore her, don't insult her. let's have her be heard.
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the senate republicans on the judicial committee gave her her voice. come to washington to testify. the democrats sat on this information, sat on that letter. they're the ones who made her a household name. they're the ones who caused her in front of the whole world to become a household name and be recognizable now. >> president trump finds her credible. does that mean he finds her believable? >> credible and compelling. judge kavanaugh said something under oath, they both could be rig right, that something truly happened to her in the summer of 1982 and judge kavanaugh with ans not involved. >> it's simply possible that her memory is faulty. it's also possible that his memory is faulty. do you believe that somebody who drinks a lot has never, ever had a memory loss the next day, not even a short one. >> you're asking me a general question about drinking and blacking out.
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>> yes. >> you want me to ascribe it to judge kavanaugh. >> no. >> generally, sure. as goes to judge kavanaugh, he testified under oath he doesn't recall ever blacking out or drinking to excess. you can go back and pull his testimony. that's not what this is about. you know that's not what this is about. excuse me. let's go back to the beginning. we are losing sight of what this is and what this is not. >> about whether or not he committed a crime, right? >> no, it's not whether he committed a crime. that's false. nobody has file aid crime in montgomery county. rachel mitchell, whom the republicans brought in, sex crimes prosecutor from arizona, told the senators -- it's been reporting, by cnn and others i hope -- if this were a court of law, you couldn't prosecute this. no one is being accused of a crime. >> it is relevant whether he's telling the truth. >> it's also not a meeting of the me too movement. we're having a watershed movement. great. i hardly see cnn doing town halls with victims of rape and
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sexual assault and sexual harassment. we plop it and we move on. >> we've done a town hall on sexual assault and sexual harassment. >> that's not what this proceeding is about. >> a classmate from judge kavanaugh at yale. take a listen. >> there had to be a number of nights where he does not remember. in fact, i was witness to the night that he got tapped into that fraternity and he was stumbling drunk in a ridiculous costume saying really dumb things, and i can almost guarantee that there's no way that he remembers that night. >> do you have any concerns of judge kavanaugh, asserting even though he has been a heavy drinker at high school and college at times, his assertion that he has never, ever had any memory loss the next day? do you have any concerns that that's not true? >> i've never gone to college
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with him. i've not been out drinking with him. >> but that woman -- >> that would not be admissible. >> is a republican and she says she doesn't believe him. >> she doesn't believe him. and many people do, including the 100 women who still stand with him, many of whom didn't vote for president trump, who nominated brett kavanaugh, a number of whom are frankly are democrats and have been writing op-eds, giving sworn testimony. why doesn't that matter to anybody? not a single parent whose young daughters judge kavanaugh has coached in basketball has come forward and said i now have second thoughts. we can cherry pick people's comments all day long. i was waiting to come on and interview you this morning, i was looking over the shoulder of one of your researchers who had a very rough tweet up about basically someone trying to recount for dr. ford that they had done together, threatening her on twitter. you'll always find somebody trying to impugn the integrity of kavanaugh or ford.
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that's not what this is about. it's about whether or not this man, with his impeccable judicial is qualified to be on the united states supreme court. what you saw the other day, even though a lot of it was a national disgrace, what you saw the other day was a senate judicial confirmation hearing. it's not a court of law proceeding or a meeting of the me too movement. victims of sexual assault, sexual harassment and rape -- i'm a victim of sexual assault. i don't expect judge kavanaugh or jake tapper or jeff flake or anybody to be held responsible for that. you have to be responsible for your own conduct. this is not bill cosby. those comparisons on your network are disgrace and the anchor should have called them out. this is not even bill clinton. senate judiciary committee members refused to remove bill
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clinton from office after he had oral sex in the oval office. if not one senate member changes their vote because of what they learn from the fbi investigation, that tells you all you need to know about what the president and judge kavanaugh have said is a sham. this is partisan politics. i want those women who were sexually assaulted and confronting jeff flake, god bless them, but go blame the perpetrator. that's who is responsible for the sexual assaults. >> this is the first time i've ever heard you talk about something personal like that and i'm sorry. >> i've just had it. >> a number of people -- >> don't conflate that with this and certainly don't conflate it with what happened to me. don't always bring trump into everything that happens in this universe. that's mistake number one.
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>> president trump said his personal experiences have formed his view of this. that's the only reason i'm bringing that up. he said yes, it informed how i look at it. because i've had so many false allegations against me. as a survivor of this -- again, i'm deeply, personally very sorry about whatever pain you've gone through. >> thank you. >> but does that not make you think when you hear somebody like professor ford or other people make allegations, does that not make you think that these women need to be heard and even if there are not corroborating witnesses, absence of evidence. >> they should all be heard and they should be heard in courts of law and depositions. they should be heard in proceedings. those who can prosecute, those who have civil and/or criminal causes of action should pursue that. but we do treat people differently who are either the victims or perpetrators of this,
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based on their politics and based on their gender. that is a huge mistake. don't make the mistake. you want to have the same kind of conversation that you have with your daughter that you have with your son. what do you think of your daughters? how do you talk to your daughters? how do i talk to my almost 14-year-old son? >> how do you talk to him? >> this is judge kavanaugh now. it could be nip anybody by next week. respectfully it could be any man in any position now. what would be the defense? it was 36 years ago. what would be the defense? there was nobody else to corroborate. i was 17. >> the conversation i'm having with my son -- >> no, that's not the conversation i'm having with my son. if we're going to have a national conversation, stop judging the victims and perpetrators according to their politics, according to their -- do you think i would work -- >> al franken lost his job, harvey weinstein lost his job. >> let's not compare harvey weinstein and bill cosby to
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what's happened here. >> you're saying that society, media or someone is looking at these things through a political lens. >> i think this week was that way. and it shouldn't be that way. >> it hasn't been that way in the last year. i don't disagree with you about what you're saying about clinton and his behavior and -- >> it shouldn't be a footnote. what about those women? >> there was a huge investigation. brett kavanaugh worked on that investigation. and he was very strongly of the opinion that bill clinton needed to answer for what he did. >> do you know what a liberal democratic woman told me this week who supports brett kavanaugh because she worked with him for a long time? she said kellyanne, i'm so -- everybody is so emotionally drain orded or disgusted based the range of emotions. >> or both. >> or both. i feel badly for brett kavanaugh. i think the democrats could have avoided all of this just by coming forward earlier and asking dr. ford and/or judge kavanaugh in those private phone
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calls. this woman got a say because of the republican party and judge kavanaugh is right, they can vote him down, up or down ultimately, jake, sit on the supreme court or not but they're not going to force him to quit. my liberal democratic friends, something i totally agree with and hadn't thought about. she feels so badly for the way she rolled her eyes and treated people like paula jones and juanita roderick. and they were -- >> we are not now where we were then. >> two years ago? >> where we were then. and i interviewed juanita broderick two years ago. we are not, as a society or as a media where we were two years ago. as a fundamental question you have said you found her credible. >> i said i found her compelling and i'm glad she had her voice and i think they could both be right. i think something terrible could
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have happened to her the same summer we were both 15 and that judge kavanaugh was not involved. that is why you have sworn testimony, corroborating evidence, if you can find it. and that's why, i suppose, the fbi will continue to investigate. i'm a big fan of transparency and accountability. i'm happy. although i think it was torturous for both ford and kavanaugh and people should stop using both of them for their own political gains, may i say. i'm happy if they were willing to do that they came forward and testified under oath. the whole thing has to matter. it has to matter who he has been throughout his life. people are afraid they won't be able to defend themselves against 36-year-old allegations. >> as you know and i certainly don't need to tell you, there are also people who are afraid they'll be sexually assaulted. >> people on twitter are saying
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how can she work for donald -- because he's so good to the women who work for him and so good to the women of this country who are much better off with security and prosperity because of his leadership. so, i don't want to hear it. >> preemptive message for the tweeters out there. kellyanne conway, thank you. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> it was a jaw-dropping moment. questioning amy klobuchar about her drinking habits. >> you're asking about blackout. i don't know. have you? >> could you answer the question, judge? >> an exclusive with senator amy klobuchar minutes away. to find a place that could bring his son's creation to life. there were 14 emails to determine the size of the lightning bolts. and 18 texts wishing luke a very happy birthday. and when all was said and done, luke got to be a real-life superhero. and so did his dad.
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tears, judge kavanaugh later apologized to senator klobuchar for that interaction, but some have questioned his temperament for the supreme court. senator, thank you for joining us. >> thanks, jake. >> he apologized for asking you that question. do you agree with your colleagues that the his tone and tenor in that exchange questioned his temperament? >> i was stunned about how he acted at that hearing. this is basically a job interview for the highest court of the land. all i was trying to get at are some of the issues you were discussing with kellyanne conway. and that is that everyone has said that they respected dr. ford for coming forward, that her testimony was compelling and credible. both accounts can't be true. and so one idea here is that he simply was drinking more than he
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was saying over this time period and that he didn't remember what happened. so i was simply trying to get at that and really couching it in the fact that i had alcoholism in my own family. my dad who is 90 now struggled with it throughout his life and finally got treatment and is sober and got help from aa. so i was actually trying to get at the truth. and so that's why i was stunned by how he answered it. but, of course, he later apologized. >> do you think that he was telling the truth when he said that he has never had any memory loss after a night of drinking? >> it doesn't quite make sense to me. first of all, you have these other people from parts of his life who have said that he was belligerent when he was drunk and other things. now, they have not been interviewed by the fbi. and so that was my hope. when he apologized i said look, i just want to see an fbi investigation here. we know that she passed a polygraph test, which while not
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admissible in regular court, is used all the time for fbi, for cia, for defense department. and she passed it with flying colors. so these are the things that the fbi could look at if they evaluated the credibility of the witnesses. >> kellyanne conway said the fbi can investigate whatever they want to investigate. are you confident that the fbi will be able to explore everything they want to, including if they are interested, the julie swetnick allegations, including whether or not he was honest to the senate judiciary committee about his drinking? >> well, based on some of the reports we've seen this weekend i'm very concerned about this because the white house should not be allowed to micromanage an fbi investigation. >> she says they're not. kellyanne said they're not. >> i know and there was one thing she did say and that was that the hardworking men and women of the fbi should be able to do their jobs. on that, i agree.
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but what we are hearing are reports is that they're somehow trying to limit this to a few witnesses or tell them what they should do. and while the white house decides who to nominate and that person is submit to a background check, i never heard the white house, either under this president or other presidents, have said you can't interview this person or look at this time period. you could only look at these people from this one side of the street when they were growing up. that's why we have to allow them to -- go ahead. >> beyond the reports, do you know of evidence that that's the case? kellyanne conway said that's not the case, that she doesn't think that the white house is telling the fbi don't look into this, don't look into that. don't interview these witnesses. >> exactly. i'm basing this on reports and i'm listening to her interview, which was interesting when she said at the end that victims of sexual assault should be able to come forward and have their
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stories and their claims investigated. and so many people, including senator grassley, the chairman, during the hearing said they respected dr. ford and talked about how brave she was. what i said at the hearing was if you truly respect her, then you can't just say it. you have to follow up on the evidence. she actually said that she ran into mark judge, the other person she said was in the room, at a safeway but she doesn't know the time period that he worked there and that was one thing that she specifically asked be followed up on. she said he was so uncomfortable when she saw him. he is, of course, a key witness and has not been interviewed by the fbi but, according to reports, they plan to interview hichlt i just want to see this be conducted in a fair and independent way, which senator flake has asked for. the people who have real leverage on this thing are the three republican senators who are still undecided.
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they have to make sure this is a credible investigation from beginning to end. >> you used to be a prosecutor, as you know. as of now, with the evidence that we have, which is no corroborating evidence, no one being able to back up the story at the party. no idea of when and where this happened. we know that the prosecutor republicans brought in, ms. mitchell, has said she would not have enough to take this case to even get a search warrant. do you disagree with that assessment? >> first of all i want to make clear, this is not a criminal trial. kellyanne and i agree on that. this was a job interview. so many of us have already decided because of this
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nominee's expansive view of presidential power that he doesn't belong on this court to be hand picked by a president who has continually undermined the fbi, said he wants to fire everyone from the attorney general to the deputy attorney general. we have issued with putting someone on the bench with those views. the dignity of the senate that we get to the bottom of the facts. i've not looked at the evidence in that way because i haven't been able to interview the witnesses that are there. but what i did find was that she seemed very compelling. she answered the questions with great and dignity and all we want to do -- this is why senator flake made what i consider a courageous move in standing up and saying i can't stomach this anymore. this is beneath the dignity of this country. this is dividing the country. let's at least have an impartial fact finder and they better be
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impartial. and i believe they can be. the fbi, follow the evidence. >> senator you and the other democrats on the judiciary committee signed a letter to president trump describing julie swetnick's allegations. there were not a lot of questions asked about her allegations in the hearing. do you think her allegations that kavanaugh was involved in faciliat a timing getting women so drunk that they could then be gang raped? do you think those are credible? >> i don't know. i haven't met her. i think she needs to be interviewed by the fbi. i do believe in due process. she did sign an affidavit and it needs to be looked into. that is all i'll say because we are not a detective agency in the u.s. senate. that's why i repeatedly made the case. even in the anita hill hearing, george h.w. bush reopened the
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background check investigation to look at those allegations. and numerous times, even in the last few months with nominees, those back checks have been opened. that's why we made that strong case to our colleagues on the other side of the aisle. the issue is not when did evidence come out. it's what do you do when it comes out? the justice system is always messy. when you have power, what do you do with that power? it was a good moment when we got that reopened. now it will be on him to make sure this is a credible investigation. >> you're not certifies anything one way or another about julie swetnick's claims. i want to ask you one other question. you said you find it hard to believe, i'm paraphrasing, that kavanaugh has not had any memory loss from drinking. terms he listed in his yearbook,
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which gets to state of mind, he insisted there were more innocent explanations. do you believe that? >> i don't know what those terms meant at the time but there is evidence that they meant other things that were much different than what he said. and i think the way you get to the bottom of it, honestly, is ask other people, his friends at the time with the fbi under oath what those terms meant then you're able to much better assess his credibility. >> there are a lot of suspicions against him about whether or not he ever had memory loss, about whether or not he's not telling
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the truth or becoming completely forthcoming about what his yearbook jokes meant. it doesn't seem to me that any of that necessarily, especially when it comes to the memory loss, it be proven. and if you can't prove he's not telling the truth, is that enough -- even though you opposed him on policy, is that enough that his nomination be withdrawn, based on suspicion? >> again, i don't want to engage in hypotheticals here. in the end it will be the decision of senator flake and senator collins and senator murkowski. senator manchin. some of the senators that are still undecided.
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his views of executive power, his views for senator murkowski on native american rights. >> right. >> his views on what happened here and was he telling the truth or not? and just for the country, a number of us said, whether we supported him or not, at least give them those facts as they make a decision on who they want to serve on the highest court of the land. >> senator amy klobuchar of minnesota, thank you very much for joining us today. appreciate it. >> thank you, jake. great to be on. turn the other cheek or hit them where it hurts? one angry christian conservative said his party needs to stop electing nice guys. come up next. ♪ i don't care where we go ♪ and i don't care what we do ♪ just take me with you
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i asked if you drank in high school and you said i like beer, ten times. that leads me to the next question, did you ever drink too many beers? >> you mean was i cool? yeah. >> matt damon as brett kavanaugh. rachel dratch as senator amy klobuchar. governor, what if this happens? the fbi report comes back, it's basically all the same things we
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know now except the investigations have been done by the fbi. what then? >> well, i hope he's voted down then. i mean, i think -- as you know, i was not in favor of him to begin with, for a variety of reasons, but i do think that this is a moment that was really a watershed for people who have not been heard. when flake -- when senator flake was in that elevator and maria -- anna maria and maria gallagher said, look at me. are you telling me that my experience doesn't matter? women have felt that way for so long. and these two spoke for so many that the ability to have an investigation -- this is before -- of course, we knew that the investigation was going to happen, i cannot tell you the palpable pain that existed among
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people who felt like plowing over, plowing through women. we had the most credible witness we could possibly have and it wasn't going to be good enough. >> let's show that sound because you were referring to it and senator flad sake said it affec him. it was after he said he would vote for kavanaugh but before he pushed for the compromise leading to the fbi investigation. >> look at me when i'm talking to you. you're tell meeg that my assault doesn't matter, that what happened to me doesn't matter and that you're going to let people who do these things into power. that's what you're telling me when you vote for him. don't look away from me. look at me and tell me that it doesn't matter what happened to me. >> heart rending. i know you want a speedy confirmation process and you support judge kavanaugh. could it not be argued that ultimately this is actually the function of the senate to cool things down, to take its time
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and that president trump has said maybe this is a blessing in disguise to at least let people know that the fbi has looked into these charges? >> i think, as you said, it's very likely, i think, in my case, that the fbi will interview the same people that the senate judiciary committee has interviewed. >> they haven't interviewed swrunlg or -- they only interviewed -- >> right but the fbi, if those people want to submit statements to the fbi, they have no power to subpoena them any more than the senate judiciary committee has done. what i predict is at the end of the day we'll see the information we have. we'll have two very compelling stories and no actual contemporaneous corroboration of them. i think we're seeing some democrats preparing the ground after saying for two weeks the fbi is the gold standard. you have senator schumer saying the fbi isn't biased, it's unprofessional. they can do that soberly,
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discreetly and four days a delay should be enough. now they're starting to say wait a minute, we think they're not going to be doing this completely. let's not buy into the fbi is only for delay here. i think it will be good fo have everyone -- a lot of senators said we're still not quite settled until we hear from the fbi about it. we'll hear from these witnesses and they're starting to come out with repeated testimony, l echlleland keyser who said i support her but still don't remember this. people may have more confidence because they saw the fbi involved and then moving forward to a vote. >> so moving forward to a vote, tens of millions of americans will look at this process. i have to wonder what chief justice john roberts thinks about this as well. tens of millions of americans will look at justice kavanaugh as somebody who got away with
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it. >> as they did clarence thomas. this process was so badly bungled, by both sides. you know, the minute these allegations came out, i said get the fbi out again and do an investigation. that should have been done actually before the hearing. i think it's unfortunate that it happened here. that is what's normally done. i went through -- not executions of sexual assault, obviously, but accusations against me when i was up for secretary of labor. and by the time i got off the telephone and drove home, the fbi was practically on my doorstep waiting to reinterview me and other people. had this process taken the right form, had it not been politicized, i think we would have a lot more confidence. and it isn't just not coming up with corroborating evidence. i want questions asked of dr. ford as well. we can't live in a society in which accusations of this kind of activity are enough to
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ruin -- >> give me one question you want to ask her. >> she has a clear recollection of going down the stairs and going outside. this is a woman who didn't drive. somebody drove her home. we didn't have cell phones. we didn't have ubers. there are other people who need to be questioned. and i can remember as a 15-year-old who used to drive me. not to every single event but there were just a handful of people who drove when i went to parties and my father. and so, i mean, i do think more questions -- this idea that we have to believe dr. ford just because she testified about what happened in that room, obviously one of these people does have -- one of these people does have a facultiy memory. >> senator turner, it has, in many ways -- one level it's about kavanaugh and professor ford. on another level i went to a party last night and heard women telling these stories about their experience and we heard
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kellyanne conway. >> and i did a few days ago. >> right, on my show. a remarkable moment i was not expecting just minutes ago. >> i feel very empathetic, frankly, for victims of sexual assault and sexual harassment and rape. that -- i'm a victim of sexual assault. i don't expect judge kavanaugh or jake tapper or jeff flake or anybody to be held responsible for that. you have to be responsible for your own conduct. >> what was your reaction when you heard that? >> the assault part, you know, touched -- this whole situation has triggered lots of emotions and people are bubbling up. just a malstrom of emotion. i'm not sure what she meant about people need to be responsible for their own actions. in a lot of ways victims of sexual assault and rape, you can't say that that person is
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responsible for that happening. i'm not saying that's what she was trying to say but right after that -- and being able to reveal that just like that, she probably wasn't planning to reveal that and immediately went to the next. i do agree with the governor, this is a watershed moment for this country. and i hope more good can come from this. kellyanne brought up great points about what happened. some vics a some victims are listened to and some are not. we have to stop that in this debris. especially if you're poor or of color. in my hometown of cleveland you have poor, black women, some drug addicted, kept in this man's house, even when they went to the police they didn't believe them. why in because of their status in this country. we have work to do beyond what's happening in this kavanaugh hearing. >> and i think she meant the perpetrator is responsible for their behavior and other men
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aren't. >> and thnot to put that -- >> and not to put that on everyone else. it seems they're both credible and they both believe what they believe. it's possible dr. ford remembers wrong. it's also possible that brett kavanaugh remembers wrong. do you find it credible that he has no memory blackout? he sometimes drinks to excess. >> he said that under oath. we have people who knew him from the time, dozens of people who say that they find him credible, that this is -- that allegations don't line up at all with what they're saying as well as everyone she places at the scene doesn't remember it. some of them also say, you know, her friend says i don't think i even knew him. other people say this sounds nothing like brett kavanaugh. we have a lot of corroborating testimony. he said it under oath.
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